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There are so many things to go after Obama on, choosing this kind of “tactic” is astounding.

MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Please list 5 of them here, in this thread, without degrading McCain, without even mentioning him.

I know you can do it.

Judging from the posts, MB4 seems to take the libertarian view….everything sucks, all politicians suck, anarchy is the way…I’m pissed at the world..

BigWyo on July 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Well, if everything was right with the world nobody would have anything to complain about and HotAir would be ColdVacuum.

Besides, most politicians do suck, you’ve gotta’ admit….

And if MB4 was a Mitt supporter, why be such a dick about it?? Mitt is just a polished up McCain…He probably has more economic sense…But he’s just as middle of the road…just prettier and younger…

Smacks op LooserTarian…..

WTF???

BigWyo on July 25, 2008 at 8:02 PM

I don’t know why that would be. MB4 was a Mitt supporter.

RVN and I went to school on an Indian Reservation. I also have been to certain parts of New York City.

MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Well that explains a lot…

Damn…here for the last few days any time I mentioned Ron Paul, MB4 shut his cake hole..WTF???

As for the question of patriotism…can Obama be patriotic and still want us to lose? yes, he can if in his twisted little mind that loss serves a greater purpose.

McCain simply should not go in this direction. He can talk about leadership, talk about judgment, talk about Obama’s unwillingness to admit error. That’s fine.

Those qualities or factors will be the ones (along with other issues) that American’s use to decide on the presidency.

As you noted, there are those who think a loss in Iraq would have been better for us. That we would “come home”, that the “neocons” would be defeated, that we would discover that “we can’t trust the Muslims”.

And in each case, I’m sure that person thought he or she was advocating what was best for the country.

So, yeah, someone who wished we had lost in Iraq could still be a patriot.

The Ron Paul people support Obama in spite of his very liberal attitudes on illegal immigration because they want to destroy the Republican party and recreate it in their {shudder} image.

Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Maybe, but I’ve had serious doubts that many of Ron Paul’s supporters were Republicans in the first place. I think he was primarily just a repository of kooky fringe groups.

Kind of like the Paulbots and their perverse desire to see McCain lose at all costs. No doubt they would be insulted if anyone questioned their patriotism.

we have a good chance of getting enough Republicans to stop any amnesty bill from reaching the President (McCain or Obama).

SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Many of the Republicans currently in congress are part of the problem.

At any rate, I hope you’re right, but after McCain or Obama are elected with an open-borders mandate some fence sitters in congress will rightly get the message that supporting open-borders isn’t a sufficiently important issue to enough voters to damage their career in the long term. If McCain/Obama can become president with an open-borders mandate, why can’t they get reelected? The voters will have proven that they don’t care enough or have short memories.

Certainly there will be some exceptions in districts where illegal immigration is still a prominent issue but I predict it will be more difficult to stop amnesty from the bottom up next time around.

The Ron Paul people support Obama in spite of his very liberal attitudes on illegal immigration because they want to destroy the Republican party and recreate it in their {shudder} image.

I just do not see that happening.

Spot on brother! These effete leftist hand wringers have no clue what the real world is like. Only in the US and Europe could such sniveling, venal, and sanctimonious people get away with their crap. They are parasites on the backs of those of us who put it all on the line for the country. I’d love to see some of these supposed intellectuals come down to Colombia.

So far the only Obama supporters down there have been the typical snivelling anti American democrat supporters of the FARC like this piece of excrement.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2018101/posts

I don’t know much about the Paul supporters

E.g., the ones who post here who call McCain “Juan McCain” and excoriate him on the issue.

Yet they’re silent about Obama’s views on amnesty and are often defending him here from the same type of charges that they throw at McCain.

we can replace enough of the legislative branch that the next president becomes an irrelevant party to the issue.

Well, the key is preventing the Democrats from getting filibuster proof majority in the Senate. If they get 60+ seats, there’s not much we can do. If they don’t, we have a good chance of getting enough Republicans to stop any amnesty bill from reaching the President (McCain or Obama).

Why do you think the Paul supporters condemn McCain for the amnesty legislation but give Obama a pass?

SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I don’t know much about the Paul supporters so can’t comment about that, but I think that amnesty is a forgone conclusion at this point unless we can replace enough of the legislative branch that the next president becomes an irrelevant party to the issue.

McCain is also guilty and would open himself up to similar accusations were it not for the fact that Obama also supports open-borders. In total, Obama is certainly worse than McCain

Why do you think the Paul supporters condemn McCain for the amnesty legislation but give Obama a pass?

It seems to me that with a McCain Administration we’ll have some influence in preventing him from doing really irresponsible stuff again like the McCain-Kennedy bill.

With an Obama Administration, we’ll have zero influence.

There are so many things to go after Obama on, choosing this kind of “tactic” is astounding.

MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 5:46 PM

I actually liked McCain’s original line, but I don’t think it’s wise for him to directly question Obama’s patriotism by accusing him of selling out our national security to further his own personal political ambitions. Open-borders actually costs more American lives than the war in Iraq so on that score McCain is also guilty and would open himself up to similar accusations were it not for the fact that Obama also supports open-borders. In total, Obama is certainly worse than McCain.

What a stupid thing to continue saying.

Why did Obama oppose funding for the troops while the surge was in process? The funding needed to be replenished. Without the funding, the operations would have had to cease.

He was opposed to the surge – he stated at the time if was a failure and that it was causing more problems.

So, it made sense – from his point of view – to stop the funding for military operations that he thought were wrong.

At the time, the leftwing was calling for a cessation of operations and a removal of troops.

It was a smart move politically for Obama at the time.

But it was, as it turned out, a dumb move for the war in Iraq.

While the surge was in process, Senator Obama voted to cut off funding of those operations

Again, while the surge was being undertaken, there was a vote in the Senate to continue the funding of those (and other) operations.

Obama voted against that funding. That makes sense (for him) since, at the time, he said the surge was a disaster and would only cause more problems for us and Iraq. Why fund a plan you think is wrong?

AFAIK, he did not offer a substitute funding plan.

If he had offered an alternative funding plan, that would be defensible.

That was dumb – not malicious – on his part but at the time, he needed the support of the MoveOn crowd to get the nomination.

Video: McCain stands by accusation that Obama would rather win the election than the war

IMO, there’s way more to the sinister side of FauxBama than showing. He scares me more than any person EVER running for president.

It may be unfair – and unwise – to question his patriotism but cutting off supplies to troops in a warzone is pretty questionable.

More than questionable.

SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 5:40 PM

No one cut off supplies to American troops in a war zone.

There are so many things to go after Obama on, choosing this kind of “tactic” is astounding.

lorien1973 on July 25, 2008 at 5:16 PM

That is stunning!