Does this kill the Obama birth certificate myth?
posted at 5:45 pm on July 23, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Dave Weigel at Reason doesn’t think that a key piece of information discovered by a pro-Clinton documentarian will kill the cottage industry of Barack Obama birth certificate truthers, but it will convince everyone else that this rumor has wasted far too much time already. Lori Starfelt, a member of the PUMA movement in the Democratic Party opposed to Obama’s nomination, nevertheless found a birth announcement in an August 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser — and guess who the paper congratulates for their new addition?
Unfortunately, as Weigel discovers at the site that found this, it doesn’t stop the madness:
Well, that’s it. Game over: Obama was born in the States. Or… [cue Bernard Hermann sting] was he? This image actually comes from Obama conspiracist TexasDarlin, who appends it with 12 questions. Such as…
Although this announcement suggests his parents were married, that’s still an open question.
Have you noticed that there are no photos of Obama as an infant?
Barack Obama’s original birth certificate likely contains something that embarrasses him, or something that could be problematic for him legally, such as an indication of dual nationality. I STILL think he needs to produce a hard copy of the original Birth Certificate, or he looks like he’s hiding something.
The only issue for which a birth certificate is germane is the question of Obama’s eligibility for office as a native-born citizen. Obama’s campaign already released a copy of their Certificate of Live Birth which shows his eligibility, and the blurb in the Honolulu Advertiser confirms the data on the COLB. Obama has been confirmed as Constitutionally eligible for the office he seeks.
Undoubtedly, this will not stop the speculation among conspiracy theorists. Taking a spin through the comments and the trackbacks at the site, one title actually says in part, “Mystery continues.” Unless someone wants to argue that the Advertiser decided to participate in a conspiracy at Obama’s birth in 1961 to provide false citizenship on the off-chance that an infant from a union of a Kenyan father and a teenage mother would run for President, then I’d say the “mystery” is over.
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A truther by any other name still smells as in need of a bath.
DaveS on July 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM
But can the COLB melt steel?
lorien1973 on July 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM
I prefer to continue to conspire against Barack Horsemanure Obama if you don’t mind!
el Vaquero on July 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM
When was that? Or do you mean the document that showed up on Kos?
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Can anyone locate George Soros on Aug 4, 1961
I’m kidding
Win Win Win on July 23, 2008 at 5:54 PM
I question
the fontthe kerningthe sealthe borderthe paperthe imprintthe timing.wccawa on July 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM
The birth certificate is not a myth.
What the Passportgate findings are is a myth and the media, all of them, need to follow up, ahead of Nov. 2008.
Entelechy on July 23, 2008 at 5:59 PM
On the upside, the son of Norman Asing is eligible to be POTUS.
This entire episode is dog chases tail.
So silly and a colossal waste of time.
JammieWearingFool on July 23, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Didn’t they make movies about this back in the seventies and eighties? The Omen, Omen 2 and Final Conflict? We’re almost at the Final Conflict…
Rick on July 23, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Since when does evidence prevail over trutherism?
JustTruth101 on July 23, 2008 at 6:03 PM
How many wives did dear ol’ dad have? Was the “son” really Obamahammed, or was the real “son” killed and replaced with Obamahammed by a race of evil, flip-flopping, Socialist space aliens who build their spaceships from steel since fire can’t melt steel? Has “thinking” like this damaged my brain enough to be a Ron Paul supporter?
Master Shake on July 23, 2008 at 6:04 PM
That’s EXACTLY what I plan to argue! Now, I’m off to find a link between the Advertiser and the Council on Foreign Relations!!!
RightWinged on July 23, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Wow, an announcement in a newspaper, yeah that really puts EVERYTHING to rest./S
abinitioadinfinitum on July 23, 2008 at 6:07 PM
I don’t trust any of you.
(eyes darting)
wccawa on July 23, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Hey, the font in the August 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser looks like MS Word font.
faraway on July 23, 2008 at 6:08 PM
If you read this announcement backwards, you will see it says he is the Son of Satan and will rule all mankind for eternity with death and destruction…or it is a recipe for buttermilk biscuits….
right2bright on July 23, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Glad to see the Clinton supporters keeping busy. Everybody needs something to do.
RushBaby on July 23, 2008 at 6:12 PM
A-HA! That just says “son” — doesn’t name him specifically. Maybe there was another Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, yeah, that’s it — and that kid was born on the same day. Or maybe she had twins, and since only one of them was ACTUALLY born in Hawaii, they only reported that one… and this Barack Obama was actually born… well… somewhere else. Makes you wonder what ever happened to “son,” doesn’t it?
:tinfoilhat:
Ferris on July 23, 2008 at 6:12 PM
What Obama is trying to hide is…that he is actually George H. W. Bush’s son.
That’s right lefties, another Bush in the White House! Bwahahaha!
madne0 on July 23, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Call me cynical but before I could become a security guard i had to provide a REAL Birth Certificate, one that actually had a seal on it.. stamped and notarized.
Now I think running for Command-in-Chief and being in comtrol of Nuclear weapons is a little more important that being a Security Guard..
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 6:13 PM
I was going through my collection of August, 1961 Honolulu Advertisers today, and each one has the same page cut out!
They weren’t like that yesterday!!!
wccawa on July 23, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Since most here seem to think that it is crazy to actually require a candidate for President to supply proof of his eligibility, himself, and not through some unsourced image that just shows up on a wacky web site, maybe we should just have a Constitutional amendment to get rid of the ‘natural-born’ requirement. It doesn’t seem that anyone takes it seriously.
I understand what a burden it would have been on BHO to actually release the document … who could be expected to go through such hassles just to be able to run for President?
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 6:14 PM
The real hard copy birth cert for Barry probably says ‘ARAB’ on it or something he doesn’t want us to see.
Holding on to this BC cert conspiracy is way too fun with the B. Hussein obama guy, I just caint let go yet.
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If everything obama, truly everything obama, wasn’t off limits and so darn secretive I wouldn’t even bother.
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the 24 second SHOT CLOCK is runnin’ BHO…time for a DEBATE!
shooter on July 23, 2008 at 6:14 PM
No doubt, it about killed me to realse that information to make $6 an hour as a Security Guard years ago.. >:D
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM
I’ve not really been following this story, but what is the problem in verifying the birth certificate? It IS a Constitutional requirement.
I guess my question is this – did his camp release it, or is the release via kos. If via kos, o/c it should be examined.
Spirit of 1776 on July 23, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Next time you can just bring a note from someone :)
If they turn you down, sue under an Equal Protection argument based on the BHO candidacy.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 6:18 PM
I’ll just have Allah send them a fax or an email.. >:D
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM
The anti-Christ doesn’t need a birth certificate…Get Barry to shave his head. I’ll send Keith Olbergoebbels a bottle of Merlot if there aren’t three sixes under there…………
adamsmith on July 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Did you have to provide your REAL Birth Certificate to everyone you worked with, everyone in the community and everyone who had any contact with the company you were a guard for?
Rest assured that optaining his birth certificate was part of his EBI.
It just doesn’t mean they have to hand out every document they receive and or discover to the entire nation.
12thman on July 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM
obtaining even.
12thman on July 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Maybe Obama’s supposed dad wasn’t his real dad?
What if his real dad was Bill Clinton!!! ?
Or Jessie Jackson!!! ?
That would explain the resentment that Jackson feels about the son outshining the father.
OK, pretty far fetched, but no more so than the rest.
MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM
We need to dig up graves over there – I suspect we’ll find the bones of a female dog in one of them…
Rick on July 23, 2008 at 6:26 PM
So, now we accept evidence from a Democratic party member who doesn’t disclose which date this paper is from.
faraway on July 23, 2008 at 6:26 PM
So, I guess you expect that a President Obama will never bother releasing details of his yearly physicals or wouldn’t have to inform the entire public about any health problems that he might get?
We demand public release of many documents that candidates and Presidents are not required to release. The birth certificate, however, is a document of an entirely different nature.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with his Birth Certificate, but I also can’t figure out why anyone would not just release it. Can you?
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 6:30 PM
No just my employers that asked for it, and WE are Obama’s employers.. WE THE PEOPLE.. WE ARE ASKING FOR IT..
SHOW US IT.
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 6:31 PM
I can’t find anything on Google about Lori Starfelt.
faraway on July 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM
I think (not sure, this is just what I overheard) is that the only person with standing to challenge Obama’s eligibility for POTUS is either John McCain or the GOP. Either one actually filing suit would be politically problematic, to say the least.
/tinfoil hat back on
But really someone should demand it be produced because it’s obvious to ANYONE paying attention that there were twins born, which would show on the birth certificate. The truth MUST BE REVEALED BEFORE the currently-globetrotting Obama suffers the prophesied life-ending injury and his body is stolen. Once that happens, the currently-in-hiding-Obama will appear on the earth’s stage and all the world will believe it is the OTHER Obama, and thus fulfill the prophecy that the antichrist must fulfill that he dies and is resurrected. Since he currently-in-hiding-Obama has been raised for just this purpose, he understands it is his destiny and he is ready to take his rightful place at the UN as President of the World.
JustTruth101 on July 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Obama works for US, NOT the other way around, he is a Servant!
A public slave..
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM
I don’t know where you heard that but it sounds wrong to me. McCain has no special standing and political parties are not even Constitutional entities.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 6:36 PM
IT DOESN’T PROVE A THING.
AN ITEM LIKE THIS COULD NOT GET YOU A PASSPORT OR A SOC SEC #.
ALL I WANT IS PROOF: SHOW US THE REAL THING.
BTW: HAS KERRY RELEASED HIS MILITARY RECORDS YET?
IF KERRY IS HIDING SOMETHING THEN SO MIGHT BE OBAMA.
CASE OPEN.
reliapundit on July 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Try reading the link. It does include the date.
Hollowpoint on July 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM
huh? Did you have to show your birth certificate to every single person envolved in the hiring process?
I highly doubt it.
Yes his legal qualification for the job must be determined; and there is an organization in the government which does that. Just like there were people in HR or whatever at your Security Guard job that checked your credentials.
They didn’t then photocopy it and send it to every hiring manager.
Listen, I think he should just release it but these analogies people set up which pretend no one has seen the man’s proof of birth are silly.
It’s like me demanding to see McCain’s divorce papers to prove that he isn’t a bigamist and then claiming he must be married to two people!!one!!1! if I don’t get it.
12thman on July 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Seems to be a legit home address for the O’bama family, as Kalanianiole Highway is the main drag going around the east side of Oahu. It starts out by Diamond Head, runs east past Hanauma Bay, past Koko Head and Hawaii Kai, around Makapuu Point, then up thru Waimanalo before it ends in Kailua. I used to have to dodge traffic crossing it every day on my way to school in the 1960s.
Try saying “Kalanianiole” three times real fast. Bet Barry can’t.
Del Dolemonte on July 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM
No, most of us are saying “WHO THE HELL CARES?”
This was a waste of time from the beginning. You really don’t think that the DNC or Hillary’s campaign wouldn’t have fleshed it out a year ago had he not been eligible to run?
It’s a non-story. He was born in the US, he’s elible to run. There’s plenty of legitimate issues upon which to go after Obama; to persue this based on the unfounded hope that there’s something minorly embarassing on his birth certificate makes his opposition look desperate and nutty.
Hollowpoint on July 23, 2008 at 6:42 PM
I don’t remember either, but here is an interesting discussion on the law professors blog regarding the issue.
JustTruth101 on July 23, 2008 at 6:45 PM
I had to show it to my employers to be eligible for the job, we are Obama’s employers WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, so.. where is the real one, one that has been stamped and notarized?
I thought that Obama said that he would be TRANSPARENT and that Bush was secretive etc.. sheesh.. if the guy can’t even come up with a real birth certificate, then he couldn’t even become a security guard(obviously he has one he got a passport, but why isn’t he showing it.. AHHH AHA.. Maybe it has something on there that he thinks would hurt him politically)
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM
I’m afraid I don’t understand why it was permissible to question John McCain’s citizenship due to his birth in the Naval Hospital in the Canal Zone but it isn’t OK to question the Messiah.
Just produce the freaking certificate, or release the State of Hawaii to release it, and have done with it. Does everything this man does have to be beyond question? Is he that important? He wants to be President of the United States of America for G*d’s sake, the least he can do is show that he’s eligible.
I don’t know if there is anything wrong but the question is on the table, a legitimate question since it is actually mentioned in the Constitution, and he has done nothing to remove it. His attitude appears to be that ‘I don’t have to prove anything to you peasants.’
johnsteele on July 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM
OK, I see it now. The clipping is from the Sunday, August 13th HA paper.
faraway on July 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Yes. BHO said it. Allah said it. You said it. Good enough for me.
And there’s plenty of time to do them all. Calling a Constitutional requirement an illegitimate issue will probably cause you lots of problems in arguing other Constitutional issues.
I don’t expect to find much of anything on the birth certificate. But I am entitled to know that the people running for President are qualified, Constitutionally – with something beyond circumstantial evidence.
You think I’m being silly. Fine. I can live with that. But when you start poo-pooing Constitutional requirements, and embarassed to demand that they are satisfied, you get a view into the ‘living document’ interpretation. That’s how it goes, you know. Just take your view of this issue and translate it to a liberal looking at the Constitution (say the 2nd amendment) and then see how it all works out.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM
it’s like he’s dragging it out on purpose.. just to annoy.. and releases what he knew was a fake in the first place.
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM
H*ll, I had to produce my Consular Record of Birth just to get a firearm permit in Florida, I don’t think its too much to ask for him to produce his to be President!
johnsteele on July 23, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Exactly. Much as I dislike that Marxist skidmark, this is one thing I think “benefit of the doubt” absolutely applies. I seriously doubt Obama could have gotten much past the application stage with a foreign or faked birth certificate. Much more likely is he’s been given a background check which would have shown an ‘alien’ birth immediately. The Constitution is quite clear- native born only need apply. This is as much a non-issue as McCain’s birth in Panama on an American Naval base.
BillH on July 23, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Congress acted on that “non-issue”. So where does that leave us?
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 7:02 PM
I don’t give a rat about Obama’s birth certificate.
I only care that Obama is a Marxist. Period!
newton on July 23, 2008 at 7:09 PM
The point you’re both missing is that there is a vetting process to become even a candidate of a major party for POTUS. That process does not envolve delivering every document to WE THE PEOPLES’ front doors.
To believe that there is something in his BC which would disqualify him to become president, yet no one envolved with doing background investigations in the “CIA”, the DNC or the RNC has released said information you have to believe in a… massive conspiracy.
What’s in the document is most likely embarassing but so what?
12thman on July 23, 2008 at 7:09 PM
I’m with Ed. The only thing I care about is if he’s eligible to be POTUS. And, as I’ve said before, even someone as arrogant as he seems to be could not hope to bluff his way through a presidential election in the hopes that nobody would check.
Bob's Kid on July 23, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Could Obama have become a citizen of Indonesia in the 60s and renounced his US citizenship?
faraway on July 23, 2008 at 7:13 PM
But how do we know Barack wasn’t switched for the baby that was really born? :)
Dusty on July 23, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Uhhh… that is not entirely settled.
wccawa on July 23, 2008 at 7:17 PM
so if he produces the original and it shows the same exact info as on the COLB are you then gonna vote for him? give it a rest, you are as bad as the truthers.
and if he is disqualified hillary would be the candidate, so its one lib or another running.
chasdal on July 23, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Maybe that’s why isn’t not being released, it will cost him votes.
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM
No, i’ll say why the hell did you let a fake document get posted on your website?
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Next, on a very special episode of Maury…
RightWinged on July 23, 2008 at 7:24 PM
I don’t trust the Dems’ vetting process. Call me crazy. And most relevant documents are released to the public – though that never involves delivering it to anyone’s “front door”.
Massive incompetency, is more like it. I’ve seen it before.
Do you really think that he’s hiding something embarassing? I don’t. I just think it is an awful precedent to rely on “giving the benefit of the doubt” over specific Constitutional issues like this. The guy can just release the darn paper. Sheesh.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 7:28 PM
with photoshop we will never see a “real” one anyhow..
Hell.. Arnold should just run a POTUS.
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Why not? Very few here seem to care.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Thank you.
Jim Treacher on July 23, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Da Terminator would destroy da girly man Obama, maybe McCain should pick Ahnold as his Veep. LMAO
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Da Terminator could go to Germany and give a really good speech.. >:D
He probably even speaks the language!
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Why not? We are employing him.
Sue on July 23, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Has anybody heard of archiving? I want to see scans of original copies. Where’s yours?
You must not exist. You’re not a citizen of your own country. When you die, you won’t even be dead.
Aarrrrgh.
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Anyone else notice how Dan Rather and Barack Obama have not been seen in the same
roompod together?The Race Card on July 23, 2008 at 8:26 PM
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That would ’splain a whole bunch of things…flip flops would just be flip OR flop.
Wouldn’t know if he/they ever did say what he/they said was right or wrong.
Maybe one of ‘he’ wasn’t in that church for 20 years.
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JustTruth101, I think you’re on to something here.
shooter on July 23, 2008 at 8:34 PM
The real question is:- was he born at all?
OldEnglish on July 23, 2008 at 8:45 PM
YO:
what Obama is hiding may not be disqualifying but might be damaging.
and it might be something hillary didn’t want to touch.
her campaign made MANY mistakes, so those who say there’s no there there because hillary didn’t use it are not correct.
something is there.
just like kerry and his military records: obama is hiding something…
reliapundit on July 23, 2008 at 8:51 PM
This thread is hilarious.
baldilocks on July 23, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Probably…lol
baldilocks on July 23, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Which organization is that?
I’d be interested in knowing, since if there is such an “organization,” with ultimate authority to authenticate federal candidates, then this topic/debate/conspiracy theory would never have come about, would it?
Nichevo on July 23, 2008 at 9:10 PM
It’s a secret. :)
Good question, though, since 12thman seems unaware that Presidential candidates don’t even officially have anything to do with the elections, aside from submitting their list of electors to each state they are running in, and electors can vote for whomever they want – even someone who hasn’t been vetted by this alleged, secret organization.
People seem to skip over the fact that no individual runs for the Presidency. Only slates of electors run, officially.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I’m from Hawaii…so I know exactly where the residence is located indicated on the birth announcement…Today, it is probably one of the most expensive properties in entire country. It is not too far from the beach and is in an upscale part of the island. Not too bad for a poor boy who grew up with no father and had to live with his little old granny in a small apartment. Oh, by the way, Obama’s grandmother was one of the first female vice-presidents of Bank of Hawaii, BOH on the NYSE at $48.80 per share and an Est. Annual Sales of $788,848,000.
jnrz on July 23, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Dude… you’re suggesting that there’s something damaging there but Hillary was just too darned mild mannered and kind-hearted to use it? Are we talking about the same Hillary? Hillary Clinton?
Hollowpoint on July 23, 2008 at 9:51 PM
I’m really saddened that so many of this group of people here are intentionally ignoring very clear parts of the Constitution. They’ll be the same ones who complain about the lib SCOTUS members who ignore the Constitution.
Go ahead, cut out parts you don’t like. It’s alright. It’ll all be over soon.
ppcx on July 23, 2008 at 9:54 PM
And exactly where is anyone “intentionally ignoring very clear parts of the Constitution”?
There’s absolutely no evidence to suggest that Obama isn’t natural born and thus no reason to believe otherwise given that all the evidence we have suggests that he is.
This went from the (somewhat absurd) notion that maybe he wasn’t natural born to hoping there’s some little detail on his birth certificate that would be slightly embarassing though no fault of his own. No good will come from pushing the matter even more.
Demanding a birth certificate reeks of a conspiracy theory mindset, pettyness and desperation. There’s plenty of legitimate, important things to go after Obama with.
Hollowpoint on July 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM
NOT SO FAST – ABSOLUTELY NOT
Barack Hussein Obama posted an alleged forged birth certificate on his “Fight the Smears” web site. The same birth cert, with a higher resolution was also posted on the “DailyKos”. Both were analysed by forensic experts, as being poor forgeries. Photo shop tags are embedded in both image headers.
byteshredder on July 23, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Easily solved. Where is the orig.? Please produce it Senator!
sabbott on July 23, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Obama’s mom wouldn’t have been a legal citizen until she was 21 in 1961
tomas on July 23, 2008 at 10:35 PM
To you, maybe. To me it reeks of Constitutionality. But, then I’m just a petty, desperate conspiracy theorist.
progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Wouldn’t matter, at least with regards to Obama being natural born or not.
Hollowpoint on July 23, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I admit I wondered about his birth place at first, I do not trust lefties who are habitual liers and believe they are above and beyond the law. But, when nothing conclusive was found I gave up on it.
Now my question is who started this? A consertive with no solid evidence? Gawd would I be pissed at that! Or was it a leftie move to make it look like conservitives were pushing this adgenda???
I question this now because of a strange post I saw on MM that may have been a leftie trying to entice us to say somthing specific about Obama, to be copied and sent accross the net to degrade mm and her readers. If that was a leftie attempt he/she failed, I am proud of that. TY for not falling for the trap mm readers. I am confident HA readers are just as astute.
allrsn on July 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM
If it were demonstrated that he wasn’t a natural born citizen eligible to be President, then it would be a matter of Constitutionality. At the moment all we have is speculation with zero facts to back it up, and evidence suggesting the opposite.
I’ve little use for “truther” type of thinking on either side of the isle, and that is exactly the sort of thing I’m seeing by some in this thread.
Hollowpoint on July 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM
The link Ed provided confirms BO is Constitutionally eligible.
The date of the paper is August 13, 1961.
How many Barack H Obama’s do you think lived in Honolulu in 1961?
Was BHO born on August 4, 1961?
Did this conspiracy start on August 13, 1961?
Chimpy on July 23, 2008 at 11:23 PM
getting your name ran in a paper does not a birth certificate make. you can do that for $2
Chakra Hammer on July 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM
It’s absolutely essential that we read several more news items on Obama’s birth certificate.[*] In fact, I only come to HotAir to read about Obama’s birth and to hear the newest slurs about Hillary Clinton fashion sense.
[*] Actually I didn’t even read this article before responding to it.
thuja on July 24, 2008 at 12:41 AM
No. Then it would be a non-issue because he wouldn’t be in the race. The Constitutional matter is in the determination. Of course, nobody knows what the situation is with BHO. But you seem to like it that way. Saves the embarassment and that seems to be the really important point, here.
The onus is not on us to prove that he is ineligible. The onus is on him to prove that he is eligible, which consists of nothing more than releasing his BC/COLB. But, I guess you figure that that is too much to ask of anyone. And embarassing, too.
I’ve little use for namecalling, but if it makes you feel better, keep on.
I take it from all this that you don’t think candidates, or Presidents, should release anything that is not absolutely required of them. No tax returns. No physicals. No nothing. Because we wouldn’t want to embarass you by requesting to see these things. No-doc government. Cute.
Just wondering, if you ran for office and someone asked to see your birth certificate, would you have any problem releasing it?
progressoverpeace on July 24, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Remember how we made fun of the guys who kept trying to prove that the Killian memos weren’t fake? Dunno what just made me think of that…
Jim Treacher on July 24, 2008 at 2:35 AM
I still say he’s a pod person working for the Grays.
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MirCat on July 24, 2008 at 2:51 AM
CAN OBAMA BE PRESIDENT?
It seems that Barack Obama is not qualified to be president after all for the following reason:
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between ‘December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986.
Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain even though he was born in the Panama Canal.
US Law very clearly stipulates: ‘If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawaii being a territory) the
mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* .
In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawaii. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aforementioned, she was a young college student at the time. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have
waited to have him as the only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.
*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. ***
Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S.
Citizen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had,
rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery.
This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very interested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it
would set precedence.
swampy on July 24, 2008 at 5:37 AM
Is there something in Obama’s passport file that is dangerous to his political ambitions if known?
JiangxiDad on July 24, 2008 at 8:06 AM
Actually, I’d find it hilarious if BOTH of these idiot candidates were found to be ineligible sometime around mid-October.
wccawa on July 24, 2008 at 8:29 AM
hear, hear.
JiangxiDad on July 24, 2008 at 8:42 AM
And that’s evidence of?
srhoades on July 24, 2008 at 8:58 AM
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