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Can Obama stick to a surge in Afghanistan?

posted at 5:15 pm on July 21, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Barack Obama has committed to a “surge” strategy for Afghanistan, at least in terms of troops.  Publicly, he has called for an additional two combat brigades to move from Iraq to the NATO alliance in order to bolster an increasingly shaky effort to defeat al-Qaeda and the Taliban.  However, the fight in Afghanistan still enjoys popular support, as did the Iraq war until sectarian violence almost allowed the Democrats to dictate a surrender to the Bush administration.  Will Obama stick with the fight if it becomes less popular?

Iraq and Afghanistan veteran Eric Egland has his doubts:

On the first point, both presidential hopefuls have made statements expressing the need to win in Afghanistan — a positive sign, as far as speeches go. Each has expressed his support for additional troops to contend with Afghanistan’s porous borders, challenging terrain, and dispersed population. There is little doubt that McCain has the will to back up his rhetoric; but Obama’s dedication to the task remains in doubt, especially if things were to get tough and public support were to wane, as it did in Iraq in 2006. Today, Obama speaks as if a surge in Afghanistan were his own idea. (Sen. Joe Lieberman, a McCain ally, deserves credit for that.) But if public opinion were to turn against an Afghan surge, it is easy to imagine Obama pulling the plug on the operation before the mission was completed. One can almost anticipate the familiar rhetorical moves: He could blame his favorite pincushion, President Bush — but also General Petraeus, the man behind the very success in Iraq that Obama refuses to acknowledge.

On the second issue, Senator Obama claims better wartime judgment because he, as a state legislator on the South Side of Chicago, opposed the Iraq War from the start — as did the overwhelming percentage of his constituents (hardly a profile in courage). In January 2007, Senator Obama said the surge would worsen security in Iraq, and unveiled a plan to withdraw all forces by March 2008. Had we followed Obama’s wartime plan, Iraq would be in chaos and the U.S. would be tearing itself apart arguing over how we could have lost a war without losing a decisive battle — Vietnam all over again. Worse, Al Qaeda would have achieved two strategic goals: defeating the U.S., and establishing a new base of operations from which to plan, finance, and train for a new wave of 9/11-style terror attacks.

In sharp contrast with Obama’s wartime judgment, Senator McCain called for the new, effective approach in Iraq a full year before even his own party supported the idea. McCain faced broad criticism when he first called for a new strategy — yet he held firm in his conviction that we must adapt to today’s insurgencies, and eventually brought others along to his way of thinking.

Egland didn’t believe that we should have invaded Iraq before March 2003.  In his work on WMD intelligence, he didn’t see Saddam Hussein as the threat that the Bush administration believed him to be.  Once we invaded, however, Egland writes that the US had to win the war it started, because failure would be disastrous to American credibility and a huge boost to the fortunes of AQ and our other adversaries in the area.

McCain, Egland believes, understands that, but Obama has demonstrated that he does not.  His repeated calls for withdrawal while engaging the enemy in Iraq shows that he lacks that key comprehension about strength and credibility.   If the fight gets tough in Afghanistan and our allies begin to pull out as they did in Iraq, will a President Obama show the strength and the courage needed to get America to victory?

Bad times will come on this front — in fact, they have already come over the last couple of years.  The Taliban had gained significant momentum thanks to questionable “truces” arranged by NATO commanders with Taliban-sympathizing tribal leaders and a lack of aggressive tactics.  It took a shake-up in NATO command in the winter of 2006-7 and new aggressive use of air power to seize momentum back.  The next time the Taliban successfully adjust to our tactics, will Obama be patient enough to have military commanders adapt, improvise, and overcome — or will he throw up his hands and declare defeat like one of the leaders of his party?

Fortunately, for those voters who pay attention, we’ve already seen the track record of both candidates on this question.  One candidate talks tough; the other demonstrates toughness and commitment.  And with the Left only marginally supportive of the fight in Afghanistan, and one suspects for electoral rather than strategic reasons, Obama won’t have much motivation to stand tall when his base turns on the effort.


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Is this one of those ‘trick’ questions, Ed?

…where you know the answer is ‘no’ and I know the answer is ‘no’, as Black Howdy Doody, like teflon, cannot stick to anything

and not to be Vulgar, but I bet his backside is really moist by now from all those soulfull kisses………

Janos Hunyadi on July 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Barry has no Malkins.

He’d bail out quicker than Clinton in Mogadeshu.

omnipotent on July 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM

just throwing extra troops in without a strategy and the correct unified command structure you are looking at a disaster waiting to happen..

Chakra Hammer on July 21, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Barry has no Malkins.

He’d bail out quicker than Clinton in Mogadeshu.

omnipotent on July 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM

And that’s exactly what it would look like IF they do NOT get the unified command structure FIXED and or worked out, and also implement some kind of plan or strategy.

Chakra Hammer on July 21, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Only until the newly nuclear capable Iranians and antagonized Pakistanis demand we withdraw…

elduende on July 21, 2008 at 5:27 PM

if the ‘command structure’ were ‘unified’ under a Barack Hussein administration, C.H., all that Unity of Command would not mean Squat.

As Egland noted, Obama would pull out as soon as there was a Rough Patch.

Fortunately, as I’ve been predicting here for months, there will be a McCain administration, not a BHO one, so the question asked in this post is rhetorical

Janos Hunyadi on July 21, 2008 at 5:29 PM

[omnipotent on July 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM]

Yeah, except the result will look more like Rwanda than Somalia.

Dusty on July 21, 2008 at 5:30 PM

I assume the CiC also has to authorize the ROE, although having NATO involved may influence that. Using another HA poster’s description, potty training Barry while giving him authority over our troops’ ROE makes me pretty apprehensive.

a capella on July 21, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Obama’s party will demand a “peace dividend” whether there is peace or not because they want to spend much more money elsewhere. Obama may go along by proclaiming victory in Iraq and Afghanistan and leaving Maliki and Karzai to “stand up”. Actually, they will likely get their heads cut off but that will be blamed on them.

Maliki will regret endorsing Obama’s withdrawl date in Iraq. While Maliki did not mean it and only adopted it for political reasons, Obama really does mean it for political reason.

KW64 on July 21, 2008 at 5:31 PM

BHO ever dances on the strings of Soros, MoveOn and Kos. He will talk a big tale to get elected but that’s it. At the end of the day he is a spineless lib and has no stomach for any fight. The man simply does not have a clue…..48 hours incountry has made him the latest ‘expert’ on what is needed there. And his masses swoon!

dustoffmom on July 21, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Ed:

Publicly, he has called for an additional two combat brigades to move from Iraq to the NATO alliance in order to bolster an increasingly shaky effort to defeat al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

This reminds me of something (among many things) that bugs me about the Harbinger of Hope, Change, and Waffles’ position on Afghanistan: If, as many leading Democrats have said, our military is overstretched, worn out, even “broken,” then isn’t rushing two brigades to Afghanistan from Iraq risking the cohesion of our military even further? Don’t they need rest, recreation, therapy, and grief counselors? (The latter two being a favorite of the “We’re all victims” meme the Democrats love.) Once again, they’re trying to have it both ways: “BushChimpHitler has broken the military” and “We’re smart enough to use it the right way in the right fight right now.”

Bah.

irishspy on July 21, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Publicly, he has called for an additional two combat brigades to move from Iraq to the NATO alliance in order to bolster an increasingly shaky effort to defeat al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Who TF does he think he is to call for anything? He is NOT the president yet, no matter what those merci beaucoup fans tell him…

Califemme on July 21, 2008 at 5:40 PM

So now this buffoon is a military strategist? He’s going to advise our generals on tactics? As Hank Hill put it, “just kill me now”.

oakpack on July 21, 2008 at 5:40 PM

“There is no military solution to Iraq Afghanistan.”

Rhinoboy on July 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM

The nasty thing there is that a “surge” won’t work in Afghanistan.

That’s because “the surge” didn’t work in Iraq in the terms many here accept it. Additional American/Coalition troops, even with the changes in tactics and ROE, did not make the crucial difference. What did make the crucial difference was the so-called “Awakenings” and corresponding events among the Shi’ia. Without that change in Iraqi attitudes, more troops would have been nothing more than more meat for the grinder regardless of tactics or leadership.

No such change is even hinted at as a possibility in Afghanistan. If anything, the reverse is the case — with the Pakistani Tribal Areas as a sanctuary, the Taliban and Islamists are gaining, not losing. Unless something changes in the hearts and minds of Afghans, particularly Pashtuns, sending the whole Army there wouldn’t make a noticeable difference.

Regards,
Ric

warlocketx on July 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Publicly, he has called for an additional two combat brigades to move from Iraq to the NATO alliance in order to bolster an increasingly shaky effort to defeat al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Under NATO control? Will they be lead and be taking orders from NATO?

Uhh huh..

Chakra Hammer on July 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Sen. Evan Bayh went on CNN a few minutes ago and said that a surge in Afghanistan was Barack Obama’s idea. Is Barack Obama a good military strategist? Evan Bayh thinks so and so does CNN, who allows left wing lies to be spewed there daily, mainly through blowhard commenter, Jack Cafferty. CNN, in addition to Evan Bayh, is dishonest. And their dishonesty can be proven time and time again if someone wants to dig it all up. Is there any way to indict people for dishonesty?

Travis1 on July 21, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Obama will follow the polls.

Terrye on July 21, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Obama is like a well-oiled windvane.

When it blows, he blows.

(Maybe because of his Weatherman friends.)

profitsbeard on July 21, 2008 at 6:12 PM

“There is no military solution to Iraq Afghanistan.”

Rhinoboy on July 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Yes, “bring our troops home now!”

Rick on July 21, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Obamarx envisions himself as Napoleon revisited. After committing forces in spring uniforms to invade Russia, just as Napoleon evacuated HIMSELF from Russia in the dead of the 1812 winter leaving his troops on foot without coats to fend for their own frozen retreat, so Obamarx would lead our troops into the night. Whatever failings US forces suffered due to POLITICAL indecision in Viet Nam will pale compared to what Obamarx The Malleable will unleash, precisely to undo our military with his global socialist agenda. Without our military to defend America, we are finished, leaving all the more for Obamarx’s untouchables to gobble. This POTUS job means no more to Obamarx than any other on his easy route to power enabled by socialists. Even POTUS is just another step along his way to becoming an absolutely untouchable global elite. He can’t wait to get to the point of invisibility. He’s already practicing “now you hear me, now you don’t” and soon enough it will be, “you have no power over me, I have all power over you.” He will never fulfill any Constitutional responsibility (failing the onus to produce his legal and unaltered certificate of live birth) as he moves on to greener pasteurs. If the likes of Gaddafi spells it out for Americans that Obama is allowed to say ANYTHING in order to get elected and that his promises are lies, then truly there is no excuse for ANYONE to cry foul when Obamarx makes good on Marxism, destroying our Constitution and our country. The only consistent feature Obamarx maintains with his conartist finesse is absolutely IRRESPONSIBLE and MALLEABLE POSTURING.

maverick muse on July 21, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Obama in 2009: General, send your men over there!

General (pointing to map): But why there, Mr. President? The enemy is over here!

Obama: If you go where the enemies are, you’ll lose men and I’ll look bad. You see, I have judgment to lead.

Steve Z on July 21, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Why don’t we focus on more important things, like limiting the US military’s carbon footprint – let’s make this a true green military. One that fights climate change, not causes it. That is a “surge” everybody can get behind : )

Rick on July 21, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Will Obama stick with the fight if it becomes less popular?

If it becomes too unpopular, should he? Should any President in a republic of the people, by the people and for the people?

MB4 on July 21, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Why would a surge work here if it wasn’t going to work in Iraq?

Anyone think to ask the Obamessiah that?

drjohn on July 21, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Barry has no Malkins.

Jesse was successful?

mred on July 21, 2008 at 6:55 PM

I think right now upon his return home, someone should ask Obama to define success in Afghanistan and is that separate from getting OBL?

And if he does succeed in getting our hands of OBL alive, what are his plans for prosecuting OBL?

Let’s get it on the record.

Of course, Obama will fight in Afghanistan based on his poll numbers.

I watched Charlie Wilson’s War this weekend. I highly recommend it. I know that it was a movie, but I’m assuming that the basic facts were correct. Now I’m even more convinced we will have to be in Afghanistan for 100 years! just to keep it from returning to a haven for terrorists.

Texas Gal on July 21, 2008 at 6:56 PM

obama wanted to throw iraq under the bus.

he will certainly throw Afghanistan under the bus.

and he will throw israel under the bus – as soon as they attack iran.

and they will do it.

and the un will condemn them.

and only a usa veto will stop it.

WHO DO YOU TRUST WITH THAT VETO, MCCAIN OR OBAMA?

reliapundit on July 21, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Are you kidding Ed? The man won’t even hold hearings on the country’s status even though that’s supposedly his current responsibility! He proves his incompetence by his inaction even while he demands to be put in charge of the whole enchilada. And I thought Kerry was the most flawed presidential candidate of my lifetime…

Maquis on July 21, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Unless there’s Velcro on what Jesse wants to remove, he won’t stick to nuthin’.

thebookkeeper on July 21, 2008 at 9:13 PM

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