McCain: Hey, how about a Nuremberg trial for Bin Laden?
posted at 8:33 pm on July 25, 2008 by Allahpundit
Have we reached the circle-the-wagons stage of the campaign or can I get away with another jab at Maverick after the timetable post for him stupidly agreeing in substance with one of Obama’s stupid ideas? As atonement before we get to the critique, here’s a link to the transcript of McCain’s “audacity of hopelessness” speech to vets today in Denver, righteously laying out Barry O for his knee-jerk defeatism on the surge. There’s not much there that hasn’t been said over the past few weeks, but as a summation you can do worse.
Now, to Nuremberg:
Sen. John McCain on Friday said as president he would consider bringing Osama bin Laden to justice through a Nuremberg-like international trial.
He told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “We have various options. The Nuremberg Trials are certainly an example of the kind of tribunal that we could move forward with. I don’t think we’d have any difficulty in devising an international — internationally supported mechanism that would mete out justice. There’s no problem there.”
McCain said it would be a “good thing to reveal to the world the enormity of this guy’s crimes, and his intentions, which are still there.”
By all means, let us reveal this fiend’s top-secret intentions to the world. See my post from last month after Obama floated this turd of a proposal for why it’s so wrong on the merits; it makes sense politically at least in his case because he has to signal to his internationalist base that he prefers the criminal-prosecution approach to the war on terror, but what’s McCain’s excuse? Yesterday’s Rasmussen poll reminded us that Americans aren’t overly concerned about full due process when it comes to trying terrorists, and I’m reasonably sure the conservatives he’s trying to win over won’t be impressed with his concern for “international mechanisms.” Even worse, this constitutes a partial flip-flop. Via Ben Smith, remember this statement issued as a response to Obama’s Nuremberg comments?
Unfortunately, it is clear Senator Obama does not understand what happened at the Nuremburg trials and what procedures were followed. There was no habeas at Nuremburg and there should be no habeas for Osama bin Laden. Senator Obama cannot have it both ways. In one breath he endorses habeas for terrorists like 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and in the next he denies its logical conclusion of habeas for Osama bin Laden. By citing a historical precedent that does not include habeas, he sends a signal of confusion and indecision to our allies and adversaries and the American people.
Let me be clear, under my administration Osama bin Laden will either be killed on the battlefield or executed.
It’s only a partial flip-flop because McCain’s not insisting now on habeas rights for anyone, but like Smith says, if he’s promising to kill Bin Laden one way or another, what’s the point of a trial? A show trial only plays into Osama’s hands by letting him demagogue the supposed corruption of western institutions. Just lock him away or kill him, and let the media retrospectives about 9/11 that inevitably follow take care of “revealing” his crimes to the world.
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Obama bin Laden is dead!
carbon_footprint on July 25, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Why stop now? Give the people what they want, eh? I totally expect more of this up until the day before the election. Why not.
Jab away.
*Jab!* *Jab!* *Jab!* *Jab!* Felt good, didn’t it? *Jab!* *Jab!*
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Geez, why doesn’t McCain gather all of us in one giant room and just shoot us? Just do it.
Put us out of our miseries right now.
Man….
When I vote, can I just write in Ronald Reagan’s name?
Hell, then I’d be voting for his idiot son.
Teddy Roosevelt? Grant?
SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Yeah, just listen to what McDumb-Dumb is saying:
What an idiot, that McCrazy is saying, right Steve-O?
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Go ahead, wise_man, call AP a liberal Obamakin and send him off to Daily KOS and Huffington Post. You know ya’ wanna.
FloatingRock on July 25, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Hey, dude, don’t let my not saying that from your fantasy that I did, huh?
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 8:45 PM
What an asshole…Really…Lemme get this right, UBL kills over 2500 americans wounds another 6000 and McAmnesty is worried about creating an “internationally supported mechanism that would mete out justice.”
like a said at the beginning
What an asshole…
slaphappy on July 25, 2008 at 8:45 PM
I wouldn’t call Nuremberg a trial that cared much for habeas rights.
bnelson44 on July 25, 2008 at 8:47 PM
But I didn’t call him an idiot or any other name. I lamented the fact that he’s undercutting his previously stated position.
He is directly contradicting his previous statements about how he’ll handle Bin Laden.
He said: “Let me be clear, under my administration Osama bin Laden will either be killed on the battlefield or executed.”
No international tribunal will allow the death penalty to be handed out against Bin Laden.
Second, Bin Laden committed crimes against the US. Not the world. There is no need for a world court to decide on his guilt or innocence.
This is a bad idea on many levels and it’s undercutting his previous comments.
SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 8:48 PM
This is why they put those Botts’ dots on the center stripe.
I’m trying, John. Trying hard to keep my spirits up. Give a fella a chance, will ya?
Limerick on July 25, 2008 at 8:48 PM
John McCain, a one man circular firing squad all firing towards the center.
Conservatives standing outside grimacing at each shot and each fallen opportunity.
Or a mad man playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded revolver.
Either one or both.
Jeez John pick a VP, shut the hell up, and let Palin do the talking or Heather Wilson.
dhunter on July 25, 2008 at 8:48 PM
I mentioned in another thread that McCain also said he would follow Osama to the gates of hell.
Truth is, I think it is more likely that Osama is dead right now than it is that he will ever sit foot in a courtroom.
But what do I know? Maybe he thought it sounded better than Hell No, I think we should shoot the murdering motherf***er.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 8:49 PM
dhunter:
How do you know that Palin would have answered the question any differently?
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 8:50 PM
How much more of a demonstration of the enormity of his crimes can be made? Do you really think the world would walk away from such a demonstration and, in one cumulative voice, announce in a rare display of international clarity, “WOW! I didn’t know OBL was THAT bad.”
Weight of Glory on July 25, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Thanks, I will. I forgot to include your classic “lying liar” accusation, so I’ll add that in there too.
FloatingRock on July 25, 2008 at 8:50 PM
This reminds me of an episode of Star Trek: DS9 where the Cardassians promise someone they’ve captured (I forget who) that they will get a trial, after which they’ll be found guilty and executed.
The point of a “trial” of bin Laden is to give a public exhortation of his crimes. The problem, of course, is that no modern war crime tribunal that I’m aware of has ever actually worked. McCain would never get the Europeans on board with the death penalty, and even if he did, the enemy would make a spectacle out of the trial just as Milosevic did. (Milosevic managed to drag his trial out for years, and then died in his jail cell awaiting trial…) If we actually catch Osama, we need to quietly disappear him somewhere, work him over, and then leave him dead by the side of the road.
Outlander on July 25, 2008 at 8:50 PM
What are the odds that an “International Tribal” would kill Bin Laden…yes, you guessed right…zero. They would put him away (for a little while) in a
penthouseprison in the alps until he shows some kind of remorse (‘I didn’t mean to actually kill any muslims..only the kufur..’)…then allow him to sue them for hate crimes (yes the US would pay that bill), then give him his own television show…yep, that’ll show him.AUINSC on July 25, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Steve:
The men at Nuremberg were hanged.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 8:51 PM
How many angels will fit on the head of a pin?
Probability of OBL ever being taken alive in any administration is zero.
TheBigOldDog on July 25, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Oh come on people, if the US finds Osama he will be killed. If however, the Pakistanis get hold of him the President of the United States might not be in a position to have him executed.
This is assuming he is not already dead.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Word
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I highly, highly doubt we are getting our hands on OBL alive. No offense to our SF.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Not all of them
bnelson44 on July 25, 2008 at 8:52 PM
If by “a trial” he means putting a 50 cal. slug through this POS head at close range somewhere in the Khyber Pass then cutting it off and bringing it back for display and amusement purposes then yeah bring it on Nuremberg!
elduende on July 25, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Somewhere in the mountains.
Ya,I copy,over,okay!
Everyone down,the MOAB is away,
Bill,have the dna kit ready!
Why,are we scrapeing for dna!
For the Nuremburg trial,ya twit!
canopfor on July 25, 2008 at 8:54 PM
elduende on July 25, 2008 at 8:53 PM
scratch that a 50. cal would not leave much of his head to bring back.
elduende on July 25, 2008 at 8:55 PM
So I also accused Allahpundit of lying now? I must have not seen that. *looks up* No. I still don’t see it. Must be something from your imagination.
Again.
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Why the Right insists on self immolation is beyond my comprehension. Especially when we are facing a guy like this:
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences – Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise – Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power – Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals – Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light – Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations – Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force – Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control – Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents – Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State – Check
* People adopting his name as their own – Check
* Inspires adoration art – Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory – Check
* Never plans on giving up power – Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac – Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments – Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through State service – Check
* Acts as if in power before he is – Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine – Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media – Check
TheBigOldDog on July 25, 2008 at 8:56 PM
First of all, your time table “threw him a bone” thread was pretty naive.
Why would you throw “hotline and lib talking points” a bone at the same time? Not to mention influencing and trying to hurt the morale when it did not warrant.
freedomplow on July 25, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Not all of them…
bnelson44 on July 25,2008 at 8:52PM.
bnelson44: Two by cyanide?And a couple were shot,
I think?
belson44,whats the answer,I’m not sure?
canopfor on July 25, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Yes, in 1949.
This is 2008. How many countries will join a tribunal that will hand out the death penalty?
My guess is that most foreign parliaments/legislatures (certainly the Europeans) will not allow their governments to participate in such a trial.
SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 8:58 PM
bnelson:
Oh yeah, there was a suicide wasn’t there? My point was the fate of those Nazis was pretty much a given. The point to Nuremberg was really to let the world know the enormity of their crimes. There were still people who did not uderstand the scope of the war crimes committed by the Nazis. If they had just been shot, their crimes would not have been so well chronicled. That was the idea. The trial was not for them, it was for the rest of the world.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:00 PM
So why would he even suggest this? Is he sucking up to the international community, too? Has he also forgotten that they don’t vote in our elections? When is McCain actually going to pander to republicans. I won’t vote for McCain. He pisses me off too much.
Blake on July 25, 2008 at 9:00 PM
No way would any of the other countries allow for execution should Bin Laden be put up for international trial. Do you really want to be the guy to tell the American people we aren’t going to execute the vermin?
doubleplusundead on July 25, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Exactly! Exactly.
I don’t see any need for it whatsoever. The world already witnessed 9/11 and their claim for it. We have the confession, let’s just execute the sentence.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Yes, McCain is by far the better candidate. It’s not close.
But surely you’re not saying that if he is running a poor campaign, if he undercuts previously held positions, that we shouldn’t criticize him for that?
This is a misguided statement by him. Especially on such a “hot” issue as the capture and treatment of bin Laden.
One of the reasons McCain is a better candidate is that he doesn’t engage in the worshiping at the altar of internationalism that Obama does.
SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Yeah, let’s have another kangaroo court with retroactive law.
GermanAtheist on July 25, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Steve:
My point is that if someone other than the US grabs Osama, such a trial might come about because we would not have custody. And there is no saying that Osama is not already dead or that he will not be killed before being taken. I think people are just driving themselves crazy making too much of every single thing that is said in a loooooong campaign.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:02 PM
First of all
freedomplow on July 25,2008 at 8:57PM.
freedomplow:Trust me,the liberals and terrorists are
probably monitering Hot Air, 24/7!
And the liberal MSM are doing damage every
day,literally on purpose!
canopfor on July 25, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Blake:
He did not suggest it, he was responding to a question.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:03 PM
The others were right, your reading comprehension is terrible.
FloatingRock on July 25, 2008 at 9:04 PM
This is a political blog where people talk politics.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:04 PM
I keep wanting not to vote for the McCain, but every time I do TheBigOldDog posts his list that, unlike angels who occupy space but have not extension, continues to expand every day.
Weight of Glory on July 25, 2008 at 9:05 PM
McCain is brilliant!
He is luring Obama into a trap.
Obama is going to get 10-15 points ahead of McCain in the polls and will be so overconfident that he won’t even know what hit him when in late October McCain …. …. when McCain … … when McCain … …
Well I am sure that McCain must have something in mind.
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Yes, that’s exactly what they’re saying. McCain is our Shepard and we are his flock. Baa ah ah ah ah….
I think lemmings are a more apt analogy, though.
FloatingRock on July 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Yes.
But he can’t afford too many more of these unforced errors.
SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Spirit:
I realize that, but people need to keep some perspective too. It has been almost 7 years since 9/11 and we do not know if Osama Bin Laden is dead or alive. We do not know if he is in Pakistan or Iran or whatever. And it is possible that in another 7 years we still won’t know. The election however, is going to happen. So rather than get all freaked out about something that is not even on the horizon, I prefer to worry about the thing right in front of me. Like Mr. Citizen of the World sitting up housekeeping in the Oval office.
There is a lot more likelihood of Obama giving into international pressure than there is of McCain giving in. If you do not believe me, ask the Europeans it is obvious they know who their kindred spirit is, and it ain’t McCain.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Conventional wisdom is that if capture is imminent Obama, I mean Osama, will martyr himself or his men will martyr him.
This kind of talk may put an end to that as the world court may just as likely release him as punish him.
It then becomes the capturing troops job to martyr him prior to imprisonment. Lessens the time table for extraction of information, waterboarding etc.
Oh sorry Johns against that also, how about some loud tapes of Hillary or an uncomfortable pillow?
dhunter on July 25, 2008 at 9:11 PM
1) He’s virtually tied even by these bogus polls in a year NO REPUBLICAN should even be competitive.
2) This election will be a referendum on Obama. The country knows McCain pretty well, particular answers to hypotheticals that will never happen are meaningless to everybody but us. People know McCain and where he’s coming from.
3) Our desire to kill ourselves and help Obama is INSANE. I believe this man to be very DANGEROUS. I would take 4 years of Hillary right this second if it would guarantee this man never get his hands on this country.
TheBigOldDog on July 25, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Steve:
Maybe he does not think it is an unforced error. Maybe he is looking at it differently.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Vote for me and when I’m president I will ensure that Osama is dead no matter who might capture him. Guaranteed.
FloatingRock on July 25, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Its only July,Chicken littles secure your bunker
hatches,still got till——————–Nov.4TH:)
canopfor on July 25, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Look, there’s a difference between criticism of McCain because one wants him to do better. One is supporting him and is upset over these seemingly unforced errors (yeah, I used that once).
And then there’s criticism by some quarters who wish for him to lose. Who celebrate – indeed revel – in his blunders.
I’m in the first category.
Patooey on those in the second.
SteveMG on July 25, 2008 at 9:13 PM
It’s an election. He is going to say a lot of crap a lot of you people don’t like.
Suggestion… Just because you are on your period, you don’t have to bitch about every little damn thing.
freedomplow on July 25, 2008 at 9:15 PM
dhunter:
You are not getting my point. If we are not the ones to grab Osama, what are the chances people will turn him over to us when they know damn well that we do have the death penalty? If you are saying that they will not execute him, will they turn him over to someone who will? Same difference.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:15 PM
If your mom was murdered 7 years ago, do you not want the murder brought to justice? The issue is still relevant to me. I think he might be dead, but if so I want confirmation. If he’s alive, I want him brought to American justice.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I agree. I think McCain thinks so too.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Spirit:
If the house was on fire, I would be more worried about getting out of the burning house than I would be whether or not my mother’s murderer was on death row or in prison for life.
In other words, you are missing my point. We might never even know what happened to Osama. He could be dead right now.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Crap.
I really liked AllahPundit. But now, he’s going to have to go to Kos, or HuffPo, because _man will NOT TOLERATE ANY LYING LIARS LYING ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN!! IF THAT SECRET OBAMA OPERATIVE ALLAHPUNDIT WANTS TO TRASH JOHN MCCAIN, HE CAN JUST GO ALONG OVER TO KOS OR HUFFPO!!!!
Oh well. It was nice knowing you, AP.
misterpeasea on July 25, 2008 at 9:19 PM
To coin and oldie but goodie: Stupid is as stupid does.
madmonkphotog on July 25, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Mccain is brilliant..
MB4 on July 25,2008 at 9:09PM.
MB4: I’m shocked,you found the anti-donte
for the anti-McCain koolaid! haha:)
canopfor on July 25, 2008 at 9:19 PM
I think that McCain is just talking about making the world see the enormity of Osama’s crimes. So many people have come up with so many conspiracy theories about 9/11. A lot of Democrats have said the war on Terror is just a bumper sticker. I know people who seem to think of 9/11 as something that we all over reacted to. I know people who do not even think that AlQaida is real. I think McCain’s point had more to do with addressing those kinds of issues, dealing with the fact that more and more people seem to think the war on Terror is not real.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Doesn’t matter who seizes him, we are obliged to bring him to justice, and if that means sending in our military to take him from an ally forcefully so we can put the vermin down, so be it.
doubleplusundead on July 25, 2008 at 9:22 PM
If I were McCain I think I’d focus on a lot of retail politics and Ads and avoid the media. They are going to do whatever they can to trip him up and make him look bad while the try to keep Obama from falling off the pedestal.
TheBigOldDog on July 25, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Floating Rock:
It might not be that simple. You might not even know where he is.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM
You fools,AllahPundit is setting up Moonbat traps!
canopfor on July 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I think this argument is misdirection. I think one can maintain two thoughts simultaneously.
The election is coming, but just because it’s coming doesn’t mean people should forget about the wot and tsa go out and hand out political flyers.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I’m more partial to the idea of a bullet to the head.
Zorro on July 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Well canopfor, I just know that McCain has got to be a lot smarter than he pretends to be. He must be luring Obama into some kind of trap.
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 9:24 PM
How much does Obama pay you to haunt this house?
TheBigOldDog on July 25, 2008 at 9:24 PM
It’s not a bad strategy. The more light on Obama the worse he looks, obviously.
So he should refrain from unforced errors just to make consensus points (as, for ex, the 16 month withdraw is).
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:25 PM
doubleplusundead:
Well then why doesn’t Bush invade Pakistan right now? That is where he is supposed to be. Didn’t Obama say he would go in if we had actionable intelligence? But then again, what is actionable intel? Been down that road before.
I think it is far more likely that Osama is either dead, or will not be taken alive in which case the whole subject is moot.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:26 PM
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
If you should see him, please do give a yell!
That demmed elusive OBL
They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere
Oh, Binny, how the Special Ops do implore you
Simply to come out from your taxi or from under your bed
With all your hiding
It’s a chore to smash your head!
They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere!
He gives the Special Ops nothing but frustration
Sink me! He’s a spoilsport
Each and every demmed capture
He cuts short
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
Is he in Pakistani or even in Dearbornstani?
One thing we know for sure
Hes going to Hell!
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 9:28 PM
You have to listen to what he said. Problem is, he said it in a way that’s spinable if you don’t mind being intellectually dishonest.
TheBigOldDog on July 25, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Because Bush said he wasn’t that important. iirc he reframed it afterward, but he said it.
Go figure. Sometimes I don’t get the guy.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Spirit:
I think your comment to me was misdirection in the first place because I never said I did not want justice. My point was that since we do not even know where the son of a bitch is 7 years after 9/11, chances are we will not know where he is 7 years from now…but the election is in November so I would rather worry about the issue right in front of me.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:29 PM
I’m not. It doesn’t mean it’s not a mistake though. And one that might hurt later.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Terrye 9:15,
I get your point, you are correct in this post . I was not responding to any of your posts, sorry just stating facts as I see them at 9:11. Which of those facts are disputable?
Don’t take my posts personally if they are meant to be you will know it.
I don’t happen to think John McCain is the sharpest knife in the drawer that is not to say I will not vote for him over a communist sypathizing Marxist, a big earred, vacuous, 1/2 and 1/2, who has less gravitas than a bag of potatoe chips, and thinks he is the savior of all mankind, an arrogant twit who has no past to reccomend his high opinion of himself, and who without a teleprompter reveals himself to be the bigger of the two idiots running for POTUS.
dhunter on July 25, 2008 at 9:30 PM
A trial isn’t going to change anyone’s mind at this point, and you’ll be enraged right along with the rest of us when you see how many people around the world will turn up at court in support of Osama who don’t care whether or not he’s guilty.
FloatingRock on July 25, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Probably not as much as he pays Allahpundit.
How much does Obama pay you, and “wise_man”, to dig McCain in deeper?
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Spirit:
Or maybe it is because Bush knows more than we do. McCain might also have more information on this subject than we do. But if Bush finds him and kills him before he leaves office, that will take care of the problem, won’t it?
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:31 PM
But the host country sure will.
FloatingRock on July 25, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Wait a second – what is it y’all expect? If Osama somehow ends up in our hands alive – there are many ways that could conceivably occur, like it or not – are we supposed to take him out and lynch him immediately? Sorry, that’s not an option.
If the event occurs, then we’ll want to take advantage of it, among other thigns by interrogating the hell out of him. A couple or a few years later, if he’s still alive, then we’ll have to put him on trial, and international interest, not to mention American interest, will be huge. He may even confess, but, even if he doesn’t, it would be a chance, among other things, to remind the huge percentages of truthers in the US and especially other countries of his guilt, and also of the enormity of crimes that go well beyond 9/11.
Not only is McCain’s answer correct, it’s the only answer. And, as others have noted, the Nuremberg Trials did include capital punishment. If the Euros refuse to participate for that reason, then they can go hang themselves. In the Moslem world, however, capital punishment is still normal.
CK MacLeod on July 25, 2008 at 9:32 PM
So that explains why he hasn’t banned your ass yet despite spamming and hijacking every thread you can. Suddenly it all makes perfect sense.
TheBigOldDog on July 25, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Well canopfor….
MB4 on july 25,2008 at 9:24PM.
MB4: I do agree with you on that point,
Mccain,has got to respond,a lot more
forcefully,and a lot quicker!
Accusation,respond,counter,move on to
next allegation,and so forth!
canopfor on July 25, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Floating Rock:
I live about 50 miles from Terre Haute, the federal prison where Tim McVeigh was killed. I was not a bit sorry when they put a needle in his arm. I am saying that I don’t think that McCain has any intention of letting Osama escape justice.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Why argue?
It is a moot point, as Osama is long dead.
As are the vast majority of McCain’s brain cells.
LegendHasIt on July 25, 2008 at 9:34 PM
What relevance does that have with anything? I was answering this,
If Osama is captured alive by anyone, we’re taking and executing the bastard, I don’t care if the Europeans or someone else snags him. If they resist handing him over because they know we’ll execute him, we have to take him from them by force. It is unacceptable to allow a monster who ordered an attack on our civilian population that killed 3000 to live out his life.
doubleplusundead on July 25, 2008 at 9:35 PM
3nd sentence, yes that would be great.
1st sentence – So ignore what Bush actually said out of his own mouth, and instead let’s just assume he didn’t mean that; he just answered that way for fun because he ‘knows more’. I see.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:36 PM
CK:
Marry me. I may be mature, but I am a hell of cook.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:36 PM
“AllahPundit you magnificient bastard – I read your book!”
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Well, Pakistan is, at least theoretically, our ally.
And even more important, they are, not at all theoretically, in possession of nuclear weapons.
————————–
Too easy. My brother had an idea, several years ago: put Osama in a cage and let anybody who wants to line up and take a take a sliver out of him with a pair of nail clippers.
Of course, I’m vehemently opposed to it, on humanitarian grounds.
misterpeasea on July 25, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Spirit:
I heard Bush say one that he wished he had not said dead or alive where Osama was concerned. I don’t think it is about ignoring what he says, but it might be worthwhile to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has access to information we do not have. Secrets are not always sinister.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I totally agree with that.
But he said it wasn’t important. That’s not ‘it’s a secret’ or whatever, it’s saying “that’s not what the American people should be concerned about”.
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:39 PM
misterpeasea:
yes, that is my point. Pakistan is our ally, and that is also where Osama is rumored to be. So the idea that we will just ignore everything and go in gunsablazin’ to get the guy if we think he is hold up somewhere, is obviously not strictly true.
Unless the rumors are all false.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:40 PM
It wold be quite a shame if these one trick ponies would come up with a different act.
wise_man on July 25, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Yes! You have found us out. Allahpundit is a major Obama operative and I am one of his assistants. Rumor though back at Obama Headquarters is that Obama’s best, and most highly paid, agents are his deep undercover ones, like you and “wise_man”.
Well I guess everyone knows now.
MB4 on July 25, 2008 at 9:42 PM
I guess McCain thought that he ought to campaign for the Euro vote, since B Hussein is doing so well with them.
Someone let me know when the interests of US citizens are addressed … I’m really tired of this campaign that is designed to appeal to everyone but US citizens.
progressoverpeace on July 25, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Spirit:
Once again, context matters. I got the impression that Bush was saying Osama was not as important as taking out AlQaida as a whole. The organization was more important than the man. But I also heard that he was making a final push to get Osama. If he gets him now, you know the Democrats will call it a campaign stunt.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Nothing is going to pull loony conspiracy theorists away from their delusions. They’ll simply claim that we tortured the confession out of him or brainwashed him. Maybe his confession, if not the entire trial, was all done up at DreamWorks studios.
FloatingRock on July 25, 2008 at 9:45 PM
progress:
That is not fair, McCain did not go to Europe, he stayed here and he spent his time with Americans talking about the issues they are interested in.
Terrye on July 25, 2008 at 9:45 PM
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