Lieberman: Obama couldn’t go to Iraq today if we’d followed his plan
posted at 1:21 pm on July 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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From Fox News Sunday by way of Team McCain, a succinct reply to Obama triumphalists. His point at the end about Afghanistan is also well taken, although Hitchens’s formulation from last week is more elegant:
If it is true, as yesterday’s three-decker front-page headline in the New York Times had it, that “U.S. Considering Stepping Up Pace of Iraq Pullout/ Fall in Violence Cited/ More Troops Could Be Freed for Operations in Afghanistan,” then this can only be because al-Qaida in Iraq has been subjected to a battlefield defeat at our hands—a military defeat accompanied by a political humiliation in which its fanatics have been angrily repudiated by the very people they falsely claimed to be fighting for. If we had left Iraq according to the timetable of the anti-war movement, the situation would be the precise reverse: The Iraqi people would now be excruciatingly tyrannized by the gloating sadists of al-Qaida, who could further boast of having inflicted a battlefield defeat on the United States. I dare say the word of that would have spread to Afghanistan fast enough and, indeed, to other places where the enemy operates. Bear this in mind next time you hear any easy talk about “the hunt for the real enemy” or any loose babble that suggests that we can only confront our foes in one place at a time.
That first sentence was echoed by Maliki himself in the Spiegel interview but, curiously enough, most of the U.S. media’s coverage of the story glossed over it. As for Afghanistan, Obama told CBS this morning that the situation there is grave enough that we can’t wait for the next president to take office before doing something about it. See this post at the Nation for an example of which way leftist sentiment is trending on what that “something” should be. Exit quotation: “[E]ven though the cover of the latest edition of Time magazine refers to the fight in Afghanistan as ‘The Right War,’ and even though Obama seems to have bought into this particularly dangerous variation Washington-insider spin, there is nothing right or smart about deepening the US troop commitment in a country that has a long history of thwarting the best-laid plans of great military powers.”
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BHO presidential user manual:
1. Wet finger
2. Hold in air
spidgy on July 20, 2008 at 1:29 PM
He must have stolen that user manual from Bill Clinton.
wise_man on July 20, 2008 at 1:30 PM
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byteshredder on July 20, 2008 at 1:39 PM
As Hitchens points out, a defeat in Iraq would have had enormous consequences for our ability to defeat AQ and the Taliban in Afghanistan (and elsewhere).
Does anyone believe that the recruitment stations for al-Qaeda wouldn’t have been overwhelmed after our loss? Not to mention the second thoughts it would have given those Afghans and Pakistanis who have supported us.
Separating Iraq from the larger war against radical Islam simply made no sense.
SteveMG on July 20, 2008 at 1:42 PM
I’ve heard it’s not really safe to walk in south Chicago where egObama was a “community organizer”. Irony.
SouthernGent on July 20, 2008 at 1:48 PM
The Democrats do not have the stomach for a long fight in Afghanistan. They will want to go in Soviet style in the hopes that they can get it over with. And when that fails, they will want to retreat.
Terrye on July 20, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Steve:
I heard there is some discussion of bringing the National Guard into Chicago.
Terrye on July 20, 2008 at 1:50 PM
For those whiny libs including Obama, the question should be asked, “What is the difference between an Islamic Extremist in Iraq and an Islamic Extremist in Afghanistan?”
The answer: Absolutely nothing. We must eliminate them anywhere in the world we find them. Got that, Bambi and friends?
Travis1 on July 20, 2008 at 1:52 PM
How far sighted does Obama have to be to say whatever he thinks the group he is appealing to wants to hear at any moment in time. Obama will not govern for the future of the country. He will govern for the immediate good of Obama and rely on the MSM to coverup any inconsistencies with past or future positions.
If you are free to rewrite history, you can prove yourself to be one heck of a prophet.
KW64 on July 20, 2008 at 1:57 PM
I’ve heard this as well.
Multiply the scenario by the number of large, corruption-riddled cities in the nation, and you’ll have a good idea of where we’ll be when Osama Obama’s “Hope & Change” gang takes over.
That’s right. It’ll happen in all 57 states, and also maybe in the two he hasn’t visited.
A job for The Messiah’s “civilian militia?”
MrScribbler on July 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM
It would be nice if we were freeing Afghans from the poison of Islam instead of just tying it’s shoes.
BL@KBIRD on July 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Michelle said Barack could be shot anywhere.
.
Perhaps she is correct: Self-directed shots to Obama’s foot seem to be very frequent. Iraq is just more proof of how unqualified BHO is for the job he seeks.
.
Is Obama a messiah because he humiliates himself so much?
Right_of_Attila on July 20, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Let’s see how that plays with the broadcast networks.
Zorro on July 20, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Oh, I’d say they’ll do their very best to ignore it. They are sssoooo predictable.
trigon on July 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Joe LIEberman should be kicked out of the Democratic caucus just for his stupidity. Barrack Obama was %100 right when he stated that the Iraq war was a dumb war. If we had concentrated our forces in Afghanistan, we could have done a better job of eliminating al-Qaida since they would have had nowhere to run. And what that idiot LIEberman doesn’t seem to realize is that 4000 AMERICANS have died since the invasion of Iraq and more will continue to die. As for Hitchens, he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. al-Qaida was able to grow in numbers because of the American presence in Iraq. The American troops were made a scapegoat and several Iraqis (not to mention Muslims from elsewhere) ate the propaganda up. It took us five years to get to this point in Iraq, Mr. Hitchens; we don’t know what would have happened if the US military had sufficient troop levels with an intelligently planned timetable to reach objectives and pullout sooner.
But what’s even scarier than these two fools is that there are so many stupid people willing to jump in and agree with LIEberman and Hitchens.
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM
If you recall Mayor Daley is wanting to call up the National Guard to police certain areas of Chicago. I would have thought Obama would have done a tour of the battle grounds around Chicago before going outside the country.
JonRoss on July 20, 2008 at 2:06 PM
[barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM]
LOL.
Dusty on July 20, 2008 at 2:13 PM
“It’s the Economic Stupidity, Stupid”
“In a time of war,” Mr. McCain said last week, “the commander in chief doesn’t get a learning curve.” Fair enough, but he imparted this wisdom in a speech that was almost a year behind Mr. Obama in recognizing Afghanistan as the central front in the war against Al Qaeda. Given that it took the deadliest Taliban suicide bombing in Kabul since 9/11 to get Mr. McCain’s attention, you have to wonder if even General Custer’s learning curve was faster than his.
Mr. McCain still doesn’t understand that we can’t send troops to Afghanistan unless they’re shifted from Iraq. But simple math, to put it charitably, has never been his forte. When it comes to the central front of American anxiety — the economy — his learning curve has flat-lined.
Mr. McCain’s fiscal ineptitude has received so little scrutiny in some press quarters that his chief economic adviser, the former Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, got a free pass until the moment he self-immolated on video by whining about “a nation of whiners.”
Mr. McCain has been so dependent on Mr. Gramm for economic policy that he sent him to newspaper editorial board meetings, no doubt to correct the candidate’s numbers much as Joe Lieberman cleans up after his confusions of Sunni and Shia.
Just two weeks before publicly sharing his thoughts about America’s “mental recession,” Mr. Gramm laid out equally incendiary views in a Wall Street Journal profile that portrayed him as “almost certainly” the McCain choice for Treasury secretary. Mr. Gramm said that the former chief executive of AT&T, Ed Whitacre, was “probably the most exploited worker in American history” since he received only a $158 million pay package rather than the “billions” he deserved for his success in growing Southwestern Bell.
But no one in the news media seemed to notice Mr. Gramm’s naked expression of the mind-set he’d bring to a McCain White House. And few journalists have vetted the presumptive Treasury secretary’s post-Senate history as an executive at UBS. The stock of that banking giant has lost 70 percent of its value in a year after its reckless adventures in the subprime lending market. It’s now fending off federal investigation for helping the megarich avoid taxes.
Mr. McCain made a big show of banishing Mr. Gramm after his whining “gaffe,” but it’s surely at most a temporary suspension. When the candidate said back in January that there’s nobody he knows who is stronger on economic issues than his old Senate pal, he was telling the truth. Left to his own devices — or those of his new No. 1 economic surrogate, Carly Fiorina — Mr. McCain is clueless.
- Frank Rich
MB4 on July 20, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Go Joe!
Kick some Obamabutta!
Conservaboomer on July 20, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Thanks for setting us straight, Barry.
Rod on July 20, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Lieberman is my favorite pol these days. Not because I agree with him that much, but because how his very presence drives the frothing-mouth Kos ventriloquist dummies into sputtering rage.
Hi, Barry.
justkevin on July 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Poorly done. No wiggle room, unrefined, awkward. No effort to make it seem as if these were your own thoughts. It is obvious you need some seasoning. High school classes may help with that.
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Obama I would rather focus on the glass half empty. Obama does Afghanistan.
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2008/07/logans-hero.html
Dr Evil on July 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Where’s the argument that Lieberman is just a Joo who is proxy for the Israel lobby and wants America to fight for Israel? Since Israel is soooooo bad at fighting wars herself. :)
Come on, visitors from Daily Kos, you’re dropping the ball…….
(I like Lieberman. He’s pretty feisty and all.)
mjk on July 20, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Joe Lieberman’s fall from relevance:
Democrat -> Independent -> Psychic
alphie on July 20, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Don’t mention it Rod. Anytime you want to be called stupid just let me know.
Unlike conservatives, we’re not racists.
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 3:07 PM
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Speaking of idiots!
Travis1 on July 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Strange you would say that. I got the impression there were a lot of wet donk panties over his vote leverage in the Senate. So, they weren’t worried? Man, that’s really some brass Dem balls,..but then if they are presently contemplating a fuel tax hike, we already know that, don’t we?
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Y’mean like Rev. Wright, James Cone, and Jesse Jackson?
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM
For those whiny libs including Obama, and the idiot above, the question should be asked, “What is the difference between an Islamic Extremist in Iraq and an Islamic Extremist in Afghanistan?”
The answer: Absolutely nothing. We must eliminate them anywhere in the world we find them. Got that, Bambi and friends?
Travis1 on July 20, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Travis1 on July 20, 2008 at 3:13 PM
I work on the southside of chicago and yesterday we had more gunshot runs than fire runs, it’s been like that for some months now, been a crazy summer down there. Same with the company we’re housed with. We’re about a half mile from where Michelle Obama grew up and the same distance from where Jesse Jackson Jr. lives.
LtE126 on July 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Well, everyone knows those guys are allowed to be.
Cuz of white people, and stuff, rich ones.
benrand on July 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM
No, alphie, it does not take special psychic abilities to realize that if the troops had been pulled out Iraq would be a festering mess right now.
To reach this very simple conclusion, all that is needed is one half of one brain.
Rod on July 20, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Let’s see how all that hotair(wink-nod) works out:
Ned Lamont lost to Joe Lieberman.
The people voted for Lieberman.
Therefore Republicans are racist.
Brilliant!
Look at the bright side, maybe Ned Lamont should file a civil rights lawsuit, or launch an affirmative action investigation. Gentiles are always getting pushed around by the Liebermans of the world.
Limerick on July 20, 2008 at 3:18 PM
That’s like saying we should never go war because it might piss some people off. I don’t buy the cycle of violence theory.
After all the terrorist attacks all across the world. I still don’t get how people buy this crap that Afghanistan is where all the bad guys are.
terryannonline on July 20, 2008 at 3:19 PM
That has to make sense to,..somebody. There will be a rebuttal as soon as he receives his fax from headquarters.
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 3:30 PM
LOL! So typical. When all else fails, just start calling conservatives racists. It’s the last line of defense in the liberal playbook.
Rick on July 20, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Don’t forget scoundrel.
jerrytbg on July 20, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Bitter people clinging to simplisms that make them feel more secure.
It’s easier for our little trolls, just like it is for the big troll they support, to believe that AQ could have been defeated if only the evil Bush had thrown a few more divisions into the mountains of Afghanistan – never mind that those mountains connected to the mountains of Pakistan, not to mention the mountains of Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Kashmir, and points beyond. In their world, an extra brigade or ten in Afghanistan could have prevented OBL & Co. from exfiltrating. Why? Because Obama said so and because it serves his purposes to believe so and because wishing and believing in hope and change makes it so!
The few of them that have ever clicked on a topographical map of Waziristan still don’t have the foggiest notion of what policing such an area would require – even under the huge presumption that the nuclear-armed, unstable nation of 120+ million people that Waziristan belongs to decided to be agreeable to the effort. They probably don’t believe that Waziristan could be hermetically sealed – not because they’ve given the subject any thought, but because thinking beyond the talking point isn’t something they ever consider doing. For the same reason, they probably also haven’t considered that having remnant Al Qaeda pinned down in Waziristan – if indeed we have achieved that – might be preferable to a large scale attempt to force them out, or to many other alternatives, none of which, by the way, would have been made easier to deal with by a failure of will or a disastrous defeat in and around the Persian Gulf.
CK MacLeod on July 20, 2008 at 3:35 PM
I had no idea that they were Daily Kos visitors.
That would be you, Travis1.
@Limerick&Rick,
Perhaps I should have more accurately stated that unlike conservatives, we’re neither a bunch of racists nor illiterates as well.
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 3:42 PM
You mean like when Backtrack Obama said in 2007 that it wouldn’t matter if we sent 10,000 more, or 20,000 more, or even 30,000 more troops, it would not reduce the violence in Iraq; in fact, it would just increase the violence.
Then in 2008, Backtrack Obama says, hey I have always said that if we sent more troops to Iraq, we could quell the violence there. Our troops have done a magnificent job.
AZCoyote on July 20, 2008 at 3:44 PM
joe defeated lamont.
john will defeat barack.
the usa is not more liberal than ct.
end of story.
reliapundit on July 20, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Yikes! Barry believes that all conservatives are racists! I had heard that there were people that believed that but never thought I actually “meet” one.
This is exciting stuff. Please, Barry, continue espousing your preconceived notions, insights, and general biases. It will prove very … enlightening. Sort of like visiting the asylum to watch and listen to the patients rant.
And yes, you can call me stupid anytime you wish as I am often just that. However, I am not, nor have I even been, a racist. (I was a democrat but after two years of running my own corporation realized I was aligned with the wrong party.)
Rod on July 20, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Please do vent here and not out in the real world. It’s probably much healthier for you.
Are you feeling better now that you let the name calling out? I hope so.
You might want to spend a little more time listening to Sen. Obama’s speeches. Because it seems like you missing the hope and post-partisan message he supplies. Remember we must be unified.
terryannonline on July 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Thanks for the lesson today – truly appreciated. You did, however, forget to call the conservatives that are not white “sellouts”. Calling me an “idiot” – now that’s original. Keep up the good work!
Rick on July 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM
I saw him with Brit (not American) Logan. He promised two or three more brigades to Afghanistan, no matter how many times she asked different “what if” questions. Hey, he smiled, let’s start with two or three, as if to say his base wouldn’t mind so much 2 or 3 and then he would look tough to the others. Ridiculous! That’s his entire military thought of the day.
What the hell did he learn from the commanders and Karzai there, that they need two or three more brigades, oris he just making it up?!
PattyJ on July 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM
LMAO. Yer losin’ ground, champ. Tell us again about BLT.
Ridin’ dirty!
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM
On the contrary. It’s mostly the left who think the U.S. is fighting as surrogate for Israel.
barry norris’ argument style: “I know you are, but what am I?”
Childish.
jaime on July 20, 2008 at 4:08 PM
He BHO it’s SOOOOOooooo simple. We win, they lose.
Nuff said.
Mojave Mark on July 20, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Are you kidding? They want to retreat NOW. A comment from the Nation post AP linked exemplifies the cluelessness:
By interfering with the “order” the Taliban provides, WE’RE the problem. Interesting, though, that crabwalk affirms that what the Taliban is doing is the natural order of Islam.
If we can keep AQ besieged in the mountains and destroy the Taliban in Afghanistan, I think that’s worth doing. It also has the benefit of discouraging the London radicals; if their “utopia” can’t be achieved in their own countries, how likely is it that they can achieve it in ours? IF we get off our complacent a$ses and give the ongoing lawfare the attention it deserves, that is…
Laura on July 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Holy batmobile (not a hybrid, I guess, although I haven’t seen the movie), copying-and-pasteing Frank Rich to smear McCain?
Yep, drama critic Frank Rich.
SteveMG on July 20, 2008 at 4:15 PM
How is it a “smear”? Do you even know what the word means?
Just for grins and a change-of-pace why don’t you try something different now and then?
Like refuting what he said.
And least give it a try anyway.
Who knows, you just might surprise, maybe even yourself.
MB4 on July 20, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Indeed. Remember when we invaded Afghanistan in 2001, only to get routed like the British and Russians before us? We only succeeded in cutting food and supplies to starving Afghans during the brutal Winter of 2001/2002. Dark days indeed for our republic-turned-fascist-state.
(And if you believe that…)
calbear on July 20, 2008 at 4:25 PM
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 3:42 PM
There’s more room than ever left in the asylum. But please check in by 6 p.m.
Travis1 on July 20, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Their best chance is for the West to treat their atrocities as a law enforcement/social adjustment problem rather than a war. They are much more patient than the West, and know if the Brit way of handling things through manderins goes long enough, they win. They are patiently monitering the NATO resolve and the symbolism of an Obama win in Nov.
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM
“Barry Norris” omg, my sides hurt and tears are streaming down my face, I’m laughing so hard. Hussein is the biggest racist crook we’ve seen running for office in some time, next to senator “lemme get my sheet” Byrd.
Hussein spent twenty years at the feet of the racist, socialist, anti American reverend wright applauding and shouting hallelujah!
He’s the one who thinks in terms of the group, like “typical white” people and white middle Americans “Clinging to their guns and bibles…”
He’s the only candidate that has officially stated his racism. Most of us are more concerned with a couple other things, competence, actual knowledge, experience and oh yeah intelligence.
Hussein is sorely lacking in those areas, but he is a glib parrot.
dogsoldier on July 20, 2008 at 4:36 PM
No, only you know what word mean, right?
Only you know the proper and correct interpretation of people’s statements. Of topics posted here.
Anyone else who has, in good faith, a different view or interpretation of words or events is, for you, an idiot or liar or fool or is incapable of reading.
Damned, I’ve wasted too much time on you and your pettiness.
No one to blame but myself.
SteveMG on July 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM
It is childish to argue like “I know you are, but what am I?”. So why did you do it and make yourself look like a child?
Very stupid indeed.
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Your argument just went from Childish to Lazy and Stupid. Typical from the left.
It’s not unheard of that we get a somewhat thoughtful liberal to comment here at HotAir, but usually it’s these hate-filled losers.
You’re boring, barry. Try to make a real argument and I’ll come back and talk to you.
jaime on July 20, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Kind of off the subject, but how come the government is going after Bill Gertz’s sources and not the sources of the ny times that keep revealing national security secrets?
peacenprosperity on July 20, 2008 at 4:58 PM
So, for example, if I called you a knuckle-dragging ‘tard, you would consider that an insult?
wccawa on July 20, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Pulling it out of his arse as usual when there isn’t a teleprompter in sight. The guy is a delusional, minor league jesse jackson from chicago and the nitwits we call fellow citizens are probably going to make him president. Or should I say the media elitists are going to make him president since they chose the two candidates.
peacenprosperity on July 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
jaime, next time take your own advice before you make an utter fool of yourself.
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
And because barry understands that when he says 10,000 troops, that to us idiot, typical white people, 10,000 is a really really big number.
peacenprosperity on July 20, 2008 at 5:06 PM
I’ll give barry some kudos. He was given an assignment to HA and he’s trying to fulfill it. Nothing wrong with that. He’s faithful to the cause and I’m sure he considers himself a warrior instead of cannon fodder.
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Someone here making fun of anti-Semites in your party (remember “Hymietown”) is racist?
You must be Obama’s lefthanded sockpuppet, that’s so irrational.
profitsbeard on July 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Thanks for the rusty trombone, barry. You just made all of my points.
jaime on July 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM
The Code Pinko pointed to Joe
“Joe’s a racist, and so are you Smoes!”
“You neo-con hacks!”
“Y’all better watch your backs!”
“Cause BaTalk Obama’s head glows!”
Limerick on July 20, 2008 at 5:17 PM
I must have made a real good argument about you making an utter fool of yourself for you to come back and talk to me.
jaime, prove that you’re the bigger adult by not responding.
barry norris on July 20, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Has anyone ever seen barry norris and dave rywall in the same room?
peacenprosperity on July 20, 2008 at 5:29 PM
I didn’t say I wouldn’t come back and talk to you if you didn’t make a good argument for why Conservatives are racists.
I guess you’re too Lazy and Stupid to see how Lazy and Stupid you are, barry.
jaime on July 20, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Rod,
Iraq was peaceful before we invaded it.
The best assumption would be it would be peaceful again whenever our troops leave it….years ago or next year.
alphie on July 20, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Nary a person was killed when the took over czechoslavakia and poland and annexed austria. Who the hell were we to attack them!? Us bastards.
peacenprosperity on July 20, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Pop Quiz, hotshot. 1.5 years before the U.S invasion of Iraq, where did Zarqawi run to after being wounded in Afghanistan? Hint: Iraq.
Patrick S on July 20, 2008 at 5:38 PM
We turned around Iraq and we will turn around Afghanistan too.
Oh, and don’t all the liberals who agree with Obama that we need to WIN the war in Afghanistan need to sign up for military service?
WisCon on July 20, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Alphie,
You have a very odd definition of peaceful. Invading neighbors and using chemical weapon is peaceful?
terryannonline on July 20, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Peaceful in the north and south because of the no-fly zones.
Peaceful in the middle because Saddam killed everyone he didn’t like.
WisCon on July 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM
The soviet union was a very peaceful place for those who kept their mouths shut and didn’t complain about not having toilet paper.
peacenprosperity on July 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Iraq was peaceful before we invaded it.
The best assumption would be it would be peaceful again whenever our troops leave it….years ago or next year.
alphie on July 20, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Yea right. Iraq was so peaceful that he gassed thousands of his own countrymen. Do you know barry norris?
Travis1 on July 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM
And I guess the leftist utopia of zimbabwe is a very peaceful place.
Alphie, are the dark recesses of your mind peaceful?
peacenprosperity on July 20, 2008 at 5:49 PM
3700 meter hike in the woods.
Up hill, down dale.
Havn’t seen the news.
HEY GALS AND GUYS…
How did my President, Barrack do?
You say!
J_Gocht on July 20, 2008 at 5:49 PM
alphie, please,..don’t do this to yourself and The Cause. No amount of money is worth it. I can understand barry norris because he’s young and foolish,..but, please,…if you want to retain the respect for your opinions you have built here with all of us,..don’t throw it all away for a cheapo. Saddam? Rape rooms, wood chippers, mustard gas for the Kurds, compensation to the families of PLO suicide bombers, Kuwait??
Please,..we want to believe Saddam was a good man with good intentions for his people and the world, but this may be a tad too much. Dial it back a bit and we may be receptive.
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Such chickenhawks that Barackstar and all the Obama-groupies!
Chickenhawks, chickenhawks, chickenhawks.
Chickenhawks.
CK MacLeod on July 20, 2008 at 5:56 PM
“They create a desert and call it peace.”- Tacitus.
Wherever jihadists raise their malignant heads, they should be struck down.
Iraq. Afghanistan. The “Tribal Region” of Pakistan. Or even in the U.S., as with the Fort Dix Six.
Not fighting them anywhere only allows them to metastasize everywhere.
The Jihad is not going away on its own but will need to be killed off, battle by battle, land by land, and repudiated with a better argument, as any ideology of imperialistic theocratic homicidal lunacy must.
profitsbeard on July 20, 2008 at 5:58 PM
In light of the way America treated its captives, a cap, Saddam’s violations of international law look rather tame.
Now, we try to maintain peace in Iraq the exact same way Saddam did…bribes & violence.
alphie on July 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Haven’t seen it. Is he a good walker? That should settle the issue of who is most qualified to be president. Now,.. about that judgment thingey,..
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM
HEY GALS AND GUYS…
How did our President, Barrack do?
Very “good lookin’ too…!
Keep the faith!
Olde soldier sends…!
jgocht@countryspeed.com
J_Gocht on July 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM
What are you talking about? Are you serious?
terryannonline on July 20, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Did you ever see the interview on 60 Minutes of woman telling the story of her dad being hanged by Saddam because he was Jewish?
terryannonline on July 20, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Hey everyone! Come look at alphie, he’s gone nuts!
peacenprosperity on July 20, 2008 at 6:05 PM
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM
a capella, the spelling is “thingy”
jgocht@countryspeed.com
J_Gocht on July 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM
terryannonline at 6:01 PM-
Don’t you remember when we gassed the Kurds?
Jack Murtha and Harry Reid do.
We are the Gestapo plus the Gulag, squared.
Terrorist America, repent!
Barack will administer the penance and absolution.
(AKA taxes and stagnation.)
profitsbeard on July 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Well, you know how this works. Play them if you’ve got them. Be specific. Match and compare violations with the results. Don’t forget Oil for Food and who didn’t get food as a result.
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 6:06 PM
LOL. Best you can do?
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 6:08 PM
The enemy according to alphie:
Colonel Hogan: What’s your defense?
Colonel Klink: Since Colonel Houfman has served his country gallantly in the past, I will try and get him a smaller firing squad.
The world is just a sitcom.
Limerick on July 20, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Wow. I had never seen a brain self-combust before this moment. I had no idea it would be so humorous.
wccawa on July 20, 2008 at 6:15 PM
If history is an indicator, alphie will be moving to another thread.
a capella on July 20, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Aw, darn it! And I was just starting to enjoy this meltdown.
wccawa on July 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Yeah, that was way over the top, ‘blame America first’, I’m starting to see this everywhere now. It is hard for many people in other countries to wrap our heads around this, seeing as America is only the greatest country on Earth and the envy of the planet.
People think that Europe et al hate the USA, it’s not hate.. It is more like jealousy or envy. American culture, American Military power, American economics – This is a heck of tri-fecta, I can’t blame other peoples, but it is hard for me to understand how this occurs within America itself in such large numbers.
saus on July 20, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Well If Obamas plan was utilized,there still
would be Chaos and Sorrow,pain and suffering
in Iraq!
And Liberals that ends the lesson,Obama is still
un-fit and un-qualified to lead,Democrats time to
pick another horse that might be able to compete
in this high-stakes Global War on Terror!
canopfor on July 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM
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