Why Obama snubbed the troops: no photo op allowed
posted at 7:21 am on July 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube get the skinny on the abrupt cancellation of Barack Obama’s visit to Landstuhl and Ramstein yesterday. The campaign tried to excuse it by claiming that it wouldn’t be appropriate to visit while on a campaign-funded portion of his trip, but that wasn’t the real problem. When Obama found out he couldn’t use the visit as a photo op, he canceled:
One military official who was working on the Obama visit said because political candidates are prohibited from using military installations as campaign backdrops, Obama’s representatives were told, “he could only bring two or three of his Senate staff member, no campaign officials or workers.” In addition, “Obama could not bring any media. Only military photographers would be permitted to record Obama’s visit.”
The official said “We didn’t know why” the request to visit the wounded troops was withdrawn. “He (Obama) was more than welcome. We were all ready for him.”
In fact, those same rules applied for the CODEL trip to Iraq and Afghanistan. They serve to keep politicians from exploiting military facilities for political reasons, and to ensure that all visitors get treated fairly. Andrea Mitchell, also of NBC, complained of this very issue during the earlier visits with the troops when she told Chris Matthews that the media couldn’t get access to Obama when visiting troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This makes the decision track very clear. Obama and his team set up the visits to military installations before going overseas. After seeing how the media got excluded in Iraq and Afghanistan, they decided it wasn’t worth traveling to Ramstein and Landstuhl to visit the severely wounded troops because they couldn’t bring the campaign and get the photo ops they wanted. Instead, Obama went shopping in Berlin.
As I wrote yesterday, that’s certainly a revealing set of priorities for a man who wants to lead these troops as Commander in Chief.
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He could have gone if he really wanted to. He could have gone by himself in the dark of the night or he could have pitched a major fit about not being allowed to go. He more than deserves to have his cornflakes pissed in.
JonRoss on July 25, 2008 at 12:07 PM
You seem to have some kind of reading disability. Please re read the 6 paragraphs above, and then you might understand what this is all about.
Thanks.
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 12:07 PM
According to Obama’s campaign NOW it was the Pentagon that said stay away.
tree hugging sister on July 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM
The Pentagon has indeed reported they did not tell Obama he couldn’t go, they just reminded him of the limitations (no press, no photographers other than military).
I can’t believe Mitchell spun it the way she did. It’s appalling.
MayBee on July 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Wouldn’t you be much more at ease at a site that caters to your views, and does not print anything that disagrees with Obama’s version of events?
If this was such a traumatic lie by hotair, then please consider this your invitation to go to the huffington post. I get the feeling that you will be very happy at a place that consists only of wall to wall Obama adoration, and hatred for all things conservative and republican, Dave.
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Hey markmail, you forgot to mention that the brunet anchor corrected the blonde anchor… He said, “…the programming is normally alternated between the networks, usually on an hourly basis…”
Huh?
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM
The surprise is not that he didn’t visit our troops but if he had gone to visit our service men and women.
As I have indicated before, with BO as commander-in-chief, enlistments and re-enlistments will decline and the probability of reactivating the military draft will increase.
diogenes on July 25, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Can you hear those footsteps behind you yet, Baracky, can you hear those knives being sharpened? It’s Hillary and she’s coming for you in Denver.
You just managed to piss-off how many veterans? How many of the ten million U.S. veterans will not take kindly to what you did? As Scooby would say, “Roh roh”!
Bishop on July 25, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Slimy, skinny, little chicken with big ginormous ears, lower than whale Schumer or ambulance chasing trial Lawyers!
dhunter on July 25, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Dave,
He insists this is “not a campaign tour” of any sort; that he is there as a senator and - as he said at the opening of his speech - “not as a candidate for President”.
Why then would he opt out of the one portion of the trip where he would be allowed to bring only 2-3 of his senatorial staffers, no campaign staff and no press? Seems that would have made the troop visit far more in line with his claims of senatorial duty than massive rallies in front of the Victory Column.
Perhaps you can give me a nuance tune up.
RDuke on July 25, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Must be nice for a man who supposedly CARES so MUCH about America, that he won’t even visit troops who are wounded and could also be a “vote”.
Berlin isn’t all that… besides they cost you to damn much.
upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Soldiers are not commodities. What you seem to be saying is that as long as he got in his obligatory troop visits in Kuwait and Afghanistan he reached his quota and the visit with the injured soldiers in Germany was unnecessary. “Kuwait- check; Afghanistan- check, no more soldiers on the To Do list.”
obladioblada on July 25, 2008 at 12:21 PM
It couldn’t come soon enough!
If everyone’s little Johnny and Jane had to serve; we certainly would be lot, less likely to start arbitrary, despicable and optional wars!
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 12:27 PM
He visited with troops in Afghanistan, he visited with troops in Kuwait, he visited with troops in Afghanistan, but OMG OMG he skipped a visit in Germany, he must hate the troops. He is surely not commander-in-chiefy.
sanjeevn on July 25, 2008 at 12:00 PM
You forgot to state the finer details: that the Ramstein stop had been PLANNED and then canceled, that the Iraq and Afghanistan visits didn’t involve a stupendous speech, that the visits in the middle-east allowed photogs but the Ramstein visit didn’t.
Spin all you want but its too late to nuance this in a positive way, too late for Baracky too.
Bishop on July 25, 2008 at 12:27 PM
A real Commander in Chief would have visited the troops. Period.
SouthernRoots on July 25, 2008 at 12:31 PM
If everyone’s little Johnny and Jane had to serve; we certainly would be lot, less likely to start
arbitrary, despicable and optionalwars under republicans! Wars under democrats is just fine by me!!wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM
OT: I am watching the Obama/Sarkozy press conference and Christiane Amanpour just exhibited some of the most blatant BO suck-up-i-ness when asking a loaded question of Sarkozy while at the same time talking about how wonderful BO is - I damn near threw my coffee cup at my tv. I agree with posters above - BO is the anti-Christ - my boyfriend and I just discussed this in detail last night…(and I am not an overtly religious person - but somethings cannot be ignored). Citizen of the World …akkkkkkkk…..I have ODS truly.
HawaiiLwyr on July 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM
He visited the other troops only because they happened to be in the places he had to visit to make him look “Commander in Chiefy.” That’s it. As far as the campaign agenda, it’s all about the basketball or gym workouts. Paraplegic and burn victim troops just aren’t sexy enough for his image.
Cue Obama world president theme song:
I’m too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt
So sexy it hurts
And I’m too sexy for McCain, too sexy for McCain,
Landstuhl and Ramstein
econavenger on July 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM
So Obama is flying around the world with a whole Boeingload of advisors and major news anchors - and NOT EVEN ONE of these is aware of military policy regarding photo ops? Is this the first campaign that Couric & Co have covered?
innominatus on July 25, 2008 at 12:37 PM
He visited with troops in Afghanistan, he visited with troops in Kuwait, he visited with troops in Afghanistan,
In Afghanistan, Obama met with troops who were from Illinois only.
Bishop on July 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I assume McCain is visiting whatever troops there are in Colorado today, right?
Because if he doesn’t, obviously he hates the troops.
Dave Rywall on July 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Good one!
At least your’s rhymes…
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM
It hurts when the lack of character of your man is revealed.
He had a choice, visit the wounded or campaign with photo ops…he chose the photo ops.
Has he ever visited any wounded soldier overseas? without a photo op?
Maybe he could request to be president, but not “Commander OF Chief”…that would be more in his line of what he thinks the President is.
right2bright on July 25, 2008 at 12:42 PM
It’s easy to treat people that are more powerful than you or can do something for you well. You learn about an individual’s character by observing the way that he/she treats people that he/she perceives as being lower in status or not useful to them.
obladioblada on July 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Are these troops only from Illinois?
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 12:45 PM
You seem so very angry here. Again, please feel free to go to a website that caters to your political views. You will be much less angry. Unless, being angry and wanting to be a pinata to conservatives is what you are really interested in. In that case, you could seek therapy for this social disorder of yours. Or not.
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/25/1222409.aspx
Obama is now calling the troops at Landstuhl Germany to make up for it.
Isn’t that sweet.
Enoxo on July 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Mon apologies, Bishop… You posted Afghanistan.
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 12:51 PM
why are you so insistent on building an echo chamber? and who the hell are you to tell people they should go to another blog? if you disagree w/ his ideas explain why. but thats too much to ask of you. you just insult and act like a middle schooler anytime someone posts opposing viewpoints. try being a man instead of a troll.
chasdal on July 25, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Not what I am doing in the least.
I would like to see discussion based on logic. Not liberal talking points.
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Dave Rywall’s mission here seems to be to be coming here to become outraged at the conservative ideas and opinions that he reads, and then tell us that we are all wrong. I see no substantive arguments or rebuttals from him. If that is the kind of discussion you want, then by all means, enjoy your talks with him. I am only pointing out to him at how angry he is at this site and the conservative commentators here. There is a very simple solution for his anger. And that solution does not involve us.
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 1:02 PM
That’s what I’m saying. As long as he’s not seen with “those people” on his Global SexyBack tour it’s perfect.
econavenger on July 25, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Dave Rywall’s mission here is:
1) to make himself feel important by being contrary
He hasn’t made one substantive comment that I’ve seen. Ignore him until he does.
BigD on July 25, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Remember 9-11, WTC bombing, USS cole, attacks on U.S. embassies….. We did not start this war.
Johan Klaus on July 25, 2008 at 1:11 PM
RE:
I think he’s the bitter one.
Sir Napsalot on July 25, 2008 at 1:13 PM
I’m sure Dave is planning to offer a response to the question about why a portion of his trip to Germany that would have been in keeping with a Senatorial visit was omitted after the campaign found out no press was allowed and that no campaign officials would be allowed at the non-campaign event.
Oh, he just posted some nonsense about whether McCain is visiting troops in CO?
One could be forgiven for assuming such deflection arises when a person is defending an untenable position and has no actual reply.
RDuke on July 25, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Obama’s Western Wall prayer. It looks like the lord has his work cut out on the “guard against pride” issue.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 1:18 PM
I’m referring to”Dubyah’s Great [Mis] Adventure into Mesopotamia”.
Dealing with al Qaeda in Afghanistan is an absolute necessity.
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 1:20 PM
I assume McCain is visiting whatever troops there are in Colorado today, right?
Because if he doesn’t, obviously he hates the troops.
Dave Rywall on July 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Stationed in Colorado or stationed in Afghanistan, just a little difference there as most people can see.
Bishop on July 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I’m referring to”Dubyah’s Great [Mis] Adventure into Mesopotamia”.
Bush invaded not only Iraq but also Iran, Syria and Turkey?
Whoa….how did he do that without anyone noticing?
Bishop on July 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM
These are some lyrics from Reamonn, one for the opening acts of the Obama concert. Quite telling.
Johan Klaus on July 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Thank you Ed. It’s good to be informed and even better to know the simple truth.
Please tell me: if Barry can’t trust the military to take good pics and clips, what CAN he trust them to do?
I can’t let this go: In response to J_Gocht, Johan Klaus said: Remember 9-11, WTC bombing, USS cole, attacks on U.S. embassies….. We did not start this war.
Wasn’t it 12 years that Saddam Hussein was in violation of the treaty he signed after the first Gulf War? How many more years were we to stand by and allow that monster to line his pockets and starve his people with Food For Oil?…How muscular some are in their ignorance that they can dismiss the facts of history and re-write it all to suit their cowardice!
Christine on July 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Johan rocks.
Christine on July 25, 2008 at 1:29 PM
How many more years were we to stand by and allow that monster to line his pockets and starve his people with Food For Oil?
Until a democrat got into the White House, they are the only ones allowed to attack another nation.
Bishop on July 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Ok, his name equals 666(18 letters 3 x 6/ 666) and he is named after a famous muslim called Hussein the Dragon . And yes.. the world IS going crazy for him and calls him messiah, does that mean that he is the Anti-Christ?.
Yes, he is obviously the 666/Dragon/Anti-Christ of the Bible.
Repent…the kingdom of heaven is near.
What will you people who relentlessly criticized those who pointed out that the SPP is trying to form a North American Union by 2010 say, after President Hussein merges the USA with mexico/canada and shortly afterwards..the european union?
SaintOlaf on July 25, 2008 at 1:31 PM
“Courage”
/Gunga Dan
omnipotent on July 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM
You are correct Sir!
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM
I thank you.
Now please explain how Bush managed to invade those other nations without anyone noticing?
Bishop on July 25, 2008 at 1:40 PM
In response to J_Gocht, wise_man said:
If everyone’s little Johnny and Jane had to serve; we certainly would be lot, less likely to start arbitrary, despicable and optional wars under republicans! Wars under democrats is just fine by me!!
Indeed, was Billy’s war of distraction in Serbia a necessary war? Is Gocht aware that our air assaults left that country completely broken, polluted and heart-broken? Does he/she know that our jets were painted with NATO insignias to fool everyone into thinking we had international support. Does he/she know that the ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Muslim extremists in Kosovo was eclipsed by the deaths of Serbian civilians?
That’s the Demo kind of ‘war’.
If Obama wins, we lose–bigtime.
Christine on July 25, 2008 at 1:43 PM
We can’t be policeman and nation builder to the whole world. Neither I, nor my great-great-grandchildren will be able to afford it.
We can however with good leadership; enlist the good will and assistance of the whole world to help itself.
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 1:46 PM
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
- Mr. Spock
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Dave’s in that position a lot. It could also be just his inability to focus for more than a minute or two. I enjoy watching the trolls spin the nonspinnable, and there are a lot of them out today. I think they sense what Obama did to himself on his Disney trip and are desperate to patch it over quickly. Denver is beckoning and Hillary is still floating the wind currents overhead,..circling and waiting.
a capella on July 25, 2008 at 1:49 PM
You got me there Bishop. I can’t.
My use of “Mesopotamia” is a lame cutesy attempt to deride and belittle President Bush’s despicable war in Iraq.
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 1:53 PM
The lack of initiative and confidence of the “whole world” is absolutely sickening and a Gargantuan baby-cry.
Wtf is the “whole world” been waiting for all this time. Tell it to get off its giant collective ars and do something, without waiting like babies for an empty Utopian nihilist, who won’t offer them anything but “feel-good” nothingness. It is pathetic how otherwise functioning people can get this snowed.
Where is the bathroom? Who will hold my hand?
Get over this much stupidity, you, the Europeans, the Middle Easterners, some Asians, Central/South Americans.
Go help yourselves, and stop the whining.
America already pays through its eyes for all kinds of world protection, so you can whine, whine, whine.
This Utopian ‘world peace’, waiting for ‘walls to crumble’…bla, bla, bla won’t get anything done.
Where’s that pacifier?
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Yes, Africans too. We’ll continue to fee many. It’s been a long time. Do something about all your corruption, stop killing each other. Go to work.
Europeans are the most sickening lot in the world on Utopia, socialism, Marxism, idealism, and other isms. None are more disgusting than their lemming/sheep-like “wait and see”, and cult followings.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 1:57 PM
S/b “we’ll continue to feed”.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Sycophants around the world are indignant.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM
You know what? Even though we can not ‘afford’ it, since nobody else is doing it, I rather TRUST more it is US that’s doing it.
Wait till the world police is left to China and Russia, then you will know we really can’t afford it.
Sir Napsalot on July 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM
So, by way of admitting a falsification, you provide another as an excuse. Banjo hitter.
a capella on July 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Folks, I wrote.
“Good leadership” , now there’s the rub…we haven’t had it, for lo these last seven and more years.
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM
The brain dead American sheeple are about to elect this greenhorn joker POTUS. What a sad testiment to the breakdown of a once senseable electorate.
And McCain wants to grant amnesty. That will sure splash some serious gas on the fire. What next, convicted felons? Traitors? All foreign nationals including MS13 members?
McCain is a confused fool and Obama is a shameless carpet bagger.
Both suck.
saiga on July 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Darn, you folks just keep nailin’ me!
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM
J_Gocht, your idealism blinds an otherwise good man. This is a syndrome many in the world possess.
Utopia doesn’t flourish on Earth.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
J_Gocht, also, your “good leadership” excuses gettina all others off their universal duff, and doing something.
In the meanwhile they sit around, pontificate, and wait for the U.S. or that Messiah to arrive. It’s all hot air and not much will change.
It’s also very unaccountable and “blame others”.
They, I don’t know about you, did the same to Reagan when he was president.
The Europeans and of course the lefties here, never, ever, had anything good to say about a conservative president in his time. They never will. It’s as clear as the sun having risen in the East today.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Is a “banjo hitter” better or worse than a “guitar hitter”?
I’m partial to the guitar!
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Don’t get so down, my man.
Bush 41 did a better than “fair to middling” job of getting a large group of nations together for Operation Iraqi Freedom.
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM
“We can however with good leadership; enlist the good will and assistance of the whole world to help itself.”
J_Gocht
With the “good leadership” of the Clintons and the UN we got FFO and allowed Hussein to commit countless atrocities, not to mention fund, harbor and train terrorists, (including Al Queda). If we had done the job correctly under Bush I, we wouldn’t have had to bring SH down and make Iraq an example to the other ME nations who refuse to join the civilized nations of 21st century…It was our karmic duty to take him out and stay in Iraq long enough to ensure that they could defend themselves.
Certainly we cannot be the police force of the world, but wringing our hands at this late date saying: ‘We shouldn’t have invaded Iraq!’ is not only stupid, it’s non-productive, even destructive to the higher goal.
BTW: Will Obama supply us with more of the same good leadership? Will he personally lead all our brave troops out of Iraq so that Iran can take over? What is his plan anyway?
Christine on July 25, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Well it looks like Obama may be getting that bounce after all. The one that it was declared that he didn’t/wouldn’t get because he fracked up so badly.
Friday, July 25, 2008
1) The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows a bounce for Barack Obama. The presumptive Democratic nominee attracts 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 44%. Just three days ago, the candidates were tied at 46% (with leaners).
2) Barack Obama has expanded his lead over John McCain in the Tuesday through Thursday Gallup Poll Daily tracking rolling average, and now has a 47% to 41% advantage over his Republican challenger.
Know why? Because Obama is looking at the forest and Republicans are looking at the trees, like the subject of this thread. Obama is thinking strategically. Republicans are thinking tactically and not even doing that right as they are mostly just going for attempted “gotchas”.
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Hatred for all things American on display in Europe.
I’m surprised his opening act wasn’t the Dixie Chicks.
madmonkphotog on July 25, 2008 at 2:33 PM
I’m a lady. I’m not down, just tired of the whining world, sitting around, watinig to see what’s next, while blaming the U.S., who already pays a lot in blood and treasure, to grant them the privilage to pontificate and criticize.
It looks like MB4 is getting a tingle form Obama’s cat bounce.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM
MB4 and Obama “we are whom we’ve been waiging for”. “We’re also the change we’ve been waiting for”.
It all will have a huge price.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Lets see here, BO has secret service protection while in the War Zone. Note that McCain has been protected by our troops. The Military take care of their own!
luckybogey on July 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM
For the sake of my children, I cannot see how we can afford not to. Someone has to stand up and lead, and right now, the US is the one that has the will and capability to do it. We saw how well that “good will and assistance” thing worked for Chamberlain.
coyoterex on July 25, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Jus what I thought, there was no reason for him not to go..
his whole reason for going on on these trips was to tour US, places for “facts”..
instead Obama chose camapign stops over looking for facts, maybe he could have learned something from touring those facilities.
Chakra Hammer on July 25, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Your signature is 9, 666/9 equals 74, you have made 74 posts this week, therefore your posts are of satan…9 times 74 equals 666.
Or add up the individual 666 (18), every two posts you make is of satan.
right2bright on July 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Interesting that he’s willing to meet with Ahmadenijad, et al. without preconditions but not this way with injured troops.
baldilocks on July 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM
She’s a Lady. Whoa whoa whoa, She’s a Lady.
She’s got style, she’s got grace.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa, she’s a Lady.
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 3:00 PM
The Principle of Least Interest
The one who cares the most about something takes care of it.
Those who care about the wounded troops do visit them.
Obama does not care to visit the troops.
If Obama doesn’t care, Obama doesn’t do.
Obama only cares about Obama.
No one but Obama matters to Obama.
When he loses, you will see Obama lashing out at a lot of people who didn’t care enough about Obama to make him the winner. He’s already lashing out at people who don’t support him as racist bigots. But when he loses, he will lash his own for not being good enough for him.
maverick muse on July 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM
You sound a lot like someone I used to know back in 2000.
Maybe I’m missing something here. I mean, we’re going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not. Our military’s meant to fight and win war. That’s what it’s meant to do. And when it gets overextended, morale drops. But I’m going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the exit strategy obvious.
- George W. Bush
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Man, if I was a soldier recovering from wounds, and my Senator came to Germany, but he chose to make a campaign speech to Germans instead of seeing me…I’d be upset.
Good thing he’s calling the troops now. They’ll be real eager to vote for him now.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/25/1222409.aspx
scottm on July 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM
He didn’t visit because he didn’t have to. No one that Barry cares about cares whether he visited those bases.
spmat on July 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Not me. Not if he sent beer and cigars and maybe some hot babes in his place.
That’s when you know the’re really looking out for you.
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Slap me upside the head!
Kick by sorry backside!
First I did it to “baldilocks” and now to “Entelechy”
When will I ever learn to stop using that supposed generic term “man”? Isn’t it sorta like “you guys” when talking to a group of mixed gender?
There you go again, trying to make up a lame excuse!
Mon apologies, Entelechy!
Sincerely!
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 3:29 PM
For those of you who have castigated me here, for implying that his Holiness, Barack HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW), is a Marxist-Mulism, please feel free to check this out, and then start fitting the women folk in your extended family for Burqas!
Dale in Atlanta on July 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM
You obviously don’t know the women folk in my extended family. Even I don’t mess with ‘em.
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 3:36 PM
I remember when Ronald Wilson Reagan was the antichrist because he had 6 letters in each of his three names = 666.
While I don’t hold to making names into numbers, it should be noted that the biblical antichrist is foretold to unexpectedly rise to global power, bring peace between Israel and its enemies (Arabs) after a failed invasion attempt by the armies of the north (Iraq and/or Iran), help them rebuild their temple in Jerusalem (the location is currently an Islamic holy site), only to later betray their trust and declare himself the messiah. Very unlikely scenario in today’s climate. This would have to be someone very charismatic, with ties to, or at least the respect of, both the Jews (perhaps via his Christian cred) and to the Arabs (perhaps via his Islamic roots.) Sound familiar… just sayin’
Also, most bible scholars say that the antichrist will rise up from Europe because of the prophecy in the book of Daniel of the little horn rising up from the 10 other horns (10 remnant nations of the roman empire, aka Europe), to eventually dominate them. Could this not be the United States (the little horn), a small nation that rose up from remnants of Europe (10 horns), to dominate them. Hmmmmmmm. I wonder who were the three horns that were immediately torn down during the rise of the “little horn”?
AverageJoe on July 25, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Or could the antichrist be that “sweet guy” that Bush and Blair were caught talking about on the “hot” mic in the G8 summit a couple of years back.
AverageJoe on July 25, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Hey 10 horns that has a new one destroy 3 of them, leaves 8. The G8!! The antichrist will be from the G8!!
AverageJoe on July 25, 2008 at 3:48 PM
I heard tell; someone said…”He’d be wearing a blue turban?”
That should be easy to PhotoShop.
Right, Gilda?
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Whoa, we’re dealing with both a graduate from Central High and Bible scholar.
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 4:07 PM
The proof that Hussein canceled is in a piece reported on the Politico where a NAMED pentagon official states they (the Pentagon) told Hussein’s campaign he could not use the visit for CAMPAIGN purposes as reported by Ed above, whereupon Hussein canceled.
He doesn’t give a rats backside for the troops, only and ever the PHOTO OP.
dogsoldier on July 25, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Hey 10 + 1 - 3 = 8 is just as valid as 18 = 3 * 6 ~ 666 .
AverageJoe on July 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Holy Ridiculousity, Batman! It’s the Blog Nazi, trying to enforce ideological purity on the Internet!
_man, do you ever get the feeling that you’re making an ass out of yourself, and that even the people sympathetic to your political views think you’re a half-wit?
misterpeasea on July 25, 2008 at 4:36 PM
are there any pictures of him shopping or “excersising” in berlin? that would be the be all end all.
jtorres138 on July 25, 2008 at 4:41 PM
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 3:29 PM
No worries whatever. It was just a friendly clarification.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 4:45 PM
You da MAN!
At least I hope you are?
The way my day’s been goin’!
J_Gocht on July 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Maybe Barry wouldn’t have been able to resist slapping one of the wounded troops a la Patton — only he’d have done it for the opposite reason!
max1 on July 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM
exercising! ugh… stupid me.
jtorres138 on July 25, 2008 at 4:48 PM
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