Nothing of what I said was incorrect. Its too bad you didn’t like it or want to think it proves your point.

wise_man on July 21, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Nothing of what you said was even relevant to my post, except for proving my point. Sorry you can’t read.

Many years ago, long before Bush, I knew someone involved in Federal data collecting who was instructed to re-weight data collected. The reason given by the economist requesting the weighting of data was a ridiculous number of people in the fairly large sample over the age of 105 or under the age of 5 yet working and paying taxes. It made the sample look fishy so the solution was to weight out that factor. Why did they not take a different sample? Guess it was hard to shake those SSN’s from the workforce data. Wonder why?

In government if it looks bad change the focus on the lens

wise_man on July 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Wize_man, I don’t want to vote for Obama, and I couldn’t vote fore Cap’t Amnesty either. I am sick and tired of having to hold my nose and vote for candidates I don’t like.

If I go ahead and vote for McCain, that will just encourage the RNC to do more of the same and continue to float lame candidates.

If McCain grants amnesty, it will flood the electorate with millions of voters that cheated their way here, and their corruption world view will reflect in the future votes they cast for the next 100 years.

Obama won’t pass amnesty because he is a lightweight and the conservatve dems will help block it. The political dynamic is far different with McCain in charge.

Obama damage short term, McCain damage long term. Obama wins, better Republican candidates. McCain wins, SOS.

wise_man on July 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Learn to read context before you rant. You merely proved my point.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008807170348

In 11 stores, over 50 illegal immigrants were arrested recently. 2 executives risk prison time on 1 felony count each, and the company has to pay the fine.

Maybe they and other stores will think twice before having an average of 5 illegal immigrants employed at each franchise….

Do you want Obama to be the next president?

because there is something that you can do about it,

and it consists of voting for someone.

Please. There is a ton of hatred of McCain pandering on this site…

wise_man on July 21, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Much more accurate.

Also, I don’t hate McCain. I just haven’t seen a real reason to vote for him. I’ve voted the last few Presidential elections “against the worse of two evils”, and look where its gotten us. No more. I’m a conservative first and a Republican second. It’s my vote, and it absolutely disgusts me the way some people are trying to bully me into voting the party line instead of giving me solid reasons to vote for the candidate.

According to your logic, a non vote for McCain is a vote for Obama.
fossten on July 21, 2008 at 1:45 PM

In the 2000 US election, George Bush won with 271 electoral votes to Gore’s 266. Had Gore’s own state of Tennessee, which had a margin of victory for Bush of 3.86%, then Al Gore would have been president. Bush got 1,061,949 votes. Gore got 981,720, with a difference of 80,229 votes.

If about 40 thousand or so republicans decided it wasn’t worth it, and/or abut 40 thousand more democrats or independents got out the vote, then these individuals would have indeed swayed the vote in favor of Al Gore. And he would have been the one to respond to 9/11. Care to speculate what a Gore presidency would have been like? Saddam might have gotten the UN to drop all sanctions against him. Who knows what else could have or have not happened.

Later in 2004, the vote was 62,040,610 for Bush, 59,028,444 for Kerry. All of these people lined up and their votes were counted. Especially in the areas that mattered the most, people who vote for a candidate, such as for Obama, or not for another candidate, such as McCain, will be tallied up and in each state, that state’s electoral vote will go for that candidate.

All of the votes for Obama will be counted against all the votes for McCain. If you and more like you who think the same don’t bother to vote, and your vote could have made a difference to keep Obama out of office, then yes – your non vote for McCain will contribute to helping Obama win.

These are the facts of how our election process functions.

Now that you know, you have the choice on what to do.

Do you want Barack Obama to be the next president, fossten? You can answer this with a yes or no. Much like the election ballot is either for one or the other.

I would think that conservatives would have a better chance of seeing the law enforced with McCain than from Obama, who comes from a sanctuary city himself.

wise_man on July 21, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Not true, as I’ve stated over and over again.
If McCain becomes President, he has stated (to La Raza… a racist organization), that Comprehensive Amnesty Immigration Reform would be his first act in office.

The Senate Republicans would then be caught between a rock (McCain) and a hard place (Democrats), trying to force them to vote for amnesty. A Democrat President would make it easier for Senate Republicans to vote against the proposal.

We need to get serious about enforcement. Bush has given ICE a good start, but until executives start believing that they risk jail time for themselves, employers will not end their practices of illegal hiring.
Ed

Good point. Which means more and more industries will hire illegals causing wages to drop in more industry sectors…

In my area, illegals are not just employed in the service industries, fast food places, or landscaping. Rather, in my county, employers at decent-paying blue-collar, manufacturing firms are hiring illegals, causing even those wages to drop over time.

Without employer jail time, illegal immigration will continue to flourish. And more illegal immigration means
more hospitals financially closing their doors.

Illegal immigration is the quickest way to the establishment of Socialized medicine and left-wing economics in the USA.

McCain’s “Overall Record” is a “B”.(82.16) A lot better than Obama’s.(7.67)

Please do the courtesy as to provide the links to all of the votes that McCain wanted to dismantle enforcement.

wise_man on July 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Wrong. According to your logic, a non vote for McCain is a vote for Obama. Applying that logic to a vote in the Senate, a non vote for an issue is a vote for the opposition.

Therefore, since McCain skipped 10 votes out of 25 in 2007, his actual conservative record in 2007 was 8/25, or 32%.

Want to apply this logic to his entire career record?

Sadly, many on the hotair community are so filled with hatred for John McCain over his tactical approach to immigration that they can’t see this more fundamental important philosophical difference between liberalism and conservativism, and it is this philosophical difference that very well might save America from passing into history as a failed experiment.
jeff_from_mpls on July 21, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Most people do not hate John McCain, they just want the law enforced.
Johan Klaus on July 21, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Please. There is a ton of hatred of McCain on this site and other conservative pages.

I would think that conservatives would have a better chance of seeing the law enforced with McCain than from Obama, who comes from a sanctuary city himself.

Redhead Infidel on July 21, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Yes, this is indeed true.

And the person who is elected will become president of the United States, and Amnesty and his disgraceful record on this issue is one of many issues that the President will be in charge of. Some people here don’t seem to be capable of seeing the big picture.

jeff_from_mpls on July 21, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Most people do not hate John McCain, they just want the law enforced.

McCain’s “Overall Record” is a “B”.(82.16) A lot better than Obama’s.(7.67)

wise_man on July 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Since we’re talking about immigration here, it might be useful to point out that McCain’s overall record on THIS issue is a D with F‘s and F-‘s in some of the most crucial areas (having to do with amnesties, visas, and chain migration).

Obama’s is a D-.

Just sayin’.

wise_man on July 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM

How about McCain-Kennedy?

One such tool is e-Verify. Three states make it mandatory for hiring workers

so in three states you must be in a computer database to get a job?

How Orwellian.

This is a major difference between us and the hard left’s candidate Barack Obama.

When democrats get outraged, they instinctively turn toward state confiscation and control (but don’t call them socialists!). But when republicans are outraged, we look to enforce laws already on the books through democratically elected public officials.

Sadly, many on the hotair community are so filled with hatred for John McCain over his tactical approach to immigration that they can’t see this more fundamental important philosophical difference between liberalism and conservativism, and it is this philosophical difference that very well might save America from passing into history as a failed experiment.

ICE reported a 50% increase in 2005, followed by a 500% increase in 2006 over 2004 numbers

What are the real numbers? A 500% increase is nothing to crow about if the 2004 prosecutions totaled about 10 (which is probably close to correct). Going from 10 prosecutions to 50 is still a drop in the ocean.

based on a long line of statements and actions McCain has made in the past.
Muswell Hillbilly on July 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM

And I gave you two of his actions, Voted in favor of funding state and local law enforcement assistance in enforcement of Federal immigration laws and Voted on Senate floor in favor of amendment to increase interior enforcement in 2007. But hey, don’t let his actions get in the way of your opinion of what McCain is “Likely” to do.

Please do the courtesy as to provide the links to all of the votes that McCain wanted to dismantle enforcement.

Hey “wise-man,” for one thing, I made a comment about the likely action McCain would take in the future, which was based on a long line of statements and actions McCain has made in the past. So it’s regretful that you don’t know what the word “lie” means.

But regardless, McCain has been 1) against building the fence again and again, and only caved in grudgingly to appease whom he considers to be rubes, 2) was in favor of amnesty (and still is), and 3) was in favor of social security for illegals while they had been illegals.

Pointing to a couple votes in 2007 (election season) does not change an overall record.