Why would Romney want to be McCain’s VP?

posted at 11:55 am on July 18, 2008 by Allahpundit

Why would anyone? Ruffini wonders:

Mitt Romney is already in line to be the nominee in 4 years if McCain loses under the GOP Law of Primogeniture. Why would he want to muck it up with a VP run? If McCain loses, it is all downside for Mitt. People would forget all the positive aspects of his Presidential run and remember his role on a losing ticket. (See Edwards, John.)

And even if McCain wins, Romney would face a tough road getting elected in his own right. Republicans are already facing voter exhaustion after 8 years in power. Could they win a third or fourth consecutive election even if they manage to pull it out in ’08? The possibility grows progressively unlikelier.

Follow the link for a refresher on the dismal fate historically of VP candidates, especially losing VP candidates, who reach for the brass ring. Anyone want to try floating a plausible scenario by which we’d see a Bush/McCain/Romney succession, even if Maverick only serves one term? Three men from the same party haven’t been consecutively independently elected since Grant, Hayes, and Garfield during the post-Civil War Republican stranglehold on government. (I’m not counting McKinley/Roosevelt/Taft or Harding/Coolidge/Hoover since both sequences involved presidential deaths.) Good luck replicating that with public opinion about the GOP being what it is. The only way you could conceivably do it is if McCain’s presidency was both a dramatic break from Bush and phenomenally successful, transforming the dynamic from three Republicans in a row to old Republican/new Republican/new Republican. But how phenomenal is his success likely to be with heavy Democratic majorities in both houses?

All of which is another way of saying that if Mitt’s hellbent on the presidency, he needs McCain to lose — which, ironically, makes him the Hillary to Maverick’s Obama, albeit even more so. As such, there’s no reason to join the ticket but plenty of reason, as Ruffini notes, to surf the VP buzz to raise his national profile. Exit question one: Is it really this simple, though? Mitt’s enough of a Boy Scout that if McCain went to him and said he needs him on the ticket for the good of country, he probably couldn’t say no, whatever the consequences for his ambitions. And even if he does stay off the ticket and McCain loses, he’s not in some catbird-seat position for 2012. Maybe he starts off as presumptive frontrunner, but conservatives will be looking for something fresh and an aging, fabulously wealthy patrician white guy who’s consistently underperformed electorally doesn’t match up well with Jindal and Palin. Exit question two: Per Ruffini’s logic, why would anyone want to be on the ticket this year? Thanks to their youth, Jindal and Palin are marginally better positioned than Mitt to re-create themselves later if they lose as VP now, but why make their 2012 task any harder than it is? McCain might find himself stuck with some Jack Kemp-type figure who doesn’t have any strong national ambitions himself, doesn’t really expect to win this time, but doesn’t have much to lose by saying yes.

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I thought McCain already let it slip to some kid that he was looking for a “young” VP.

Although, next to J Mac, Romney seems quite svelte.

LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Mitt’s enough of a Boy Scout that if McCain went to him and said he needs him on the ticket for the good of country, he probably couldn’t say no, whatever the consequences for his ambitions.

Indeed. What a concept in today’s Obamaian/Clintonian era, to just do something because it’s good for one’s country, to just serve.

Entelechy on July 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM

LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Which younin was Mccain talking about?

upinak on July 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Because Mitt is one of the rare politicians who actually has the brains to address the economy.

volsense on July 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Romney does NOT want to tie his Credibility to McCain…

Two scenarios word out…

McCain looses, and Romney is part of that loosing ticket…

McCain WINS, and Romney get killed by the base next election due to McCains policys on the Environment, and Border, and lack of coherence on energy.

Loose loose for Romney, he just needs to sit back and wait this one out.

Romeo13 on July 18, 2008 at 12:02 PM

I voted for Mitt and think hope he runs again so I can vote for him again. No Mormonphobia here. But he adds little to the ticket. Not that VP adds very much ever. If Beyonce or J-Lo were 35…

Beagle on July 18, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Besides, nobody ever visits Disney World’s “Hall of Vice- Presidents” exhibit.

gmbdds on July 18, 2008 at 12:04 PM

All of which is another way of saying that if Mitt’s hellbent on the presidency, he needs McCain to lose — which, ironically, makes him the Hillary to Maverick’s Obama…. would have happened if the Huckster hadn’t screwed it up.

There, that’s better.

BacaDog on July 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Because Mitt is one of the rare politicians who actually has the brains to address the economy.

volsense on July 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Mitt would make a great Secretary of the Treasury

mred on July 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

upinak on July 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM

No idea. Some kid caught him off-gaurd with the question. Perhaps there’s hope for Palin yet.

LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

A presidential candidate who is nominated and then loses the general doesn’t get a second shot, but that’s not a problem for VP. Edwards didn’t get the nod because he couldn’t beat the Hill-machine or the Obamessiah, it had nothing to do with being Kerry’s running mate.

If Mitt is McCain’s VP, McCain’s chances rise considerably, and Mitt perfectly positions himself to run for POTUS in 2012.

I love the fact that the worst thing anybody can say about Mitt is that he is a boy scout.

JustTruth101 on July 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Republicans are already facing voter exhaustion after 8 years in power.

If this is true, it’s only exhaustion from watching them blunder about, squandering their majority by acting like a bunch of selfish pigs at the trough.

fossten on July 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I find it hard to believe that anyone that is asked to be a VP would turn it down, for the sole fact of just what a small chance you can EVER have to become President or Vice-President of the most powerful nation on Earth.

Vincenzo on July 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM

McCain might find himself stuck with some Jack Kemp-type figure who doesn’t have any strong national ambitions himself, doesn’t really expect to win this time, but doesn’t have much to lose by saying yes.

Which is why I fear a Ridge pick. If McCain wants to win he needs a push not a damn-i-gotta-go-to-work partner.

Limerick on July 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Could they win a third or fourth consecutive election even if they manage to pull it out in ‘08?

They could if they did it right. If they actually behaved like conservatives and put more money in Americans pockets and less government overall.

I think the next Prez. will be seen as a hero regardless of who it is. Al Quaida is beat down. Saddam is burning in Hell. Iran will roll over. The economy will turn around. Gas prices will take a dip.

Part of me doesn’t want a Republican president with this disaster of a Congress, but the other part knows a democrat prez with this disaster of a Congress would be worse, far worse.

cntrlfrk on July 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Mitt Romney is already in line to be the nominee in 4 years if McCain loses under the GOP Law of Primogeniture. Why would he want to muck it up with a VP run? If McCain loses, it is all downside for Mitt.

Just ask John Edwards.

I hope McCain wins. But is he doesn’t I would rather Romney be the next president. I hope that McCain picks the governor of Alaska for his veep. I’d hope to be able to vote for her to be president 8 or 12 years later.

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:09 PM

All of those things are interesting, but incidental. Lots of correlation and not much causation. The GOP’s (the actual party “machinery,” not its members) biggest problem is that it’s soft, lazy, and unprincipled. Its only saving grace is that its opponents are equally to slightly more soft, lazy, and unprincipled.

ErikTheRed on July 18, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Mitt would make a great Secretary of the Treasury
mred on July 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

That would be awesome. And Fred could be Attorney General. And Bolton, secretary of state.

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Why would Romney want to be McCain’s VP?

Possibly because the presidency will never be an option for him anyway, and a shot at being VP isn’t too shabby in it’s own right? Apparently the VP position isn’t very appreciated here, but considering the odds of reaching such high office I would certainly be content with it.

sublime on July 18, 2008 at 12:13 PM

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:11 PM

And Rudy, Secretary of something or other. Defense?

jimmy the notable on July 18, 2008 at 12:15 PM

the GOP Law of Primogeniture

You nailed it! The GOP law of primogeniture gives you lemmings such as Bob Dole, G.W. Bush, John McCain and probably (if he wanted it) Jeb Bush

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 12:17 PM

This is why I don’t want Romney to be VP. It’s gonna be an epic fail for MexicCain, and I don’t want Romney’s political future to be destroyed along with it.

And all y’all who say “Palin! Jindal! etc,” instead of Romney — get real! Let them run their states first. They’ll have their time. Let Mitt have his.

HYTEAndy on July 18, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Of course, there’s always the ghoulish option: what if McCain dies in office? Then, being VP makes you the incumbent.

I think if asked, Mitt goes to VP. You can’t rely on history–i.e. the second place guy getting the nod next time.

The John Edwards effect is a concern, but I really think that if McCain picked Romney, he’d give economic and other things to him–ala Cheney.

On the bright side, there’s only two rising stars to be concerned with in 2012–Palin and Jindal. Fred! won’t run again, Huck is done, and Tanc and the others don’t have the national cachet. Who else is out there? Romney will have the experience to run a national campaign again, and he won’t make the same mistakes.

So I think Mitt will take VP if asked–it can’t be THAT much of a downside.

Vanceone on July 18, 2008 at 12:19 PM

If the Repubs finagled huge quantities of oil from the ground despite Dem opposition, and prices plummeted as a result, the Repubs would have clear presidential sailing for two or three terms (if they remained scandal- and disaster-free) as the Dems lived down their opposition to drilling. Maybe not, but maybe. Probably.

Akzed on July 18, 2008 at 12:19 PM

HYTEAndy on July 18, 2008 at 12:17 PM

I only say Palin because of teh hotness

LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM

And Rudy, Secretary of something or other. Defense?
jimmy the notable on July 18, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Wait, I’m sorry – Rudy as the Attorney General. Or if he wanted to, homeland security. Thank God that lettuce head’s time as homeland security is down to months.

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Anyone want to try floating a plausible scenario by which we’d see a Bush/McCain/Romney succession, even if Maverick only serves one term?

Parties don’t run against each other — candidates do. The Dems have managed to nominate turkeys in this election cycle and the two that precede it. Why would the Dems nominate someone good in 2012? This election is proof of this concept. Obama should be kicking McCain’s ass in the polls and instead he’s running tied.

Outlander on July 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM

In case this isn’t a rhetorical question:
because the duties are light and the pay is high

corona on July 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM

The latest polls out of NC, VA, and NV (+2,+1,-1) show just how much McCain needs some energy pumped into his campaign. A Palin pick today would lock up those three must win states. A Palin pick the day after Obama picks up Sibelius will be spitting into the wind.

I just don’t see any advantage in McCain waiting around to react to an Obama pick. He needs to fire the first shot.

Limerick on July 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM

I only say Palin because of teh hotness
LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM

McCain/Hazelbaker 08!

Akzed on July 18, 2008 at 12:22 PM

The whole legislature pay fiasco in LA hasn’t raised Jindal’s stock much in my book. I’m looking for Palin.

If I were a true-blue conservative, I’d steer clear of McCain and ride out whatever happens regardless. If McCain wins, it’s likely he’ll do good on his good points, but just mess up immigration and the global warming sham, points on which a /real/ conservative will be able to offer solutions.

In 2012, the Dems will probably still be saying the sky is falling and the ME is a disaster.

Vatican Watcher on July 18, 2008 at 12:22 PM

The answer is: if Romney takes the job, and McCain wins, he gains credibility as a national figure, and wipes out some of the anti-mormon bigotry. Instead of running in ’12 or ’16 as a former governor, he would be running as a former vice president.

Think_b4_speaking on July 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Defense?

jimmy the notable on July 18, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Gen. Petraeus.

CurtZHP on July 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Possibly because the presidency will never be an option for him anyway ***
sublime on July 18, 2008 at 12:13 PM

That’s precisely the wrong reason to want to be VP. McCain is a one-termer by default. His VP will run for President in four years. You don’t accept the VP job to McCain if VP is your terminal ambition. Cheney did, but Cheney was a special case.

Outlander on July 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Okay, history buffs, when was the last time we elected someone to president from the private sector? In 2012, Romney will be nowhere. I don’t think Edwards is a good comparison, as Dems love their neophytes (see: Obama, B.).

Rhinoboy on July 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Think_b4_speaking on July 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM

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To take the analysis one step further – Romney running as VP in this cycle, when voters despise just about everyone, and while the dems are putting up the weakest candidate since McGovern, it is his best shot of getting a national job.

Think_b4_speaking on July 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM

I wish McCain and all his ilk would just die on the vine. The GOP is in enough of a slump without him taking it even farther down the road to socialism. I would run with the man, if I were Romney, but I’m betting he will eventually be picked and say yes. It’s about the money.

spmat on July 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM

If I were a true-blue conservative, I’d steer clear of McCain and ride out whatever happens regardless.
Vatican Watcher on July 18, 2008 at 12:22 PM

You could do that, but it’s important to fully understand what that means, and what the consequences are.

As you may know, Obama was identified as the most liberal in the senate, and he is now making a public appearance shift to the center in an attempt to capture votes from the center. Can’t change what’s in his heart, which is far-left.

If Obama does win, be prepared to update the definition of “Regardless.”

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Bah.. I wouldn’t run with the man, if I were Romney. I r teh suck.

spmat on July 18, 2008 at 12:26 PM

McCain is a one-termer by default.
Outlander on July 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Why do you say that?

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Outlander on July 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Rockefeller…but I get your point.

Limerick on July 18, 2008 at 12:29 PM

A presidential candidate who is nominated and then loses the general doesn’t get a second shot, but that’s not a problem for VP.

Kemp ’08 !

lorien1973 on July 18, 2008 at 12:30 PM

McCain might find himself stuck with some Jack Kemp-type figure who doesn’t have any strong national ambitions himself, doesn’t really expect to win this time, but doesn’t have much to lose by saying yes.

A perfect description of John Kasich. A former Congressman (like Kemp) from a swing state who is right now a news commentator, who could go back to that if he loses (look what Geraldine Ferraro is doing now).

Kasich does have enough experience and economic expertise to be a credible candidate, and his name-recognition in Ohio (untarnished by corruption like some other Ohio Reps) is a definite plus, and his youthful looks are a good foil for McCain’s age. He’s also a good speaker and debater, which will be needed against the Man with the Golden Tongue.

If McCain wins, Kasich would still be young enough to succeed him if McCain decides to retire after one term. If McCain loses, Jindal and Palin will have enough experience by 2012 to be credible Veep nominees.

Steve Z on July 18, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Exit question one: Is it really this simple, though? Mitt’s enough of a Boy Scout that if McCain went to him and said he needs him on the ticket for the good of country, he probably couldn’t say no, whatever the consequences for his ambitions.

I don’t think that Mitt is in this out of personal ambition, but out of a sense of duty. He has the reasonable belief that these are perilous times and he has much to contribute as an articulate and eminently capable counterweight to the Left’s destructive ideas on the economy, energy, and national security.

Clearly he is horrified (as many of us are) at the prospect of an Obama Presidency, and he will do whatever it takes to prevent that outcome. If Obama wins there may not be much left of this country by 2012, so there is a real sense of urgency here that goes well beyond being a “Boy Scout”.

Buy Danish on July 18, 2008 at 12:30 PM

You don’t accept the VP job to McCain if VP is your terminal ambition.
Outlander on July 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Huh? If being VP is your terminal ambition you don’t accept the VP job? Why isn’t it possible that he would be happy being VP anyway? It doesn’t preclude him from running for the presidency and it’s more than most people can aspire to.

sublime on July 18, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Allah, you raise some good points-I hadn’t thought through why Romney would want to avoid serving as Veep. I do like the idea of him serving the McCain admin on the economy. I think Palin would be a great choice, as she’s proven to be an able administrator. I wanted a Governor at the top of the ticket, as Senators only run their mouths. Having a capable Governor in the Veep slot makes the McCain ticket more palatable.

Doug on July 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM

It doesn’t preclude him from running for the presidency and it’s more than most people can aspire to.

Agreed. Besides VP Cheney showed us that the position can be a powerful position if you do your job right.

terryannonline on July 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Sorry, Allah, but you’re misttaken on this one. Mitt is not a lightweight who would be tainted by a, G-d forbid, loss in November. Being VP would also help further neutralize the Mormon thing (when nothing “bad” happens over the next four years).

Does anyone not think that Mitt Romney is at the top of the list? If he isn’t picked, the ensuing depression in the land will likely sink McCain’s chances.

ParisParamus on July 18, 2008 at 12:36 PM

I think saying McCain can’t stand up to Obama’s message pretty much puts him out of the running and should.

tomas on July 18, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Ironically, the only reason a Republican did not follow Garfield/Arthur is because of a combination of Chet Arthur having Brights Disease and Republicans nominating the most abysmal scmuck from Maine possible to run against the most popular governor of the Nations Largest State.

Squid Shark on July 18, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Romney will be in the driver’s seat for 2012 no matter what happens. Jindal and Palin will be starting out with the same single digit polling that Romney started with.

Greenhorn on July 18, 2008 at 12:44 PM

upinak on July 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM

No idea. Some kid caught him off-gaurd with the question. Perhaps there’s hope for Palin yet.

LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Actually, that was me. His response to whether or not he would choose Palin as VP was that they’re still going through the selection process, that she is a wonderful person, very popular in her state, and that she has a future in our party.

Townhall, Part Five

MB007 on July 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM

I’m sure we’ll see a Romney vs. Huckabee rematch in 2012 if McCain only serves one term.

CP on July 18, 2008 at 12:46 PM

The problem for McCain is that his VP selection is a double-edged sword. If he picks another liberal who shares his Democrat-lite social values, he loses the base constituency that got GWB elected twice. If he picks a real Republican and wins, what kind of working relationship does he have with an individual who doesn’t share his left-of-center agenda?

IMO, this nation has benefited from the close working relationship that Bush/Cheney enjoy. I’d rather Triceratops pick another rabid liberal who he can work with and run honestly for what he is than choosing a real Republican who would be virtually ignored by the administration for the next four years.

highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM

OT: Oil is down to $130.27. Guess Pelosi and Reid are much bigger idiots than I even thought (ok, that’s not possible, but…)

ParisParamus on July 18, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Three men from the same party haven’t been consecutively independently elected since Grant, Hayes, and Garfield during the post-Civil War Republican stranglehold on government.

That means we’re due!

Seriously, these pseudo-statistical probabilistic historical analogies are even worse in politics than they are in sports (87% of teams losing the first 2 games lose the series – mainly because 95% of teams losing the first 2 games suck compared to whomever they lost to – you need a great point guard or a dominant center to win the NBA championship, until Chicago 6 times in 8 years).

In the modern era until Bush 41 in ’88, it was thought there was a VP jinx. Now it’s considered a steppingstone again, as in times past. Up until Clinton lost NH in ’92, it was considered virtually impossible to win without it. Now it’s a possibly important primary again.

What the Marxists call objective historical forces are a lot more important than whether it’s statistically time for the presidency to change hands – though, speaking of hands, I confess I find the incidence of left-handed nominees a bit perplexing…

CK MacLeod on July 18, 2008 at 12:52 PM

ParisParamus on July 18, 2008 at 12:49 PM

*feeling smug*

LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Romney will be in the driver’s seat for 2012 no matter what happens. Jindal and Palin will be starting out with the same single digit polling that Romney started with.

Greenhorn on July 18, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Romney rose out of single-digit polling?

That’s tongue-in-cheek, of course, but only a little. Romney never took off, guys. He’s not going to help McCain win, and he’s not the presumptive nominee for 2012. Can you imagine him running against an incumbent Obama or a re-risen Hillary? *shudder* Suicide.

aero on July 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM

I’d rather Triceratops pick another rabid liberal who he can work with and run honestly for what he is than choosing a real Republican…
highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Ha! Ha! McCain is OLD! And he’s a “rabid liberal!”

McCain is such a “rabid liberal” in fact, that the American Conservative Union gave him a conservative score of “B”. Not a “F”, or a “D”, but a “B”. And while that proves that he is not not most liberal in the republican party, it does prove that highhopes is full of sh*t.

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Its a great opportunity for Mitt to show us what he can do and puts him naturally in line without to much cost or fighting about it, he gave Obama a good smacking on the Today Show this morning.

Give me a Conservative to vote for in four years, please.

Speakup on July 18, 2008 at 12:56 PM

The reason Mitt wants the VP slot is because that is the only way he becomes president now that he did not win it this year. If he is not VP he is Not ever going to be president. Why vote for Mitt when you can vote for Bobby or Sarah. There is NO REASON TO VOTE FOR MITT if he IS NOT VP.

BroncosRock on July 18, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Can you imagine him running against an incumbent Obama or a re-risen Hillary?

Yeah, his prospects wouldn’t look good. If Republicans lose this year, I say we try to look for someone else besides Romney for 2012. We will have plenty of time to look.

terryannonline on July 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Speakup on July 18, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Romney was on the today show this morning? Does anyone have a video clip of that?

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM

We will have plenty of time to look.

terryannonline on July 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM

I would suspect we’d have until 2016 to get our poop together.

Just a hunch.

LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Romney does not add anything significant to the ticket, guys. Yes, he has a solid grasp of economics, but lots of Republicans can talk credibly about economic issues. McCain needs someone with some pizzazz to gin some excitement and positive energy into his campaign. Plastic gameshow host Romney doesn’t cut it.

Outlander on July 18, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Entelechy on July 18, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Accepting a calling that might hurt your future chances out of a feeling of obligation to serve for the betterment of your country?

A novel idea, indeed.

JadeNYU on July 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Plastic gameshow host Romney doesn’t cut it.

Plastic gameshow host Romney came in second in the republican primary, better than Fred, Rudy, Huck and the others we able to do.

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM

But how phenomenal is his success likely to be with heavy Democratic majorities in both houses?

Just how much did Bill Clinton have to do with the economic boom of the nineties?

Right now things look pretty bleak, and they may pan out that way. But I wouldn’t be on it.

Sooner or later there’s bound to be some sort of lightbulb moment when a lot of people look up and realize that we won the Iraq war.

Add the bottoming of the housing market and then an upturn, a consensus that has to form on something that will allow upgrading our energy infrastructure, with a boom of construtction to follow, and maybe some energy breakthrough like the LS9 guys and their crude-oil crapping bugs, and it wouldn’t matter how much McCain actually had to do with it, he’d get the credit.

Typhoon on July 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Plastic gameshow host Romney came in second in the republican primary, better than Fred, Rudy, Huck and the others we able to do.

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Exactly. It was an incredibly weak slate of candidates, which I for one don’t want repeated in 2012. Every one of them had a fatal flaw. Every. One.

I wish we could forbid them all from running again so that we get a fresh field next time, but we know already that we’re getting Romney and Huckabee back for sure. I don’t think Fred will do it again, and I don’t see Giuliani going in for another round of humiliation. But do you guys really want a showdown between Romney and Huckabee for our choices next time. Ugh. Fresh faces, please!

aero on July 18, 2008 at 1:15 PM

That’s tongue-in-cheek, of course, but only a little. Romney never took off, guys. He’s not going to help McCain win, and he’s not the presumptive nominee for 2012. Can you imagine him running against an incumbent Obama or a re-risen Hillary? *shudder* Suicide.

aero on July 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Well, um…

If running against an “incumbent Obama” winds up being such a chore, then that means he’s not the Second Coming of Jimmy Carter after all.

If it turns out in four years that he’s a popular president difficult to beat, then that means all of us here predicating what a disaster he’ll be…are wrong.

Now I personally don’t think he has a chance in hell of being elected. But I also think if he is, that I’m not wrong about what a disaster he’ll be, so he’ll be a Carter-sized target in 2012.

Typhoon on July 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM

McCain might find himself stuck with some Jack Kemp-type figure who doesn’t have any strong national ambitions himself, doesn’t really expect to win this time, but doesn’t have much to lose by saying yes.

Like Charlie Crist.

Jindal and Palin are young, but compared to McCain, they’ll look like adolescents (and he’ll likely treat them as such). Romney has a middle-aged appearance by comparison, and let’s face it, some days you look at McCain and wonder if he’ll make it through the next 24 hours.

Nichevo on July 18, 2008 at 1:21 PM

But do you guys really want a showdown between Romney and Huckabee for our choices next time.

aero on July 18, 2008 at 1:15 PM

Hell yeah I would just to see Romney beat the stuffing out of Schmuckabee.

Greenhorn on July 18, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Hell yeah I would just to see Romney beat the stuffing out of Schmuckabee.

Greenhorn on July 18, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Sigh. Clash of the Titans of Mediocrity.

aero on July 18, 2008 at 1:27 PM

If it turns out in four years that he’s a popular president difficult to beat, then that means all of us here predicating what a disaster he’ll be…are wrong.

Typhoon on July 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM

It is possible to be an incredibly popular disaster, too. Like FDR. It depends on how much of the productive taxpayers’ money you manage to give to the masses of less productive voters. Some presidents are better than others at using billions of taxpayer dollars to buy themselves popularity and votes. I think Obama might prove to be extremely good at it, particularly with the backing of a rubberstamp Dem-led Congress. The resulting destruction/erosion of the economy and American values might not show up until many years later, as with FDR.

aero on July 18, 2008 at 1:33 PM

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Romney had a huge pile of self-financed cash to run media and GOTV ops in all the early primary states. The only other candidate with a well-financed campaign was Giuliani, and he was not viable after Obama started rising and the NYT knee-capped him with that fake girlfriend story. Had Romney not frequently come in second, I really would have wondered about him!

While I believe McCain won by default, I have to give McCain credit for actually rising from the dead and winning the nomination with no money and no campaign infrastructure to speak of.

Outlander on July 18, 2008 at 1:36 PM

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Other than maybe the MSNBC site I don’t have a clue.

Speakup on July 18, 2008 at 1:41 PM

If McCain wins, Kasich would still be young enough to succeed him if McCain decides to retire after one term. If McCain loses, Jindal and Palin will have enough experience by 2012 to be credible Veep nominees.

Steve Z on July 18, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Gimem a break! John Kasich, a boring speaker who once suggested that the GOP try to reach out to Louis Farakahn. Even the feret faced Alan Colmes said (parpahprasing) “Yeah let the Republicans reach out to Louis Farrakhan.” I recall Farakhan actually once praising Kasich.

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Kemp ‘08 !

lorien1973 on July 18, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Are you nuts? Why a retread hasbeen like Jack Kemp or Newt Gingrich? Besides Jack Kemp is too much like McCain anyway.

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Accepting a calling that might hurt your future chances out of a feeling of obligation to serve for the betterment of your country?

A novel idea, indeed.

JadeNYU on July 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM

I agree in theory that it would be a wonderful thing to see our politicians think country before career though I’m not sure, in this case, the two are mutually exclusive. I think it would be wonderful to see McCain sacrafice his political career for the country (ie stepping aside for a smarter and better candidate), but on the other hand I’m not sure Romney sacraficing his political career in order to get McCain elected is in our county’s best interest. For if Romney takes the necessary steps to give himself the best possible chance of becoming POTUS, that may be the best thing he could do for our country. The only way he would accept McCain’s offer to be his running mate would be if he determined that an Obama presidency would cause so much damage to the country that by the time he stepped in it would be too far gone. So, I guess the question Romney is asking himself right now is, is Obama competent? Will he be able to successfully complete the socialistic goals he sets out to complete or will he be a lame duck lacking the power to be dangerous? If the answer is determined to be the former, Romney will accept. If its the latter he will not.

Zetterson on July 18, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Kasich gets Farrakhan’s praise: Kemp also has minister’s respect.(Nation)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5244/is_199703/ai_n19715816

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 1:55 PM

CHENEY-BOLTON ’12: THE END OF FRIVOLITY

PALIN-BOLTON ’12: FLASH AND THE ‘STACHE

PALIN-GINGRICH ’12: THE MENSCH AND THE GRINCH

MCCAIN-PALIN ’08: THE SQUISH AND THE DISH

MCCAIN-MICHELLE OBAMA ’08: THE SQUISH AND THE SQUASH

misterpeasea on July 18, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Actually, that was me.

Do you know the honey in part 4? If it were me, I’d get to know a conservative girl who shows up at a political speach showing skin.

peacenprosperity on July 18, 2008 at 2:07 PM

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:54 PM

McCain Shill. On the issues I care about, not some average of votes, McCain is far to the left of the party. Are you really a mindless dolt or do you have to practice at posting insipid pro-McCain propoganda?

highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Seriously, these pseudo-statistical probabilistic historical analogies are even worse in politics than they are in sports

Well then, let’s bring up the combo sports/political one where the winner of a Presidential election is determined by whether or not the Washington Redskins win their last home game before the election! (Redskins win means incumbent keeps office) This little gem held true until 2004 when the skins lost but GWB won. Believe it or not, I had Democrat friends the Monday after the game acting as if a Kerry victory was assured because of this one.

highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM

45 million, even for a guy like Romney, is an awful lot of money just to forget about. If Mitt is looking to run in 2012 that money would have come in handy. As the sitting VP and head of the party, that money isn’t as important. Mitt forgiving that debt gives me hope that it’s a done deal and mccain has already picked him. If that’s true, I hope Mitt used his negotiating and business experience to make sure mccain will give him authority over the economy, even if it’s behind the scenes.

peacenprosperity on July 18, 2008 at 2:12 PM

If I were Romney, I would stay as far away from Capt’n amnesty as I could. However, McCain is an old timer, and Romney may think he can win in 4 years as an incumbent.

Personally, I think McCain will be around for years to come just like bad weeds.

saiga on July 18, 2008 at 2:14 PM

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 12:54 PM

McCain Shill. On the issues I care about, not some average of votes, McCain is far to the left of the party. Are you really a mindless dolt or do you have to practice at posting insipid pro-McCain propoganda?

highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Agreed. Outside of the war, McCain is all wet. Even on the war, he wants to close down Gitmo to appease the Euotrash crowd and is against water boarding. On immigration, tax cuts, conservative Supreme Court judges, freedom of speech, the global warming bull crap, he is a lefty. How the hell did he become the nominee anyway? Are GOP primary voters congenitally stupid? Do they care about winning or are more like Bob Dole want to put up a good fight but lose.

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM

and is against water boarding.

I am also against water boarding. I think they should chum the water off Guantanamo and then dunk the bastards in. Let them float in a pool of blood surrounded by sharks. I wonder what muhammad said about showing up in heaven after a shark has bit off your schwanz.

peacenprosperity on July 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM

highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Are you really a mindless dolt or do you have to practice at posting insipid anti-McCain “propoganda?”

In addition to practicing spelling, that is.

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Tammy Bruce said this morning that Ann Coulter is starting a website called http://www.letsgetdrunkandvoteformccain.com

peacenprosperity on July 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I am also against water boarding. I think they should chum the water off Guantanamo and then dunk the bastards in. Let them float in a pool of blood surrounded by sharks. I wonder what muhammad said about showing up in heaven after a shark has bit off your schwanz.

peacenprosperity on July 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM

After seeing Israel’s unbelievably (actually I should write ‘Olmert’s') gutless act of freeing that murderer, I favor summary executions of all Muslim terrorists.

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM

gutless act of freeing that murderer

I read an article yesterday in the JP that quoted the head of the Israeli Defense Forces, I think, as saying that guy was no longer the responsibility of the Israelis since he was free and would eventually face the same fate as anyone who murders innocent Israelis. I think they will put a missile down his throat fairly soon.

peacenprosperity on July 18, 2008 at 2:32 PM

This is the perfect job for Mitt. He’s a functionary, a trooper, not a “look at me” kind of guy, very competent, even a kind of Ken doll, veep version. He also fills in some problem spots in McCain’s personality, of articulation, even-temperment, dare I say age, very competent on the economy, strong executive experience.

Paul-Cincy on July 18, 2008 at 2:34 PM

I read an article yesterday in the JP that quoted the head of the Israeli Defense Forces, I think, as saying that guy was no longer the responsibility of the Israelis since he was free and would eventually face the same fate as anyone who murders innocent Israelis. I think they will put a missile down his throat fairly soon.

peacenprosperity on July 18, 2008 at 2:32 PM

I strongly suspect he is marked for death.

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Let’s forget looking forward and take a leap back into the present.

McCain/Trump 2008
Ready…Aim…Yer Fired

sulla on July 18, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Do they care about winning or are more like Bob Dole want to put up a good fight but lose.

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM

beating Obama (the MAHDI (pbuh)) would be racist and mccain would never do anything like that.

right4life on July 18, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Rudy would make a fine Inspector General or AG or a Special Prosecutor for William Jefferson’s FreezerGate and Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Syria.

viking01 on July 18, 2008 at 3:08 PM

About Mitt… He’s a lot like Cheney. A business success story, resolute in the face of envious hippie rejects throwing tantrums, and satisfied with serving the President in a quiet, low-key competent manner. Mitt gets important things done and that is an important quality compared to, say, Fat Albert or Walter Mondale.

viking01 on July 18, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Tammy Bruce said this morning that Ann Coulter is starting a website called http://www.letsgetdrunkandvoteformccain.com
peacenprosperity on July 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Ann of the people who are advocating we punish McCain for not being conservative enough should go to

http://www.whatpartaboutdecidebetweenobamaandmccaindoyounotunderstand.com

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Ann of the people who are advocating we punish McCain for not being conservative enough should go to

http://www.whatpartaboutdecidebetweenobamaandmccaindoyounotunderstand.com

wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Hey nobody here (at least 99%) of the people here are not going to vote for Obama or sit this one out. We are just being honest when we say that for the most part we find Juan McAmnesty (and his coterie of RINO girl friends such as Lindsey Graham and Trent Lott) to be a hideous candidate. We will hold our noses and vote for him knowing full well that the alternative is worse but under no illusions that McAmnesty is one of us. He ain’t! If Juan wins we will have emassive Democratic gains in the House and Senate.

Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM

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