Obama agrees to non-debate forum with McCain
posted at 10:00 am on July 21, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Jim Rutenberg credits it to God, but the sudden decision by Barack Obama to reverse himself and attend a joint function with John McCain has a lot more to do with wooing God’s flock than anything else. Rick Warren of the huge Southern California Saddleback Church will “interview” each candidate separately in front of the flock on August 16th. They will only share the stage for the briefest of moments, and the only one asking questions will be Reverend Warren:
The Rev. Rick Warren has persuaded the candidates to attend a forum at his Saddleback Church, in Lake Forest, Calif., on Aug. 16. In an interview, Mr. Warren said over the weekend that the presidential candidates would appear together for a moment but that he would interview them in succession at his megachurch.
Word of the forum came as a leading conservative Christian, James C. Dobson, signaled that he might reverse his position and endorse Mr. McCain, The Associated Press reported. …
“I just got to thinking, you know what? These guys have never been together on the same stage, it would be a neat way to cap the primary season before they both go to the conventions and things go dark for a couple of weeks,” he said. “I’ve known both the guys for a long time, they’re both friends of mine, and I knew them before they ran for office, so I just called them up.”
He said that both had readily agreed, perhaps reflecting how each candidate is courting the evangelical audience to whom Mr. Warren ministers.
Rutenberg identified Obama’s motivation for his reversal clearly, although it isn’t terribly difficult to deduce. Obama wants to make inroads among evangelicals, and Rick Warren leads a large and influential group of them. He won’t find a friendlier venue, given his personal relationship with Warren, and Warren tells Rutenberg that he doesn’t plan asking tough questions of either candidate.
Still, with Dobson already signaling a pending endorsement for McCain, it may come as too little, too late for Obama. A Dobson endorsement would give the clearest signal of the season to evangelicals that despite their initial resistance to McCain, the election comes down to a choice — and that Obama is bad enough to push longtime McCain critic Dobson into an endorsement. Warren may not ask Obama about abortion with his insistence on keeping things light at Saddleback, but evangelicals are not going to forget Obama’s support for abortion, especially late-term abortion:
“There’s nothing dishonorable in a person rethinking his or her positions, especially in a constantly changing political context,” Dobson said in a statement to the AP. “Barack Obama contradicts and threatens everything I believe about the institution of the family and what is best for the nation. His radical positions on life, marriage and national security force me to reevaluate the candidacy of our only other choice, John McCain.”
While the media will undoubtedly celebrate this as a compromise on McCain’s town-hall challenge, it is a measure of Obama that he won’t even agree to take questions or debate McCain in a venue this friendly. Obama still can’t bring himself to engage McCain in a spontaneous environment, even with Reverend Warren at his side to ensure that it remains pleasant, and in this case superficial. How exactly will Obama deal with America’s enemies when he can’t even share a stage for more than a moment with his political opponent?
And do you suppose that the Fort Hood Presidential Town Hall Consortium wonders how a spot miraculously opened on Obama’s schedule? They have been asking Obama for weeks to attend their town-hall forum in August on any day available. It seems that Obama has only enough courage to appear at Saddleback Church and not the men and women of the military.
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Shockah!
jgapinoy on July 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Obama is the biggest pussy in the history of Presidential politics. Michelle has more balls than he.
How long will the press allow him to hide behind her pants?
drjohn on July 21, 2008 at 10:05 AM
A monumental waste of time.
orlandocajun on July 21, 2008 at 10:05 AM
For those wanting to know exactly what Dobson is saying about McCain & BO (without the media filtering the message), simply go to family.org & click “listen to the daily broadcast”.
jgapinoy on July 21, 2008 at 10:09 AM
As long as it takes to get him in the WH. He’s black. That is all that matters. (plus, it’s his only qualification other than he can read teleprompters.)
stenwin77 on July 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Dude, you saw what they did for Clinton. Obama could hide inside Michelle’s pants and they wouldn’t say anything. This a**clown gets elected and we’re going to see press contortions that would make the old Pravda crew blush.
austinnelly on July 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM
So this mean B.O. will show up in flowing white robes and sandals?
pilamaye on July 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM
But this is the appropriate roll of religious leaders. Warren wrote a book, and he is mostly a ‘feel good’ preacher. . . but still I prefer preachers to take this roll.
If a religious leader endorses one person over another person, then it is a lose lose situation. If that person doesn’t do what you want, you are blamed. If that person doesn’t win, you lose access to the political structure.
Religious leaders shouldn’t endorse particular candidates. They should use their time addressing issues that are important to them. . . not people that they think will help their issues.
ThackerAgency on July 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Perfect venue for McCain to throw down the challenge to appear at Fort Hood. Making the case in public, with the media watching, would be perfect.
“If Obama can find time in his schedule for Rick Warren, he can find it for the fighting men and women of this country and their families. I will be at the town hall debate at Fort Hood. Will Obama?”
Wethal on July 21, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Then what’s the point? Tough questioning doesn’t have to be confrontational. A forum of Larry-King like questions is a waste of everybody’s time.
highhopes on July 21, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Is Allah responsible for “Mitt Tanks the Ticket”?
From the American Spectator, no less? Of course they don’t want Mitt.
BTW, I’m a Catholic, fiscal and social conservative who likes Mitt Romney. Can we stop trying to kill our own?
eaglesdontflock on July 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM
He’s known Obama for a long time and is still friends with him? Time to rethink my support for Rick’s books.
If I may.
fourstringfuror on July 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Give Obama a break, he’s just being strategic. He’ll put off facing down McCain in a debate as long as he has to. We saw that Obama managed to go against his Democratic rivals in several debates, although that has to be seen as a bit friendlier than going against McCain. He’s going to have to give up the debate virginity at some point, or else people are going to start to talk.
Seixon on July 21, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Warren endorsed Obama.
Akzed on July 21, 2008 at 10:30 AM
I still find it hard to imagine Obama having any substantial appeal to Christian conservatives. They might stay at home rather than vote for McCain. But vote for Obama? It’s a pipe dream.
Or maybe Obama isn’t out so much for votes as he is to neutralize his negativity with this group, on the theory that more would stay at home on election day.
petefrt on July 21, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Only after the obligatory luncheon featuring loaves and fishes.
If I wasn’t so lazy, I’d attend one of his rallies on crutches and halfway through, toss them aside and start yelling that he healed me.
trubble on July 21, 2008 at 10:35 AM
A no telePrompTer moment? It could be like Popeye without his spinach. Too bad it will only be softball questions like, “Who taught you to play basketball, Barack?”
Travis1 on July 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM
What is the point if no tough questions are asked? Huge waste of time and effort. What a farce. Of course, we should have known it would be a kiss up interview or Obama wouldn’t have agreed.
katieanne on July 21, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Of course Obama would be glad to go to the Saddleback Church, the polls told him to do it. This is getting embarrassing.
volsense on July 21, 2008 at 10:44 AM
Dobson and Warren may both be evengelical Christians, but that’s about where is ends, imo. Warren is increasingly liberal, and Dobson is profoundly conservative.
Warren’s charade – look at the issues he says he wants to discuss: “Mr. Warren’s main areas of focus, like AIDS, poverty and the environment” – is designed only to get Obama in front of his church in a forum where he can’t get hurt. No national defense, no Israel, no abortion, no spending.
AIDS in Africa? Aren’t we huge spenders for African aid of all kinds already? Is he expecting one of these two to proclaim a ban?
Jaibones on July 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Why should he risk having to defend his childish political views and ignorance of history with a grizzled old senator?
Akzed on July 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM
You mean he hasn’t?
Wonder if any discussion of Obama’s twenty year theological philosophy will come up?
Jaibones on July 21, 2008 at 10:55 AM
McCain should have an empty stool prominently positioned at every one of his town hall meetings to represent chicken Barack’s cowardice. He could call it the missing man formation for empty suits.
horatio on July 21, 2008 at 10:57 AM
I’d start filling out the IRS complaint for right now. Pastor Warren and his church can say, “Bye-Bye” to their tax-exempt status. Yes, the ‘Rats, especially our Impeached ex-President and his charming wife, Bruno, were always using church meetings (illegally) for political purposes and never called on the carpet for this. Where are the liberals with this intermingling of Church and State? Oh yeah, it’ll probably benefit Barry so it’s okay.
GeneSmith on July 21, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Jaibones,
Total U.S. aid to Africa over the past 100 years is equal to about 2 months spending on our occupation of Iraq.
Is that “huge?”
Depends on whether your cronies can siphon off most of it or not, I guess…
alphie on July 21, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Billions of dollars isn’t huge? what are you, a congressman?
trubble on July 21, 2008 at 11:10 AM
You beat me to it. These are increasingly dangerous times. President of the United States ought to be able to take some hard questions, God forbid if anyone can find the means and balls to actually ask this pansy Messiah.
4shoes on July 21, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Why do I sense this whole episode is about promoting Rick Warren?
I’m sorry, I read “A Purpose Driven Life” and sold it a few months later at my community yard sale.
Topic Change: The American Spectator has hated Mitt from the beginning. The only reason I ever visit their site is to read Lawrence Henry.
BigD on July 21, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Even if I make the stunning assumption that you have a clue about the actual investment in medical and AIDS-related aid to African countries, yeah, that’s huge.
Our spending in Iraq and the wot is related to the single most important national defense issue since the dissolution of the USSR, national defense being the most important job of the Federal government.
Other non-government spending by Americans to aid Africa adds billion$, which is where Warren should be focusing his distractions, since he has nothing to do with government.
Maybe someone should help him with a remedial class on the Bible. You up to it, alphie?
Jaibones on July 21, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Billion here, billion there, … you know the rest.
Jaibones on July 21, 2008 at 11:26 AM
We can dream.
If someone from the McCain camp is reading, you really ought to listen to us. We’re your base, and if you want to know how to win this election, you could do a lot worse than read the posts and comments here.
Bob's Kid on July 21, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Obama only seems to respond to things that are put on countdown timers. If the good folks at Ft Hood would start a clock showing how many days have passed since they offered the invitation, the Obama camp might respond. They seem to be hard wired that way. I blame Chris Wallace from Fox News.
Just A Grunt on July 21, 2008 at 11:39 AM
As long as it takes.
They actively hide any stupidity coming from this chump, and actively try helping his election.
It’s amazing.
benrand on July 21, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Ed, who is going to challenge Obama about this? Fox News Channel? You? The MSM is not going to play this angle up in any serious way, and the GOP is impotent to do anything about it either.
Obama has shifted to a run-out-the-clock mode and wants to protect his lead in the general election. He can’t do that if he’s subject to scrutiny or difficult questions by John McCain, or any questioner. (Remember that BO was the #1 Democrat leading the fight to refuse to debate on Fox News during the primary season).
It’s smart politics on Obama’s part. Now the ball is in McCain’s court to try and be something other than an also-ran and make some hay from Obama’s actions.
Outlander on July 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM
But Obama will debate McCain anytime anywhere, as long as its not during the summer or fall months, not on Fox News, not between the hours of 4 PM and 11 PM and not during any MLB games, besides that ANYTIME and ANYWHERE.
Rbastid on July 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM
because it is.
ThackerAgency on July 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I don’t recall Jesus pandering for the Philistine vote.
Jesus only had to spend 40 days in the desert where he was tempted by the devil, whereas Obama is going to have to spend 40 minutes onstage with a Republican. Far worse.
Bow down to your master, earthlings, Obama’s on the town.
NoDonkey on July 21, 2008 at 12:12 PM
This just in: All three news anchors spontaneously decide to go to Saddleback Church on Aug. 16th in person. Scheduling constraints force all three to stay only long enough for Obama’s appearance. All three express confusion and outrage when accused of being in the tank for Obama, can’t figure out why anyone would think that.
aero on July 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Why no hard questions? This serves no purpose if it is merely to convince people that Rick Warren knows both candidates and merely has to telephone them to get their compliance.
Pat in NC on July 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Obama wusses out again
ToddonCapeCod on July 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM
if they debated, people might realize that they want the same things, just phrasing it a different way.
Obama: “we need change and Hope”
McCain: “Al-Quaida and terrorists”
Translation:
Obama: “more Government”
McCain: “more Government”
fixed that for ya.
RMC1618 on July 21, 2008 at 1:10 PM
It would be rich if he did whip that out, considering our proximity to Camp Pendleton and our strong support of (and from) the Marines and their families stationed there. It would be a good way to remind BO to be careful whose company he keeps. On the other hand, as with the other times Presidential contenders have been at Saddleback, press coverage won’t be huge so he may wait for a more opportune time.
steadyrock on July 21, 2008 at 1:55 PM
“How exactly will Obama deal with America’s enemies when he can’t even share a stage for more than a moment with his political opponent?” OR, go on FNC. (The great Satan.)
This has been on my mind alot lately.
Perhaps all of his enemies are in this country.
Christine on July 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Warren is more concerned with his image, then seeking any truth, hence the statement “Warren tells Rutenberg that he doesn’t plan asking tough questions of either candidate”…I guess Jesus never asked the tough questions either…such are the politicians in a pulpit.
Image over substance…
right2bright on July 21, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Then out goes my copy of “The Purpose Driven Preacher.”
leftnomore on July 22, 2008 at 4:01 AM
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