Audio: Avoid another “boring, normal, mainstream Republican white guy” for VP, says Newt

posted at 3:25 pm on July 23, 2008 by Allahpundit

My sentiments exactly, as I’ve made clear more than once before. We already knew who his top pick was; his second choice will come as no surprise, given his reasoning.

Who he means by “boring, normal, mainstream Republican white guys” is left unsaid, but I think we’re all on the same page.


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aero on July 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM

If you are picking a candidate because they aren’t “another boring white guy” how is that NOT affirmative action? Look, I like Palin, she would be a great pick…but pick her because of who she is, not because she is a woman.

Further, how is “At some point the Republican Party is going to having to reflect that.” not affirmative action? That is the very definition of affirmative action. Black, yellow, red…I don’t care…can you walk the walk and talk the talk and are you honest and are you a fighter? If you are, then please sign up and campaign. We don’t need to pick someone just because they fit a certain look…thats shallow and not necessary.

Conservative Voice on July 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

This thread is the very first time I have ever genuinely gotten the sense that many Republicans really don’t think a woman or minority could be as qualified as a white guy to do an important job.

Who said that? No one that I’m aware of. There are not nearly as many qualified women and minorities to pick from. That’s just a fact of raw numbers.

I’m no feminist — not by a long shot. But I’m feeling highly indignant right now that so many people I otherwise like and respect here at Hot Air honestly think that the only way a woman or minority could make it on the ticket is as an “affirmative action hire.”

aero on July 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM

If one is put on because s/he is a woman or a minority (because Newt doesn’t want a boring, normal, mainstream Republican white guy) then that is affirmative action – or just identity politics, take your pick. And if a guy gets put on because he’s handsome, then that’s the same thing.

progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM

I don’t have a problem with Palin because she’s a woman; I hate to see her throw her future away being on McCain’s ticket. I find it hard to believe he would pick a Conservative for anything other than window dressing; I don’t see her fighting for conservative values in a McCain administration; she’s either going to be with the program or she’s not going to be picked. McCain is not going to tolerate dissent in his own administration. You may have noticed with the immigration issue, McCain says a lot of things but hasn’t done anything meaningful (fire Juan Hernandez); his position on drilling might be another one of those issues. Palin may be a a very good pick, but I don’t think for John McCain. He’ll put a muzzle on her and she won’t be who you want her to be.
Me, I’m still hoping for Huckabee. He’s a white guy, but he wont’ be boring. Lord knows how many stupid things that guy will say in a four year term.

austinnelly on July 23, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Conservative Voice on July 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Look I’m not saying to pick someone based on their gender or race. What I’m saying is that the leadership in the Republican Party is not all that diverse (let us be honest) and America is diverse (that is just the way it is). I’m all for looking at people’s qualifications first. However, at some point the people are going to question if the Republican Party is inclusive if all they is one type of person make it to the top of the ranks. Geez, some people in the Party might have conniption fits because Romney is not a Protestant if he’s picked. Isn’t this something we should have moved past a long time ago?

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 8:41 PM

aero on July 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM

I didn’t read the entire thread so I can’t comment about the accuracy of your observation but from what I’ve read it seems that people aren’t suggesting it’s impossible for a woman or minority to be qualified, only that being a woman or minority shouldn’t be a determining factor of whether or not somebody is qualified.

Like I said, I don’t know enough about Palin to have a definite opinion but from what little I know she sounds great, and if I don’t learn anything to the contrary she might be an excellent choice. (I’m disregarding the alleged scandal because I don’t know much about it, and like you, there have been so many bogus investigations that I don’t give them much weight unless some supporting evidence is put forward.)

But my concern is that the conservative movement needs a movement leader who’s not simply adequate, but visionary. Somebody who can not only lead the country down a conservative path but also take the straightest, fastest and smoothest road.

Especially since McCain is the nominee and there isn’t an established conservative movement leader waiting in the wings, we should be hoping for the very best VP pick that might fulfill this needed role. While it’s entirely possible that a woman or minority might be the next Reagan, what’s most important is that we find the next visionary leader.

The portion of the opinions I’ve read here seem to be saying essentially the same thing. Palin might be it, I don’t know, but if not, we need to find the right person regardless or race or gender. I don’t see any evidence that there are numerous visionary movement leaders ripe for the picking that would lead me to conclude that we might as well pick one from an identity-group.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Black, yellow, red…I don’t care…

Conservative Voice on July 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Jumping on the identity politics bandwagon for a second, I’d love it if the next visionary conservative movement leader happened to be a native American of either gender.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Need a VP who is strong on economy and isn’t a white guy? Thomas Sowell anyone? Smarter than everyone on this thread put together on the economy and he’s black!

gator70 on July 23, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Thomas Sowell anyone?

gator70 on July 23, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Hell yeah!

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 8:59 PM

“leadership in the Republican Party is not all that diverse (let us be honest) and America is diverse (that is just the way it is)” terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Who cares what the leadership makeup is? Its only an issue, if we play their game. I would get excited if there conservative leaders weren’t such a rare breed in the Republican Party, so I will remain excited for ANY conservative leadership.

Conservative Voice on July 23, 2008 at 9:03 PM

gator70 on July 23, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Love Thomas Sowell, and would enjoy seeing him on the ticket because of who he is, not because he is black.

Conservative Voice on July 23, 2008 at 9:04 PM

Conservative Voice on July 23, 2008 at 9:04 PM

Hear, hear.

progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 9:06 PM

at some point the people are going to question if the Republican Party is inclusive if all they is one type of person make it to the top of the ranks.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 8:41 PM

They already have.

Geez, some people in the Party might have conniption fits because Romney is not a Protestant

Agreed about Romney, but this is a problem on both sides of the political spectrum as it pertains to various identity groups. The truth is that there is no valid reason why there are not more conservative minorities. It’s a cultural phenomenon as much as a political one. The media tries it’s best to paint conservatives as bigots. Many minority leaders seek fame, power and profit by perpetuating their victim status. Too many minorities have grown dependent on the entitlement programs offered to them by leftist politicians. It’s a circle that of dependence that feeds upon itself.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:11 PM

Love Thomas Sowell, and would enjoy seeing him on the ticket because of who he is, not because he is black.

Conservative Voice on July 23, 2008 at 9:04 PM

Good point.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Who cares what the leadership makeup is? Its only an issue, if we play their game. I would get excited if there conservative leaders weren’t such a rare breed in the Republican Party, so I will remain excited for ANY conservative leadership.

That all sounds good. However, you need to remember this is politics. We can decades and decades more of mostly electing white, male, Protestants because they are more “qualified” while the other team puts on a picture of diversity. Just please don’t get offended when they ask “Where’s the diversity in your side?”

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Yeah yeah yeah, me too. You know what I meant.

gator70 on July 23, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Just please don’t get offended when they ask “Where’s the diversity in your side?”

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:13 PM

I would answer it with another question… just where is the diversity in opinions of identity groups. There are always exceptions, but many identity-groups seem to think as a monolithic block. Why? What are the circumstances that lead so many people to think alike? Why do so many liberal black leaders consider Powell and Rice to be Uncle Toms? What is so enlightened about an attitude like that?

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:18 PM

Yeah yeah yeah, me too. You know what I meant.

gator70 on July 23, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Yeah, but it doesn’t hurt to clarify.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:19 PM

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:13 PM

If we are worried about what names they will call us, then we have already lost. They will call us bigots and racists no matter how many minorities we elect. Here is the thing, we either agree to their premise, or we simply say, we would welcome any, we are color blind and gender neutral…we see everyone as American, and pay no attention to the hyphen. And then throw it back at them as to why they are trying to be so divisive instead of trying to unite all Americans to a common cause?

Conservative Voice on July 23, 2008 at 9:25 PM

I would answer it with another question… just where is the diversity in opinions of identity groups. There are always exceptions, but many identity-groups seem to think as a monolithic block. Why?

You have point. However, that still doesn’t answer for the lack of diversity on your side.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:26 PM

What is so enlightened about an attitude like that?

To answer my own question: Nothing. There is nothing enlightened about it. It’s backwards; a disease. The left has encouraged identity groups to form into cults of victimology. Cults are the only other circumstance I’ve been able to think of where all of the members are compelled to think alike…. unless they escape from the cults grasp, and then they are looked down upon.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:26 PM

We can decades and decades more of mostly electing white, male, Protestants because they are more “qualified” while the other team puts on a picture of diversity.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Come on, Terry, the other side just offered the dumbest candidate for President, ever. Is that what you want?

Just please don’t get offended when they ask “Where’s the diversity in your side?”

I don’t get offended by stuff like that. In fact, I welcome that debate. It’s an easy one – like shooting fish in a barrel.

progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Come on, Terry, the other side just offered the dumbest candidate for President, ever.

I should have finished this:

because they cared more about identity/diversity than competence.

progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 9:29 PM

You have point. However, that still doesn’t answer for the lack of diversity on your side.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:26 PM

I guess the overall point was that as long as so many members of identity groups continue to be enthralled to their cult mentality and are disallowed by other cult members to think outside the box, they will continue to be under represented on our side of the political spectrum. The answer isn’t to adopt their cult mentality but to figure out how to assist their escape from self-destructive cults.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:33 PM

Yeah, but it doesn’t hurt to clarify.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Normally I don’t get into verbal jousts, I didnt think I needed to clarify anything. The post’s original topic was finding someone other than the usual white guy. I pointed out a fine candidate who meets the qualifications of a VP who is strong on the economy. And he isn’t white! Don’t see what the problem is. Or can we not point out that he is black? Defeats the purpose of the freakin thread. You all need to come down off of your holier than thou conservative high horses. Dont’ make me out to be some ignorant dolt.

gator70 on July 23, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Come on, Terry, the other side just offered the dumbest candidate for President, ever. Is that what you want?

Like I’ve said before I care about qualifications and experience first. I’ve stated many times that Palin and Jindal are inexperience, therefore, I have my trepidations about them being veep choices (this year, at least). However, some people seem to have the attitude “forget diversity.” That is not the right attitude either. We should keep our eye out for talents of all genders, races, etc. That’s my point.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:38 PM

However, some people seem to have the attitude “forget diversity.”

I’m one of those. I don’t think that diversity should be considered, at all, for the great bulk of human endeavors.

That is not the right attitude either. We should keep our eye out for talents of all genders, races, etc. That’s my point.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:38 PM

If you just keep an eye out for talent, that’s enough. Though I will give you that we are talking very subjective judgements, here, which does fuzz things up quite a bit. I guess we just disagree on this. No big deal. And I wouldn’t worry if I were you, the way the GOP is going, you’re going to get what you are talking about, times 1000.

progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 9:48 PM

The answer isn’t to adopt their cult mentality but to figure out how to assist their escape from self-destructive cults.

Regarding the “African-“American cult, I think that gradually, as more black conservatives become known, at some point we will reach a critical mass where African-American’s will look across the diversity of black opinion and realize that leaving the cult of victimology is neither a betrayal of their skin pigmentation nor their history. Achieving critical mass will be a slow process, but once reached I think the cult will lose much of it’s influence over it’s members and we will see a wave of new conservative American’s who happen to be black.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Don’t see what the problem is.

gator70 on July 23, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Neither do I…. :)

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Dont’ make me out to be some ignorant dolt.

gator70 on July 23, 2008 at 9:37 PM

We’re simpatico. By pointing out that it doesn’t hurt to clarify, I wasn’t talking about clarifying it for you, but for the others.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:54 PM

We should keep our eye out for talents of all genders, races, etc. That’s my point.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Agreed, and while it’s not a problem exclusive to any color of the ideological rainbow, certainly there is room for improvement on our side as well. The bias against Romney based on his religion is a good example.

And I’m not particularly a Romney fan, although for other reasons.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 9:59 PM

boring, normal, mainstream Republican white guys

Fvck you, Newt.

Kralizec on July 23, 2008 at 10:01 PM

And I’m not particularly a Romney fan, although for other reasons.

Neither am I. He just doesn’t connect, I guess.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 10:09 PM

i will be very, very disappointed if he doesn’t go with sarah.

but i’ll still vote for him.

homesickamerican on July 23, 2008 at 10:23 PM

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Terry, I just want to be clear – I’m not saying that you, yourself, would champion identity over competence (I understand that you are saying, “Hey we’ve got 3 guys and 2 women all of whom are equally qualified for X, so let’s pick a woman to get some extra points”) but that’s how it always starts. Once the push for diversity becomes an independent process it takes over everything. I wasn’t trying to say that you, personally, would want someone on the level of Obama but that that would be a consequence of starting the diversity push – as it always seems to be.

As FloatingRock said (and I believe) the GOP will attract those who are willing and able from all sections of society. There will be no guarantee that any group will be represented as they are in population, some will be overrepresented, some underrepresented, but that’s how everything is.

progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 10:27 PM

progressoverpeace on July 23, 2008 at 10:27 PM

I understand. I guess I would say instead of “push” I would say “encourage.” I guess we basically agree on the major points, but maybe it’s just semantics at this point :-)

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 10:38 PM

So much for the party of ideas. Lets fight image with image and the hell with the future of America. Winning is all that matters.

peacenprosperity on July 23, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Why do you assume that image and ideas are mutually exclusive?

paul006 on July 23, 2008 at 10:40 PM

This thread is the very first time I have ever genuinely gotten the sense that many Republicans really don’t think a woman or minority could be as qualified as a white guy to do an important job.

Really? Well I’ve known for a long time that there are alot of politically correct, weak minded, moral relativists on here who see people by the color of their skin and not by the content of their character. Alot of people who are afraid of offending someone rather then sticking to principle. Alot of people who think they are conservative but don’t come close by a longshot.

peacenprosperity on July 23, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Why do you assume that image and ideas are mutually exclusive?

paul006 on July 23, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Dude, you are way late to the game. Go back and read the entire thread.

peacenprosperity on July 23, 2008 at 10:59 PM

I agree with every post on this thread.

redrock on July 23, 2008 at 11:06 PM

I agree with every post on this thread.

redrock on July 23, 2008 at 11:06 PM

I agree with all of them except yours. :)

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Condi is not running. Palin is a new mom and a new governor. Jindal is also too new. Next time around we may have a very good selection of new faces that can broaden the Republican Brand appeal. But this year, McCain needs economic savvy and management/executive experience that McCain is weak in. He also cannot have someone who undercuts his argument that Obama is not ready for the big time.

Rudy will do fine. (Besides, he is Italian. When is the last time we had an Italian VP candidate?)

KW64 on July 23, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Rudy will do fine. (Besides, he is Italian. When is the last time we had an Italian VP candidate?)

KW64 on July 23, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Rudy has done more harm to the 2nd amendment than perhaps any other Republican, ever.

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I agree with all of them except yours. :)

FloatingRock on July 23, 2008 at 11:19 PM

:(

redrock on July 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I’ll repeat…Janice Rogers Brown!

SouthernGent on July 24, 2008 at 12:10 AM

Whites are various 66% or 75%, depending on who you ask.

Newt is a legend in his own mind. Telling White voters they don’t matter and that “diversity” means getting to the back of the bus in the Veepstakes, that they just “are not as cool” as people of color is sure to turn them off.

Let Obama be the hip, cool, multicultural, “diversity” (which equals discrimination against whites) candidate. And let the GOP be the safe, old, boring, white, and therefore winning party.

Last time I checked, 66 or 75% trumped the 13% that is Black, the about 8% that is both Hispanic and participates in elections. Mitt Romney would be an excellent choice, his Mormonism notwithstanding (it IS an issue for some voters).

Those opposed to Mitt on religious grounds are either hard-core leftist secularites voting for Obama anyway, or likely to vote for McCain-Romney in reaction to Obama.

If Newt is so “smart” in politics how come his reign as Speaker was both short and ineffective?

whiskey_199 on July 24, 2008 at 12:59 AM

Newt sucks.

Hypocrite.

Preaches family values and bangs other chicks and delivers a divorce letter to his wife in the hospital.

And a sell-out, global warming hoax-believer.

I kinda hate the guy.

screw him.

thank you and good night

Roger Waters on July 24, 2008 at 1:28 AM

…Any Dumbass who buys into the global warming hoax, does not garner much trust from me when listening to their opinion.
Has he staunchly denied the global warming crap?
If not then get back to me when he does.

-Wasteland Man.

P.S. WOW Sign of the apocalypse I agree with Rodger Waters!
ROCK ON ROG!!!!

WastelandMan on July 24, 2008 at 1:33 AM

In case anyone is wondering about the “scandal” that Palin is supposedly involved in:

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php?id=131

With the Natural Gas Pipeline bill passing the AK legislature yesterday, and the smear attempt foiled, I think it’s safe to say that Gov. Palin is kicking butt and taking names.

Abuse of power? No. Abuse of political opponents? Oh yes.

Mr. Wednesday Night on July 24, 2008 at 1:40 AM

I agree with every post on this thread.

redrock on July 23, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Odd. I don’t even agree with all of my own posts on this thread.

MB4 on July 24, 2008 at 1:49 AM

I agree with every post on this thread. redrock on July 23, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Odd. I don’t even agree with all of my own posts on this thread. MB4 on July 24, 2008 at 1:49 AM

I voted FOR the posts before I voted AGAINST them.

Mojave Mark on July 24, 2008 at 1:53 AM

Michelle Malkin. :-)

baldilocks on July 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM

I hear that!

- The Cat

P.S. Or she could be the Sexy of State

P.P.S. I’d claim that was a typo but no one would believe me. :)

MirCat on July 24, 2008 at 2:20 AM

I don’t know why you all are obsessing about the “white guy” part of the comment rather than the “boring, normal” part. It seems clear that a non-normal, non-boring white guy would meet with Newts approval.

Somebody like …. Newt!

flenser on July 24, 2008 at 8:27 AM

Preaches family values and bangs other chicks and delivers a divorce letter to his wife in the hospital.

Lies really are immortal.

flenser on July 24, 2008 at 8:29 AM

You have point. However, that still doesn’t answer for the lack of diversity on your side.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 9:26 PM

“Your” side? Is our side different from yours?

flenser on July 24, 2008 at 8:33 AM

It’s coming back to me now – terryann is the Latino grievance monger. So she’s not on our side, she’s on the Latino side.

flenser on July 24, 2008 at 8:35 AM

flenser on July 24, 2008 at 8:35 AM

Stay classy.

terryannonline on July 24, 2008 at 8:50 AM

Stay bigoted, terryann.

flenser on July 24, 2008 at 8:52 AM

This is all nonsense, True success is boring. Romney is the most electable and will add conservative credentials to this candidacy. He has strong debating skills, good ideas, and is not a Gaffe Master.

Egfrow on July 24, 2008 at 9:26 AM

What I’m saying is that the leadership in the Republican Party is not all that diverse (let us be honest) and America is diverse (that is just the way it is). I’m all for looking at people’s qualifications first. However, at some point the people are going to question if the Republican Party is inclusive if all they is one type of person make it to the top of the ranks.

terryannonline on July 23, 2008 at 8:41 PM

You absolutely have GOT to be kidding.

Look, terryan, get a clue. The Republican party has been colorblind and gender-blind for decades. The reason — the only reason — that the numbers of “minorities” (women are not a minority, and never were) are small is that they self-select themselves out of the party. In spite of this, the Republican party has done a far, far better job of elevating qualified minorities to positions of real power than has the Democratic party, which has 90% of the black community to pick from.

I am completely sick of poseurs and fools who think there’s something wrong with the Republican party behaving precisely as Dr. King prescribed. If that’s not good enough for you, then F*** YOU and F*** OFF.

philwynk on July 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM

If that’s not good enough for you, then F*** YOU and F*** OFF.

philwynk on July 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Not the best way to debate. That is, however, the best way to get your points nullified by your arrogance, childishness, and doucheitude.

- The Cat

MirCat on July 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM

We already knew who his top pick was….

I imagine Louisiana Governor Jindal wishes Newt Gingrich would shut up and go away. It can’t be very flattering to know that Gingrich’s preference for him as a Vice Presidential candidate is based partly on race, especially inasmuch as Jindal has always seemed to want to just be an American. Moreover, to the extent that Governor Jindal’s opponents think they have reasons to suppose Jindal is going away soon, he’s something of a “lame duck” as Governor. Gingrich is treating Jindal as a tool and undercutting him as Governor.

Kralizec on July 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Not the best way to debate. That is, however, the best way to get your points nullified by your arrogance, childishness, and doucheitude.

- The Cat

MirCat on July 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM

I’m having trouble distinguishing your writing from philwynk’s, or my own of yesterday, for that matter.

Kralizec on July 24, 2008 at 10:40 AM

philwynk on July 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM

You can scream and yell at me all you want or you look at the facts. If you look at how ethnic minorities vote (not just African Americans) they vote Democrat. A larger percentage of women vote Democrat. If you compare which Party had a larger number of women and minorities in Congress and other elected positions (even when Republicans were in power) I’m sure the Democrats would have the lion’s share.

You can continue to tell yourself that it doesn’t matter that they women and minorities don’t vote Republican but with that kind of attitude expect the GOP to soon be out of power for a very, very long time.

terryannonline on July 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Palin keeps being floated as a best choice. I would not vote for Palin. The same sex marriage benefits deal in Alaska was weird. There was an Alaska Supreme Court order to give same sex benefits. Palin said she had no more options and let it go through. Now the benefits are pouring out. There is a higher court than the Alaska court. This is the type of gaming I see in the current crop of RINOs. Once the spigot is turned on it is near impossible to turn off

Conservatives like me have no trouble with conservative females or minorities. They are mot being presented to me. Margaret Thatcher is the role model. Being one up and I will vote.

The role model thing only goes so far. I do not believe the black community will support a black conservative like they will support a black socialist. Newt is dreaming on that one.

entagor on July 24, 2008 at 12:56 PM

terryann

Since you think that the Democratic Party is so wonderful (women and minorities vote for it!) why are you here?

flenser on July 24, 2008 at 3:09 PM

flenser, there’s a bunch of them drove the GOP to ruin.

The GOP is going to be out of power very soon and probably won’t ever regain power in many of our life times, if ever but the problem isn’t minorities. The problem is the GOP was a big tent and the majority of the two biggest groups that filled that tent left when John McCain spent the last few years trashing them. The GOP needs to learn the art of minority politics (in Congress) because that’s where they’re going to be for quite a while. McCain could have pulled together the party, evangelicals would have voted for him and the Reagan law ans order types would have voted for him except for Feingold and then ShAmnesty. Even the fiscal conservatives are tending to belong to one or the other, maybe both of those key groups, and he ran them all off, fragmented their votes among too many other candidates and took the nomination spelling doom for the GOP. McCain should have known but he was too set on being a good Democrat rather than a good Conservative for the past 8 years.

Buzzy on July 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM

The GOP is going to be out of power very soon and probably won’t ever regain power in many of our life times,

it will be much worse if mccain gets elected…he will so discredit conservatism that it will never have any political power again.

african americans started supporting democrats in the 1930s…while the democrats were supporting jim crow and the KKK…to think anything the republicans do will win them back is fantasy.

right4life on July 24, 2008 at 9:22 PM

terryannonline, you make some good points. While I don’t agree with all of your conclusions–I want Palin as McCain’s VP–I admire your patience with gnats like flenser.

jgapinoy on July 24, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Is there any thing that can be done at this late date…. any thread I can grasp in hope that neither of these two horrible choices will become President of the United States?

How did we get to this sorry time.

Ernest on July 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Egfrow on July 24, 2008 at 9:26 AM

This is all nonsense, True success is boring. Romney is the most electable and will add conservative credentials to this candidacy. He has strong debating skills, good ideas, and is not a Gaffe Master.

The anti-Obama is someone with experience and results, like Mitt.

Paul-Cincy on July 25, 2008 at 4:00 PM

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