Obama to Couric: You know, I’m not sure how many troops I’ll keep in Iraq
posted at 8:28 pm on July 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Consider this a complement to the “flexibility” word games I wrote about earlier. We know he’s shooting for 16 months; we also know he (properly) reserves the prerogative of strategic decisions to himself as president. Beyond that, we don’t know jack:
Couric: You talk about a residual force remaining in Iraq, but you’ve been hesitant to really give a number … to people. You haven’t been specific, though some of your advisors have said it could be tens of thousands of troops. Why can’t you be more specific as to what you envision?
Obama: Now, keep in mind that when I talk about timetables, people say that’s too specific, with respect to residual force, maybe not specific enough. I think this is an example of a tactical issue. How do you execute a mission that requires commanders on the ground to make that decision? My job as commander-in-chief would be to indicate to them here’s our goal, here are the missions that we need to carry out. Now, you tell me what it is that we need in terms of boots on the ground, in terms of equipment, in terms of other capabilities that are gonna be required. The overarching strategy is not something that I can deflect to the general. That’s something that I have to make a decision at of, if I am president of the United States.
Couric: Having said that, if General Petraeus or the chairman of the joint chiefs, Admiral Mullen, say to you, “Hey, President Obama …”
Obama: Right.
Couric: …if that comes to pass, “you cannot take out the final complement of combat troops. You need them in the theater,” you would say?
Obama: I will always listen to the commanders on the ground. And I will make an assessment based on the facts at that time.
If he considers troop levels to be a tactical rather than a strategic issue and therefore something to be guided by the advice of his generals rather than dictated from the top down as C-in-C, how is he able to set even an informal timetable? Petraeus, his would-be Centcom commander, is already telling him that a timetable unmoored to conditions is a bad idea. Is that a strategic or tactical judgment? Does it matter, since he’d have the final say anyway? He’s drawing an artificial distinction here in order to avoid having to commit to an estimate of the number of troops he hopes/plans to draw down. Which is fine by me, since it leaves him room to inch away from a total withdrawal later on, but presumably not so fine by the left for the same reason. Imagine, for instance, he tells Odierno that manpower is desperately needed in Afghanistan and therefore he wants to try to free up 50,000 troops by accelerating the handover of provincial security to Iraqi forces. No dice, says Odierno; we can spare 20,000, but those other 30,000 will be needed as back-up for awhile since the Iraqis aren’t fully prepared yet for their lead role. 50,000 versus 20,000 is a big deal, sufficiently so to matter to voters, I’d think. We have no sense from his answer what he’d do.
Elsewhere in the interview, he reiterates his opposition to the surge:
Couric: But yet you’re saying … given what you know now, you still wouldn’t support [the surge] … so I’m just trying to understand this.
Obama: Because … it’s pretty straightforward. By us putting $10 billion to $12 billion a month, $200 billion, that’s money that could have gone into Afghanistan. Those additional troops could have gone into Afghanistan. That money also could have been used to shore up a declining economic situation in the United States. That money could have been applied to having a serious energy security plan so that we were reducing our demand on oil, which is helping to fund the insurgents in many countries. So those are all factors that would be taken into consideration in my decision — to deal with a specific tactic or strategy inside of Iraq.
Lots of “factors,” near-total flexibility — again, fine by me, not so fine for the left. Also, notwithstanding the political reality of both sides refusing to admit error in their Iraq judgments, I’m surprised that he’s as reluctant as he is to change his position on the surge in hindsight given (a) how much improvement there’s been, (b) what the likely consequences would have been if it hadn’t worked, and (c) the fact that he can still tout his initial judgment on the war to voters as evidence that he’s savvier than McCain. A “serious energy security plan” would be wonderful, but the alternate-history timeline in this scenario includes possible Srebrenicas. When Jake Tapper says Obama hasn’t learned anything, he isn’t kidding.
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Geez o peetz, I wonder how many Americans heard his stammering on Rush today?
AMartinez on July 22, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Translation: In my priorities, I put porkbarrel spending ahead of genoicide.
Wethal on July 22, 2008 at 8:33 PM
He sure likes to tell people to keep things in mind. You see, everyone is an idiot, and if Obama doesn’t set the record straight, they’ll just keep being idiots.
BTW, Obama is about 6.8 Courics. And Couric is a whopping 10 Courics.
VolMagic on July 22, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Obama’s strategy is to confuse people so much that they will move on to the next issue.
WisCon on July 22, 2008 at 8:34 PM
“I’ll” as in I will? A humble man would saw “I would” since he is not yet POTUS. Ah, I forget, he IS The Messiah.
Dingbat63 on July 22, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Does it really make any difference anymore what Obama says to Couric about how many troops he would keep in Iraq after 16 months?
I can just “see” it all now.
It has come to my
joyfulattention that while I was in the middle easttrying to look Presidential, one of the most important and sensitive parts of the world, Senator John McCain publicly attacked my loyalty to the United States of America! Asthe Messiaha candidate for the highest office in our land, as a U.S. Senator and as an American citizen, I am absolutely outraged and call on him to immediatelythrow himself under a busrepudiate his slanderous remarks. This kind ofbig boost to my campaigndisgusting smear has no place in America and is especiallyhelpfuldisgusting from someone who had pledged to run a decent and issues oriented campaign.– Barack Obama (Barley able to restrain his joy at having an idiot as an opponent while Michelle O. is out picking out White House drapes)
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 8:35 PM
stop the both sides stuff…it is more wimpy than Obama
tomas on July 22, 2008 at 8:36 PM
With rhetorical questions like this, I honestly cannot believe he is even considered qualified enough to wipe his own behind.
Weight of Glory on July 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Like he said, he’ll be President for 8 to 10 years, so he’ll have plenty of time to decide.
RBMN on July 22, 2008 at 8:39 PM
But he does have a cool ride with the “O” logo on the vertical stabilizer rather than that oppressive American Flag that all other US aircraft have. This is “change”. Can you imagine how he and Michelle will repaint Air Force One?
Dingbat63 on July 22, 2008 at 8:40 PM
AP, are you not falling into the Kmeic trap?
Do you know what Obama’s gonna do when the time comes, or are you just hoping he isn’t as crazy as his base is?
VolMagic on July 22, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Why the willingness on the one hand to acknowledge that a troop pullout must be based on ground conditions and yet at the same time refuse to acknowledge the success of the surge?
Rejecting the surge narrative plays to his left base; but he then takes that off the table by finessing the troop withdrawal.
What’s his end game?
SteveMG on July 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Jake Tapper apparently has been watching Obama so hard that he forgot to watch McCain.
It’s like that old line about not having to outrun the bear, just the other guy.
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Are we giving Iraq modern Fighter-Bombers, artillery, tanks, etc?
Or will the Iraqi military never really be able to stand on their own?
alphie on July 22, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Lots of factors means lots of voices. Voices that Barry will not be able to satisfy so he will do nothing.
When has this man ever demonstrated that he can grab ahold of just ONE factor and stick with it, on anything?
We are looking at a Carter, rocking in his chair, and worrying that the phone might ring.
I came. I saw. I played opossum.
Limerick on July 22, 2008 at 8:51 PM
What he’s saying is that the surge was a mistake. Republicans should beat him over the head with that from now till November.
Seriously.
He says we should have given Iraq to Al Qeada and kept the money.
Good Lord, if we can’t beat this guy we can’t beat an egg.
Diogenes of Sinope on July 22, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Ed, I am thoroughly impressed with your consistent ability to dissect Uhbama’s mindless prevarication. My brain melts just contemplating his weasel ways.
Thanks.
Maquis on July 22, 2008 at 8:55 PM
You may have just written McCain’s epithet.
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Cut the moronic tin soldier some slack…He no doubt has to check with Generals Louie Farrakan, and Jeramiah Wright. /Sarcasm
byteshredder on July 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Er, you’re welcome. I’ll pass that message along to Ed.
Allahpundit on July 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM
As I keep saying, what a target rich environment…all we need is someone that can, and will, shoot.
Dingbat63 on July 22, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Have ye faith,just remember,Obama,will have a crack
commando squad on 24/7-360 days of the year awaiting
at a moments notice,to take on a surprise AQ attack!
canopfor on July 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Do you see how he lies about EVERYTHING?
That Folks, is “Taqiyah“!
Say anything, to anyone, anytime, and never be responsible for it!
Time the American people WAKE up!
Dale in Atlanta on July 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Okay, we appreciate your efforts too.
Bloggers and their egos. Sheesh.
SteveMG on July 22, 2008 at 9:02 PM
ehh…uhhh…ehhh…ahh…uhhh…emmm…seven minutes of it
Ropera on July 22, 2008 at 9:02 PM
I made this a couple of weeks ago – but it somehow seems to be continually relevant:
http://nomayo.mu.nu/obama_policy_meeting
Stephen Macklin on July 22, 2008 at 9:03 PM
So he would have let Iraq fall to AQ and Iran and screwing us in the middle east for good, to put more troops into a infinite stalemate? (cause let`s face it, that`s what it`ll always be)
ThePrez on July 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see. McCain just keeps shooting himself in his own asno.
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Fighter bombers…
alphie on July,22 2008 at 8:50PM.
alphie: There going one better,scuttlebut has it,there
shipping as I speak,the ole’ nuclear artillery
cannon,it will be more affective than Gerald
Bull’s Supergun,what say you?
canopfor on July 22, 2008 at 9:10 PM
So let me see. Obama has learned that the problem with the sieve like Afghan-Pak border and the inability of Pakistan to control their terrorists along it is because of, ummm, India.
Sure. If he were on the internet we’d call him a troll.
Dusty on July 22, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I thought Obama already admitted The Surge worked, and he even claimed it was because of Democrats…
scottm on July 22, 2008 at 9:19 PM
“Because … it’s pretty straightforward”
uh sure
aikidoka on July 22, 2008 at 9:23 PM
The strategy will be to end the war and bring the troops home. The result will be to leave troops there, according to what the Generals say they need. He will also send some troops to Afghanistan.
Easy.
MayBee on July 22, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Jack Trapper over at ABC certainly doesn’t sound impressed by the Messiah!
Dale in Atlanta on July 22, 2008 at 9:24 PM
What we really need here is some of Ron Paul’s sage thinking.
*Gaaaaaaaacccccchhhhhhhh!!
Sorry..Not only did I throw up just a little in my mouth there..I think I see some pancreas and liver…
*whew*
BigWyo on July 22, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Ron Paul? Who’s that?
scottm on July 22, 2008 at 9:29 PM
… it will be more affective than Gerald
Bull’s Supergun … – CanOp
Wow, I’m impressed CanOp! Not too many people even remember that little episode. But naaah, Saddam was no real threat to anyone, right libs? I mean, what’s a few artillery shells landing on those eeeeeevil joooos anyway?
Tony737 on July 22, 2008 at 9:39 PM
That little Blog over at ABC, just shows, IF the MSM cared to exposed it, just how truly STUPID and ARROGANT this man really is!
Wasn’t Obama (PBUH) the freaking Ass-clown, who a few months ago during the Primaries, trying to convince everyone that he had major Foreign Policy experience, because he spent two or three weeks over in Pakistan on vacation during his colledge days?
So now, Obama says, having gotten a briefing in Afghanistan, he’s “learned some things“, including the fact that there’s “tension” between India and Pakistan!
HOLY F&*%ing S%$t!
He learned that JUST NOW??
Since he’s the Messiah, one would’ve thought he would have learned that during his Magical Mystery tour back in 1980! By the way, can anyone prove that Obama didn’t train in an Al Qaeda Jihadi Camp, when he went on that trip back in his college days??
Or, maybe he would’ve just learned about the “tension” betwen India and Pakistan by JUST PAYING ATTENTION, sometime, during the past 28 years!
So, HIS EXALTEDNESS, Barack HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW) is going to just go and “sit down” and talk to them, and Viola!, 61 YEARS of “tension”, armed conflict, insurrection, proxy wars, nuclear standoff, territorial disputes, Jihad, terrorist attacks, Ethnic and Religious rivalries, etc., is just going to magically disappear!
This guy is beyond Arrogant and Stupid; I’m starting to think he is criminally insane!
Dale in Atlanta on July 22, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Gerald Bull was a weird guy, can.
Once we leave, Maliki and his successors can always buy modern military equipment from China and Russia, I guess.
alphie on July 22, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Keep pressing him and he will fold. Watching his new conference today, he was stepping all over himself.
- The Cat
P.S. In one part it was like he was saying either the Iraqis were lazy or moochers.
MirCat on July 22, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Gerald bull..
Tony737 on July 22,2008 at 9:39PM.
Tony737: Tony,remember,Knowledge is Power,and Power is
Victory!
Yup,I’ve got these tidbits deeply engrained into
my memory banks,haha.
Tony,found this last week: Ron Brown’s Plane
Crash.
Air Crash Investigations/Mayday-The Fog of War
Part i!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKetUidt-kg
canopfor on July 22, 2008 at 9:56 PM
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/kilibarda/islamist.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_MacKenzie
http://www.cmr-net.ch/civsoc/ev_belgrade_031114Arvanites.pdf
Allahpundit
Sorry to go off topic but I see you used the word Srebrenicia like it was a sovereign description of something. Here are some links to information not seen in the US much it seems.
BL@KBIRD on July 22, 2008 at 9:57 PM
canopfor on July 22, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Thank you, I was about to suggest that alphie learn to love the bomb! As for My Blistred 4skin, do yourself a favor and kneel before The Messiah your savoir, your lord and master. Come November, grasp the handle and cast your vote for anyone but McCain, then slink off to some dark corner and relish the rebel that you are since you missed out on the 60’s becuase of duty, honor, country. If not part of the solution, you are the problem!
dmann on July 22, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Wow.
Tony737 on July 22,2008 at 9:39PM.
Tony737: I’m with you on the Israeli,I back Israel
200%,Israel will do,what Israel has to do!!
canopfor on July 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Barry Mugabe Obama will carry on the African tradition of power politics. It is oozing out all around him.
wepeople on July 22, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Thank-you…
dmann on July 22,2008 at 10:01PM.
dmann: Thanks on that,68,69,70,I remember,as a young
Navy leaguer,freezing my #ss off in the remembrance
of the Battle of the Atlantic Parade,and of course
Remembrance Day Parade!:)
canopfor on July 22, 2008 at 10:10 PM
So let me see. Obama has learned that the problem with the sieve like Afghan-Pak border and the inability of Pakistan to control their terrorists along it is because of, ummm, India.
Sure. If he were on the internet we’d call him a troll.
Dusty on July 22, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Comical post of the evening. Thanks for the laugh.
swami on July 22, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Uhhhh…what?!?!?!?
SouthernGent on July 22, 2008 at 10:17 PM
canopfor on July 22, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Amazing what our parents made us do….we are all far better for having done it! My most “bitter” memory is of a wind sweep tarmac at Otis AFB paying tribute to the lost EC-121 crews that stood between freedom and the Russkies!
dmann on July 22, 2008 at 10:19 PM
My solution is to rid the Republican party of shamnesty pushing, assault on the First Amendment, Al Gore Global Warming koolaid drinking, “#uck you. I know more than anyone else in this room” cranky old coots. Until that problem is taken care of we are stuck in McLodi. Unless that problem is taken care of we will always be stuck in McLodi. Sometimes to make an omelet you have to crack a few McEggs.
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Amazing what our parents made us do…
dmann on July 22,2008 at 10:19PM.
dmann: Ain’t that the truth,but I actually loved it!
One story I remember,selling poppys door to door,
this butler comes to the door,I wait,then this older
women comes to the door,she buys one,then she says
do you have a minute,and I said of course,she claimed
she lost four sons,Canadian’s in World War Two,after
I left,I think i cried an hour straight,it just got
to me,but she was extremely proud!
As the saying goes,those were the days my friends!:)
canopfor on July 22, 2008 at 10:42 PM
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 10:35 PM
What year is that whine….w/o the Repubes and McEggs we got squat…dude! The damage that will be done by Obama, Reid and Pelosi will be terminal….death by a thousand paper cuts. It is time for siege mentality, any port in the storm. You should know better than most, a cold C ration is far better than a warm bowl of Hochi rice. Better to die free than to live compromised!
dmann on July 22, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Dude, you said “16 months.” What in the Hell could that possibly refer to besides a specific date?
What’s really funny about all this is how the media keep claiming that when McCain said we’d keep troops in Iraq “100 years” if that’s what it takes — and THAT is treated as an official timeline.
But when Obama said he’d remove them in 16 months? That’s just – what – a figure of speech?
Oh, wait, that’s right: Obama’s The Messiah, isn’t he? So this must constitute a parable. For Him, saying He’ll (somehow, magically) remove the equipment that’s over there in 16 months is like when the Bible says the Universe was created in 7 days.
Like God, Obama doesn’t have to make literal sense. That’s not His job. Instead it’s our job to try and figure out the deeper meanings hidden in His Word.
logis on July 22, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Ain’t that the truth,but I actually loved it!
Because it was right, even kids understood “do the right thing” back in the day. We were proud of ourselves and what our country had accomplished, and so was the world! Time to draw some MSM blood….they do not represent America and as such are true enemies of the system that allows them a voice…pathetic!
dmann on July 22, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Obama is proposing Bush’s Iraq plan.
And Democrats love him for it.
Liberal is nothing but a synonym for gullible.
drjohn on July 22, 2008 at 11:07 PM
You have ACS (Abused Conservative Syndrome). That’s “assuming” that you are a conservative. It is similar to AWS (Abused Wife Syndrome). You must buck up and be ready to go through the fire.
“Obama will kill you! if you don’t vote for Juan McVain” just doesn’t cut it with me anymore.
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Sounds like you want to tear up even more of the First Amendment than Juan “McCain/Feinstein” McCoot does.
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 11:13 PM
benrand on July 22, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Dr.John,
I agree, that’s Bush’s plan! What will Moveon say?
CBS was more fair than I thought they would be–she asked fairly tough questions and gave McCain rebuttal time (he didn’t do so well, trying too hard) and did mock themselves from being in love with Obama.
I think it’s going to hurt Obama. Maverick better take off the gloves pretty soon, though.
PattyJ on July 22, 2008 at 11:25 PM
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Best tear it up than have it stuffed down my throat by those whom use it to pervert the rule of the majority!
dmann on July 22, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Amartinez,
“Geez o peetz,”
Are you from Michigan?
exhelodrvr on July 22, 2008 at 11:33 PM
MB4 on July 22, 2008 at 11:10 PM
When RWR’s light up I don’t debate the intent or look for any nuanced possibiliy. Obama is a threat plain and simple, call me what you may, I don’t give a rats ass. I am mature enough to compromise my theoratical principles inorder to defeat the enemy….I can see the forest dispite the trees!
dmann on July 22, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Consider it a complement!
Maquis on July 22, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Obama isn’t sure of anything, until his handlers TELL him what he is sure of and give him his script!
Gatordoug on July 22, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Oh, it’s straightforward all right.
If the surge had not taken place, nothing he could do or say about Afghanistan would mean anything. Iraq would be in flames to the Iranian border and beyond; the Saudis would still be pouring jihadis into the fire; only God knows what would be going on from the Iraqi-Syrian border to Turkey to Haifa.
Afghanistan might probably be the least of our worries.
He’s a clown. Someone put a red rubber nose on him.
Jaibones on July 22, 2008 at 11:49 PM
You have made yourself so vulnerable to what could so easily be said that I don’t even want to go there.
MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Not when you keep hitting you head against juan of the trees.
MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 12:40 AM
You forgot the genocide and the moon crashing into the earth.
Oh, and the great acceleration of Global Warming! Don’t forget that.
BTW, speaking of Turkey … … …
MB4 on July 23, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Is there anything he IS sure of?
desertdweller on July 23, 2008 at 1:43 AM
While the media obsessed last weekend with Maliki’s apparent agreement with Obama’s “firm” 16 month timetable, it looks like we may be seeing something even more surprising, partially as a result of that meeting: Obama’s now accelerating his pivot towards requiring “flexibility” in determining the endgame in Iraq, a position that is surprisingly similar to the pre-edit Maliki quote from Der Spiegel, and not too far off from the previously articulated Maliki/Bush “time horizon” language.
Big S on July 23, 2008 at 2:02 AM
I get so tired of “true conservatives” like the Paulnuts and MB4 telling the rest of us that we’re selling out the Republican party. Be sure to say “I told you so” when the Democrats have a filibuster-proof majority and the presidency.
The rest of us aren’t stupid. We’re just not unreasonable. Plus, if Fred! had gotten off his ass earlier, or Mitt had kept going, or Huck wasn’t just…scary, then maybe McCain wouldn’t be the nominee.
If you don’t want to vote for McCain, then don’t. But don’t presume to call idiots those who aren’t so short-sighted.
prolix on July 23, 2008 at 2:50 AM
I have discovered you can save a lot of time and aggravation if you just skip right past MB4’s posts. Read one, read em all anyway.
Terrye on July 23, 2008 at 6:37 AM
Besides, it never occurs to the Paulbots how truly weird and strange their candidate is. What does that say about their judgment? McCain did not even have to acknowledge the Ron Paul’s existence to beat him in the primaries. So maybe the rest of us are not the idiots.
Terrye on July 23, 2008 at 6:39 AM
In fact Prolix is absolutely right.
As for Obama, listening to him talk is like watching a snake swallow itself. This is how he gets support from people. He makes them think he agrees with them and then all of sudden he turns it all around.
I heard that he and Maliki did not actually talk about any timelines when they met. They were probably afraid to, specifics can be dangerous. Just keep things loose.
Terrye on July 23, 2008 at 6:43 AM
“listening to him talk is like watching a snake swallow itself..”
Very nice, Terrye, very nice!
“..He makes them think he agrees with them and then all of sudden he turns it all around.”
Yes Terrye, there’s a word for this, it’s “Taqiyah“
Dale in Atlanta on July 23, 2008 at 7:44 AM
[emphasis mine]
Um, in light of this – what do we do with this imbecile now?
KrisinNE on July 23, 2008 at 8:18 AM
I have discovered you can save a lot of time and aggravation if you just skip right past MB4’s posts. Read one, read em all anyway.
Terrye on July 23, 2008 at 6:37 AM
I discovered the same thing. But it can be time consuming trying to sort through the flack. Kinda like trying to carry on an interesting and intelligent conversation with friends while some kid over in the corner in throwing a screaming, “look at me” tantrum.
I prefer threads where MB4 is absent or where he’s ignored -where the thread does not get off track and most of the posts are not, “you’re an idiot”, “no, you’re the idiot,”.
Rod on July 23, 2008 at 8:29 AM
Even with the luxury of 20/20 hindsight Barry still doesn’t get it. That is not a sign of wisdom, it’s the sign of a dunce.
Buy Danish on July 23, 2008 at 8:31 AM
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