adichter@knesset.gov.il

Make sure you write him and let him know that Druze and Islam are the same religion. I am sure he will apreciate the information so he doesn’t make the same mistake again.

Imbecile.

Druze is a full offshoot of Islam

So what. All religions are offshoots of other religions. This does not make them the same religion. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. Does that mean Christians are Jews? How do you feel about Avi Dichter thinking that Islam and Druze are different religions? Stop being an imbecile.

Do you not understand that Muslims take part in all forms of groups?

When an Arab makes a choice to join a resistance group, the religious, practicing Muslim will make the choice to join Hamas rather than the PFLP. The secular Arab will join the PFLP. Stop being an imbecile.

Kuntar is a communist. We were talking about communist Muslims. Show me a reference that describes either Nassar or Gaddafi as communists. Imbecile.

The MEK was not responsible for the hostage crisis

Do you know a guy named John McCain? At his request, the FBI wrote a report on the MEK which was given to the 103rd Congress (Go to thomas.gov/ , click on Congressional Record, then on 103rd Congress, and search “MEK”. Results = “Supporting the Right Opposition Groups in Iran and Iraq”)

From that report:

“MEK perpetrated bombings and assassinations, after the aborted maiden effort in 1971, resumed in 1972. The organization’s targets included US military advisors stationed in Iran. For example, the MEK claimed responsibility for the assassination of US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Lewis Hawkins in 1973, the assassination of US Air Force Colonel Paul Schaeffer in 1975, and the assassination of US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jack Turner, also in 1975. The MEK also targeted US civilians associated with defense projects (five killed in 1976)…the MEK was also intimately involved in the takeover of the American Embassy in Tehran in 1979. Eyewitnesses and MEK documents indicate that the MEK led the assault on the Embassy and then pleaded with Khomeini not to engage in dialogue with the United States government, nor release the American hostages seized during the action. In fact, Congressional testimony indicates that Rajavi insisted to Khomeini that there was much more to gain by holding the hostages than by releasing them.”)

When I said that the MEK was a “primary group” responsible for the hostage crisis, I was thinking about the FBI report that was requested by McCain that said the MEK was “intimately involved” in the embassy takeover and that they “led the assault on the Embassy,” and that Rajavi pressured Khomeini to take a hard line with the US. Maybe I am just relying on BS sources.

And from Front Page magazine: “MEK members actively took part in the 1979 seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran, according to a U.S. government report.”
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={3B4C70D2-4729-4816-AB29-4D65DFFE0EB1}

Just another BS source, I guess.

Also, see the National Post article that says: “In 1979, the MEK announced that, ‘After the Shah, it’s America’s turn.’ And that same day, MEK members took part in the storming of the U.S. embassy in Tehran. U.S. hostages were held captive, with MEK help, for 444 days.”
(http://iran-interlink.org/files/News/April04/NationalPost170404.htm)

You’re an imbecile.

Druze is a full offshoot of Islam

So what. All religions are offshoots of other religions. This does not make them the same religion. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. Does that mean Christians are Jews? How do you feel about Avi Dichter thinking that Islam and Druze are different religions? Stop being an imbecile.

Do you not understand that Muslims take part in all forms of groups?

When an Arab makes a choice to join a resistance group, the religious, practicing Muslim will make the choice to join Hamas rather than the PFLP. The secular Arab will join the PFLP. Stop being an imbecile.

Kuntar is a communist. We were talking about communist Muslims. Show me a reference that describes either Nassar or Gaddafi as communists. Imbecile.

The MEK was not responsible for the hostage crisis

Do you know a guy named John McCain? At his request, the FBI wrote a report on the MEK which was given to the 103rd Congress (Go to thomas.gov/ , click on Congressional Record, then on 103rd Congress, and search “MEK”. Results = “Supporting the Right Opposition Groups in Iran and Iraq”)

From that report:

“MEK perpetrated bombings and assassinations, after the aborted maiden effort in 1971, resumed in 1972. The organization’s targets included US military advisors stationed in Iran. For example, the MEK claimed responsibility for the assassination of US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Lewis Hawkins in 1973, the assassination of US Air Force Colonel Paul Schaeffer in 1975, and the assassination of US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jack Turner, also in 1975. The MEK also targeted US civilians associated with defense projects (five killed in 1976)…the MEK was also intimately involved in the takeover of the American Embassy in Tehran in 1979. Eyewitnesses and MEK documents indicate that the MEK led the assault on the Embassy and then pleaded with Khomeini not to engage in dialogue with the United States government, nor release the American hostages seized during the action. In fact, Congressional testimony indicates that Rajavi insisted to Khomeini that there was much more to gain by holding the hostages than by releasing them.”)

When I said that the MEK was a “primary group” responsible for the hostage crisis, I was thinking about the FBI report that was requested by McCain that said the MEK was “intimately involved” in the embassy takeover and that they “led the assault on the Embassy,” and that Rajavi pressured Khomeini to take a hard line with the US. Maybe I am just relying on BS sources.

And from Front Page magazine: “MEK members actively took part in the 1979 seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran, according to a U.S. government report.”

Just another BS source, I guess.

Also, see the National Post article that says: “In 1979, the MEK announced that, ‘After the Shah, it’s America’s turn.’ And that same day, MEK members took part in the storming of the U.S. embassy in Tehran. U.S. hostages were held captive, with MEK help, for 444 days.”

You’re an imbecile.

Do you think that the people in the PFLP are Jews? Do you not understand that Muslims take part in all forms of groups? Because a group holds socialist ideology or is even founded made up of secular people does that stop its members from being nearly all Muslim? Is a secular organization precluding Christians, what about secular Jews, I am secular compared to an orthodox Jewish person, does that mean I cannot be a part or even found a marxist group made up of Jews? The founders of communism Marxism were Jews.

This is the only example LOL, sure it is. Gamal Abdel Nassar, the pan Arabic leader / failure of Egypt was a muslim socialist. Muammar al-Gaddafi? You clearly don’t know what you are talking about..

Libya – Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Republic – Population, 97% Muslim. A sunni Muslim country yet practicing fully Islam, and Socialism.

The MEK was not responsible for the hostage crisis, they perhaps supported the action since they supported the Islamic revolution, but calling them the primary group is yet another one of your fantasies. The Hostage crisis was carried out by hundreds of radical theocratic University members, all of a sudden it was the MEK? LOL.

The MEK was considered a terrorist group as a gesture to the reformers in Iran where the MEK is detested because it is a threat to Iran’s Clerics, this was in the late 90’s, this has nothing to do with the hostage crisis, keep making it up as you go..

“Kuntar is a muslim”

Really? Do you know Avi Dichter? He’s Israel’s Minister of Public Security and a member of Knesset. Here’s what he says:

“Iran had never put in Lebanon strategical weapons in order to release Samir Kuntar. By the way, he’s a Druze. He’s not a Muslim, he’s not an Iranian and he’s not a Shia.”

Federal News Service
September 6, 2006 Wednesday
PRESS BRIEFING WITH AVI DICHTER, ISRAELI MINISTER OF INTERNAL SECURITY AND FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE ISRAELI SECURITY AGENCY (SHIN BET), DISCUSSING THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR THREAT, THE WAR IN LEBANON AND TERRORISM (MISHKENOT SHE’ANANIM CENTER, JERUSALEM, 16:00 (GMT+3) SEPTEMBER 03, 2006)

I guess Avi and I don’t know what we’re talking about. Maybe you should give Avi a call and let him know that Kuntar is a Muslim.
Here’s some more:

“Kuntar, a Lebanese Druze”
Deutsche Presse-Agentur
July 17, 2008 Thursday 7:37 PM EST
“Kuntar accuses Israel of fabricating story of child killing”

“Samir Kuntar, 45. The member of the Druze religion”
BBC Monitoring International Reports quoting German Spiegel
June 2, 2008 Monday
GERMAN INTELLIGENCE AGENT BROKERING ISRAEL-HEZBOLLAH PRISONER EXCHANGE – PAPER

“Kuntar, a member of Lebanon’s Druze community”
Knight Ridder Washington Bureau
July 20, 2008 Sunday
“Freed Hezbollah militant becomes a symbol of resistance in divided Mideast”
BYLINE: By Dion Nissenbaum

“Samir Kuntar, a Druze who had been imprisoned in Israel since 1979”
Christian Science Monitor
July 21, 2008, Monday
“Reporters on the Job”

“The release of Kuntar, a Druze, has also exalted Nasrallah in the eyes of Lebanon’s influential Druze community.”
National Post (f/k/a The Financial Post) (Canada)
July 17, 2008 Thursday
National Edition
“Solidarity with the dead”
BYLINE: Michael Oren

“At 16, Kuntar, a Druze from the mountain village of Abey”
The Irish Times
July 16, 2008 Wednesday
“Israel, Hizbullah prisoner swop set for today”
BYLINE: MICHAEL JANSEN

“A Druze from a small village in south Lebanon, Mr. Kuntar is one of four Lebanese prisoners in Israeli prisons”
The Globe and Mail (Canada)
July 28, 2006 Friday
“A heartless killer as political pawn”
BYLINE: CAROLYNNE WHEELER

“In 1979, Kuntar, a Lebanese-born Druze,”
The Australian
July 17, 2008 Thursday
“Israeli coffins return in swap deal”
BYLINE: Martin Chulov

“Samir Kuntar, a Druze”
The Guardian (London) – Final Edition
July 17, 2008 Thursday
“Prisoner swap: Last act of a needless war”

practices it to such an extent he is willing to martyr himself

It is not true that you need to be a Muslim to be willing to martyr yourself. Was the guy at the end of the movie “Independence Day” a Muslim because he killed himself by flying into the alien spaceship? He didn’t look Muslim.
Did you know that most suicide bombers are secular? I doubt it.

Btw there are many Islamic Communists

You are correct that the MEK combines Islam and Marxism. This, however, is the only example, and comes from the nutbag Rajavi. Your claim that the PFLP is Islamic is ridiculous, and shows that you are an imbecile.

Did you know that the MEK was the primary group responsible for the embassy takeover in 1979? That is the main reason that they are now on the US terrorist list. Did you know that FOX News employs a member of the MEK? Do you think it’s right for FOX News to have terrorists on their payroll? Do you know that Congress quotes MEK members in the text of its bills in Congress? Do you think Congress should quote terrorists in its laws? Did you know that the US now supports the MEK to commit terrorist acts in Iran? Do you think its right for the US to support terrorists?

Hey, I know how Israel can find Kuntar! They can look up “Samir Kuntar: in the telephone book and have some commandos go pick him up!
Haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Samir feels that same about Israel.

I’m quite sure that he does. He’s wrong.

And one reason we were able to defeat the Nazis is because we were certain they were unspeakably evil. They told us. We believed it.

Samir and his brethren are telling us the exact same thing, but a large contingent of our population is telling us not to believe them.

I believe Samir. And I want Samir and people who think like him, dead. Before they can act on their beliefs.

Btw there are many Islamic Communists, your ignorance, or should I say possibly selective use of reality is astounding. Go look up the MEK, Mujahadeen-e-Khalq, The People’s Mujahedin of Iran, communist islamists, go look up the PLFP, Palestinians with communist ideology yet Islamic, I can list endless examples of left wing Islamic groups with heavy socialist / communist ideals & ties, also many many westerners with socialist / communist ideals sympathize with Islamists in an unholy alliance, because there is a historical precedent for these common causes.

Islam itself has many parallels to socialist communist ideals, it has strong Marxist support philosophically, sharia law calls for redistribution of wealth, heavy social stress in society – do you even know anything about these things or do you just pull talking points off the Jew hating websites? I try not to respond to you Dave for the benefit of my fellow forum goers who surely tire rapidly of this back forth, but sometimes the audacity is just too much.

Who were the good Germans in Dresden?

Maybe Samir feels that same about Israel. Maybe you two have more in common than you think.

How can you carpet bomb only the Druze? or the PLF? Or are all Lebanese citizens responsible for the actions of Kuntar?

Who were the good Germans in Dresden?

We knew when to stop bombing when they were no longer able to kill the jews or any other innocent people.

I am sure that there were Nazi symps who hated the jews post-WWII, but they couldn’t do a whole lot about it.

Just imagine your wife smothering your son to death, because she was afraid of her entire family being slaughtered and that his cries would alert this Samir POS.

I would happily gouge Samir’s eyeballs out with my own bare hands and force feed them to him. I don’t give a damn about splitting hairs about how the story was reported.

Samir and his buddies have less humanity than cockroaches and deserve to be treated as such. Carpet bomb them all.

Who are Samir’s “buddies”? The Druze? The PLF? How can you carpet bomb only the Druze? or the PLF? Or are all Lebanese citizens responsible for the actions of Kuntar?

“The terrorists then stormed an apartment and took Danny Harran, 28, and his 4-year-old daughter, Annette, hostage after killing a second daughter, Yarl, 2, according to an Israeli Army spokesman.”

Regardless of whether Kuntar is legally resopnsible for the 2 year olds death, my point is that Israel initially made it appear that Kuntar had killed the 2 year old directly. Killing a child by your own hand is different than the mother killing her accidentally. The initial story was only dropped when the AP reporter found out the truth about the smothering.

What does our child killing birthday boy have to say?
"At this time yesterday, I was in the hands of the enemies. This time yesterday, I was still in their hands. But right now, there is nothing I’d like more than to face them again. I ask A…

Sure, “accidentally”.

He was smothered by his mother, because his mother rightfully feared that your hero and role model, would kill her and her family.

HE WAS THE MURDERER OF THE 2 YEAR OLD IN THAT CASE, YOU COMPLETE JACKASS.

Samir and his buddies have less humanity than cockroaches and deserve to be treated as such. Carpet bomb them all.

The story that Kuntar smahed in the 4-year-olds head is propaganda. When the incident happened, Israel also accused Kuntar of killing the the 2 year old as well. An AP reporter, however, reported that the 2 year old was accidentally smothered by the mother. If the AP had not discovered this, Kuntar would still be considered the murderer of the 2 year old as well. It wasn’t until 14 years later that the “smash the 4 year olds head on a rock” story came out – in the Jeruselem Post. Why do you think it took so long for the “truth” to come out?

freevillage:

Like who?

Me.

Like who?

freevillage on July 23, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Like Time magazine, like most of the Hollywood snotty set, like most of the liberal elite America apologists, like the lefty European rags, take your pick.

Dave 742

A lot of Druz seem to think they are Muslims, the Sunni’s and Shia don’t think they are dark enough though.

What sickens me is the liberals’ support for these scum and their bullsh*t cause.

Like who?

at least Kuntar is loyal to his people, which can not be said about Olmert.

Releasing Kuntar in return for the Israeli soldiers is seen by most Israelis as loyalty. Kuntar himself agrees:

“To tell you the truth, we envy our enemies, the way they care for a body and will go to the end of the world to recover it, and how they care for their hostages and will go all the way to return them.”

BBC Worldwide Monitoring quoting the Daily Star
July 19, 2008 Saturday
“Freed Lebanese prisoner voices ‘hint of admiration’ for Israel”

Man oh man, I want to chop him up to pieces with my own hands.

A sick, twisted, and degenerate people for sure.

Thats the Islam in him.

Kuntar is a Druze. He is also a communist.

A shameful reminder to not make deals with terrorists and their supporters
……