VP watch: McCain might hold unscheduled event today in New Hampshire; Report: Mitt’s the pick? Update: Not this week?
posted at 11:50 am on July 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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But let’s look at the clues: McCain tomorrow is holding a town hall near Mitt Romney’s vacation home in New Hampshire, and reporters on the trail this week with McCain have been put on notice that there might be an additional event tomorrow. Key word there: “might.”… The setting, after all, would be special for McCain — New Hampshire is the state that raised the onetime underdog’s campaign from the dead, not once but twice. And, bingo, McCain would probably lead the evening newscasts tomorrow. Not a bad scenario for a campaign openly frustrated with the news media’s fascination with Obama’s trip overseas.
Jonathan Alter, who’s traveling with McCain in New Hampshire, is skeptical, as am I for the simple reason that he’s meeting with Jindal tomorrow. If Mitt’s the pick and the goal is to wring maximum buzz out of the VP speculation, he should meet with Jindal first and let the media go nuts speculating that Jindal’s about to be named. Then, when he isn’t, announce another unscheduled event for later in the week and name Romney there. Two or three days of press coverage for the price of one!
CNN says no decision has been made but the list has “narrowed.” One important detail I forgot to mention in yesterday’s VP post: Mitt’s in the process of eating $45 million in campaign debt to clear his way for the ticket. $45 million. Why would a businessman as savvy as Romney consider taking a bath like that if he hadn’t already been promised the VP spot?
Update: Grain of salt, but My Man Mitt says Romney it is.
Update: Both Mitt and Cindy McCain are evidently out of the country this week, so if he is the pick, don’t hold your breath for an announcement.
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McCain: Just tap Palin….err? I mean nominate.
jp on July 22, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Jeez, Saint Olaf, even James Dobson had nice things to say about Romney. We’re talking political leaders, not religious leaders. If evangelicals can’t differentiate between God and Caesar, that’s not good.
BigD on July 22, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Isn’t the word on McCain that he ranked so low in his Annapolis class not because he was stupid or incompetent, but rather because he was rebellious? Any rebelliousness by McCain early in his career can be forgiven, I think. McCain’s Naval career (ignoring his POW service) was solid and honorable.
Outlander on July 22, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Not all of them.
Just the foolish ones.
Don’t let the door hit you…
Slublog on July 22, 2008 at 1:10 PM
I have been, haven’t you been paying attention!
Why the hell do I have to do all of your research?
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 1:13 PM
It would be win/win. In the least he would look open minded and willing to listen, it would also give him a chance to do the right thing without being called a flip flopper. Unfortunately republicans wouldn’t recognize a win/win if it sat on thier face.
peacenprosperity on July 22, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Exactly how any parishioners are at Westboro Baptist? I thought it was just the Phelps clan.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Hey! Looked who got let out of the home.
peacenprosperity on July 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Oh YUCK! WBC have about 120 (or so) Followers.. that are ALL related in some way shape or form. Need I go on?
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Mitt was my choice to be where McCain is and I think he’s a good and honest man who would have made a thinking,caring President. But he is NOT my pick for VP. I would have liked and still like a woman.
jeanie on July 22, 2008 at 1:19 PM
I wonder if B Hussein Obama will win in a 49 state sweep or a 50 state sweep?
The only way mccain could lose ALL of the southern states is to nominate romney.
Good strategy mccain…turn your back on the south and go for the northern states(which BTW you have no chance of winning anyway).
That’s what senility does to you.
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Well, there’s no substance from you in this thread. When you’re trying to make your case, you do your own research, you don’t make a claim and expect everyone else to run around verifying it. And don’t swear at me, either, junior.
Note: I have nothing against Palin. I just don’t see that she’s ready for VP.
BigD on July 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM
If all of us relied on our “college years” as an endorsement for what kind of person we would become…well you can just imagine how few leaders we would have.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I’M WITH MITT!
I’M WITH MITT!
MITT 2012
‘CAUSE ‘08 IS INTENTIONALLY LOST TO SOCIALISM.
madmonkphotog on July 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Considering the dearth of Evangelicals, particularly that scary Southern strain, within the Conservative intelligentsia, it won’t surprise me if Romney is the pick. I understand why so many Conservatives get upset when someone brings up the “Mormon issue.” But I also understand Southern Evangelicals. And believe me, like it or not, Mormonism will be an issue for a certain percentage.
That great Southern scribe Flannery O’Connor referred to the South as a “Christ-Haunted Landscape.” Though Flannery was Catholic, she understood the marrow-level influence Evangelical Christianity has on Southerners. There are in excess of sixteen million Southern Baptists alone. And there are millions more who belong to other conservative Evangelical congregations. McCain cannot expect those people to forget a lifetime of hearing their preachers, elders, deacons, and Sunday School teachers telling them that Mormonism is a cult based on a gross distortion of biblical Christianity. The average church-goer may not be able to explain why Mormonism is a cult in theological terms, but trust me they believe it’s a cult. McCain can say, “What does that matter? Romney is running for VP, not Sunday School teacher.” And that’s true. I feel that way myself. But if even 5% of Evangelicals sit it out, that could throw close states to Barry.
In the end I don’t believe McCain will want to be weighed down by Romney’s negatives.
flyfisher on July 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM
I have noted quite a bit on other threads concerning Plain and on top of it her Lt Gov Parnell who is running against Young. If you don’t believe me then go freaking look. I really don’t care what you like or don’t like about her. There are people on here who took my opinions and those who don’t like them. But it is a great thing that at least you can talk to someone who lives here and sees what is going on then guesstimate via the MSM or some other news media. I have even sent Ed and Allah stuff on Palin. Substance or not, you obviously aren’t pay attention or just skim.
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Really, you can’t google?
Try this.
Palin took on the Republican establishment and pushed for the national campaign to clean house.
Taking it from the state level to the national level. That alone makes her unique…a politician who gets rid of corruption and waste.
Plus, how can you not support a women who was nicknamed “barracuda” as a basketball star, a fisherwomen, NRA, and easy on the eyes (if you think that is not important, think Janet Reno…).
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Palin is the One we have been waiting for. She will make the oceans recede.
faraway on July 22, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Palin or Jindal would completely undercut the inexperience argument against Obama.
okonkolo on July 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Well now, that point about googling was just so substantive. Good shot, right2. And, oh yes, being a competitive athlete is essential. We have Gerald Ford, Arnold Schwarzenegger and who knows how many others to vouch for that.
I am not going to become a part of the 90/10 thread that usually results when you become part of it.
Later, folks.
BigD on July 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM
The plan of announcing right after the Dem convention to step on their coverage and momentum was and is the best strategy. Plus he can counter O’s best pick. Announcing now allows the Dems to counter him and Obama is sure to make at least one gaffe on this trip.
koolbrease on July 22, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Curse you! Mental image poisoning alert!!
(still shuddering)
Maquis on July 22, 2008 at 1:42 PM
This is the most strategically stupid thing I ever seen from a candidate. Of all the disadvantages McCain has, this would have been his one advantage over Obama (i.e. to wait till after Obama selected his VP). This better be gossip.
DanStark on July 22, 2008 at 1:44 PM
If so, they also undercut Obama’s “youth and energy” advantage.
The point a Palin or Jindal pick makes is that such relative inexperience is acceptable in a VP candidate being mentored by a veteran Senator with a quarter-century of political experience. Obama would have been a fine VP choice for the Dems, after all. And even so, as has been pointed out many times, both Palin and Jindal already have more executive experience than Obama OR McCain.
aero on July 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Let’s assume the SaintOlaf’s are right–that the religion of McCain’s VP candidate will cause millions of evangelicals to sit out the election.
Under this reasoning, evangelicals are saying that the religion of a man in the VP slot is more important than the religion of Obama.
They are saying that being Mormon is enough to disqualify someone from holding office.
Now, I’ve got nothing wrong with considering religion, (i.e. I’d not want a wahabist Muslim as president, simply because I don’t trust them at all). But the special hatred evangelicals have for Mormons is something rather unprecedented, I believe. I recall the man on this blog who swore he would kill any Mormon who ever moved into Missouri, and he “had my gun ready.” Saint Olaf is of that same stripe, though it wasn’t him (that I know of).
While I believe that many of the truly anti-mormon evangelicals will not want to vote for a Mormon at all, I just don’t know if they can bring themselves to vote for Obama, either. Obama is either a closet Muslim (unlikely), or his Black Liberation Theology is far MORE frightening than any alleged Mormon threat. What’s scarier–Mormons have a differing (but Biblical) view on the trinity, or the claim that Jesus was black and everyone who isn’t black is doomed?
Particularly in the gulf area, people have had first hand experience of “Mormon helping hands”–who have rebuilt many, many homes after natural disasters, etc. That kind of first hand experience goes a long way to dissipating the bigotry many, if not most evangelical preachers go on about Mormons.
I don’t think evangelicals will go for Obama. Blacks aren’t going to vote for McCain either in this election, so any MSM harping on alleged Mormon racial themes from the 1800’s isn’t going to hurt–especially when people discover that Mormons were driven out of states at gunpoint simply because they DIDN’T support slavery.
You know who ultimately stopped the ERA? Mormons. Who will win, if possible, the gay marriage debate in California? The Mormon church. There’s almost as many Mormons as there are Southern Baptists in this country–people don’t realize that they are the 5th largest denomination. We aren’t a “cult” any more than Lutherans are.
Now, back to the VP race: Will the evangelical hatred of the LDS church keep people home? Of course, those who aren’t bigots (and there are many) won’t care–Romney will be fine for them. I don’t think that Romney as VP will cause millions of people to stay home, especially with Dobson et al on board. I just can’t see any evangelical preacher that isn’t immediately recognized as preaching sheer unadulterated bigotry saying that Romney is cause enough to elect Obama.
Besides, the last two evangelical presidents have been Carter and Clinton. That’s a great track record.
Vanceone on July 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Palin is having abit of ethics trouble right now. Some want investigations of supposed attempt to fire her sister’s ex hubby.
Seems minor though
William Amos on July 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Olaf
It ain’t gonna be Huckabee. Not after McCain’s refusing him during the last part of the primaries (why do you think he stayed in this long, except to try and force McCain to take him as running mate?) and certainly NOT after the NRA speech. Fuggedaboudit. Any nasty thing you say about Mitt Romney is not going to force McCain to take Huck.
So if the Veep pick is not going to be Huck no matter what, due to Huck’s own failings, how is this some kind of FU to Southerners?
I kinda hope it’s Rudy myself, but then again I’m kind of a dreamer. I’m cool with Romney or anybody else (except Huck). I think Palin and Jindal need a bit of seasoning before hitting the big leagues like this. After all, going for charisma over experience is what’s likely to screw over the Dems this year, and it would be stupid to make the same mistake.
Sekhmet on July 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM
The fact is, it took me about 30 seconds to find the link…less time then for you to respond about not having information on Palin. I was pointing out how lazy some people are.
Other words, when it is obvious, why would we have to link it? Her record has been thrashed about for several weeks.
So why not just say, thanks for the link 2b, you saved me time.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Good post, Vance. I would only add that a certain percentage of the Romney-bashing was in hopes of boosting Huck’s chances before his NRA meltdown. After it has become clear Huck won’t be the choice, maybe some of those anti-Romney evangelicals are rethinking their position.
Sekhmet on July 22, 2008 at 1:49 PM
All Christians in general?
Last I checked, salvation wasn’t based on electing someone to public office based on their religion.
As a Christian, I would take Mitt over Huckster. Heck, I would take a conservative, pro-life, pro-gun, honest atheist over Huckster.
aikidoka on July 22, 2008 at 1:55 PM
As I said on a different thread. It is not about “Ethics” as the crappy little democrats up here want you to believe. it was concerning how the Commissioner was running things, especially investigations of State Troopers whom are doing things they shouldn’t. I could go into deatil.. but I will wait.
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 1:56 PM
The answer is they are both equally bad. Neither believe that Jesus is God..so they are both anti-Christ religions, end of story.
In fact I’d say that mormonism is far worse, as they pretend to be Christians but do not believe that Jesus is God. They believe that Satan and Jesus are brothers.
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 2:00 PM
One thing is for sure. If Jesus came back to earth he would never let SaintOlaf enter His church.
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I’m sure he’s aiming for all 57.
Darksean on July 22, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Please, Mormon’s (12 million world wide, about the same as Seventh-Day Adventists) are not a Christian denomination (about 2 billion world wide), Mormons are a religion unto themselves. Lutherans (Protestants), or Southern Baptists are a denomination of the Christian church.
Mormons have some 100 denominiations beneath their umbrella…LDS, Community of Christ, Church of Christ, Community of Christ, etc.
Here is a pretty good rundown of most of the religions in the world.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Fred Thompson? Together they will have about 700 dog years!
Monkei on July 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM
SaintOlaf: shut your piehole. You have no clue about what Mormons believe, other than what you were spoonfed by some minister with an axe to grind or money to make selling anti-mormon literature.
I am Mormon, and the real name of our church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” We do indeed believe that Jesus is God. We believe that Christ died for our sins–and even YOUR sins, though you don’t believe the reverse. I am continually astonished at how people like you say that “Jesus saves everyone–except Mormons. They are the only people incapable of salvation.” Apparently grace just doesn’t work for us, does it–the only people grace alone cannot help.
It’s quite clear that when you say stuff like “I’d rather have a Muslim than a Mormon” you are absolutely freaking out of your mind. May I remind you which religion has a history of killing Christians? Hint: it isn’t MY faith. Rather, our history is that of being killed by people like you, SaintOlaf. In fact, you remind me of some Saudi Imam–they show MORE tolerance for Christians than you do for Mormons. I name you bigot, and full of hatred. If the only way I had heard about Christ was by you, I would never want to be a Christian. Because you do NOT epitomize the teachings of Christ.
Now, I know there are plenty of evangelicals who do. There’s plenty of people who disagree with my faith, but do so respectfully. They DON’T do the SaintOlaf method, who believes that it is impossible for anyone to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and be a Christian, or have any good at all.
It may well surprise you, Saint Olaf, but even the Southern Baptist Convention itself has cooperated with the LDS church on occasion. You may now take your pitchfork and go burn them down because they aren’t as holy and righteous as you.
Vanceone on July 22, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Um, R2B, did you miss the last sentence to the Patrick Ruffini story you linked to?
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Buy Danish on July 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM
The point is; is his (Romney) political leverage better then say Palin. That is the only important issue, which candidate will bring in more votes. We know he can raise money, but can he raise the votes. The advantage is that McCain is not a pure conservative, and neither is Romney. Romney is stronger on the border then McCain (but then who isn’t), and he will go after energy. The negative is that he could never get traction as a national figure, he just doesn’t connect…Palin connects, strong on energy, strong on ethics, not an “insider”, female.
I know Rudy talks about “stepping in as Pres.”, but that is not a reality unless the ticket gets selected.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Right2bright: we are the 5th largest denomination in the US. We are not the 5th largest worldwide, and I make no claim to that.
And we ARE counted in the Christian tradition, which horrifies you, I know, that those 12 million people might even hope to be saved by Christ.
Vanceone on July 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM
I don’t link just to support my position (I linked earlier to Huffington), I link for information.
I think being 42, a wife, mother (with barracuda as a nickname), and now a politician not afraid of the “boys”, makes her a better candidate then some wishy-washy 20 year political veteran. Sometimes 4 more years isn’t needed. Some people just get it, and I think this mature woman gets it.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 2:35 PM
I’ll buy that, and she can articulate too, she compensates for McCain’s weaknesses better than any other name I’ve seen put out.
Maquis on July 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Uh Huh. Sure. That explains your “you can’t google” comment to Big D who said he doesn’t think that Palin is ready – just like Ruffini!
Buy Danish on July 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Great, I am glad that you think you are Christian. Now you can denounce the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price as being just story books, with make believe cities and civilizations (as archaeologists have been pointing out for decades). And that the only true book you need for your faith is the Bible. Looking forward to listening to the Mormons recite the Apostles Creed.
Otherwise, you are Mormons, be proud of who you are, you don’t want to be part of what your founders and prophets have said:
It reminds me of how adamant so many liberals are about not being called a liberal.
Be proud of who you are…a member of the LDS Church, one of 100 denominations that Smith created 150 years ago. Be proud of your heritage.
Now let’s move on…
I think Romney would be a good choice for VP, but not the best choice.
His strengths match with some of McCains weaknesses. McCain has an image problem with economics, and Romney could strengthen that. I don’t think Romney is any stronger on that, but the perception is he is. And McCain needs help in the immigration issue, but most anyone is stronger then him.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 2:56 PM
If I am so wrong…please explain to me how you can believe that Jesus is God and at the same time believe He is the brother of Satan?
Does that also mean that satan is God?
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Pick a fight where you have a chance to win…BigD said:
I was responding (as you stated) about him not being able to have info, when it has been hashed out many times on HA. Feigning ignorance is no defense. As I said, he could have found it in 30 seconds, instead of attacking.
Why do you want to pick a fight about something that did not concern you?…I thought you had learned your lesson.
Now sit down like a good girl, and speak when you are spoken to.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM
R2B — you are so busted. I didn’t even make that comment to you; I made it to upinak.
Why did you pick a fight about something that did not concern you?
Don’t bother with her, BD, it’s not worth the effort.
Also, I’m not a guy.
BigD on July 22, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Um, that was aimed towards me. And I told him to google for once, since I have given all sorts of items on other threads concerning Palin.
Can we move on? If he wants to be a jerk so be it. But you two like Plain… I thought!?!?!
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Well, SaintOlaf, let me ask you this: Are you the brother of Jesus? After all, you were born of a woman, as was He. He was human. And so are you. And so was Judas, too–was Jesus Judas’ brother? How about Caiaphas? Is not God the Father exactly that: their Father? That’s more than theological windowdressing, you know. And Lucifer DID fall from heaven–he was not always the devil, was he?
As for Right2bright: I’m sorry, but I do not hold to your belief that God is muzzled and will never ever speak again. I also don’t hold to the belief that I have to accept the decisions of uninspired councils of men as determinative of what God is. You put your faith in the belief that a council that explicitly said they were not capable of getting answers from God and presided over by a non-Christian got it right, while I will rely on what God said, and those who saw Him reported.
Christian, once again, does not equal Creed. You say it does, I say if so, I will happily be where the early church fathers who also didn’t have the creeds go. I reject the idea that Christianity only came fully into existence in the 4th and 5th centuries. For if one thing is certain: those early believers in Christ didn’t believe in your creeds, or councils, or the beliefs set forth there. And nor do I. If that makes me “Non-Christian”, then so is Peter, Paul, and the rest of the early saints. I’ll go with them, thanks.
Vanceone on July 22, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Dude, you got the hate-points down, but you don’t know the story at all. There are plenty of thoughtful loving people that would be happy to explain the whole thing to you, if you can avoid snarling so as not to frighten the nice folks.
Your bile is pure vinegar, brother.
Maquis on July 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM
I didn’t realize you weren’t allowd to speak on an open thread to others? Is this a version of censureship?
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM
All you religious nuts are exactly why the GOP is in big trouble. Ordinary folks are so sick of the fundamentalist us vs. them BS.
Grow Fins on July 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM
I’m assuming you mean “censorship.” R2B portrayed my comment incorrectly, is all. It wasn’t directed toward her; she made it appear as if it was.
Try this at work and see how it turns out.
BigD on July 22, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Who freaking CARES! You complain about Palin and then give me crap when I say go google it, since I have been talking about her since the day I saw Palin being mentioned and you get all ticked off.
THEN you jump on someone who is commenting on something you said concerning Palin and God Forbid, something against me. R2B as well as other have been watching me post about my State, Palin, Parnell and others here in my State for a couple months now… yet to you I “have no substance”.
Get a clue… if you do not like what some people say, that isn’t my problem. Thank God we live in the U.S. where our difference of opinion can be a beautiful thing. If you don’t like me or care about what I say… Ignore me!
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Please, Please, I fall on knees and beg to God…don’t you defend the Christian faith.
Let me answer for anyone else…don’t put limitations on God, they could say “how can God be three people?”.
Remember this Olaf, it is biblical…all faith on earth is defined by man, we all interpret it and we all fall short of perfection and we are all sinful…therefore all of our faith falls short and is sinful, all that you say is full of your sin. Didn’t someone say in the bible that if you knew what He knew, you would still be unknowing?
When you get to the Pearly Gates, you are allowed to shout out that question, but not until then.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 3:24 PM
The difference is this, BuyDanish stalks me, any chance she gets to throw in her two cents she does.
And BTW, I answered your concern with a link…you’re welcome. I did your work for you.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM
BigD on July 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Thanks for the tip, great article.
fossten on July 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Hmm I’m trying to follow your logic here… 78% of the USA are Christian “religious nuts” so the GOP is in “big trouble” by pandering to them?
Actually the GOP is in big trouble because they are giving the finger to the the “religious nut” Christians, 78% of this country.
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM
How nice, uninspired councils of men…well no bigotry here.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Anyone who would hold a candidate’s religion against them is a BIGOT. Plain and simple. Go back to the trailer park and sit the election out. I don’t care. If Romney is the most qualified, he should be the pick. Quit mixing religion with politics.
therightwinger on July 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM
So if someone practices VooDoo, that would be alright with you?
I think mixing religion and politics, like Huckabee or people like Dobson does, is wrong and I hold it against them.
I have never seen any proof that a “very religious” politician makes a good leader. Being religious and being a national leader, I feel, are counter-productive. The decisions you have to make as a politician, cannot be made the same way by a Pastor. Hence the comment by Jesus of not serving two masters.
You can’t follow Christ as a true follower, and be a politician.
I think you should have religious values, standards, but not have it rule your decisions on whether to allow the downtrodden to enter the U.S. and allow to partake in all of our wealth.
A true Christian would have open borders, would feed all of the hungry, would care for all of the needy.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Christians believe that Jesus is God.
Jesus is the Word of God made flesh.
Yes He was fully human and fully God at the same time…but Jesus He is the uncreated one..God Himself.
Yahweh in the Bible, God at the burning bush,the Word of the Lord that appeared to the prophets and Jacob and Abraham(who believed in Him and it was counted to him as righteousness)…they were all Jesus. All of the manifestations of God were Jesus himself.
You clearly believe in a different Jesus if you think He is a brother of mine or the angels and not God himself.
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM
We can’t wait. THIS election is too important.
What would he ad to the ticket? Nothing.
Who would Romney as veep inspire? Nobody.
Where will the GOP be if he is picked? Nowhere.
pseudonominus on July 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM
I’d wager the vast majority of that 78% are a lot more tolerant of a diversity of religious views than you are. It’s your absolutist brand of vituperation and shrill religiosity that most people find a bit creepy.
Grow Fins on July 22, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Like Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, the admitted child molesters…seems you are upset that I follow “uninspired”, but you readily follow the teachings of child molesters. I think I will stick with the uninspired speakers, the boring guys; you can rely on your men “prophets” who through the “eyes of God” married women already married, and married 14 year old girls.
In other words, I will take my Creed over your Creeps.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Just do us all a favor and go away. Permanently. Every damned post you make is an attempt to derail the thread into a pointless, unwinnable religious debate.
You’re not wanted here, contribute nothing interesting, and only serve to bring the place down. I’m sure there are a million religion-based blogs you can post at. I’m guessing that the Hucksters blog would be a nice place to have a religious circle-jerk discussion.
Hollowpoint on July 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM
I love how all the trolls are now trotting out the canard that Romney costs them the South.
I believe that Mr. Huckabee is not on the ticket in November- but radical secularist Barack Obama is.
You still win the South with a slight drop from the bigots and put some purple states and Michigan into play.
P.S.- for all the Mormon haters- have they been good and productive citizens that last 100+ years?
Yeah, I thought so.
jjshaka on July 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Au contraire, mon ami! That woman has juice… and it comes across on screen. She resonates with energy, both literally as a person and as a proponent of her state’s contribution to the American economy and jobs. She has managed to take on some entrenched politicos without relying on the sleazy-type of Chicago-machine tactics of OhBummer.
onlineanalyst on July 22, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Hey dude all I said was mormons aren’t Christians bc they believe Jesus and the devil are brothers.
cry me a river..
Everytime a mormon claims to be a Christian and someone corrects them…all the mormons here(hollowpoint/vanceone etc.)throw hissy fits, cry like little girls and insult the one who corrected them.
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Yeah they were such good productive citizens that the texas police didn’t have to break up their compound to stop the widespread child molesting and polygamy there a few months ago..
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM
The fact is unless they are of the same “tree” you shun them.
People come from all walks of life, religious affiliations and Nations here in our Great Country so they aren’t afraid to practice their religon or way of life and be left alone in peace.
Yet there are those such as yourself who think they are better then everyone else. You are not any better then anyone else. Get over it. Learn to accept that just because they aren’t like you doesn’t make them a lesser person!
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 4:36 PM
I’m not a Mormon you nutjob. I simply get annoyed by idiots who constantly attempt to derail threads by turning them into an off-topic, unwinnable, pointless religious debate. And that’s all you ever do here.
If you must talk religion and nothing but religion, save it for the next Hitchens thread, Mr. Holy Roller. Or better yet, just take it elsewhere and don’t come back.
Hollowpoint on July 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM
If McCain picks Sarah Palin to be his VP, my husband will vote for him. Heck, I’d swallow my bile and pull the lever for him too. If it’s Mitt Romney, though, still no game. However, I agree with the other who have said that he’d make a great RNC chairman.
About Obama and Virginia, I’m starting to worry. I’ve seen hundreds of Obama stickers (and about 2 dozen on separate cars with base stickers) on all sorts of vehicles down here… I think Obama has a stronger hold on Hampton Roads than McCain (I’ve seen some signs, some stickers, but nothing widespread). Of course, some crazy guy down the street still has a Ron Paul sign in his yard…
Anna on July 22, 2008 at 4:39 PM
The percentage of Evangelicals who threaten to sit out the election if Mitt Romney is on the ticket are probably the same ones who will avoid the polls because McCain is the presidential nominee.
A friend of mine describes this kind of behavior as “stupid stubborn”.
onlineanalyst on July 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Honest to God, upinak I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or why. I believe we exchanged some comments about Sarah Palin.
BigD on July 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Yeah they were such good productive citizens that the texas police didn’t have to break up their compound to stop the widespread child molesting and polygamy there a few months ago..
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Wow, that is really compelling ! Why I had no idea that fringe lunatics can take the name of a religion, engage in criminal activity and therefore Damn the Whole Religion!
Try a little harder junior.
jjshaka on July 22, 2008 at 4:52 PM
HUH! Ok I am lost. I am deffinately tired.. and now I am confizzeled.
Anyone have a pillow for my big fat head? My nerves are shot and in the middle of closing on a house with the interest rate going up is making me lose it.
Did I say something right or wrong?
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM
are you near any colleges ? i work commerical constuction and have been on 2 liberal arts schools for work in the past 6 months and the number of O stickers/signs are amazing
SaintOlaf on July 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM
palefaced on July 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Ok.. I just realized what you are talking about. I thought I did a copy/paste with the Alf and I guess I didn’t. I am sorry.
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM
wow. im a Christian and do not believe Mormon doctrine. Im independant Baptist, go read Matt. 7:3.
oops. supposed to be that way !
palefaced on July 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM
palefaced on July 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM
I live a few miles from Oceana NAS. The other day at the comissary, I saw a slew of them. I keep track only because of a bet I have with my husband. He’s at Ft. Meade, and they’re prolific on base there too (although not at the Agency). The nearest big college is ODU, which is in Norfolk, in an area you couldn’t pay me to drive through. I’m sure he’s got a lot of support there.
Anna on July 22, 2008 at 5:02 PM
I didn’t realize that it was such a wave there. Interesting.
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I’m suffering from a bit of cognative dissonence on my part, to see cars/trucks with both Marine stickers and Obama stickers. I see a lot of Marine/Che combos too. Odd, huh?
Anna on July 22, 2008 at 5:18 PM
I just spent about half an hour or so watching videos of Sarah Palin on YouTube, ranging from interviews (Beck, Kudlow, etc) to news footage, to campaign ads, to public addresses, to VP draft efforts and so on. She is an excellent communicator. She’s serious but cheerful and optimistic. She’s smart. She’s confident, articulate, engaging, persuasive, and forward-thinking. She conveys integrity and conservatism. And she’s all about tapping into Alaska’s (and the rest of America’s) resources. My conviction grows daily that she’s the one. Or at least she should be. If McCain doesn’t pick her for VP, we need to draft her to run in 2012 for sure.
aero on July 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Yeah it is. Up here, I have been seeing all sorts of Obama bumper stickers.. from the peaceniks to the rainbows to other ones I have to look at and figure out WTF it is.
McCain better get his bottom up here if he knows what is right.
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 5:22 PM
St. Olaf: 1) the people in Texas are NOT members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints–who is what everyone thinks of as “Mormon.” So you are misinformed, as usual. Nor do they claim to be LDS. To judge the “mormons” on them is about as fair as me taking you as a representative of evangelicals. Good thing I don’t, right?
For right2bright, I maintain that if you lived in Bible times, you’d never follow the prophets then, either–or Christ. They were “flawed humans” too, you know. Judah slept with prostitutes, Jacob had two concubines, Solomon killed his brothers and generals (and he wrote several books in the Bible!), Paul held the coats while someone was murdered, Peter denied the Christ…. by golly, you’d better give up your faith now! In fact, Abraham himself took a likely underage girl into his bed in his old age–I expect to see you reject him too.
Point being, you can’t apply one standard to Bible people and another today.
As for this thread, Palin would be a great VP; I’ve said that either her or Romney are ok.
Vanceone on July 22, 2008 at 5:31 PM
I like Palin but don’t think she’s ready to be President yet, and find the Palinmania a bit premature at this point in time.
As I’ve said before, if Mitt is Mac’s veep and runs again in 2012, Palin would probably make a fine Veep choice. So would Jindal, but like Palin, he needs to get more experience and accomplishments under his belt.
Buy Danish on July 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM
From the peanut gallery….
John, let Barry finish his tour. It is shaping up into a fiasco. Then pick who you will, as along as it’s someone I like :)
Limerick on July 22, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Hmmm the bear skin comes to mind….
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 6:04 PM
When Mitt threw in the towel as the Presidential runner, I had a feeling that he was talked to about a cabinet position with Mccain. Mitt would be a good vp (although I’d rather have him president). He is money saavy, handles himself professionally, is well spoken, seems like a generally decent guy. And it may soothe things over for those people who dislike Mccain due to his shamnesty and mccain/feingold malarky. The more obama is researched and found out and exposed making people really think about how much damage he could do to the USA, a good solid vp choice will prove crucial to those that were against mccain initially.
diaphanous on July 22, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Hey! Sister! (I can call you that now)…
Hanging up the business. I accepted a job from a petroleum carrier today. I’m now part of the problem….hehehehehehehe….400+ rigs. Looks like Allah will see a bit less of me soon, but when I’m here I’ll be loud.
Limerick on July 22, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Very COOL! Congrats!
Ok so what area are you going to be in? Same area? Wanna hire me 2 and 2 LMFAO! J/K.
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 6:14 PM
North Texas, but the outfit has operations in 9 states, Canada and Mexico. Admin job but it beats the hell out of my wife and I trying to keep our shop open. Tired of writing the checks.
Besides I now have a legitimate reason to give Gore the raspberry!
Limerick on July 22, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Yeah sometimes when a home mom and pops is losing money … all you want to do is just cry. Congrats! Admin or not you are going to be learning a lot if you don’t already know it. I have a feeling I know what you are doing, but I will keep that to myself.
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Yep. Time to move to the next horizon.
:)
Limerick on July 22, 2008 at 6:19 PM
If that was a inuendo.. you just blew your cover ;-) LOL!
upinak on July 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM
1. Republicans can not ignore the Religious Right.
2. The Religious Right though ought to respect Romney’s Pro-life, Stem-cell research conversions.
3. Romney is dull (not as dull as McCain, but still) – even after putting millions of his own money he STILL didnt catch on.
4. Gov. Palin will get us the most votes right now. She still is more experienced than Obama. Palin adds excitment. McCain is dullsville – he needs to gamble a bit on his VP choice.
winged on July 22, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Because the men of the bible you stated were chosen by God, not self appointed.
But if you think molesting (and you do because you have defended it) is alright for your prophets to do, then that is your choice of who you want to follow. If your only defense is “they did it 2,000 years ago, they can do it now”, then have at it.
I am glad that you are proud to follow such men. And I am even more astonished that you admit it.
(curious how months ago you denied they ever did, now you are defending it…at least you are learning the real history and not revisionist history)
For your real history try this. Can’t be anyone who was more involved with Mormonism then these two great Mormon’s.
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I think either Palin or Romney would be great additions, not just ok.
I would rather see Palin sooner to force Obama’s hand, and Romney later for the financial impact. At a time when Obama may be running tight on cash, an infusion of Romney capital would hurt the Dems.
right2bright on July 22, 2008 at 6:50 PM
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