Team McCain Conference Call: Energy

posted at 11:37 am on July 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

With demand swelling from the American electorate to increase supply, if you’ll pardon my pun, it’s small wonder that Team McCain wanted to talk about John McCain’s energy policy today. Nancy Pfotenhauer, a senior adviser on domestic policy, hosted the conference call today.

Nancy started off by highlighting the hundreds of billions of dollars going out of the US for its energy needs.  Gas prices have a “severe impact” on the economy; almost all goods have increased because of distribution costs, but food has also increased because of the ethanol mandates Obama supported.

It’s not only irrational but irresponsible to ignore vast energy resources while pursuing unrealized technologies.  Congressional Democrats have blocked the responsible policy.  Nancy calls this the same as the surge debate.  McCain sees the long-term success of his plan, while Democrats remain locked into short-term thinking.

McCain also wants to transform the transportation sector.  Tax credits for zero-emission cars would do much more than mandates on the manufacturing end to move Americans to more efficient models.

Nuclear power is a proven zero-emission resource, and it’s time we embraced it more fully.  Clean coal, solar, hydro, and other alternatives need to be explored as fully as possible.  McCain wants 45 new nuclear plants built by 2030, many of them on existing locatioms.

Questions:

  • Me: Will McCain reconsider his opposition in drilling in ANWR?  No, he remains committed to protecting ANWR, saying “refuge” is there for a reason.  There are over 20 billion barrels proven in the OCS and a lot more in shale.
  • How will McCain jump-start the nuclear industry?  We need to expedite the permitting.  We also need to expedite the Yucca Mountain storage facility as well.
  • Jazz Shaw: Would McCain do a thorough review of the NRC as president to streamline the process?  As long as their oversight on safety and environmental issues remains in place, McCain would see that as an important step in the process.  They feel certain that McCain can work across the aisle to accomplish this.
  • Red State: Has the Senator reached out in specific ways to the auto industry in order for them to do long-term planning, especially on electric power for vehicles?  Good question, because we need to guard against excessive economic dislocation.  McCain wants to work with the private sector to help with that long-term planning.  They want to have a partnership, rather than mandate relationship.  “Government is notoriously bad at picking winners and losers.”
  • Russ Kominsky: The Left’s goals with climate-change policy is to change the economy.  Has McCain started looking at the newer science, which minimizes the impact of carbon on climate change?  “We hear from them frequently,” but McCain believes the bulk of the science demands action on reducing carbon emissions.  McCain draws a distinction between his plan and Obama’s on cap-and-trade.  The McCain system extends goal commitments farther out to help in the transition, which Obama doesn’t — and that will bring significantly higher energy costs almost immediately.  It transfers the capital to the government, and the consumers will bear the burden.

I’m still not buying on the cap-and-trade or the ANWR policy.  ANWR has a portion specifically set aside for energy development which, as Rep. Michele Bachmann noted this week, is barren of the wildlife that critics claim to protect.  In fact, it has no particularly singular ecology at all.  The “refuge” applies to all but the 2,000 acre lot that Congress explicitly designated for drilling 30 years ago, and which has remained trapped in a silly, useless political tug-of-war.

However, we can argue about ANWR later if we can get access to the OCS and the interior for oil and natural gas exploration.  McCain makes strong commitments to those policies, which sets a clear demarcation between himself and Barack Obama.


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No, he remains committed to protecting ANWR, saying “refuge” is there for a reason.

Which means Palin’s stock is at 0.01 I suppose.

Limerick on July 25, 2008 at 11:39 AM

sigh…

sabbott on July 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM

In fact, it has no particularly singular ecology at all.

All this from the highly credentialled biologist Ed Morrissey.

Grow Fins on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

There’s no such thing as a “zero emmissions car”.

There are only zero emmissions here cars.

MarkTheGreat on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Oil prices keep falling and it will be an excuse for nothing to change.

brak on July 25, 2008 at 11:43 AM

All this from the highly credentialled biologist Ed Morrissey.
Grow Fins on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Ok genius, what lives there besides mosquitoes?

Akzed on July 25, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Me: Will McCain reconsider his opposition in drilling in ANWR? No, he remains committed to protecting ANWR, saying “refuge” is there for a reason.

That is blatantly false. Unlike the rest of ANWR, the coastal Plain was designated with the specific intent to permit drilling there.

Time for a history lesson, Mac. Maybe this weekend would be a good time, since you take weekends off?

Buy Danish on July 25, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Sign the petition at:

Grassfire.org

Grassfire is launching this National Petition demanding that Congress lift the legislative and funding ban on Offshore Oil Drilling BEFORE the August recess.

No Summer Holiday For Congress Unless The Offshore Drilling Ban Is Lifted!

there it is on July 25, 2008 at 11:46 AM

You didn’t think that the “Maverick” factor was all of a sudden going to start working for us did you?

Maverick means stuck on stupid, or stuck on stubborn, depending upon how charitable you feel. One is a mistake, the other intentional. Your pick.

Immolate on July 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM

McAMNESTY is an odd duck. He doesn’t understand science, engineering or business. What else, did I miss anything. Oh yeah, almost forgot, free market economics. Nor will he listen to anyone who does.

What’s not to like.

tarpon on July 25, 2008 at 11:49 AM

What is McCain thinking? Drill in ANWR!

Which means Palin’s stock is at 0.01 I suppose.

Limerick on July 25, 2008 at 11:39 AM

Sad.

jencab on July 25, 2008 at 11:49 AM

All this from the highly credentialled biologist Ed Morrissey.
Grow Fins on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

You know, if you want to call someone else’s intellectual credentials into question, it would help bolster your argument if you spelled the word “credentialed” correctly.

Just a thought.

Slublog on July 25, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Will McCain reconsider his opposition in drilling in ANWR? No, he remains committed to protecting ANWR, saying “refuge” is there for a reason.

in other words he’s still a lib.

the republicans have blown a historic chance by nominating obama-lite.

right4life on July 25, 2008 at 11:55 AM

In an interview on “Hannity and Colmes” last night, MN Governor Pawlenty was asked about his VP prospects (and declined to comment) but was also asked if he disagreed with McCain on any issues. Pawlenty replied that we SHOULD drill in ANWR, and that was a disagreement with McCain.

Pawlenty is considered one of the major candidates for the VP nomination. Possibly, Pawlenty’s disagreement with McCain might take him out of the running, although if McCain finds that most of his possible running mates want to drill in ANWR (as well as 59% of the people in a Fox poll), he might be convinced to change his mind.

People seem to be mentioning Governor Romney as the most likely running mate for McCain, although I don’t think he’s the best pick. But what is his position on ANWR?

Steve Z on July 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Speaking of economic dislocation, here’s one more: the job market is drying up because of the gas price increase. Companies that are dependent on transportation or shipping have found that the gas prices, which of course they couldn’t budget for, are cutting both demand for products and services, and also cutting available funds for hiring.

I have this directly from recruiting agencies, since their revenue depends entirely on the job market. They should know!

NeighborhoodCatLady on July 25, 2008 at 11:57 AM

McCain doesn’t get it. And it makes me wonder if Alaskans as a whole should just start pushing ourselves away as a State and become a territory again. The Federal Government will not have the lands anymore, but no one but us will have that oil, gas and other geo resources.

I doubt Palin will be able to help change this man’s mind. And the fact he has told her no to a “tour”.

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:02 PM

People seem to be mentioning Governor Romney as the most likely running mate for McCain, although I don’t think he’s the best pick. But what is his position on ANWR?

Steve Z on July 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Mitt, like Pawlenty (and Palin of course) favors drilling in ANWR. Does anyone agree with Mac on ANWR and Cap & Trade other than his good friend Joe Lieberman?

Buy Danish on July 25, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Jaun McDumb just needs a visit from Governor Palin mayhaps she could explain that it is outside of the constition for the Federal Govment to decree that which the states can do with their own land and natural resources.
Jaun and the Federal Govment have gone way beyond that which is constitutional. If a visit from Palin doesn’t work maybe Cheney needs to try. Take him quail hunting Dick and explain the situation to McDips…

I can’t believe the other candidate is worse and I have to vote for McCain, unbelievable!

dhunter on July 25, 2008 at 12:03 PM

That’s the final straw- I formally withdraw my support for McCain ’08.

Valiant on July 25, 2008 at 12:04 PM

You know, if you want to call someone else’s intellectual credentials into question, it would help bolster your argument if you spelled the word “credentialed” correctly.

Just a thought.

Slublog on July 25, 2008 at 11:50 AM

That’s going to leave a mark.

Besides, we ALL know how important the roaming herds of lichens up at ANWR are to our planets ecology…

Darksean on July 25, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Does anyone agree with Mac on ANWR and Cap & Trade other than his good friend Joe Lieberman?

Harry Reid, nancy Pelosi, the new bi-racial messiah, uncle Keg (teddy)

you know, McCain’s friends!!

right4life on July 25, 2008 at 12:05 PM

You know, if you want to call someone else’s intellectual credentials into question, it would help bolster your argument if you spelled the word “credentialed” correctly.

Oh… SNAP!

Immolate on July 25, 2008 at 12:06 PM

USt just reported earnings. Citing gas prices for a decline in tobacco sales. When people start giving up their addictions like tobacco because of gas prices than “HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM

unseen on July 25, 2008 at 12:06 PM

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:02 PM

There is that but careful of the russian bear on the doorsteps up there.

unseen on July 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM

All this from the highly credentialled biologist Ed Morrissey.

Grow Fins on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Wow, you are an idiot. Ecology coincides with geology and with that, especially up here on the damn Tundra, drilling!

So with that said, biological endeavors are and have been used to make “DRILLING” here in my State economical, environmental and last but not least, SAFE!

Get a clue and go eat a tree!

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM

There is that but careful of the russian bear on the doorsteps up there.

unseen on July 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Most think Alaska is part of Russia anyways, and in many cases I have even heard some think Alaska is a country and not a State at all. Ice bridges and so on. People in America are freaking rocks and it annoys me to no damn end.

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Get a clue and go eat a tree!

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM

LOL. A meal and a toothpick rolled into one!

Limerick on July 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM

I’m surprised the mccainiacs:

unwise_man
right2bdumb
carbon_foot_in_mouth

aren’t here to denounce the anti-mccain apostasy in this thread….

right4life on July 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Limerick on July 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM

I just drove over 900 miles in 24 hours. I am tired, grumpy and I am not feeling “nice”.

Stupid people may need to back away, especially the tree humping ANWR rejects of the Northern American Hemisphere. Which include McCain right now.

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Limerick on July 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM

OH and I spent 5.74 a gallon for gas in Cantwell. YEAH, we REALLY don’t need to drill ANWR.

Ed, I have a picture of the pump if you want a compy. I will have to send it tonight. No one may believe it though.

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:17 PM

That’s the final straw- I formally withdraw my support for McCain ‘08.

Which, because he still doesn’t want to drill in ANWR, or because he’s still a global warming sheep, or because he’s still post-sovereignty on immigration or… gawd, now you’ve got me doing it.

Immolate on July 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Do they have safari’s to ANWR? How can we all get there to see this reserve? Is it on anyones top ten lists of places to go?

How about this, agree on ONE place that has easy access to oil and let’s GO FOR IT. If Nancy announced that she would whole-heartedly support oil drilling and fast track permits….the oil prices would TANK….. but, then, that would help Americans, so.. I guess no dice..

originalpechanga on July 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM

originalpechanga on July 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Fast tracking BLM permits. HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

**Breaths**

HAHHAHAHHAAAAA HAHAHHAHAAAAA

I can’t breath!

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM

right4life on July 25, 2008 at 11:55 AM

this election should be a cakewalk for the republicans. running against obama should yield a blowout beyond anything Ronnie ever accomplished. instead our party somehow nominated the only man that could lose to friggin O’Bambi!!

i predict the lowest republican turnout in years. and thats just 4 years removed from a record setting election in ballots cast.

chasdal on July 25, 2008 at 12:35 PM

originalpechanga on July 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM

here’s an article on ANWR visitors.

not enough to justify keeping it pristine and making me pay $3.85/gallon for gas.

chasdal on July 25, 2008 at 12:41 PM

chasdal on July 25, 2008 at 12:41 PM

I am paying 4.39 (dropped 4 cents this morning) what I wouldn’t do for 3.85 right now!

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Fast tracking BLM permits. HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

**Breaths**

HAHHAHAHHAAAAA HAHAHHAHAAAAA

I can’t breath!

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM

And some folks want the government to control health care.

Johan Klaus on July 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Grow Fins up.

The facts about ANWR are slowly reaching the public, in spite of MSM misdirection and obfuscation.

hillbillyjim on July 25, 2008 at 12:48 PM

jencab on July 25, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Yep.

I don’t think Maverick is dumb enough to actually run Lieberman or Ridge, so I guess it’ll be a race between Mitt and Pawlenty to see who can forget everything they ever said about ANWR.

(Insert Romney joke here) ;)

Mr. Wednesday Night on July 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM

In 1997, between 1,000-1,500 recreational visitors actually spent time within the 19 million acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), a region the size of the State of South Carolina.

And we are holding the energy needs of our country, hostage for a couple of thousand people.

Johan Klaus on July 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM

ouch!! i never got over $3.90/gallon here in Dallas. i use the 87 octane stuff and have a 26 gallon tank so i can go awhile in between fillups.

chasdal on July 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Which means Palin’s stock is at 0.01 I suppose.

Limerick on July 25, 2008 at 11:39 AM

I don’t think Palin is in serious contention. I never hear her name mentioned other than on the blogs. Perhaps she took herself out of the running, or she failed vetting, or something. It’s looking like it’s down to Pawlenty, Ridge, or Romney.

Outlander on July 25, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Me: Will McCain reconsider his opposition in drilling in ANWR? No, he remains committed to protecting ANWR, saying “refuge” is there for a reason. There are over 20 billion barrels proven in the OCS and a lot more in shale.

Ha! No surprise there. Nancy Pelosi would be proud of you Maverick!

Zorro on July 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM

All this from the highly credentialled biologist Ed Morrissey.

Grow Fins on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Because, as anyone with even a single course of logic or science knows; the validity of a statement is solely based on the credentials of who said it. It’s a logical fallacy.

Whereas if something were said by someone with the proper credentials, it would be true regardless what was said, by the simple logical fallacy of an “Appeal to Authority”.

I need a dictionary, but I think “fallacy” is like a “proof” in mathematics, in that it defines a real statement… I’ll want to double check this; but I’m pretty sure my argument is fallacious here as well.

Sorry for any typos, I was laughing pretty hard typing some of this.

gekkobear on July 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM

chasdal on July 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Alaska run down of Gasoline per city Thursday 7/24/08 (as I just did a 900 mile sprint up and dow the Parks Hwy to Fairbanks:

Anchorage: 4.44
Palmer: 4.52
Wasilla: 4.52
Talkeetna: 4.58
Cantwell: 5.74
Healy: 4.99
Nenana: could not see it
Fairbanks: 4.47

Someone tell me I don’t need some damn relief! I won’t tell you how much I spent on gas either.. I want to cry myself.

Johan Klaus on July 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Makes me wonder if old school and old fashioned learning on Medicine and Doctoralship with house calls are going to come back from the grave. Healthcare is another item I don’t wanna talk about right now…

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 1:02 PM

I’m no fan of McCain, but at least he is sticking to what he believes in, regardless of popularity. Unlike Obama…

revolutionismyname on July 25, 2008 at 1:07 PM

In an energy Physics class I took a few terms ago, we had to read and write a book report on a book entitled “The End of Oil”. From the first paragraph of the book, I knew where this guy was heading. While there is a lot of useful information about oil, n.g., and these so-called “alternative” energies, they are all framed around a single narrative. The narrative being that we’re running out of oil, more so than we believe, and we must get off of it quick! Oh and the US uses XX amount of oil but only has XX people. And we need to use alternative energies but none of them are really promising. Yakkity Yak Yak.

In the class we also went over the different types of energy we use to power our homes, oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear, and the alternatives wind and solar. I came to learn that the US has something between 800-1000 years worth of radioactive material to use in nuke plants (based on current consumption). It was very interesting class, and the teacher encouraged us to speak up and present our arguments. It was a mostly-left p.o.v. about the way the world of energy works and should head.

(pssst Wind and solar power are not as great as we have been lead to believe. You would be amazed at the size of the area we would need to set aside to produce adequate amounts of power from wind. As far as solar is concerned, oil companies put a lot of investment in them in the 70′s and were burned, hard, by its lack of progress. And you wonder why oil companies don’t invest much in alternative energies. They already have, and the results haven’t been worth the billions of dollars they have put into it.)

Weebork on July 25, 2008 at 1:09 PM

I’m no fan of McCain, but at least he is sticking to what he believes in, regardless of popularity. Unlike Obama…

revolutionismyname on July 25, 2008 at 1:07 PM

If what McCain believes in is horseshit (ie, ANWR) and he revels in his ignorance while either being either too obstinate or, more likely, too stupid to ever change it, then sticking to his erroneous beliefs is simply not a badge of honor.

If he wants to win against BHO, he needs to chuck the greenie-weenie crap during this oil crisis.

TexasJew on July 25, 2008 at 1:19 PM

TexasJew on July 25, 2008 at 1:19 PM

TJ, you can’t make people believe something they have never seen and aren’t able to bring themselves to looking.

You and I both know those ypes of people… and just wish we could smack them back into reality.

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM

As long as McCain is touting cap and trade and still shilling global warming propaganda, his energy policy is all wet.

If you restrict your carbon emissions, you can’t use or get more carbon based fuels. You’ve just hamstrung your OCS stance, and handicapped any other energy production.

His AGW policy goes to the heart of his economics too. You can’t expect a vibrant economy or abundant energy when you are capping a significant byproduct of both.

HELLO?! IS THIS THING ON?!!!

catmman on July 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM

All this from the highly credentialled biologist Ed Morrissey.

Grow Fins on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

How exactly does Al Gore’s Powerpoint Presentation qualifies him?

catmman on July 25, 2008 at 1:28 PM

All this from the highly credentialled biologist Ed Morrissey.

Grow Fins on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Dictatorship of the Proletariat => Dictatorship of the Credentialled

silverfox on July 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Global CO2 levels peaked and leveled off in 1998. If the US is chugging along, China and India is rapidly expanding their economies, ergo they’re burning more fuel, ergo they’re releasing more CO2, how can global levels of CO2 level off?

One thing we all have to remember about historical levels of CO2 versus temperature is that the levels of CO2 rose and fell after temperatures. Temperatures preceded CO2 levels, not the other way around. Proponents of man-made global warming fail to grasp this point (whether its intentional or not is irrelevant). By the way, CO2 levels always lag behind global temperatures by hundreds of years.

So with this in mind, it nearly fails me as to why smart people that we rely on in Congress, and we know who they are, continue to accept the CO2 premise.

Weebork on July 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM

I am paying 4.39 (dropped 4 cents this morning) what I wouldn’t do for 3.85 right now!

upinak

Come to Lynchburg, VA where it’s 3.83 a gallon. All I can say is that I’m grateful. We paid 4.27 in Michigan 2 weeks ago.

acleaver on July 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM

catman, silverfox,

gekkobear made a rather good point regarding Grow Fins’ post. It is an Appeal to Authority fallacy. Even if he was having a good time about it.

Party on, Wayne!

Weebork on July 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM

upinak,

Last night I drove past an ARCO station with 4.25.**

**Shhhh it can’t be because President Bush released federal restrictions on drilling. There is no connection between the potential for increased supply (futures) and the price of oil (futures)! Lies! Lies!

Weebork on July 25, 2008 at 1:42 PM

In 1997, between 1,000-1,500 recreational visitors actually spent time within the 19 million acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), a region the size of the State of South Carolina.
And we are holding the energy needs of our country, hostage for a couple of thousand people.

Johan Klaus on July 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM

The area that would be drilled is so tiny that it would have no effect on the visitors to the refuge.

AZCoyote on July 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM

All this from the highly credentialled biologist Ed Morrissey.

Grow Fins on July 25, 2008 at 11:42 AM

As contrasted with, say, the highly-credentialed climatologist Al Gore?

AZCoyote on July 25, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Why is it suddenly so important to get John McCain to flip on ANWR? Do you not realize that if he does, this far into the campaign, the story THEN becomes “the biggest McCain flip-flop yet”, NOT “Democrats’ energy policies are harming America”?

McCain can legitimately say that ANWR has been debated ad nauseam in Congress and has never achieved a majority, even when Republicans controlled the Congress and the White House. There is simply zero chance that a President McCain would be able to get it through a Democrat-controlled Congress. But Congress has not had a real debate on OCS drilling in decades. Other nations are getting busy drilling offshore, why aren’t we? He’s not going to win California, so he might as well pit the rest of the country against the rich people in Malibu who don’t want to see an oil rig from their $10 million mansions.

rockmom on July 25, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Most think Alaska is part of Russia anyways…

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 12:11 PM

I had a Russian teacher that railed on and on about how ‘Alyaska’ was really theirs. Good times, learned all sorts of interesting words from that rant.

I guess I’m lucky, I paid $3.79 for gas today ($.05 discount for paying in cash). Still, it’s killing us with my husband driving 300 miles a weekend… McCain isn’t even trying to get our votes, is he? I didn’t know Maverick meant being asinine.

Anna on July 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM

McCain may in fact believe we need to drill in ANWR but given his previous statements and the fact that it has become a symbol for the eco-radicals he can’t change his policy on it at this time. Perhaps after he wins he will have a change of heart.

DerKrieger on July 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Oil Companies should invest in underground installations and camouflage.

- The Cat

P.S. Anwar go Braugh!

MirCat on July 25, 2008 at 1:57 PM

McCain can legitimately say that ANWR has been debated ad nauseam in Congress and has never achieved a majority,

he could say that, but it would be a lie, since the congress passed it in the 90s, and it was vetoed by Klinton.

There is simply zero chance that a President McCain would be able to get it through a Democrat-controlled Congress

he’d bend over backwards to ‘accomodate’ the dems.

THEN becomes “the biggest McCain flip-flop yet”,

he’s already flipped on offshore drilling, whats one more?

right4life on July 25, 2008 at 2:06 PM

I’m no fan of McCain, but at least he is sticking to what he believes in, regardless of popularity. Unlike Obama…

revolutionismyname on July 25, 2008 at 1:07 PM

he flipped on offshore drilling.

right4life on July 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM

McCain also wants to transform the transportation sector. Tax credits for zero-emission cars would do much more than mandates on the manufacturing end to move Americans to more efficient models.

Ed. If I’m cold this winter, I’m going to sneak under the barbed wire and scrounge for dirty coal and burn it.

How does efficiency automatically relate to zero emissions? I dislike the combining of the energy crisis/climate “crisis” into one and the same.

I’m not worried about emissions. The air smells/tastes great to me as it is. Tons of old people are out and about. The climate/atmosphere is so hospitable to us humans that I’m thinking of taking my space suit off soon.

Get me some gasoline, or some compressed natural gas, or electricity for my vehicles. The environment is doing just fine.

McCain’s views are better than the Dems, but he’s still behind the eight ball. (Maybe we can arrange somehow for Lieberman to win a 6 month trip to Israel or something.)

JiangxiDad on July 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 1:02 PM

I have a friend who’s an old fashioned country doctor. Her office is in her home and she sometimes makes house calls. All of her patients have her phone number and she doesn’t have an answering service.

Oldnuke on July 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM

McCain may in fact believe we need to drill in ANWR but given his previous statements and the fact that it has become a symbol for the eco-radicals he can’t change his policy on it at this time. Perhaps after he wins he will have a change of heart.

DerKrieger on July 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Knowing McCain, it’s more likely that he’ll decide that the dangers of Global Warming are so extreme, that he won’t allow offshore drilling either.

Snake307 on July 25, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Told you.

and told you

and told you

Yet, no matter how many times McCain himself proves it to you; that I have been telling you the truth about him, many of you still see him as the only hope for America.

LegendHasIt on July 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM

McCain’s policy is a lot better than Obama’s. Any idiot can see that.

Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 5:42 PM

ANWR is not going anywhere. If McCain can get more drilling off shore and in other domestic regions, ANWR might well be developed at some later date. However, if Obama wins the election you will not get ANWR or off shore or shale oil. You probably won’t get more nuclear power plants either.

Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Snake:

That is not fair. You do not know anything of the kind.

Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 5:45 PM

I’m surprised the mccainiacs:

unwise_man
right2bdumb
carbon_foot_in_mouth

aren’t here to denounce the anti-mccain apostasy in this thread….

right4life on July 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Hmmm, maybe they are at a pep rally or something.

Zorro on July 25, 2008 at 5:46 PM

As long as McCain is touting cap and trade and still shilling global warming propaganda, his energy policy is all wet.

If you restrict your carbon emissions, you can’t use or get more carbon based fuels. You’ve just hamstrung your OCS stance, and handicapped any other energy production.

His AGW policy goes to the heart of his economics too. You can’t expect a vibrant economy or abundant energy when you are capping a significant byproduct of both.

HELLO?! IS THIS THING ON?!!!

catmman on July 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Exactly right. And the McCain spoksman says they’ve been hearing from “them frequently,” which which I assume he means the climate realists (or ‘deniers’ as the Algorites disparage them), but says,

McCain believes the bulk of the science demands action on reducing carbon emissions.

“The bulk of the science”? At this point, I’m beginning to hope that gasoline and home-heating oil will reach $5 or $6 a gallon, because if it does the ‘bulk’ of the US voting public is going to say, “To hell with your ‘global warming’ crap! I want to drive my car and heat my house, and I want us to drill and mine and do whatever else it takes to get the fossil fuel out of the ground and to me at a reasonable price!”

Then will the McCain campaign listen? If not, the shape-shifter himself, Obambi will surely have a revelation from on high.

MrLynn on July 25, 2008 at 5:54 PM

which which I assume he means

Make that “by which I assume he means. . .”

Why can’t we edit our posts?

MrLynn on July 25, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Oldnuke on July 25, 2008 at 2:32 PM

I was talking about doc’s that have no “school” training. The type that was educated on the fly yet was good at what he did.

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 6:05 PM

MrLynn on July 25, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Whats heating oil going for in the lower 49.

Fairbanks they do not go by the gallon, they usually go by a quota and you pay what they assume it will be.

Talkeetna and smaller communities like it are paying anywhere from 4.92 to 5.95 (this is not the bush) for Heating oil. The Bush can pay anywhere up to 9.00 a gallon.

McCain better think about coming up here…. maybe taking a gander. Stuff like this may be off his rocker because he doesn’t understand it, but people will ask up here. We aren’t afraid to tell him or anyone about problems.

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Whats heating oil going for in the lower 49.

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 6:09 PM

In our area (west of Boston):

High 4.8 Low 4.4 Average 4.639

I don’t expect it to improve a lot by heating season.

We use natural gas; I don’t expect that to be cheap, either.

Prices go much higher, and I’ll bet you’ll see a lot of people switching back to coal and wood.

MrLynn on July 25, 2008 at 7:18 PM

MrLynn on July 25, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Yeah, I have a friend who pays 582 a month (averaging) for heating oil. They use their wood stove more then ever now. 7000 a year for fule is INSANE!

upinak on July 25, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Bumper sticker for this winter:

Cold? Broke?
Burn an environut for warmth.

But I wonder… From a practical matter: How many BTUs are in your average Gore worshiper?

Sure; Al Gore himself would contain as many BTUs as a distilled Bruhathkayosaurus; enough fuel to keep a small town heated for four months,, but aren’t most of his followers dried up little husks?

LegendHasIt on July 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Snake307 on July 25, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Snake, I don’t think he means to do a damn thing on offshore drilling. His comments on it were tepid and felt more opportunistic than anything else. He said it should be left to the states to get offshore drilling going. He is more than happy to have the feds dictate what happens in ANWR, but the states should decide on the offshore areas. That’s a punt. The Governator came out a short time later and said there wouldn’t be any drilling off Collyfornia shores. It’s just like his talk on immigration. Say the words but don’t give up anything; he talks enforcment first, but he keeps Juan Hernandez on his staff and hides him from the media. He supports offshore drilling but leaves it to others to make it happen and he won’t change his vote on ANWR. Given McCain’s record on screwing his party and his base, I don’t believe anything he says until he actually does something meaningful. When he’s safe from the voters, he’ll do as he pleases. And again, given his history, it’s not going to be much we’re going to be happy with.

austinnelly on July 26, 2008 at 12:41 AM

I’m no expert, but isn’t it true that ANWR would yield more oil, much sooner than the other options?

All McCain has to do is tour ANWR, put Palin on the ticket and let her make the case for drilling. The Dems might try the “flip-flop” accusation, but it wouldn’t work. McCain would be coming toward his base, as opposed to Obama moving away from his.

Plus, debating the Alaska Gov. about ANWR would make the Dems look foolish and hurt them politically.

Why did I even bother typing that?

WE’RE SCREWED ’08
PALIN/JINDAL ’12

Mr. Wednesday Night on July 26, 2008 at 1:06 AM

Michael Reagan had McCain on yesterday..
He asked him straight out, if McCain would be willing to drill ANWR; McCain said: “I’m willing to look at and consider anything….”

McCain then went on to say that even if it were permitted today, it would take ANWR 20 years to produce one drop of oil, and that coastal platforms could be producing within a year.

(B.J. Clinton said it would take 10 years for ANWR to produce when he denied it back in 1997)

Then just a couple of hours later he again falls back to the position ANWR is completely off the table forever.

He is a liar AND a fool.

Now, Correct me if I’m wrong, but it is my understanding that every ship in the world that is capable of setting up the ocean drilling platforms, and the other heavy equipment that is necessary, is completely booked for the next 7 years, and that it would take nearly 3 years to construct new ships able to do the job.

LegendHasIt on July 26, 2008 at 1:21 AM