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Obama flunks history, again

posted at 10:24 am on July 20, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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After receiving a hailstorm of criticism for considering Brandenburg Gate for a public speech, as well as official German dissuasion, Barack Obama moved the venue to the Siegessäule monument.  Obama will speak about “historic” US-German relations, but once again, Obama’s own grasp of history has been proven deficient.  Not only does the site contain a monument to Prussian victories over other American allies in Europe, its placement was decided by Adolf Hitler — in order to impress crowds in his idealized version of Berlin called Germania:

Still, even as the issue of his speech’s location has now been settled, a number of politicians in Berlin are still dissatisfied with the site. The Siegessäule — or Victory Column — was erected in memory of Prussia’s victories over Denmark (1864), Austria (1866) and France (1870/71). The column originally stood in front of the Reichstag, Germany’s parliament building, but was moved by Adolf Hitler to its current location in 1939 to make way for his planned transformation of Berlin into the Nazi capital “Germania.”

“The Siegessäule in Berlin was moved to where it is now by Adolf Hitler. He saw it as a symbol of German superiority and of the victorious wars against Denmark, Austria and France,” the deputy leader of the Free Democrats, Rainer Brüderle, told Bild am Sonntag. He raised the question as to “whether Barack Obama was advised correctly in his choice of the Siegessäule as the site to hold a speech on his vision for a more cooperative world.”

Andreas Schockenhoff of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats said, “the Siegessäule in Berlin is dedicated to a victory over neighbors who are today our European friends and allies. It is a problematic symbol.”

Hitler didn’t just move the monument to its more central location.  He had a taller column built for it as well, to emphasize its message of German military domination over Europe.  He saw it as a message to Germans of their destiny — as well as to other Europeans as their destiny as well.  It was never meant as a symbol of peaceful, multicultural co-existence.

Team Obama has outdone themselves on symbolism with this choice. They’ve managed to make their hosts uncomfortable for a second time with their choice of rallying point, and perhaps more so this time. If one wanted to talk peace, what worse location could one choose than Adolf Hitler’s favorite monument to militaristic domination? One has to wonder how France, Denmark, and Austria will feel about Obama rallying German masses under the Siegessäule. Deja vu?

Obama could be excused for his gaffe, except for two reasons.  His team certainly understood the historical weight that the Brandenburg Gate would have lent his event, so why didn’t they bother to ask the Germans about the Siegessäule?  Quite obviously, the Germans understand the meaning and subtext of the monument, and most of them wonder why Obama does not.  Maybe this is a better example of clueless Americans traveling abroad than those who can only say Merci, beaucoup.

The more basic question is why Obama feels the need to conduct a campaign event among Germans.  Meeting with foreign leaders makes sense for a man with no foreign policy experience whatsoever, but that doesn’t require massive rallies among people who aren’t voting in this election.  In his rush to look impressive for no one’s purposes but his own, Obama has made himself look ignorant and arrogant all over again.


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ICH BIN EIN DUMKOPF!

profitsbeard on July 20, 2008 at 10:29 AM

David Axelrod is no Albert Speer, and junk

Shivas Irons on July 20, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Maybe he could move the speech to the site of the camp that his Soviet grandfather liberated. That would make for an interesting spin, because that site is probably in present-day Poland.

fluffy on July 20, 2008 at 10:33 AM

I anxiously await a report on this from one/all of the 3 network anchors traveling with the Messiah.

Does this mean that Osama will now throw Hitler under the bus and or state that this was not the Hitler that he knew?

Dingbat63 on July 20, 2008 at 10:34 AM

The more basic question is why Obama feels the need to conduct a campaign event among Germans.

Because Obama and the Democrats talk about “restoring America’s image around the world.” This part of the “healing” he talks about. They want to stick in the face of Republicans that they are more popular around the world.

However, I wonder how many Americans think like I do: I can care less who is popular overseas!

terryannonline on July 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Ich bin ein Scheißekopf.

Tinian on July 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM

The former location of the Prussian Victory obelisk was across the street from my choice of venue for Obama’s rally.

The new site will do I guess. I hope his groupies in the press get lots of good shots of the Messiah making his grand entrance from one of Speer’s tunnels that lead to the monument.

forest on July 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM

That’s an Ivy League education you!!! And…one pays big bucks to get it!

jeanie on July 20, 2008 at 10:37 AM

In his rush to look impressive for no one’s purposes but his own, Obama has made himself look ignorant and arrogant all over again.

How true. BHO’s behavior might even be worthy of a new word, ‘ignarrogant’, since that (particularly dangerous) combo is going to become part of the American linguistic landscape by the end of this election.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

…… again.

I sometimes wonder what it would take to really bring this idiot to defeat in the election. Just as I wonder if he has a clue about the shit-storm that will be his actual Presidency. If this man has to be so carefully coccooned in his “comfort zone,” how will he perform in a job that, by its very definition and nature, is the antithesis of “comfort zone”? What happens when his daily gaffes aren’t about history or geography, but are instead about the government that he’s supposed to run?

NeighborhoodCatLady on July 20, 2008 at 10:39 AM

Obama is a megalomaniac.

indythinker on July 20, 2008 at 10:39 AM

Ich bin ein Harvard Sozialist!

indythinker on July 20, 2008 at 10:40 AM

He’s Clueless…clueless as a man Obamessiah can beeeee….

Eselhut

bikermailman on July 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM

There will no doubt be some of the few remaining Nazi sympathizers in Germany who will claim that Obama is clueless because he is Black.

jgapinoy on July 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Europe, its placement was decided by Adolf Hitler — in order to impress crowds in his idealized version of Berlin called Germania:

* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audience – Check

* Seeks to replace God with the State – Check

* Creates his own new symbols of power – Check

* People adopting his name as their own – Check

* Wants Secret Police force – Check

* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise – Check

* Somebody powerful people think they can control – Check

* Associates with racists hatemongers – Check

* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in th best possible light – Check

* Inspires adoration Art – Check

* appropriates symbols of past German glory – Check

We get a new check mark every day. How wonderful!

Frightened yet?

TheBigOldDog on July 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM

It’ll go down as the “Ich bin ein Beginner” speech.

forest on July 20, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Triumph of the will Hope and Change.

Kafir on July 20, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Meeting with foreign leaders makes sense for a man with no foreign policy experience whatsoever, but that doesn’t require massive rallies among people who aren’t voting in this election. In his rush to look impressive for no one’s purposes but his own, Obama has made himself look ignorant and arrogant all over again.

Based on his selection of symbols, perhaps he’s hoping for an emotional torchlight parade and some slogan chanting in anticipation of the upcoming Denver spectacle.

a capella on July 20, 2008 at 10:47 AM

TheBigOldDog on July 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Awesome! I was thinking along those same lines!

catmman on July 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM

First of all, you don’t know that Obama or his team do not know the history of the monument. This article just raises the question whether he does or not.
Perhaps it was chosen to show how once warring nations can grow to work together.

The fact that you use this as PROOF that Obama “flunks history” ridiculous.

It’s important to point this out, because it’s a tactic Ed uses a lot. It’s twisting the truth to paint Obama in a bad light, WITHOUT ANY PROOF. It’s an assumption — speculation, but that’s good enough to go with in the Hot Air world of journalistic ethics. Please, if you’re going to do stuff like this, have the dignity not to criticize journalists who at least to stick to rules and ethical guidelines in reporting and op-ed pieces.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM

terryannonline. I feel the same as you. All just add one thing, when the s*#t hit the fan again the world looks to America for help.

AMartinez on July 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM

David Axelrod is no Albert Speer, and junk

Shivas Irons on July 20, 2008 at 10:30 AM

My what an oscure reference

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Perhaps the Dems and Euro elites forgot what happened when the lefty Guardian newspaper decided to target Clark County Ohio, a swing county in a swing state, with letters from the likes of well-known-in-the-US-figures Lady Antonia Pinter and John LeCarre.

The results. A storm of letters to the Guardian: “Dear Lefty a$$holes!” (note the Yankee usage; in Britspeak it would be “arse”) In other words, Americans didn’t give a rodent’s posterior about what Europeans thought or wanted US voters to do.

Wethal on July 20, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Er … folks, Denmark, Austria, and France my be friends and allies now, but they sure weren’t back then. If we’re going to complain about the existence of victory monuments, what about the Arc de Triomphe, or the many Roman triumphal columns that still exist to this day?

OldEnglish on July 20, 2008 at 10:50 AM

US letters to Guardian

Wethal on July 20, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Ich bin ein Luftkopf.

Dusty on July 20, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Proof!

Anita on July 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM

In no way do I mean to imply that racism is flourishing in Germany. Here is one German who loves Blacks as much as Hitler despised them.

jgapinoy on July 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM

It’ll go down as the “Ich bin ein Beginner” speech.

forest on July 20, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Quote Of The Day.

Patrick S on July 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Tom,
The significance of this monument is clear. Have you ever been to Berlin, there are a ton of places Obama could use for this speech, this is the worst one he could use. How about the Airlift Monument at Templehoff, that would be a perfect, and close to the airplanes. But no, Obama is thinking about how many fawning German socialists he can cram in.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM

OldEnglish on July 20, 2008 at 10:50 AM

may, not “my”. I can’t even blame the juxtaposition of keys!

OldEnglish on July 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM

This underscores the problems, once again, of having a presidential candidate during a campaign make political/campaign speeches overseas.

It’s just fraught with questions and dangers, especially for foreign governments who must okay the venues for the addresses.

Whether the Obama team knew of this or not is secondary, it seems to me, to the fundamental question of why its necessary to turn a fact-finding trip in a vote-finding one.

SteveMG on July 20, 2008 at 10:54 AM

…have the dignity not to criticize journalists who at least to stick to rules and ethical guidelines in reporting and op-ed pieces.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 10:48 AM

All hail and bow before the one true Obamamessiah right?

Ethical guidelines like who? Dan Rather? Keith Olberman? Chris Mathews? Katie Couric? Matt Lauer?

catmman on July 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM

The significance of this monument is clear.

And what exactly is that significance?

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Changes the location(flops again) in 3…2…1..

BTW…Why is he giving a speech in the first place? A first term senator from the United States and the German public wants to show up and hear him say what? I don’t remember Merkel giving any speeches here when she was running. Did he show up in New York to give a speech when he was running for the senate in Illinois?

Is there some kind of ‘Look, Europeans also think he’s wonderful’ LibTard/Progressive reinforcement to be had?

Or is this fool’s ego just as overblown as many are starting to believe.

BigWyo on July 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Obama wants to speak in Germany: The birthplace of Adolf Hitler and where Karl Marx was educated giving birth to his philosophy of communism. A perfect location for this jerk.

jencab on July 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM

why its necessary to turn a fact-finding trip in a vote-finding one.

SteveMG on July 20, 2008 at 10:54 AM

You assume to much.

It was never a “fact finding trip”. Obama isn’t interested in the facts.

Only votes.

catmman on July 20, 2008 at 10:56 AM

However, I wonder how many Americans think like I do: I can care less who is popular overseas!

terryannonline on July 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM

You mean you don’t stay awake at night worrying about what the French think of us? Weird.

lowandslow on July 20, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Anita at 10:51AM

Hilarious photoshop!

jgapinoy on July 20, 2008 at 10:56 AM

catmman on July 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM

…NYT, Washinton Post, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN…

breath…

catmman on July 20, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Is there some kind of ‘Look, Europeans also think he’s wonderful’ LibTard/Progressive reinforcement to be had?

And what exactly is that significance?

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Speak of the devil…

BigWyo on July 20, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Monuments to past glories/tragedies are okay to keep on display, but the context of those monuments must never be forgotten. Just because the Roman Empire had it’s dark side, doesn’t mean you tear down the Colosseum. But you must remember the context of these antiquities. I have no issue with the German government and it’s people keeping these symbols from it’s past, as a reminder of the errors of it’s ways. The Siegessäule is a reminder of the danger of giving one man and his party too much power. Ironic, isn’t it?

DakRoland on July 20, 2008 at 10:58 AM

The only things obama has been consistent at is inconsistency and embarrassment, OUR embarrassment.
.
Maybe he thinks he can look so stupid, the world will have to like us.

shooter on July 20, 2008 at 10:59 AM

If he really wants to score some points, here’s the monument to use as a backdrop.

Patrick S on July 20, 2008 at 11:00 AM

German defenders could argue that Obama is rebranding the Siegessäule. Indeed, it may have already had some rebranding. Lucianne or Amy at Lucianne.com has this comment at the homepage on the story:

Symbolism misfire? Siegessäule, Berlin’s oldest and best-selling gay newspaper is named after the Obama’s choice of speech venue.

ForNow on July 20, 2008 at 11:00 AM

That location represents something that wasn’t good for Otto Frank’s children…

D2Boston on July 20, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Come to think of it, some of the Pumas have been making fun of Obama’s penchant for finding “giant phalluses” near which to give speeches at rallies.

ForNow on July 20, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 10:55 AM

As loathe as I am to quote right4life, reading is fundamental.

This is not a monument to warm-fuzzy US-German relations. It is oozing with the exact opposite, a reminder of a time where Prussia and then Prussian-dominated Germany were a blight on the face of Europe and a threat to modern geopolitics.

Like I said, the Airlift Monument would be perfect.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Obama thought they were referring to King of Prussia, PA where they still cling to their guns and religion.

Steve McCullough on July 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM

“That’s not the Siegessäul I knew…”

rmgraha on July 20, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Substitute Bush for Obama, mutatis mutandis (as the great Wiliam F. Buckley for say).

What type of reaction would take place?

SteveMG on July 20, 2008 at 11:06 AM

It is estimated that George Soros has spent over $500 million propagandizing European countries against American imperialism and specifically, George Bush and the Republican Party. That large an expenditure buys a lot of reporters and news venues. His promotion of an amoral society, advocacy of abortion and war against the Church operate in the open over there. Soros’ European largesse is never mentioned in the American press, and rarely in the blogging community so there is no skepticism of the Messiah’s popularity abroad. Soros’ influence is huge over there, more so that here.

Are we sure Obama spent any time in the US before his election? People who have grown up in the US don’t make the consistently bizarre mistakes that he does, do they?

I think it’s a bit suspect that just as the gasoline cost begins to backfire on the Democrats, the price drops. In 2004 and 2006, there was allegations that Soros manipulated the oil futures to bring about a Republican, and Bush, defeat. Same allegations this time. Is there nothing anyone can do about him.

eaglesdontflock on July 20, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Whether the Obama team knew of this or not is secondary, it seems to me, to the fundamental question of why its necessary to turn a fact-finding trip in a vote-finding one.

Exactly. Why the big speech in Germany at all?

MayBee on July 20, 2008 at 11:08 AM

He saw it as a symbol of German superiority

Now, now. Can’t let a little thing like facts get in the way of Barack’s superiority.

TooTall on July 20, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Obama Über Alles?

E9RET on July 20, 2008 at 11:08 AM

I don’t see mentioned here that the gay magazine in Berlin is named after this uber phallic symbol. Barack: Ich bin ein schwul?

horatio on July 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM

He just loves following in Hitler’s footsteps, doesn’t he? More to come!!

Grafted on July 20, 2008 at 11:10 AM

you don’t know that Obama or his team do not know the history of the monument

Well, no, Ed doesn’t know that for certain, but Obama & company have shown themselves to be quite lacking in geographical knowledge before.

fluffy on July 20, 2008 at 11:13 AM

“The Siegesaeule” is the title of the leading gay newspaper in Germany. Perhaps Barry is hoping for a crowd of German metrosexuals cheering him, a la Chelsea’s Gay Pub Crawl? We can be treated to a cheering German fellow proclaiming, “Ich naemt seiner arsch!”

GeneSmith on July 20, 2008 at 11:14 AM

I love how all these HotAir readers (and bloggers) are suddenly experts on this monument and its significance to modern Germany. The quotes in the article are made by the same people who criticized him for using the Brandenburg Gate… which was inappropriate because he’s not the president.

Now, this one is inappropriate because it celebrates Prussian military victories in Europe. Again, despite Ed’s assumption that Obama doesn’t know the history of the monument, he very may well know it. He may even plan to address its significance in his speech.

You guys are making this out to be akin to Obama speaking at Hitler’s bunker. Who here knows how Germans feel about this monument? From my quick google search, it seems that this is a popular monument in German, a symbol of it’s history — and yes, it’s past power.

You know, if you keep criticizing EVERYTHING Obama does, you’re going to lose all credibility.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:17 AM

[OldEnglish on July 20, 2008 at 10:50 AM]

Except for the Roman columns, most of the monuments are tributes to family squabbles.

Dusty on July 20, 2008 at 11:17 AM

but Obama & company have shown themselves to be quite lacking in geographical knowledge before.

For example?

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:18 AM

[OldEnglish on July 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM]

Clearly the sticky key defense is in order.

Dusty on July 20, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Keep tap-dancing Tom.

He should not be giving a huge speech in Germany at all. He is not the president, do you see McCain giving speeches overseas.
Do you see congressional delegations giving big speeches.

He is not the president, it is arrogent for him to act as such.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 11:20 AM

First of all, you don’t know that Obama or his team do not know the history of the monument. This article just raises the question whether he does or not.
Perhaps it was chosen to show how once warring nations can grow to work together.

ROFLMAO! Talk about the willing suspension of disbelief! Holy Sh!t.

TheBigOldDog on July 20, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:17 AM

The fact that a US Presidential candidate is campaigning in Germany is inappropriate.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2008 at 11:20 AM

I hope Obama makes it through his party’s convention; if he’s not replaced by Clinton, I think the Republicans can crush him.

Kralizec on July 20, 2008 at 11:21 AM

You know, if you keep criticizing EVERYTHING Obama does, you’re going to lose all credibility.

You loose half your credibility every time you get near a keyboard. But it does not matter much.

Half of Zero is still Zero.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Lili Von Shtupp: Would you like another schnitzengruben?
Bart: No, thank you. Fifteen is my limit on schnitzengruben. Or is it Siegessäul or Siegesaeule?

Dingbat63 on July 20, 2008 at 11:22 AM

You know, if you keep criticizing EVERYTHING Obama does, you’re going to lose all credibility.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Virtually EVERYTHING the man and his team does deserves criticism. We’re not the ones flopping around like a trout out of water. They are gaffe magnets. I think that is what really grinds on you, Tom.

Patrick S on July 20, 2008 at 11:22 AM

but Obama & company have shown themselves to be quite lacking in geographical knowledge before.

For example?

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Have you not been paying attention? No, I bet you have but your belief system simply will not allow anything questionable in. Let me help you with the most obvious, how many States are there in the Union?

TheBigOldDog on July 20, 2008 at 11:22 AM

TheBigOldDog on July 20, 2008 at 11:22 AM

You honestly believe Obama thinks/ever thought there are 57 states in the union? Honestly…

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Tom,
This is where Obama should do his rally (if he must). But that would require him to have some sense.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Squid,

How does one loose credibility exactly?

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Defending Obama’s Gate mistake would be credible indeed IF….one does not assume that he or his people researched the Gate before originally choosing it for a venue. Apparently they did not, or if they did, did not tell him. OK for us ordinary folk, but NOT acceptable for the “man who would be President”.

jeanie on July 20, 2008 at 11:25 AM

And Squid, beyond that, name another example.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Do you honestly believe McCain does not know the difference between Shia and Sunni.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Now, this one is inappropriate because it celebrates Prussian military victories in Europe. Again, despite Ed’s assumption that Obama doesn’t know the history of the monument, he very may well know it. He may even plan to address its significance in his speech.

You guys are making this out to be akin to Obama speaking at Hitler’s bunker. Who here knows how Germans feel about this monument? From my quick google search, it seems that this is a popular monument in German, a symbol of it’s history — and yes, it’s past power.

You know, if you keep criticizing EVERYTHING Obama does, you’re going to lose all credibility.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Let me tell you Tom, if he knows the significance of the monument, then we all better be REALLY worried.

TheBigOldDog on July 20, 2008 at 11:27 AM

That should be Dog, not Squid…

Apparently they did not, or if they did, did not tell him.

Why apparently? What proof is there they do not know the history of the monument. The manufactured outrage by one conservative politician?

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Since when would a hard leftist be averse to an eschatological symbol of fascist triumph?

The leftist utopia will be a fascist one. Anyone who still doubts that should read Jonah Goldberg’s book Liberal Fascism before it’s too late.

jeff_from_mpls on July 20, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Do you honestly believe McCain does not know the difference between Shia and Sunni.

Probably, but it’s is conceivable that McCain did not know the difference between the two. It is not conceivable that Obama thinks there are 57 states.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Do you honestly believe McCain does not know the difference between Shia and Sunni.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 11:27 AM

You’re giving away far too much, here. Many people make mistakes between shiite and sunni, but BHO is the only one I’ve ever heard who said “57 states … and still 1 to go, I think” (paraphrased, but I think that was the essential quote). Most people who get the number of states wrong say ‘52′, as a pure mistake thinking of the number of cards in a deck, but I’ve never heard anything like 57 ever come from anyone.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2008 at 11:31 AM

but Obama & company have shown themselves to be quite lacking in geographical knowledge before.

For example?

TheBigOldDog, fellow Bay Stater, has already addressed this. Surely you remember the 57 states comment?

Now, this one is inappropriate because it celebrates Prussian military victories in Europe. Again, despite Ed’s assumption that Obama doesn’t know the history of the monument, he very may well know it. He may even plan to address its significance in his speech.

He may, but he just doesn’t think that deeply. To clarify for those that would point out that I don’t truly know the inner workings of Senator Obama’s mind, he shows no outward evidence of deep inner thought.

fluffy on July 20, 2008 at 11:32 AM

You honestly believe Obama thinks/ever thought there are 57 states in the union? Honestly…

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Honestly, yes. Honestly, he doesn’t even know the difference between Veteran Day and Memorial Day, or an M16 and a .40 Kimber. There have been too many to repeat, yet every single minor stumble of McCain’s is front page above the fold.

I really think there is too much in the Kool Aid for you guys. There is no pretense of sensibility in the media covering Obama or Obama himself, as it nothing but the aura matters any longer. It’s creepy.

eaglesdontflock on July 20, 2008 at 11:32 AM

It is not conceivable that Obama thinks there are 57 states.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM

It is not conceivable that anyone would ever make that mistake. What do you think he was thinking of?

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2008 at 11:33 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Only conceivable if you are a clueless Obama Shill. McCain has been sitting on committees looking at intel about this kind of business since before everyone else knew what Sunnis and Shias were. If you think he does not know the difference, you are being willfully ignorant.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 11:33 AM

It is not conceivable that Obama thinks there are 57 states.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Well he either thought it when he said it or he speaks without thinking. Which is it?

Patrick S on July 20, 2008 at 11:33 AM

ICH BIN EIN DUMKOPF!
Ich bin ein Scheißekopf.
Ich bin ein Harvard Sozialist!
“Ich bin ein Beginner”

There’s always “Soy un berlinés.”

Shy Guy on July 20, 2008 at 11:33 AM

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2008 at 11:20 AM

I don’t believe that he is, he’s campaigning in the EU, with Germany being the perceived powerhouse.

OldEnglish on July 20, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Incidentally, John Hinderacker of Power Line won the ich bin ein … analogy contest on the radio yesterday: “ich bin ein beginner!”

There’s your winner, right there.

jeff_from_mpls on July 20, 2008 at 11:35 AM

OldEnglish on July 20, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Heh.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:24 AM

I have no idea what he knows and what he does not know. He has no track record. No history. That’s the point. I do know this, it’s very hard for me to believe an American, especially a candidate for the Presidency, could say “57 States” and not immediately correct himself.

And Squid, beyond that, name another example.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM

You exhibit classic behavior. You ask for an example, you get one, you ask for more. You’ll never get enough because you’ve crossed the Rubicon and gone from supporter to believer.

TheBigOldDog on July 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Squid,

I responded unclearly to that last question. I mean that he probably does know the difference… and if I had to answer that question truthfully, I would say McCain mispoke and mixed them up. But, it is conceivable — at least more conceivable — that he did not know which group, the sunnis or shi’ites were being trained by Iran.

Now, anyone who claims that Obama thinks there are 57 states is being willfully ignorant (yes, I’m speaking to you, eagle…

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Years ago when he was stinking up the halls in the White House, Jimmy Carter was called a “dumb bell” by the then Chancellor of West Germany.

Perhaps with B.O. coming to show the Germans just what he is really all about, the tradition will start again anew.

pilamaye on July 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Tom_Shipley, what part of many GERMANS aren’t comfortable with him speaking at this particular monument did you not understand?

Nik on July 20, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Maybe this is a better example of clueless Americans traveling abroad than those who can only say Merci, beaucoup.

Wow, more like mon Dieu!

Speakup on July 20, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Somebody said it above. This is just getting creepy. Obamessiah and his stepford media, traveling around the world giving speeches he has no business giving. I hope it all comes crashing down around him in November. Unlike a lot of folks, I don’t believe he is a lock at all. There are many people letting the left drone on and on while they will quietly go to the polls and vote against him. I truly believe America is smarter than the left gives it credit for.

gator70 on July 20, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

I agree with you there. I think he flubbed (big time). But it does sound like he failed basic math. 57 with one to go. If he said 57 with 3 to go I would say, OK, because he was clearly thinking 47.

The problem is that the Media has been having a collective orgasm over Obama’s flawless rhetorical skills and what a clear idiot Obama is. The 57 state thing is a good club to beat that meme back with.

Squid Shark on July 20, 2008 at 11:42 AM

But, it is conceivable — at least more conceivable — that he did not know which group, the sunnis or shi’ites were being trained by Iran.

Tom_Shipley on July 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Iran works with both shiites and sunnis. This seems to be something that many on the left don’t understand. Hamas is sunni, associated with the foundational sunni group ‘Muslim Brotherhood’, but Hamas’ main benefactor has been Iran. Syria is not shiite (not even close) but it is Iran’s biggest proxy in the arab world.

Anyone who thinks that Iran works only with shiites has no idea what they’re talking about.

P.S. Where did Saddam Hussein (Sunni who dominated shiites) fly his air force for safekeeping in the first gulf war? One guess.

McCain made a simple mistake that anyone who talks about the various groups here and there in the middle will make eventually. Anyone who knows the region understands that.

progressoverpeace on July 20, 2008 at 11:42 AM

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