You must be kidding: Obama says residual troop levels in Iraq are “entirely conditions-based”
posted at 7:32 pm on July 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I wrote about this a few days ago when he ducked Katie Couric’s question by torturing the distinction between tactics and strategy. According to The One, the president sets the strategy: Most troops out in 16 months but some left behind for various missions. The generals supply the tactics: To carry out those missions responsibly, we need X number of troops. What does X equal? Why, it’s … “entirely conditions-based”:
In Iraq, it’s not new that Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has wanted to take control of his own country. But there’s always been this gap between his assessment of his abilities and American commanders’ saying he’s not up to it. As president, faced with that difference between what he says he can do and what the commanders say he can do, how would you choose between them?
Iraq is a sovereign country. Not just according to me, but according to George Bush and John McCain. So ultimately our presence there is at their invitation, and their policy decisions have to be taken into account. I also think that Maliki recognizes that they’re going to need our help for some time to come, as our commanders insist, but that the help is of the sort that is consistent with the kind of phased withdrawal that I have promoted. We’re going to have to provide them with logistical support, intelligence support. We’re going to have to have a very capable counterterrorism strike force. We’re going to have to continue to train their Army and police to make them more effective.
You’ve been talking about those limited missions for a long time. Having gone there and talked to both diplomatic and military folks, do you have a clearer idea of how big a force you’d need to leave behind to fulfill all those functions?
I do think that’s entirely conditions-based. It’s hard to anticipate where we may be six months from now, or a year from now, or a year and a half from now.
Team McCain points to Bob Novak’s column this week citing unnamed Obama advisors as saying this could mean leaving as many as 50,000 troops in place. According to a recent essay by Colin Kahl, who runs Obama’s working group on Iraq, in the “near term” they might keep as many as 12 brigades there for “overwatch,” i.e. support, duties.
If Obama’s top priority really is withdrawal, his Iraq policy should begin by setting the number of troops he’s comfortable leaving in the field and then asking for recommendations on which missions are feasible given that number. The fact that he’s going about it the other way, starting with the missions and then building any drawdown around them, is a decidedly McCain-esque (i.e. conditions-based, i.e. responsible) approach. He tweaked McCain this morning for having lately come around to so many of his own positions, but in light of this, he and Maverick are almost mirror images on Iraq now: McCain thinks troop levels should depend on conditions but concedes that 16 months is a “pretty good timetable” whereas Obama thinks 16 months is a pretty good timetable but concedes that, er, troop levels should depend on conditions. Nuance. Predictably, the McCain camp is crowing about it. Here’s their statement, hot off the presses:
“Today Barack Obama finally abandoned his dangerous insistence on an unconditional withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by making clear that for the foreseeable future, troop levels in Iraq will be ‘entirely conditions based.’ We welcome this latest shift in Senator Obama’s position, but it is obvious that it was only a lack of experience and judgment that kept him from arriving at this position sooner.
“John McCain has always held the position that any withdrawal from Iraq must be based on conditions on the ground. With the incredible success of the surge, which John McCain advocated, it is increasingly likely that U.S. troops will be able to withdraw with victory in hand. John McCain had long urged Barack Obama, who opposed the surge, to return to Iraq in order to see the immense changes in the security situation there since his last visit. Now that Obama has finally met with General Petraeus, it appears that he has also come to the conclusion that troop levels in Iraq must be based on the conditions on the ground.”
The key remaining conceptual difference between them is, of course, the type of missions they have in mind for residual troops. McCain surely imagines something more ambitious, Obama something more limited and support-oriented. Watch for the debate to shift to that subject next, especially in light of the big AP story this afternoon talking about troops in the field already shifting to peacekeeper roles (which they’ve had for awhile in some parts of Iraq) and reconstruction support. Are U.S. peacekeepers out of the question for President Obama? We’ll see.
Update: Per the last paragraph and the evolving scope of the mission, a reader notes that Obama’s residual force would theoretically contain no combat troops. Big difference with McCain, to be sure, but again — read the AP story. There’s not much combat going on in Iraq anymore that would require combat troops anyway. The issue now is peacekeepers, troops who are going to walk the beat, see sporadic action, and reassure Iraqis that there’s a strong security presence available to deal with contingencies while the IA gets up to speed. How about it, BO?
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Um, isn’t this Bush’s plan?
PattyJ on July 26, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Why do I feel like the two candidates are blending their stances into one another like a shuffling deck of cards? McBama.
Ferris on July 26, 2008 at 7:36 PM
The democrats are perfectly willing to win/finish the war (with the possible exception of H.Reid) as long as they can take credit for it. And I don’t think Bush cares too much as long as it gets done. Consistency vs. Charisma.
Spirit of 1776 on July 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Another day another “bend” in the Obamuh doctrine.
SouthernGent on July 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM
And the new Prophet, Barack HUSSEN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW), blesses us with HIS MAGNIFICENCE, once again.
HE has spoken, and Lo and Behold, it hasth cometh to be!
Hallelujah……Hosannah……Exaltations….AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Dale in Atlanta on July 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM
I`m surprised he didn`t use his standard “as I`ve said from the beginning” line this time.
ThePrez on July 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Bush stole it from Obama.
aero on July 26, 2008 at 7:40 PM
another flipflop for Obomber. what number is this?
becki51758 on July 26, 2008 at 7:42 PM
uh, like… uh …. cant we just …. like …..Leave…totally dude? hey where is my bong? oh there it is
UncleZeb on July 26, 2008 at 7:45 PM
At the end of the day, it won’t matter that the MSM never called him out on these things because I believe the public can see right through the propaganda and will reject Barack Obama.
Greenhorn on July 26, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Since Iran is going to dismantle its nuclear program and destroy the centrifuges, Obama won’t need any US troops/bases in Iraq. Right?
JiangxiDad on July 26, 2008 at 7:47 PM
I thought his initial idea was to put everyone in a plane or on wheels and run for the border. Everyone
Beto Ochoa on July 26, 2008 at 7:47 PM
This is why I read this blog and evangelize it to others. To use HA vocab, Good Lord.
Vizzini on July 26, 2008 at 7:49 PM
I’m getting dizzzzzzzzzzy….
jerrytbg on July 26, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Stop Swiftboating Obama!!
JohnJ on July 26, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Regardless of how this reflects on Obama, this is good news. I’m starting to think Iraq is going to work out no matter who wins this election, and that is good thing for America.
Dudley Smith on July 26, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Have you ever drank and entire bottle of wine and typed “hot.com” by mistake? I’m washing my eyeballs and piercing my eardrums.
Hening on July 26, 2008 at 7:52 PM
#9 in the Oscar Winning & popularly acclaimed Series: This is Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW) Brain:
This is Obama’s Brain: Bis’mallah Ar Rahman Ar Raheem….Mohammed Rasul’ullah.
This is Obama’s Brain on Drugs: Ah..er..um..As I said from the beginning…ah we’ll withdraw all the troops…ah…er..right away….um…wait….ahhhhhhhh….because…er….conditions…..on the ground…..hmmmm…we’ll leave a few there…..the Iraqis……hm..er…ah…hmmm…what does John Mccain say about this again…uh…because that..sounds like a good plan….uh huh…hmmmmm…yeah….because….they’ll be closer here home in the US when I want to gaff them off….yeah…ah…um…ah….that’s it….yeah….
Brought to you by the Anti-Taqiyah Defamation League
Dale in Atlanta on July 26, 2008 at 7:53 PM
For all those people who think that Obama and McCain are getting too similiar, remember that actions speak louder than words.
McCain voted for Roberts and Alito; Obama voted against Roberts and Alito. Even if they were exactly the same everwyhere else, McCain’s judges will be better than Obama’s.
JohnJ on July 26, 2008 at 7:55 PM
that’s the one factor that scares me the most!
jerrytbg on July 26, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Absurd. Iraq is a conquered country, just as Japan was at the end of WWII. The US should set the rules, and if Maliki, et al don’t like them the US administration should replace him or them with someone more pliable. The result would be a new ‘Japan’ within a decade – peaceful, productive, and a major thorn in the side of Iran, which would be all to the good for US citizens — who are the only ones the US administration should be considering.
JDPerren on July 26, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Obama to McCain: I don’t want it, you can have it.
McCain: No, go ahead. You first.
Obama: No, please. Here.
McCain: Umm, go on, take it.
We all say you have to be a bit odd to want to be President in these times. War, nuclear proliferation, economic problems, gas costs, housing shortages, credit crunch….
Maybe they’ve just figured this out.
SteveMG on July 26, 2008 at 7:59 PM
There’s still one critical difference. In one case, we’d have a CinC who understands the military, understands tactics, and would make decisions based on the best interests of the United States.
In the other case, we’d have a self-serving, indecisive, antimilitary, none-too-bright leader who seems never to have made a rational decision in his life.
That’s difference enough for me.
MrScribbler on July 26, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Using a search function other than Google, go study David Axelrod to understand the shifting sands of Obamaspeak.
All of this is planned, down to the last confusing nuance. The only unplanned portions of this confusion occur when The One goes off teleprompter and is caught without an Axelrodder at his elbow.
eaglesdontflock on July 26, 2008 at 8:07 PM
It’s like the way ‘without preconditions’ morphed into ‘tough diplomacy’.
This is maybe a ‘tough timetable’.
MayBee on July 26, 2008 at 8:09 PM
You can use Google if you want, but they are in the tank for Obama and are not above skewing the search and tracking your curiosity for the benefit of their candidate.
eaglesdontflock on July 26, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Strategery works in mysterious ways.
fogw on July 26, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Obama is bending like Uri Geller spoons.
carbon_footprint on July 26, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Is this what he means by his position hardening?
Weight of Glory on July 26, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Suggestion?
baldilocks on July 26, 2008 at 8:23 PM
I’m not so sure just how much of a “gotcha” this is as although Obama has been pretty firm on the 16 months for withdrawing most American troops he has been vague on the number to remain after 16 months and for how long.
MB4 on July 26, 2008 at 8:25 PM
How about 50,000 troops for 100 years :-P
bnelson44 on July 26, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Not really.
MB4 on July 26, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Seriously, earlier this year, Obama was talking about just enough troops to protect our embassy. Now he is talking about a lot more troops than that.
bnelson44 on July 26, 2008 at 8:29 PM
And so now it comes full circle. I knew it was coming when Obama asked that reporter if he could finish his waffle. I just didn’t think it would take this long for him to do so.
crosspatch on July 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Only if the troops get to drink beer and shoot korans.
MB4 on July 26, 2008 at 8:30 PM
I didn’t know anyone truly evaluated Obama on policy anymore. To one camp, he’s the messiah. To the other, he’s a vile, narcissistic opportunist totally without scruples or necessary abilities to be President. As such, I find your comment odd.
JiangxiDad on July 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Uh, I don’t like Obama either but… dude, you’re making Atlanta look even worse. And considering the Braves and Ted Turner come from Atlanta, that’s saying something.
fiatboomer on July 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM
If McCain’s and Obama’s positions seem to be blending perhaps each should make the other their Vice-Presidential choice thus guaranteeing no matter what happens that one will be President and the other Vice-President.
MaiDee on July 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Obama is trying to maneuver on McCain’s weak right flank now. He knows if he can strip this ball out of McCain’s hands, he’s got the election wrapped. So, he isn’t too worried about the nutroots after all…they will howl, as moonbats do, but Obama doesn’t need them anymore.
AUINSC on July 26, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Ex-insurgents Want More Money, or Else
Diyala Province? The dude is bluffing. Where’s he gonna find Al Qaeda? It is essentially crushed in all other provinces and Diyala is the next, and therefore last, Al Qaeda stronghold in Iraq. AND it’s due for an offensive from the Iraqi Army come August 1st.
Surely, the Agence France-Presse knows this. But with victory a foregone conclusion, the hard-left will hold onto the belief (dare I say hope) that defeat can be snatched from the jaws of victory by a mass desertion of the Awakenings back to AQ. Won’t happen. There is no AQ to go back to.
Also, a potential act of betrayal by a Col Satar? Nice ironic touch AFP.
ganeshpuri89 on July 26, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Absolutely. There’s some revisionist history going on with some of his supporters. Or at least an attempt.
In an major address late last year (at the Woodrow Wilson Center), he made the exact same point. We needed to withdraw as many troops as we could – since the presence of the troops was the main cause of the strife – and only have enough troops to protect our embassy and also some residual force that we could project if AQ popped its head up.
This is a complete about face by Obama.
SteveMG on July 26, 2008 at 8:34 PM
fiatboomer on July 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Ah…..yeah! Ouch! Really hurts, that one……
Ah….yeah!
Dale in Atlanta on July 26, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I knew when people started saying that McCain has praised Obama’s plan {which was of course bs} that it was only a matter of time before we heard people saying Obama does something of the kind as well. The truth is for all the Democrats’ bravado they know that a defeat or disaster in Iraq will have long term consequences. It was easy to ignore all that so long as they could just blame Bush. But it ain’t that simple anymore.
Terrye on July 26, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Merry Xmas, War Is Over.
CK MacLeod on July 26, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Have you seen any of this series?
Taqiyah or Islamic Subterfuge Part 31
TheBigOldDog on July 26, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Steve:
Yes, Obama said that. But I heard McCain saying months ago that Obama was not being honest about the size of his strike force or residual force. So it could be that he expected something like this. Like Bill Clinton said, Obama’s Iraq policy is a fairy tale.
Terrye on July 26, 2008 at 8:37 PM
What X means,is not what the Lefty MSM desires,
or what Liberals would want to happen,but what
ever the Military needs,in the way of man power,
er soldiers,a la “Boots on the Ground”!
And, not what they can get by on,but the actual
number, that brings the number of troops to carry
out a successful mission,and according to the
mission’s parameters,or stated goals!:)
canopfor on July 26, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Bingo.
When Obama said that preventing genocide in Iraq wasn’t sufficient reason to stay he was making a candidate’s statement. Now as he approaches the Presidency, the real consequences of what he argued is crystal clear.
Only bigots would let the Iraqis be slaughtered. But some people think all Muslims are evil and don’t really care.
Actually, they welcome it.
But Obama knows that he, as President, can’t let that happen.
And so he has to embrace a careful and judicious removal of our troops. Something far different than he was promoting late last year.
SteveMG on July 26, 2008 at 8:39 PM
January 15, 2008 at the democrat debate held on that day -
I have been very specific in saying that we will not have permanent bases there. I will end the war as we understand it in combat missions. But that we are going to have to protect our embassy. We’re going to have to protect our civilians. We’re engaged in humanitarian activity there. We are going to have to have some presence that allows us to strike if Al Qaeda is creating bases inside of Iraq. And so I cannot guarantee that we’re not going to have a strategic interest that I have to carry out as commander-in-chief to maintain some troop presence there, but it is not going to be engaged in war and it will not be this sort of permanent bases and permanent military occupation that George Bush seems to be intent on continuing.
- Barak Obama
MB4 on July 26, 2008 at 8:40 PM
There you go again.
- Ronald Reagan
MB4 on July 26, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Have you seen any of this series?
Taqiyah or Islamic Subterfuge Part 31
TheBigOldDog on July 26, 2008 at 8:36 PM
No, but I’ll check it out now, thanks!
Dale in Atlanta on July 26, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I ring the bell and the dog salivates.
SteveMG on July 26, 2008 at 8:46 PM
By Nov. Obama will say “my vote against the war was inartful”.
Entelechy on July 26, 2008 at 8:46 PM
How can you set a date but it be condition based?
- The Cat
MirCat on July 26, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Beat me to it. As soon as I read the piece I realized that Obama has effectively neutered McCain on the one issue that McCain is strong on, and that “the sheeple” care about. Judges don’t matter to the average Joe.
OldEnglish on July 26, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Pencil it in?
bnelson44 on July 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM
There’s the line that sticks. ‘intent on continuing’. As if the entire thing was a permanent military occupation of Iraq from the beginning…but nothing Bush has said or done indicated that. Bush has always said America would be there as long as necessary and NO LONGER. Obama has just endorsed the Bush doctrine…in a very slippery way, as usual.
AUINSC on July 26, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Vacuous.
Salivate over this.
How many American Soldiers and American Marines do you want in Somalia, Zimbabwe and the Sudan and for how long and how many dead and how many wounded American Soldiers and American Marines would not be too many?
Or do you hate black people and want them dead?
MB4 on July 26, 2008 at 8:52 PM
A discussion over at the Muslim Society of America, on the giving of “Seasonal Gifts“!
Now where have I heard that term before…..???
Hmmmmmmmm……………..
I don’t know what is worse, Willful ignorance or Stupidity??
Dale in Atlanta on July 26, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Obama, in a major address, at the Woodrow Wilson Center, August 2007:
Note: Nothing about linking the withdrawal to conditions on the ground. Nothing about consulting with the military commanders. Nothing about consulting with our allies.
Ending the war would be his first priority. And he believed that we could “end” the war by pulling out troops out.
The cause of the war wasn’t AQ. No. The cause of the war wasn’t radical Shi’a or the former Baathist/Sunni elements that ran the country. No.
The cause of the war was the presence of US troops.
Well, if that’s the cause, why not pull them out now?
Nothing about this “conditions” stuff.
SteveMG on July 26, 2008 at 8:56 PM
As we learn, it’s smart not to dignify the comments by cranks and loons.
Wished I learned that earlier.
Oh well, I know now.
SteveMG on July 26, 2008 at 8:57 PM
With your hysterical chicken little routine you sound like Al Gore with his Apocalyptic Global Warming.
Same show just under a different tent.
BTW, Maliki, the sovereign head of state of Iraq, does not seem to share your views. But what does he know? You should probably stick with Al Gore’s method I suppose as it sure seems like a good fit for you.
MB4 on July 26, 2008 at 8:58 PM
That’s true. Major John can correct me if I am wrong but I think what is happening in most places are MiTT teams with combat troops being used for force protection. That is what Obama is talking about. I don’t think he even mentions air and navy support except for logistics (sorry guys, your just not on his radar). So basically, he looked at Iraq, saw what we were doing and found a way to explain it in terms that might appease his base.
bnelson44 on July 26, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Of course, now that we have stayed in Iraq and not left as Obama and others wanted, we’ve been able to stabilize the country. We’ve built up the security forces to enable them to prevent sectarian strife and to be able to drive AQ out of the nation.
The chances of genocide or large scale civilian deaths has diminished. But it hasn’t disappeared. This is, of course, why Obama now says that “conditions on the ground” will guide his policy on removing our troops.
But two years ago – when Obama was arguing for abandoning Iraq – the Iraq Survey Group made the following argument:
Thanks to President Bush and people like McCain, that didn’t happen.
Some may have wished that it would happen since they want Muslim to kill Muslim.
But that’s a sick view to hold.
SteveMG on July 26, 2008 at 9:08 PM
And it is here that I say, as we also say on the basketball court, “You got no game.”
None whatsoever.
No facts, no logic, no reasoning, no coherence, no substance.
Nothing.
SteveMG on July 26, 2008 at 9:10 PM
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eaglesdontflock on July 26, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Well, we know that one of the conditions Obama won’t use US troops in Iraq for is preventing genocide:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19862711/
gumble on July 26, 2008 at 9:14 PM
According to my tally, that’s flip-flop #20.
jgapinoy on July 26, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Excellent list, jgapinoy.
wise_man on July 26, 2008 at 9:25 PM
he just threw the entire nutroots under the bus… damn he must have a big bus.
Diogenes of Sinope on July 26, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Obama doesn’t throw people, groups, issues, ideas, or objects under his bus. He simply reveals that they were always already there.
CK MacLeod on July 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Wow, he’s not even president yet and he’s not only essentially enacted his first policy but also declared it “Mission Accomplished”.
Dusty on July 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Thank you, wise_man.
jgapinoy on July 26, 2008 at 9:35 PM
By the way.
We will probably be at 12 combat brigades by the end of the year. The decision point is September for the reduction from 15 to 12 this fall. They simply do not send all the currently alerted brigades this fall.
March will be the decision point for 12 down to 10.
March and September are the natural decision points for reductions. And the plan Petraus briefed last September is 20 to 15 to 12 to 10 to 7 to 4 to advisors and trainers.
Barring anything going wrong and delaying this equates to:
End-2008: 12
July09: 10
end-2009: 7
July10: 4 (I expect this to hold for air base security)
End-2010: Theoretically Advisors, air and trainers.
Notice that this fits with the Iraqi MoD projection of 2010/11 for Iraqi take over and 2018-20 for air…
All of this was briefed to last September. If the conditions warrant a hold at any of these decision points, they hold.
DJ Elliott on July 26, 2008 at 9:49 PM
For those who don’t know this already, DJ is an expert in this field.
From what I can tell, and someone correct me if I am wrong, what DJ is painting would fit, barring any “holds”, into Obama’s 16month window.
bnelson44 on July 26, 2008 at 10:01 PM
For those who don’t know, DJ IS an expert, and we’ve known each other for 20 years, and if he says it, believe it!
Dale in Atlanta on July 26, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I just said at 9:16 that my tally of BO flip-flops has 20 listed.
For those keeping track, now that I’ve read something in the Headlines section, it’s 21.
jgapinoy on July 26, 2008 at 10:34 PM
The media always complains and says that they didn’t ask tough questions about President Bush about the war…
I’m asking them, will they be saying the same thing IF Obama gets elected, “Why didn’t we ask him tough questions before he got elected?” OR “If he gets elected, will anyone ever ask him ANY tough questions, or IF they do will thouse reporters be called racists.. ?”
Chakra Hammer on July 26, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Perfect, now bring on the debates. The MSM has enough twists to hang BO out to dry, and although no one here wants to beleive they will, it’s going to happen. It’s all about ratings.
The “Deer in Headlights” is on deck.
swami on July 26, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Tell that to the NYT…ideological purity is blind to money and shareholder value.
AUINSC on July 26, 2008 at 11:11 PM
If the plan is the end of 2010, that explains what the Iraqi Foreign Minister was referring to when he said Dec 31st,2010.
Terrye on July 26, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Put most simply, tactics implement strategic goals. A policy maker doesn’t set troop levels as if that itself is a strategic goal. A responsible policy maker determines the strategic goal, and sets troop levels as a tactic to achieve that goal.
Obama’s a dilettante.
flipflop on July 27, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Trust me on this or not, you don’t add any dignity or anything else to anyone’s comments, especially your own.
MB4 on July 27, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Obama jumped the shark during his “Rock the German Vote” concert tour. I have never seen a candidate LOSE poll numbers by being on TV. As a former commander of mine loved to say, “visibility works both ways.” By November he’s going to be a parody of himself and routinely ridiculed.
Mojave Mark on July 27, 2008 at 1:18 AM
I have a startling confession to make…
I HATE to “win”.
I wish the United States would just lose this war.
I can’t stand it when the United States “wins” something; I wish we could just exit Iraq in disgrace, with our tail between out legs, with a Military shattered and disgraced beyond all repair, and thus enter a period of self-loathing, self-hate, disrespect for country, President, Institutions, etc., and began a period of sucking up to Dictators, crushing Free Speech, imposing PC’ness, High Taxes, High Unemployment, no economic growth, Stagflation, etc., etc….
Wouldn’t that just be fun?
Oh, I’m sorry, that’s what Obama (PBUH)(SAW)(SWT) and the Democrats already WANT!
I just put down my Bong, smacked myself in between the eyes with a ballpeen hammer for 20 min; watched a Testtube pattern on the TV for 22 straight hours, dropped on the floor and did the Curly spin-in-a-circle-on-my-left-shoulder for 5min..Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk, read the collected works of Ayn Rand & Al Franken for 3 days straight, guzzled 3 cases of Red Bull, and then played auto-erotic asphyxiation with a clothsline on myself for 2 hours and Viola! I was able to think like an Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Democratic Lefist Traitor Nutbag instaneously!
See, simple, it DOES work!
Dale in Atlanta on July 27, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Obama has zero credibility on the surge, Iraq and the rest of the WoT. If we’d listened to him in the first place, the Middle East would now be in chaos and we’d be wondering in which American city the third dirty bomb would go off.
MikeZero on July 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM
Swiftboating is so ‘04
How about:
Swiftflopping
Swiftwaffling
Swiftflipping
Swiftdistracting
SwiftWrighting
SwiftTruthing
Swiftsuiting (cuz he’s an empty suit)
Ok, the triple iced cafe del casa grande has finally worn off. Time for some sleep…
TheCulturalist on July 27, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Obama is like a cunning coward who climbs out from under the debris -after the fight he hid from has surprisingly been won- and immediately starts taking credit for the unexpected victory.
He’ll probably be recommending a mop-up mini-Surge in Iraq by September.
CIC: Chump In Charge.
profitsbeard on July 27, 2008 at 1:38 AM
Dale at 1:22 AM
LOL!
Eerily accurate and hilarious BDS diagnosis.
profitsbeard on July 27, 2008 at 1:42 AM
Let’s remember,that Obama’s “new” view on withdrawal is now based on the fact that we have “succeeded” in Iraq,not running out in defeat like he would have had us do in Jan. of 2007.
Obama’s Speech at Woodrow Wilson Center
Published August 1, 2007
Illinois Senator Barack Obama, a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, gave this August 2007 speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/13974/
Just because the President misrepresents our enemies does not mean we do not have them. The terrorists are at war with us. The threat is from violent extremists who are a small minority of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims, but the threat is real. They distort Islam. They kill man, woman and child; Christian and Hindu, Jew and Muslim. They seek to create a repressive caliphate. To defeat this enemy, we must understand who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for.
(Obama admits that Islam is pursuing a Caliphate.How can defeating radical Islamist in Iraq be a mistake if it prevents the expansion of the Caliphate.)
(If Obama’s plan of withdrawal in Jan. 07 had taken place,we would have lost the war).
In ending the war, we must act with more wisdom than we started it. That is why my plan would maintain sufficient forces in the region to target al Qaeda within Iraq. But we must recognize that al Qaeda is not the primary source of violence in Iraq, and has little support – not from Shia and Kurds who al Qaeda has targeted, or Sunni tribes hostile to foreigners. On the contrary, al Qaeda’s appeal within Iraq is enhanced by our troop presence.
(sufficient forces in the region is obviously not keeping troops in Iraq. This sounds like Murtha with sending in a strike force “into” Iraq stationed somewhere else to strike al-qaeda)
(The idiotic line that al-qaeda’s appeal is enhanced by our troop presence was demolished by Bush sending in more troops and changing ROE)
(Also on this same point,Obama wants to send in more troops to Afghanistan. With his logic,he is helping promote Al-qaeda by doing this)
(Obama states that there is no military solution in Iraq and then states later on that “we can’t just say there is no military solution to theses problems”. Obama either does not consider Iraq a problem or can’t keep his talking points straight.Plus, the SURGE proved there was a military solution in Iraq,combined with diplomacy.)
(Remember when Obama was against the NSA wiretapping program before he was for it!!)
If it wasn’t for the press and Obama’s faithful sheep,this
idiot would have been laughed off the campaign trail months ago.
Baxter Greene on July 27, 2008 at 1:54 AM
If this guy wins despite his constant “adjustments” every time the political heat gets too warm for him (which only takes a luke warm level of heat it seems) then this country is… well, i don’t honestly know what that makes this country.
Yakko77 on July 27, 2008 at 2:20 AM
When people tell me that I have won, on the phone or in the mail or in an email or in a pop up, I kind of like to know what it is that I have won other than just being able to say, “I won!!! I won!!! I won!!! and I also like to know just how much what I have won is going to cost me.
MB4 on July 27, 2008 at 2:41 AM
Toldja
drjohn on July 27, 2008 at 9:19 AM
It’s amazing to me that one could actually LEARN what is happening in Iraq by the amazingly dreamt up plan of:
GOING to Iraq
MEETING with Petraeus
TALKING to Maliki
How come McCain never did this? What? He has? Lots of times?
originalpechanga on July 27, 2008 at 11:21 AM
This is definitely not any kind of flip-flop because it is so multi-faceted. I think our cappuccino candidate, the former arugula activist from the Peoples’ Republic of Chicago, Barack Obama [Peace Be Upon His Name], spins more in the tradition of a Whirling Dervish whose aim is to make the spectators so dizzy, they just give up thinking.
LaMonte on July 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM
About Obama’s “Change Agenda”
Years ago, there was an old tale in the Marine Corps about a lieutenant who inspected his Marines and told the ‘Gunny’ that they smelled bad. The lieutenant suggested that they change their underwear. The Gunny responded, ‘Aye,aye, sir, I’ll see to it immediately.’
He went into the barracks and said, ‘The lieutenant thinks you guys smell bad, and wants you to change your underwear. Smith, you change with Jones, McCarthy, you change with Kwiatkowski, Brown, you change with Schultz. Get to it’.
The moral:
A candidate may promise change in Washington, but don’t count on things smelling any better.
Dr Evil on July 27, 2008 at 1:24 PM
So now the only difference between the extremely Liberal Obama, and the psudo-Conservative McCain, is drilling off the continental shelf.
Good, someone tell me again how awesome John McCain is.
Snake307 on July 27, 2008 at 2:28 PM
“Conditions-based” needs to be clarified. What sort of conditions means more presence and which conditions call for less presence? In the past, it was when things got the hottest that they wanted to withdraw troops the fastest.
Buddahpundit on July 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM
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