New VoteVets ad: McCain would occupy Iraq indefinitely, against Iraqi wishes

posted at 5:14 pm on July 23, 2008 by Allahpundit

Really? Scroll down halfway through this CFR transcript from 2004 and you’ll find him saying that if they ask us to leave, we’ll leave. Michael Goldfarb reiterated that position on behalf of the campaign just a few weeks ago. McCain himself has said he expects to have most troops home within five years. It’s a good thing the left isn’t capable of fearmongering or else I’d be tempted to apply that term here.

“That’s not what we fought for,” the VoteVets spokesman says, referring to McCain’s supposed plan for perpetual occupation. Exit question: What did they fight for? To have troops yanked out before the country’s democratic edifice is strong enough to handle the security vacuum?

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Where do they find these libtard servicemen?

Thanks for your service, now STFU!

cntrlfrk on July 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM

I guess using their “logic” we need to close our bases in Germany and Japan immediately.

CurtZHP on July 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

So this guy would rather lose? I am reminded of a great American.

Face the flag, son; take a good long look
What you’re seeing now can’t be found in any history book
It’s the present and the future so; it’s being written now
And you’re the one to write it, but the flag can show you how.

Do you know what it stands for? What it’s makers meant?
To think, to speak, the privilege of dissent
To think our leaders might be wrong, to stand and tell them so
These are things that other men under other flags will never know.

But, responsibility, that’s the cross that free men must bear
And if you don’t accept that, the freedom isn’t there.

Face the flag, son, and face reality
Our strengths and our freedoms are based in unity
The flag is but a symbol, son, of the world’s greatest nation
And as long as it keeps flying, there’s cause for celebration.

So do what you’ve got to do, but always keep in mind
A lot of people believe in peace, but there are the other kind
If we want to keep these freedoms, we may have to fight again
God forbid, but if we do, let’s always fight to win.

For the fate of a loser is futile and it’s bare
No love, no peace, just misery and despair.

Face the flag, son, and thank God it’s still there.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

It’s nonsense. But what else is new…

Asher on July 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

I was wondering when these clowns would show up. I hope they get put under the same media microscope the used on Vets for Freedom.

/taps foot impatiently

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I guess using their “logic” we need to close our bases in Germany and Japan immediately.
CurtZHP on July 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Kinda.

They have no logic.

wise_man on July 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

I have no idea why… other than being an observer of past history… but something tells me this guy is phony.

Now that’s not to say there aren’t real vets who would make the comments he made… I just have a bad feeling about ~this~ guy.

Diogenes of Sinope on July 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

If they were in-country, I commend them for their time and service. But I wonder what the Remf and Pogue factor is among these dudes?

Mike D. on July 23, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Where do they find these libtard servicemen?

Thanks for your service, now STFU!

cntrlfrk on July 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Even in a great group like the US Military, you will have a rotten apple or two. I can think of a couple of people I knew, while I was enlisted, that milked injuries to get an early discharge from the service when they decided they wanted an early discharge.

coyoterex on July 23, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Its kind of a silly thing for a group named VoteVets to campaign against McCain, a fellow veteran. Its actually somewhat confusing.

jimmy the notable on July 23, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Now that’s not to say there aren’t real vets who would make the comments he made… I just have a bad feeling about ~this~ guy.

You have no reason to think that and every reason not to: They wouldn’t risk running an ad with a phony vet when they have plenty of bona fide anti-war vets to choose from.

Some of you guys amaze with your willingness to level accusations that you’d be properly outraged about if they came from the left.

Allahpundit on July 23, 2008 at 5:25 PM

They should do a military headcount one day. It would be like 13 Obama supporters and 2 Million McCain supporters. Its always the same 5 people doing the Anti- McCain things yet McCain can get guys from WWII to today. I guess Obama also has the guys who call radio stations and say they served when they haven’t.

Rbastid on July 23, 2008 at 5:26 PM

“But Senator McCain would OCCUPY Iraq, indefinitely, against their wishes. That’s not what freedom means.”

And of course it is a lie. This is what McCain said:

The charge results from comments McCain made at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire in January. After a questioner told McCain that President Bush has talked about staying in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said, “make it a hundred.” He continued: “We’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That would be fine with me, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. McCain appears to be talking about maintaining a presence in Iraq, not continuing the type of war America is now fighting. He suggests it would be acceptable to “maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world” similar to that in Japan and Korea. April 2008

Nothing about Occupation. But a presence. And we had a presence in the Philippines. And they asked us to leave. Ad we did.We are not occupying Germany. We are not Occupying Japan.

Vote Vets fail. Again.

wise_man on July 23, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Slanderous.

infidel on July 23, 2008 at 5:34 PM

WAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Allahpundit on July 23, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Yep.

As I mentioned before, I was a Democrat–like most black Americans–while I was active duty. Two things woke me up: 1) in 1991, I picked up Shelby Steele’s The Content of our Character, and 2) in 1994 I left active duty and went into the Reserves and came home to LA. IOW, getting properly educated and being in the real world turned me into a conservative Republican.

baldilocks on July 23, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Allahpundit on July 23, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Of course you’re correct and I agree completely. But what may possibly be going on here is a gut-reaction to the way the piece was shot and edited.

The lighting, styling, camera moves and shot choices are somewhat creepy and inappropriately… what’s the word… intimate for an ad of this kind.

The video itself detracts from its content for no good reason. I understand how this could confuse viewers.

Gilda on July 23, 2008 at 5:37 PM

One, we decide when we leave, not them,meaning the Iraquis.
Two, thank you for your service but I thought that the generals and leaders made these sorts of tactical decisions.

bbz123 on July 23, 2008 at 5:40 PM

I just have a bad feeling about ~this~ guy.

I don’t like him whether he is genuine or not. He’s a liar and I don’t like liars.

peacenprosperity on July 23, 2008 at 5:42 PM

I wonder what their position was on the Democrats attempting to not count the military absentee vote in Florida in 2000?

luckybogey on July 23, 2008 at 5:42 PM

and came home to LA

Louisiana or Los Angelos?

If it’s los angelos and you became more conservative that’s very impressive. talk about an uphill battle.

peacenprosperity on July 23, 2008 at 5:43 PM

They wouldn’t risk running an ad with a phony vet when they have plenty of bona fide anti-war vets to choose from.

That’s true. It’s a Moveon.org amateur trick to go with a phony, not something a million dollar campaign would do.

Esthier on July 23, 2008 at 5:45 PM

ugh

becki51758 on July 23, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Los Angeles.

Not all that impressive. If being a landlady here won’t turn you Right, then nothing will.

baldilocks on July 23, 2008 at 5:46 PM

FAIL

rockmom on July 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM

“Pogue factor”
Mike D. on July 23, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Man, it’s been a long time since I’ve heard that reference.

Pogue = “Office personnel”

Semper Fi

1GooDDaDDy on July 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM

1GooDDaDDy on July 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Thanks for the translation.

Esthier on July 23, 2008 at 5:51 PM

[jimmy the notable on July 23, 2008 at 5:25 PM]

What walks like a stealth Dem organization pushing defeat, floats like a stealth Dem organization pushing defeat and quacks like stealth Dem organization pushing defeat?

Unfortunately, the VoteVets ad here ignores the advice of a General they wanted people to listen to back in 2006 and 2007:

Batiste appeared on The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer in April 2006. When asked about his proposed strategy for Iraq, he said, “Well, to begin with, I think we must complete the mission in Iraq. We have no option; we need to be successful and protect our strategic interests in the region; we need to set the Iraqi people up for self-reliance with their form of representative government that takes into account tribal, religious and ethnic complexity that has always defined Iraq. The Brits had a hell of a time with that in the ’10s and ’20s of the last century; nothing new at all. And we got to set them up for self-reliance so they can go on it on their own. I think we’re going to be successful. There’s nothing this country can’t do, if we put our mind to it, but we need to do it right. We need to mobilize this country and employ a comprehensive regional and global strategy.”

In testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives in June 2007, Batiste said, “Secondary interests are that our withdrawal cannot create a humanitarian disaster or an Iraq dominated by another state(s) in the region. This may require a residual force of up to 30,000 US troops for decades to protect the US mission, train and advise the Iraqi security forces, provide a counter balance to unintended consequences of Iran and a greater “Kurdistan”, and take direct action against residual Al Qaeda in Iraq. We cannot walk away from our strategic interests.

In late 2007, he asserted that the military alone would not be successful in Iraq. On December 8, 2007, Batiste co-wrote an editorial in the Washington Post stating, “Third, the counterinsurgency campaign led by Gen. David Petraeus is the correct approach in Iraq. It is showing promise of success and, if continued, will provide the Iraqi government the opportunities it desperately needs to stabilize its country. Ultimately, however, these military gains must be cemented with regional and global diplomacy, political reconciliation, and economic recover — tools yet sufficiently utilized. Today’s tactical gains in Iraq — while a necessary pre-condition for political reconciliation — will crumble without a deliberate and comprehensive strategy”. He argues that at the moment, such a strategy does not exist.

(emphasis mine)

Dusty on July 23, 2008 at 5:51 PM

McCain himself has said he expects to have most troops home within five years.

With McCain never minding what Maliki, the head of a supposed sovereign state wants in any of this, of course.

What ever happened to fifty years, make it a 100!!! ?

Juan with the McWind?

Back in November, 2007 it was -

Charlie Rose: Do you think that this – Korea, South Korea is an analogy of where Iraq might be.

John McCain: I don’t think so.

Charlie Rose: Even if there are no casualties?

John McCain: No, but I can see an American presence for a while. But eventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws.

Then a few months ago with McCain it was -

“Make it a hundred!!! We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you.”

Now he’s down to 5 years?

It’s kind of like watching a tennis match up close between McJekyll and McHyde.

Joe! Joe!. Somebody get me Joe!!!
- John McCain

MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 6:05 PM

What’s with the freaky close ups? I couldn’t focus on what he was saying, only how he was saying it.

4shoes on July 23, 2008 at 6:11 PM

cntrlfrk on July 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM

LOL

Just strike the phrase “libtard”

Theworldisnotenough on July 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM

McCain himself has said he expects to have most troops home within five years…
What ever happened to fifty years, make it a 100!!!
MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 6:05 PM

MB4, look at the ninth word, now say it three times to the mirror, that’s right the word is “most”.
I don’t think anymore needs to be said…I think most people know you will stretch any thing to try to make the most out of nothing. When in fact this post of yours is at most… foolish.

right2bright on July 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

REMF?

catmman on July 23, 2008 at 6:23 PM

I’d like to see his DD 214 before commenting.
The Kos & Moveon types are not above presenting
this type of BS on websites.

Now, that youngin is not old enough to have been Drafted.
So, I reckon that he must have volunteered, if he served at all. Junior Enlisted serve where they are sent. Let me remind you all that we still have troops in Bosnia and Kosovo, courtesy of Bill Clinton. Now when is that mission over? We have had a comittment there since 1999 and still have troops there.

Maybe that young man needs to understand that back in 1861
a lot of folks fought for his ancestors Freedom in this country. It was the most costly conflict to date. I spent 28 years fighting for other peoples Freedom. In places that looked hopeless. His Freedom was purchased with the blood of generations that were sent into hopeless situations and prevailed.

He can save his nuggets of wisdom & complaints for someone other than me. He should have joined the Peace Corps!

old trooper on July 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM

MB4, look at the ninth word, now say it three times to the mirror, that’s right the word is “most”.
I don’t think anymore needs to be said…I think most people know you will stretch any thing to try to make the most out of nothing. When in fact this post of yours is at most… foolish.

right2bright on July 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

I take it that is your way of tacitly admitting that you can not dispute his obvious McJekyll-and-McHyde McConfusion as documented by what I posted.

You still have not earned any McCain points now have you? So sad as you try so hard.

MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Just because a person wore the uniform does not mean they have any experiences that qualify them as an expert on anything they claim. Very few vets have any combat experience whatsoever. This is not to be negative, but to be completely honest. For them to expound on military policies is not only arrogant, but presents them as a pawn for those who want to use their uniform to draw negative attention to anti-military goals.

volsense on July 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM

REMF?
catmman on July 23, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Sorry Kitty…that ones new to me too. Some help please.

old trooper on July 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM

I’m with you on that one trooper.

1GooDDaDDy on July 23, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Rear Echelon Mother ….

coyoterex on July 23, 2008 at 6:47 PM

volsense,

Exactly.

Where do they find these libtard servicemen?

Thanks for your service, now STFU!

cntrlfrk on July 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Even in a great group like the US Military, you will have a rotten apple or two. I can think of a couple of people I knew, while I was enlisted, that milked injuries to get an early discharge from the service when they decided they wanted an early discharge.

coyoterex on July 23, 2008 at 5:24 PM

The Demorats are keenly aware of their desperate problem with the electorate – that they are not just weak on national defense, but widely regarded as anti-military.

So they scramble fill that void and are promising all sorts of career goodies to any pansy from the military that is willing to sell out to the commie left, like this douche. Of great assistance is the undeniable fact that most of the GOP politicians are assholes, too, giving the reasonably cynical military man a lot to consider when offered these goodies.

But he’s still a douche.

Jaibones on July 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Rear Echelon Mother ….
coyoterex on July 23, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Thanx big Rex.
I almost got it right in my head. But was waiting for a conformation on that one.

Not a Marine reference unfortunately.

1GooDDaDDy on July 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM

McCain wants to use the military… to win wars!

Outrageous!

profitsbeard on July 23, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Thank you too Doc for that quote. I’d almost forgot about it.

Great American = “The Duke” 1973

1GooDDaDDy on July 23, 2008 at 7:07 PM

I’d like to see his DD 214 before commenting.

old trooper on July 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM

That reminds me. I may be able to save some of you some money although some of you may have already been saving it.

Over the weekend of the 4th Home Depot advertised that if you had proof of military service, even prior service you got a 10% discount. I bought some stuff there late on the last day of the weekend of the 4th and said to the clerk something like, “I just made it” and she said you could always get 10% off with proof of service, like a dd214, they just don’t advertise it. I bought some more stuff there about a week ago, showed a copy of my dd214 and 10% off.

MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM

MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Thanks for the heads up.

baldilocks on July 23, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Do Obama’s pinhead followers think we are still occupying Germany and Japan? After WWII, when France asked the US to pack up its bases there and leave, we did. That was not an occupation either.

Neither Obama nor his lemmings know enough about military affairs to understand that bases in Iraq would not be manned by an occupation force, but would be a passive deterrent to Iran and Syria. In other words, such a garrison force would preserve the peace. One might recall that after Khomeini broke Iran’s alliance with the USA, Saddam saw weakness and immediately attacked, causing a million deaths. Obama, having learned nothing from history, wishes to doom the Iraq to repeat that.

Tantor on July 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Exit question: What did they fight for? To have troops yanked out before the country’s democratic edifice is strong enough to handle the security vacuum?

Man, what a dumb thing to fight for.

BadgerHawk on July 23, 2008 at 8:07 PM

C’mon. He fought to get his “absolute moral authority” card punched.

DrSteve on July 23, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Now that’s not to say there aren’t real vets who would make the comments he made… I just have a bad feeling about ~this~ guy.
Diogenes of Sinope on July 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Maybe because his real name is Ensign Travis Mayweather.

wise_man on July 23, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Whoa, a political party front group misrepresenting the positions of the opposition candidate!?!

That’s not the America I know!

SuperCool on July 24, 2008 at 4:37 AM

Exit question: What did they fight for? To have troops yanked out before the country’s democratic edifice is strong enough to handle the security vacuum?

Excellent!

Wildcatter1980 on July 25, 2008 at 10:51 PM