Gender imbalance in math scores disappears
posted at 8:39 am on July 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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If you believe that girls fare significantly worse on math than boys in high-school tests, you would have been right — twenty years ago. Thanks to a concerted effort by parents and schools to get more girls in advanced math classes, the test-score disparity has completely disappeared, according to the National Science Foundation:
Although boys in high school performed better than girls in math 20 years ago, the researchers found, that is no longer the case. The reason, they said, is simple: Girls used to take fewer advanced math courses than boys, but now they are taking just as many.
“Now that enrollment in advanced math courses is equalized, we don’t see gender differences in test performance,” said Marcia C. Linn of the University of California, Berkeley, a co-author of the study. “But people are surprised by these findings, which suggests to me that the stereotypes are still there.”
The findings, reported in the July 25 issue of Science magazine, are based on math scores from seven million students in 10 states, tested in accordance with the federal No Child Left Behind Act.
The researchers looked at the average of the test scores of all students, the performance of the most gifted children and the ability to solve complex math problems. They found, in every category, that girls did as well as boys.
The gap still occurs in the SATs, but researchers believe that has to do with sampling rather than an actual gender difference. More girls take the SATs than do boys, and the wider sample skews the results. A similar gap in ACT scores vanished in Colorado and Illinois when the states began requiring all students to take the tests.
For those of us with daughters and granddaughters, this comes as good news. It also shows the power of parents in correcting educational imbalances without the heavy hand of government mandates. Earlier this month, the New York Times reported on the suggestion of expanding Title IX from sports to science, even though the two have nothing in common in terms of gender separation:
Until recently, the impact of Title IX, the law forbidding sexual discrimination in education, has been limited mostly to sports. But now, under pressure from Congress, some federal agencies have quietly picked a new target: science.
The National Science Foundation, NASA and the Department of Energy have set up programs to look for sexual discrimination at universities receiving federal grants. Investigators have been taking inventories of lab space and interviewing faculty members and students in physics and engineering departments at schools like Columbia, the University of Wisconsin, M.I.T. and the University of Maryland.
So far, these Title IX compliance reviews haven’t had much visible impact on campuses beyond inspiring a few complaints from faculty members. (The journal Science quoted Amber Miller, a physicist at Columbia, as calling her interview “a complete waste of time.”) But some critics fear that the process could lead to a quota system that could seriously hurt scientific research and do more harm than good for women.
I wanted to comment on this when it appeared two weeks ago, but today’s report on math scores makes this a better moment. Concerned parents getting involved solved the problem within the compulsory education system. In college, the choice of major is voluntary, as it should be. Unlike sports, the sciences do not field men’s and women’s teams with funding disparities. Any student with the proficiency necessary can gain admission regardless of gender.
Congress wants to set up quota systems that would wind up excluding qualified students in favor of those who don’t want to pursue the study, or who are less prepared to succeed at it, and only to satisfy an urge for political correctness. Furthermore, while 20 years ago a case could be made that compulsory education left girls handicapped in their pursuit of the sciences, those conditions no longer exist today. Girls and boys have equal preparation for these choices, and they have no restrictions on making them once they get to college.
Instead of focusing on bean-counting at the college level, Congress might want to look at some of the math curricula floating through public and private schools. Everyday Mathematics, for instance, is a complete disaster that retards the math education of both boys and girls across the nation. Educators and parents alike object to its imposition. If Congress thinks math education is within their jurisdiction — which I don’t — they can start by removing unnecessary impediments like Everyday Mathematics rather than worrying about establishing unnecessary quota systems.
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maverick muse on July 25, 2008 at 8:45 AM
I credit this to the fact that girls have been given preferred treatment over boys for the past decade or so, so obviously their scores went up. Or perhaps the boys’ scores just went down, which would be worse.
There’s nothing wrong with trying to get girls into math as much as boys, but that’s the key: as much as. Not more. It seems like we’ve overreached and put the boys in the dunce corner and told the girls how smart we want them to be.
Seixon on July 25, 2008 at 8:46 AM
carefull there are no hard numbers here. It could as well be that the boys have fallen back some and the girls have gained some. Or the boys have fallen all the way to the girls level.
With our education system I wouldn’t be surprised of the latter
unseen on July 25, 2008 at 8:52 AM
The cynic in me thinks that perhaps they are just equally bad at this point…can’t be true, though…can it?
Asher on July 25, 2008 at 8:53 AM
BINGO…..
Did boys get dumber while girls got smarter and why? Remember folks…LIBERALS run the school system for the most part. Remember how they operate.
wildweasel on July 25, 2008 at 8:58 AM
I am a young female aerospace engineer. While working in a field that is still extremely male dominated does present challenges, I firmly believe that government intervention will make the problems worse, not better.
Throughout college, people routinely assumed that many female engineering students were there simply to satisfy a quota — even though that was not true. So, in addition to having to face the sheer isolation of being one of but a handful of girls in the engineering college, we ALSO had to prove that we DID in fact have brains, and weren’t just there to satisfy some quota.
Encouraging women to enter science-related fields is a positive step, but MANDATING that colleges create statistical equality will do nothing but fuel resentment and create a hostile, suspicious attitude between male and female students. Affirmative action policies have made the situation bad enough already. Adding fuel to that fire does nothing but make it worse for the women who, through their own internal drive, choose to pursue science and engineering career paths.
redaerobaby on July 25, 2008 at 8:58 AM
Girls should be given the choice to take advanced math and science, but if they don’t want to take them, let it be. My mom (and school administration) goaded me into higher level math/science classes because I had the ability, but unfortunately not the desire for a scientific career. I had quite a few classmates who were in similar circumstances. I’m glad the numbers have gone up, but I tend to think Seixon is on to something. Okay, I completely agree with the second paragraph.
My husband and I want to make sure our daughter and sons have the same opportunities when it comes to sports and academics, but if my daughter doesn’t want to study calculus because she wants to be a linguist so be it.
Anna on July 25, 2008 at 8:59 AM
Sure it works, but isn’t it stupid to invest less in competent people and more in the incompetent? I wonder if there would ever be an Einstein or a Mozart if they would be trapped in a AA kind of system when children.
Aristotle on July 25, 2008 at 9:01 AM
Physiology tells quite a different story.
Wade on July 25, 2008 at 9:02 AM
Results are skewed so long as formulai are skewed.
To get realistic, keep segregated data quantified proportionately as it occurs, not as over simplified gross contextual inference due to lazy and incompetent thought from the researches who do not know how to really figure all the complexities involved in order to find a realistic representation of reality.
Regarding % of all female SAT score results as compared to % of all male SAT scores, what gives with more girls taking the SAT than boys in comparison to the population of American girls vs. boys? That’s another matter of interest for some sociologist’s equation studying “equality” vs. “superiority”…sociology being a waste of money. To each their own worked well enough before thought police dictated the meaning of life to individuals. Given modern informational technology, sociologists should become as outmoded as manual bean counters. Hell, sociologists tell us how to interpret our own world in order to dictate our lives while padding their pockets at our expense and the demise of the Enlightenment. They’re bozos donning caps and robes.
maverick muse on July 25, 2008 at 9:03 AM
(tough toenail typos)
maverick muse on July 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM
Why should Congress get involved in private schools? Enough with Congress with their hands in everything, public and private!
Spirit of 1776 on July 25, 2008 at 9:05 AM
That is one of the very reasons that Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was against affirmative action.
- The Cat
MirCat on July 25, 2008 at 9:07 AM
I guess solid geometry wasn’t on the test.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1967629
Kralizec on July 25, 2008 at 9:08 AM
I guess dumbing down the curriculum and tests has been a huge success!
Special K on July 25, 2008 at 9:09 AM
Female mathletes rock.
Dork B. on July 25, 2008 at 9:14 AM
could it be because more boys are on ritalin?
right4life on July 25, 2008 at 9:15 AM
So true.
“Oh, a woman, here? You don’t belong. Stupid gov’t mandates.”
jgapinoy on July 25, 2008 at 9:26 AM
Whatevs. Females are doing better in female dominated, female oriented classes? No $4@@? Dog bites man.
When we have a balance in male/female teachers, call me.
Public indoctrination (schools?) is a joke. Great that we’ve thouroughly equally decimated both American boys AND girls’ chances to be equal on the world stage. Good to go, liberal douchebags. WTF, over.
flashoverride on July 25, 2008 at 9:27 AM
If we continue to let “educators” and child “behavior specialists” cut the balls of boys and try to make them girls (gender equity) they will continue to struggle. Our society is telling boys and men that it isn’t ok to masculine. We turn them into sissies by demanding that they wear helmets and knee pads to ride bikes and skate boards and tell them to act like girls and then drug them when they act like boys…
sabbott on July 25, 2008 at 9:34 AM
I’ve read that there are more girls than boys going to college.
That could have something to do with the SAT disparity.
MarkTheGreat on July 25, 2008 at 9:40 AM
Ed,
I very much doubt that a New York Times reporter has the intellectual capacity to properly report on such a study. For a more enlightened commentary, you might want to read The Reference Frame’s commentary. And, note what insurance companies have known for many years: the variance of brains [among other characteristics] among males is substantially higher than among females. The mean values are slightly different, but not hugely so. This means that there are simply many more very bright [as well as very stupid] men than women.
Henry Bowman on July 25, 2008 at 9:48 AM
I love Hot Air, but I’ve gotta say that this has been one of the most depressing responses in the comments thread I’ve seen. Yes, our public school system needs some serious help, but why do so many of you automatically assume that that means boys still must be innately smarter in math.
(I’m a homeschooled student who got an 800 on the math section of the SAT, and I just don’t appreciate the sweeping conclusions made here.)
Emilie H. on July 25, 2008 at 9:50 AM
The disparity in math scores has disappeared because I am one female that is no longer in the sample.
I had to take math courses up through Calc III for my bachelor’s degree and I will never put myself, or the poor instructors, through that crap again.
bopbottle on July 25, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Regardless, we men will still be needed to open pickle jars and kill spiders.
I will say this…in the hard sciences in college, it’s still hugely populated by white males. We would jokingly refer to the one woman (or less) a year in the physics graduate program as “the token female”…not to denigrate their ability, but more of a whine/complaint that there weren’t enough women to hit on after colloquiums and to make “study groups” with.
Same with the engineering field. Forcing diversity is not the answer. Just open the doors to the best and the brightest and let the students themselves create the demographs, be they lopsided or not.
ynot4tony2 on July 25, 2008 at 9:56 AM
I tend to agree. It is not a “level playing field”, the scales have been artificially tipped to favor females. In any case, I wouldn’t give too much credence to this one report, which, by golly, just could have been written by women with an agenda.
Moving on – “Everyday Math” is the fruit of the University of Chicago Education Department, which is right up Bill “Distinguished Professor of Education” Ayers’ alley.
Buy Danish on July 25, 2008 at 9:56 AM
A. STFU
B. Why does this news threaten you?
C. My daughters were both in the top 5 math students through high school, and my younger has been invited to join some special math society at Notre Dame in the fall. And I guaran-damn-tee you they aren’t getting this from me.
Schools must be doing something right. There are always guys in the mix, too. There is no scandal here.
Jaibones on July 25, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Because they are?
Lehuster on July 25, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Emilie H., it’s because boys, in general, are better at math and girls, in general, are better at language arts. In general, not always. I love Algebra and Geometry, but they aren’t what I’m best at. You are a counterexample. Congratulations on your perfect score. As a homeschooling mom, I’m very proud of you.
Mrs. Happy Housewife on July 25, 2008 at 10:03 AM
BD, Seixon – no. Math is a strict science, and math class is a meritocracy. Either you learn it and know it, or you don’t. The only variable I can see that is worth looking at is motivation and discipline issues.
Boys can’t learn it if they aren’t in class, but that’s Mom and Dad’s job.
Fwiw, the two best math students in either girl’s grade were both guys – a son of hunagarian immigrants and a black kid who went on to Dartmouth (freak show smart at math, and a great kid).
Jaibones on July 25, 2008 at 10:04 AM
I see that Henry Bowman has already posted the link I was about to post, but I think it bears repeating:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/07/janet-hyde-boys-girls-in-math-not.html
Welcome to HotAir. At HotAir, we don’t immediately trust reports from the New York Times, the University of Wisconsin at Madison, and the University of California at Berkeley.
Kralizec on July 25, 2008 at 10:10 AM
In schools today, it is standard procedure to not push boys.
I am surprised they have not started making them sew needle point samplers yet.
TheSitRep on July 25, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Do you remember the finger-counting exercise in George Orwell’s 1984? The pressure to believe in the cognitive similarity of the sexes is like that.
Kralizec on July 25, 2008 at 10:23 AM
That’s a cute little girl. If she is up at the blackboard doing equations, the boys will get the answers all wrong. lol
Blake on July 25, 2008 at 10:23 AM
There are many girls who are gifted at math/science. However, I am very wary of a single study which aims to prove that they are wired just like boys. For this to be true, wouldn’t girls and boys also have to have equal verbal aptitudes?
As for math being a “strict science” the fact remains that some people have a gift for math, and some don’t. Those who don’t will struggle with it, no matter how stellar their education, or how much time they devote to trying to master it.
There are “savants” who have an uncanny ability to perform impossibly complex mathematical problems in their head. This is an innate gift, not a result of having better educational opportunities.
Buy Danish on July 25, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Of course, but I don’t understand the outcry from many here at the mere suggestion that girls may be as good at math as boys.
Probably so…
And for the record, I strongly oppose any quotas or other crazy government intervention like that. (well, that should be a given for a conservative anyway)
Emilie H. on July 25, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Excuse me, but the lede is buried. The finding was revealed by analyzing standardized testing data from the No Child Left Behind Act.
Yes, the dreaded NCLB, hated by both the right and the left.
Teacher unions on the left despise the legislation; they whine and complain that teachers just game the system by teaching to the test. Libertarians on the right trash the legislation, Why? I have no idea. I suppose you’d have to ask Bob Barr or someone smart like him.
In any event, after 7 years, we see a cognitive disparity corrected, which was the goal of NCLB. Gee, imagine that. Teachers actually had to put away their diversity curriculum and “teach to the test” which means, um, teaching Math.
To you on the left AND right who slammed No Child Left Behind, this news is the educational equivalent of our discovering that the surge worked.
Now eat your damn crow, deniers!
jeff_from_mpls on July 25, 2008 at 10:30 AM
I strongly disagree with Ed’s sentiment:
Reality is what it is and we should just accept it without the ideological fantasies. The challenge is what we do with the facts. What if boys were really better at math as they are at curling dumbbells? Why would that be tragic? Couldn’t we also accept that and go on? My guess is that ultimately the science workers will show some intellectual areas where men and women do on average differ.
thuja on July 25, 2008 at 10:41 AM
For those of you unfamiliar with “Everyday Mathematics”, and watch this eyeopener video.
Saltysam on July 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Sorry, but you could not be more wrong.
Todays math is given in the form of word problems. All of the tests now test this way.
Todays math is also taught using the whole math concept, and discovery method… ie… instead of mastering a concept, the hit it time and time again, and expect the kid to make the connections.
There is no such thing as “pure” math taught anymore, or tested for.
And I do know a bit about the subject, as my latest live in girlfriend was on the committee here in Colorado who WROTE the Middle School assesment tests for math…
And I have 17 year old twins, a boy and a girl, who have been educated in this system.
Give my Son a pure math problem, and he nails it…. yet my daughter (who is WORSE at pure math) scores better on the tests… anecdotal, but interesting.
Romeo13 on July 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Warm congratulations to you on your score and your mathematical ability. Although I haven’t read every comment, I’m not aware of any comment in the thread that implies that an individual woman can’t excel in mathematics. As for the “sweeping” character of anything said here, generalizations are like that; however, they don’t rule out variances or exceptions. As for “conclusions,” it seems worth your considering that we’re resisting an extreme conclusion and keeping open our many questions about the general similarities and differences between the sexes.
Kralizec on July 25, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Whoops!
Sorry for the incomprehensible sentence.
Here’s the video again:
Saltysam on July 25, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Okay, one more time. Apologies to all for my ineptitude with posting a simple comment.
For those of you unfamiliar with “Everyday Mathematics” and similar representations of the current philosophies for math in public schools:
Math Education: An Inconvenient Truth
Saltysam on July 25, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Sounds like the author has an agenda, to identify any belief in an innate difference between boys and girls with respect to math ability as a “stereotype”. I’d like to see more studies and more analysis. I don’t believe the verdict is in yet. Yes, I still believe the “stereotype”. I guess I’m a sexist, and a girlmathophobe, as well as a bigot guilty of prejudice and bitter, narrow thinking characteristic of a backwater, xenophobic, nativist typical white person. Or maybe there really is an innate difference in math ability between boys and girls.
Paul-Cincy on July 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM
P.S. Larry Summers lives!
Paul-Cincy on July 25, 2008 at 11:05 AM
College enrollment for males has dropped to nearly 40% of the student population. Standards havn’t really changed so what has created that situation ? I suppose most boys are just defective in some way.
In the last year my local public university, with about a 59% female ratio, launched a “womens study” degree which has some of the most lesbonic centric classes that one can imagine. This is a relatively conservative southern school. The press release announcing that move mentioned that the university would also launch a program to draw more male students to the university, but under no circumstances would anything done for that purpose hurt the females in any way. Haven’t heard anything about the program for the males yet. While all of this crap is going on the Baseball team is still in exile and has been playing club league for over 20 years. My daughter has had a much easier path through the educational system than my son has. That appears to be a growing fact.
JonRoss on July 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Thank-you both. The thing with these generalizations, is I worry that people will automatically assume I can’t be up to par when I take classes because I’m female.
I will say, however, that I’ve taken math and physics classes during highschool at a community college (concurrent enrollment), and I’ve never once run into anything like that, so I don’t really have any reason to worry about it.
Yeah, “conclusions” was the wrong word to use, sorry.
Emilie H. on July 25, 2008 at 11:15 AM
I think that any “outcry” if it exists is born out of a distrust of “scientific studies” which all too often are junk science, as well as a reasonable distrust of “educators” who allow political correctness to intrude into all areas of education.
We can thank the global warming alarmists for much of this skepticism, as well as “nutritional alarmists” who have made all sorts of ludicrous claims over the years regarding “good” and “bad” foods, as well as “educators” like Maxine Green (whom I wager that the Obamas hold in high esteem).
Buy Danish on July 25, 2008 at 11:17 AM
A. STFU
B. Why does this news threaten you?
C. My daughters were both in the top 5 math students through high school, and my younger has been invited to join some special math society at Notre Dame in the fall. And I guaran-damn-tee you they aren’t getting this from me.
Schools must be doing something right. There are always guys in the mix, too. There is no scandal here.
Jaibones on July 25, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Jailbones, first of all “STFU?” You don’t like something and that is your response? You must be a liberal.
Secondly, I am a female, and a school teacher. I can tell you straight up, compared to twenty years ago, the curriculum and tests have been dumbed down. Sorry, that’s just a fact and I don’t take pleasure in reporting it. As a teacher, I am ashamed at how our schools have become political indoctrination centers that teach kids what to think and not how to think for themselves.
Special K on July 25, 2008 at 11:24 AM
The fact that girls are doing much better then boys in Academics doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that in the past 20-30 years education has been geared towards, and dominated by, women, has it?
I’m sure it hasn’t.
madne0 on July 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Not women (or men) per se dominating but the political outlook of such person.
JonRoss on July 25, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Note to Ed…
Note to Commenters…
Can you or someone find the actual numbers [including sample sizes] so we can tell if the wonderful equality came from females going up or males going down?
I tried following the links but only found ‘conclusions’, not data.
LaMonte on July 25, 2008 at 11:32 AM
I never made any such assumptions about one person with whom I attended Tufts, Cornell, Vanderbilt, USC or the city colleges that were unlucky enough to have me.
I busted my ass for grades and applied myself with consistent rigor to my studies, volunteering and working. It seems to me that most people with whom I attended school also worked hard. I really don’t get people who assume otherwise.
Athletics and affirmative-action have lowered standards. But I have yet to be in a class wherein I thought someone was wholly unqualified to be there.
The Race Card on July 25, 2008 at 11:41 AM
I was fortunate enough to be able to enroll my kids in an independent (meaning non-government)elementary and high school. It has pushed me to near bankruptcy but I will survive. The elementary school was 100% female teachers and administrators. My son and daughter both thrived. The high school oddly had 75% male faculty with female administrators. My daughter had only one female teacher out of seven teachers. The men challenged and encouraged her through all types of science, physics, and math classes, as well as English lit. She adored them and she scored high on her college entrance. My son wasn’t quite as engaged but he did well. It really depends on the social outlook of the faculty. If you have a staff with a political agenda, as many school faculties do now, someone is going to get hurt. Right now it is the boys. Could be the girls ten years from now.
JonRoss on July 25, 2008 at 11:43 AM
There is always the possibility that I wasn’t in on the joke because I was the joke.
//self-assault
The Race Card on July 25, 2008 at 11:43 AM
My trig, AP Calc and AP physics classes were taught by women. My mom started college as a Chem major.
The Race Card on July 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM
What if this study is shown to be wrong and females are genetically worse at math? I think they’re great anyway. Even male gays seem to value women.
Isn’t this all about something in our egalitarian ethos that leads us to want nature to be “fair?”
snaggletoothie on July 25, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Wouldn’t word prolems make the test harder though? Maybe I’m thinking about a different type of word problem than you, but with word problems, not only do you have to solve the equation/evaluate the integral/whatever, but you also have to set up the equation/integral/etc. so it correctly models the situation the problem describes.
Emilie H. on July 25, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Why are women who excel at math, and the men who love them, getting so upset? It’s just statistics, and it doesn’t mean men are better at math than women. It means that in a room with 20 people who all have the same math capability that a majority of them will be men. If your lonely math geek, then this isn’t good news, but if your lonely math geekette looking for geek love then it’s a very good equation.
I read this article yesterday, and the results appear to be based on the “no child left behind” testing, and I have heard that this testing is so overbearing that schools have resorted to “cheating” such as teaching the test. I don’t place much faith in results based on that system.
DFCtomm on July 25, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Women are more nurturing and this goes well with the fact that they have milk giving breasts suited for the purpose of feeding infants.
…………TheSitRep, you are a sexist.
I know.
TheSitRep on July 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM
As often happens, this dispute is largely based on one’s own personal psychology. There are many on the left who believe gender roles are largely if not completely determined by society. That’s just what they believe, and nothing you say is going to change their mind. It colors their outlook. On the other hand, conservatives are more likely to go with their own two eyes and where the data leads. If they find innate differences in men and women, it’s not going to clash with their worldview.
You have a young couple, one of them is going to raise the kid, the other build the house. Would it be a surprise to learn women are better equipped to raise children and men better at building a house?
Paul-Cincy on July 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM
What percentage of their lives is spent breastfeeding? I suspect most women have more men suckling at their boobs than babies.
Sociobiology is passé dude.
The Race Card on July 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1164/873396209_bda132e339_o.jpg
Darth Executor on July 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Perhaps, but biology isn’t.
Buy Danish on July 25, 2008 at 12:48 PM
I think the places where you went to school might have a lot to do with the attitudes toward women in engineering. In the South, a lot of people have very reactionary attitudes toward the sweeping political correctness that has infected the public sphere. They feel like PC attitudes, quotas, affirmative action, etc are being shoved down their throats, and they resent it. So, there’s a knee-jerk suspicion of those who are perceived as quota-fillers. That is the kind of attitude that I encountered initially from many other students. It faded as I demonstrated my capabilities, but still — it wasn’t pleasant to have to overcome it.
redaerobaby on July 25, 2008 at 1:12 PM
But you did. Good info. Thanks.
The Race Card on July 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM
It’s about damn time. I’m tired of listening to the b***hing from women of “men are pigs”. Now, I can say when I hear that, I can say, Ah, go suck on your slide rule, nerd.
madmonkphotog on July 25, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Word problems bring in reading comprehension to the problem… somthing at which girls trend a bit better than boys.
So it is NOT a pure math question at that point, like we used to have on standardized tests.
Pure math is 2+2=?
Todays math is: Pedro earned 2 Pesos by sweating in the hot sun at a job White folks won’t do, and after working long and hard for ths evil capatalist master Raul has 2 Pesos… so how many Pesos do the two of them have together for the evil Capatalist nongreen business man to steal?
Romeo13 on July 25, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Than why aren’t we seeing huge numbers of girls in physics? Afterall, physics involves a lot of modeling the situations described. Pretty much all word problems.
Emilie H. on July 25, 2008 at 4:01 PM
If you teach physics as pure theory? Yep, pretty much all word problems…
IF however, you teach physics from an experimental practical viewpoint, kind of like I learned in the Navy… where you had to USE it and there was a concrete real answers?
Hmmm… just had an interesting thought… historicly Men were hunters, women gatherers (which is still pretty much true in how we shop)… The whole math everyday math concept teaches a bunch of concepts at various times, revisiting them to get to higher concepts…
Old math was taught ONCE in depth, and you were expected to master that concept before moving on to the next…
New Math? you gather concepts, and put them together… ole Math, you hunted it down and killed it…
Have to think on this one a bit.
Romeo13 on July 25, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Oh, and I was talking about standardized tests… you can’t really perform an experiment on a test…
Romeo13 on July 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM
That’s a pity.
In my highschool days (schools were the only good thing in communism because nothing was optional) we, the girls, had to file a hammer from a block of metal, then make the handle…finish the product. Boys had to learn how to cook some things, and how to sew buttons on shirts. Girls had to learn math, like the boys did. Physical ed was separate and not equal. Sciences and humanities subject were totally equal.
I’m eternally thankful for that phase of my education.
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Sciences and humanities subjects, in the plural…
Entelechy on July 25, 2008 at 9:05 PM
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