So If any one is not happy with all of Mccains views that makes them a lib!
AMartinez on July 20, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Incorrect.

Not all. But republicans typically vote for and hope that the republican is elected, not hope that the republican loses.

A question for you, right4life, misterpeasea, Spirit of 1776 or anyone who wants to answer the question:

Do you want Obama to be the next president.

A yes or no answer would be appreciated. I’m going to ask a follow-up question next.

can you come up with some new lines?

I’m just responding to the idiot comment you made at 9:13 AM. I’m sorry, you didn’t like it? Well there is a simple solution, stop being a idiot, and then I won’t reply to you as such.

wise_man on July 20, 2008 at 9:51 AM

can you come up with some new lines? you’re really lame. you can’t argue the issues about captain queeg, so you’re reduced to saying:

you’re a lib
you’re lying

Squawk!!

run along and get your cracker.

You are a liar.

wise_man on July 20, 2008 at 9:28 AM

oh yeah right because YOU say so, sure!! BWAHAHAHAHAH

you cannot dispute what I say. moron.

a choice between two people. A democrat, and a republican.

and they’re both LIBERAL

you must be in a great deal of pain, it has to hurt to be that stupid…DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH

and no real conservative can vote for that turncoat.

So Barack Obama is going to be a better president, right4life? In case you haven’t noticed, this is now down to a choice between two people. A democrat, and a republican.

Are you paid to be stupid?

mcdain is a lib.
right4life on July 20, 2008 at 9:13 AM

You are a liar.

wise_man on July 20, 2008 at 9:06 AM

can you give that stupid rating a rest? thats all you argue, other than to lie and belittle others.

mcdain is a lib.

no drilling in ANWR
wants more gun control legislation
limited free speech
Amnesty for mexicans
closing gitmo
no ‘torture’ even saying that makes him a lib.
carbon cap and trade

captain queeg, mccain is a LIBERAL…get it through your fat head. and no real conservative can vote for that turncoat.

hope you get paid by the post.

An “82.6″ ‘conservative score’ based on his votes, and I think a “7″ that Obama got because of his votes proves that McCain is not like Obama, like you falsely allege.

That ends the conversation for me. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2008 at 10:14 PM

You’re winning a lot of hearts and minds, _man.

It’s rich that you accuse me of lying about you after someone else calls you out for misrepresenting my remarks.

And you’re now going to sit there and lie and say you haven’t been on this board for weeks shrieking about how McCain IS SO a conservative! He has an 82.6 from the ACU!!! That means he’s a conservative!!!!!!! Misleading with the truth.

I told you, the commenters here are smarter than that.

This from someone who alternately tries to argue that McSquish is a superduper conservative
misterpeasea on July 19, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Wow, another person who can’t read.

Again:

are you going to come here and copy and past a bunch of lines that tells us all that McCain isn’t a very strong conservative as he should be? Because we already know that.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 5:57 PM

And:

I don’t see how ’supporting the same old’ has anything to do with how the republican voters in the primaries pick candidates. More voted for McCain, understanding that his is not a very strong conservative.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 5:46 PM

So you are again, lying about me.

Please stop. If you keep lying about me, then you are acting like an internet troll. Do not. Do this. Again.

That ends the conversation for me. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2008 at 10:14 PM

How can possibly you read:

I am not advocating that no republican ever criticize another republican, I am just answering your comment

and come to the conclusion that:

Because information can be disseminated more easily, freedom of expression should be reduced?

Quoting out of context. Mischaracterizing. Wanting to silence folks who disagree with you.
misterpeasea on July 19, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Yup.

That’s what you do.

You also mock my name, you are a childish worthless excuse for a conservative.

Holy christ, can you read?

That ends the conversation for me. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

Because information can be disseminated more easily, freedom of expression should be reduced?
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Holy christ, can you read?

I am not advocating that no republican ever criticize another republican, I am just answering your comment and want you to see one of the other possibilities that are an unintended consequences to an action.
wise_man on July 19, 2008 at 9:45 PM

And, amusingly, underestimating peoples’ intelligence:

Which I think, to be fair, you are misrepresenting – “I’d rather 4 years of Bambi and 15-20 years of liberalism in the wilderness than 4 years of McSquish and 15-20 years of conservatism in the wilderness.”

Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2008 at 8:50 PM

I told you, _man, that my comment was still there in its entirety and that people can read it.

And, uh, I’m the liar and the secret Democrat. I express factually inaccurate opinions – this is a classic: you’re saying that my opinion that McSquish is a liberal is factually inaccurate. That does not compute. This from someone who alternately tries to argue that McSquish is a superduper conservative and that he’s not such a superduper conservative. From someone who provides true statistics that he uses to intentionally mislead.

Or maybe you really don’t understand thoughts as complex as the one I expressed.

wise_man on July 19, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Because information can be disseminated more easily, freedom of expression should be reduced?

Besides what you saying is that Republicans or conservatives who have issue with McCain should actually go to democratic or liberal sites and express their views there. Isn’t that actively doing what you are concerned about passively, or as unintended consequence?

I understand your point, but criticism from the left and criticism from the right are two different things and have two different effects.
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2008 at 9:35 PM

In the age of the internet and youtube, these lines are blurring. If a republican criticizes a republican in public, then they know that some democrat can use this comment in response to their benefit – such as a “see? it’s the truth, even this republican agrees with us” and then the ‘different things’ that mean one thing from one person has a different effect. I am not advocating that no republican ever criticize another republican, I am just answering your comment and want you to see one of the other possibilities that are an unintended consequences to an action.

Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2008 at 9:24(26) PM

If someone had a magic ball and was able to guarantee that the economy was going to be horrible, and that it would benefit the conservative movement to have a democrat take the fall for that, I would be persuaded to do as mr.Dont’VoteForThaTtraitirMcCain advocates and help to get Obama elected. At this point, this is just an opinion, not a fact. I have more confidence in our economy. And, if the economy were to be bad for 4 years, I have no doubt that the media would spin this as the republicans fault, because of the bush tax cuts on the wealthy and not Obama’s fault at all.

I have no problem with dissent when within the confines of conservative thought. When it (in my opinion) moves into democrat advocacy, I do have a problem with this.

“Do you deride group-think as in the case of global warming?”

Global warming is more likely due to solar activity, not anything man made. Any time people talk about man made global warming, they always piggyback the US to pay for it all, (in the form of the US taxpayers) and allow China and other polluters to get a free pass. Carbon credits is a scam. Group think on Global warming with Al Gore claiming that there is a consensus is complete and utter BS.

And at this point, after the republican primaries, criticism of McCain is what the democrats are doing. Again, I don’t want to do what democrats are in the process of doing.

That is another interesting position. I might note that some people criticize Rush and others (I don’t say justly or not, not my call) for not being more vocal about issues that deserved criticism which may have, if mobilizing the base, help move the administration (or presently McCain) into more friendly territory.

To say I won’t do something because someone else I don’t like does it is relatively short-sighted I think. I understand your point, but criticism from the left and criticism from the right are two different things and have two different effects. Criticism from the left will rally the base and possible friction off independents. Criticism from the right may move a candidate to secure their votes. Even if you dismiss it, I’m sure McCain is considering it, and will likely pick a VP candidate based on those very principles.

, again I think you mislabel anti-McCain as pro-Obama. You can argue, and you probably have, that the consequence of not supporting McCain means support of Obama, but we know that’s an inaccurate statement to deliberate blur the lines and the sting of McCain criticism.
Spirit of 1776 on July 19, 2008 at 9:15 PM

We are now down to two people. All the people who vote for Obama will be counted against all the people voting for McCain. In each state, that state’s electoral votes will be awarded to the winner. If the vote is close, then all of the people who could have voted for McCain and didn’t, will be contributing because they refused to lift a finger and make their voice heard to defeat Obama.

And at this point, after the republican primaries, criticism of McCain is what the democrats are doing. Again, I don’t want to do what democrats are in the process of doing. Since this is after the republican primaries, the time to choose a candidate is over. That happened already. And he won. He beat Mitt, and Fred, and Rudy, and Huck. The people have spoken.

What is the difference between being an ass and lying about about McCain the day before the election, and doing it now? The people who have decided to make this their daily job to trash McCain have only one purpose. To convince other conservative not to vote for him, and help to get Obama elected. This is being done at the liberal blogs, and I don’t see why this should also be done on conservative blogs.

It is selfish for someone who is angry that their candidate lost, to them advocate on behalf of the democrat to that they win, and their candidate try again in 4 years.