Question for McCain: Is Obama a socialist?
posted at 1:30 pm on July 18, 2008 by Allahpundit
Now, now, only conservatives are allowed to be treated as ideologically indistinct from their fringe. The comments to this item at HuffPo are fun, though. “What’s wrong with socialism?”
The exchange comes at 2:35 as you’re counting down. I wouldn’t mind hearing a little more of the exchange about the Minutemen that comes at 3:10. Now that McCain’s “gotten the message” on border enforcement, what part of their mission, precisely, does he disagree with? Click the image to watch.
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The fact that McCain said “I don’t know” is pathetic.
Of course the HuffPoo kids think socialism/Marxism is ok. They never had to live in it, idiots!
Entelechy on July 18, 2008 at 1:37 PM
YES!
Love,
BR
Branch Rickey on July 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM
No, I believe him.
BO may or may not be a Socialist. Seems more likely he’s a Marxist.
KCSteve on July 18, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Socialist?
I always said that McCain was a liberal, Hillary a socialist, and Obamessiah a Marxist.
Hilts on July 18, 2008 at 1:39 PM
In case he needs examples, socialism = Marxism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism or any other -ism where the state controls everything.
Steve McCullough on July 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM
“A lot of ‘experts’ are driven to work in chauffeured limousines”.
Quite true.
amerpundit on July 18, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Sorry, too much of the “presumptive” nominees to watch this. Blood Pressure already inflating. Thanks for the suggestion though. La Raza can watch it.
Branch Rickey on July 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Obama’s voting record is to the left of the only declared socialist in the Senate? Doesn’t surprise me at all. And, yes, that does make him a socialist. Duh.
aero on July 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM
The fact that McCain is running for President of the United States, not president of HotAir, his response was completely understandable. In addition to conservatives, there are these people called “centrists” and “undecideds” in this country that don’t see the world as us conservatives do. If McCain answered that yes, Obama is a socialist, then the Obama camp, his surrogates and the entire media would use this as an example that he is senile. And they would succeed. You need to keep in mind the bigger picture. If that’s possible. McCain is.
It’s only pathetic to have an opinion based solely on ignorance of the situation.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 1:44 PM
To be even more precise, he seems to be a Gramscian Marxist.
aero on July 18, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Question for both McCain and Obama, “Do you see the bailouts by the fed and treasury as socialist? If not then what ijn the hell do you see them as?”
MB4 on July 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Maybe I have just never seen him under that kind of lighting before, but that thing on his cheek seems to be getting bigger.
Buddahpundit on July 18, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Absolutely Obama is a socialist and the GOP needs to hammer that theme alsong with the oil theme.
DerKrieger on July 18, 2008 at 1:52 PM
McCain walking the tightrope. *sigh*
I’ll leave it at that.
Limerick on July 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Did you catch the jibjab animation from yesterday? McCain wants you to forget his swollen left gland.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Dear Honorable Senators John McCain and Barak Obama,
Please tell me what you think about and would do as President about things like this.
MB4 on July 18, 2008 at 1:58 PM
How can I forget it? It’s mesmerizing. I could see nothing else. It would be like Dolly Parton asking me to forget about her….nevermind.
Buddahpundit on July 18, 2008 at 1:59 PM
I’m going with Ferris Bueller on this one:
Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism’s in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, “I don’t believe in The Beatles, I just believe in me.” Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I’d still have to bum rides off people.
bbz123 on July 18, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Well there you go.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 2:02 PM
McCain’s the socialist, Obama’s a Marxist.
highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Swollen glands?
fourstringfuror on July 18, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Does the Pope poop in the woods?
Does a bear wear a funny hat?
misterpeasea on July 18, 2008 at 2:07 PM
HuffPo comment:
misterpeasea on July 18, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Come on, highhopes, cut the hyperbole. McCain’s a right-leaning moderate, not a socialist by any means. He’s nowhere near as conservative as I’d like, and I wish we had a stronger candidate, but it does no one any good to deliberately mischaracterize McCain as a socialist, for pete’s sake.
We need swing voters to understand that Obama really is a socialist, and we’re not just calling him names for rhetorical effect. When you call McCain a socialist, too, it conveys the idea that it is just hyperbolic name-calling and not a serious charge at all since it’s clearly not true in his case. You are undermining the effort to educate the public about what socialism really is and who is really a socialist.
aero on July 18, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Pictures stuck in my mind now…
fossten on July 18, 2008 at 2:11 PM
John Lennon as a socialist. And it seems a solipsistic one at that, which you would think might be mutually exclusive, but isn’t for rich socialists – re: George Soros.
Oh, and Paul was the Walrus. Goo Goo Ga Joob.
kirkill on July 18, 2008 at 2:13 PM
John Lennon WAS…
kirkill on July 18, 2008 at 2:13 PM
McCain can’t stand up and say what we believe… the Right-wing base needs a president that will stand up unapologetic… like Bush and Reagan
Kaptain Amerika on July 18, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Norman Thomas, a U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate in the 1940s, said, “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day, America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
Star20 on July 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM
I’m only voting for him because he’s better than Obama, but come on. A Socialist? We’ve gone from him not being a conservative to being a liberal to being a socialist. The hyperbole just keeps growing.
amerpundit on July 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Hard to cast McCain as a right-leaning moderate when his positions include capping oil company profits, calls for Kyoto and more intrusion into personal lives in the name of global warming, and his tinkering with the Constitution.
I’m for less government, which means less taxes, which means greater personal freedom and accountablity. McCain’s for big government, higher taxes, and the nanny state. Hard for me not to see him as a socialist-lite candidate.
highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 2:17 PM
See my post to Aero at 2:17. A pure socialist may be somewhat hyperbolic but if you really listen to the kind of government McCain wants to create, he isn’t a free-market small government conservative. I’d probably put him just this side of FDR on the socialist scale.
highhopes on July 18, 2008 at 2:19 PM
That is the way it’s being done. They come up with all kinds of flowery nice sounding organizations – the Environment Defense League, Green Peace, Sierra Club…they are all designed for one thing, to move man into the city where they can go to their government mandated jobs on mass transit, and live with good thoughts that they are doing the right thing, even though they are no longer FREE. Ants in a colony. Lemmings off the cliff.
kirkill on July 18, 2008 at 2:20 PM
McCoot. Lesser of two weevils. Feh…
GeneSmith on July 18, 2008 at 2:20 PM
There is only one avowed socialist in Congress, Bernie Sanders. Obambi votes to the left of him. If Obambi is not a socialist, what is to the left of being a socialist?
volsense on July 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM
in other words mccain is pandering to the media…big surprise…the only people he does NOT pander to are conservatives.
cap and trade, yes mccain is a socialist.
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM
we’ve already gone so far down that road, I’m afraid the only out come is our collapse. we’ll become the USSA…an impoverished marxist third-world state following the lead of our ‘betters’ in europe.
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Maybe the fact is that McCain ‘doesn’t know’ that Obama is a socialist. Can that Be? NAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! He’s got to be ‘pandering.’ Sure thing, tex.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Bingo. That’s why they like to be called “liberals,” “progressives,” “Democrats,” anything but what they are. Socialists and Communists.
I can’t reiterate this enough. When Conservatives use the euphemisms desired by the Socialists and Communists, then they are doing the bidding of the Statists that will destroy this country.
Call them what they are. Not what they want to be called.
This country was built on incentive. The incentive to work hard and profit from same. Socialism destroys incentive. Socialism destroys productivity. Socialism destroys hope.
Socialism will destroy our country. And that is their goal.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Obama, greater of two evils. Yeah.
Maybe you haven’t heard, the republican primaries are over. McCain won. Its now down to McCain and Obama.
Feh,
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 2:27 PM
I doubt any of them have the intellectual clarity to definitively belong to any ideological branch.
They do all share fascistic tendencies, however, which is at the heart of my disgust with all of them.
LimeyGeek on July 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM
The definition sounds strangely familiar. Haven’t we heard such words from Obama?
Most glaring is the word change, which is the basis of his presidential run.
pocomoco on July 18, 2008 at 2:28 PM
bah, anyway, here’s a hint for ole mac. I didn’t get to chime in on the whole Planned Parenthood debacle.
HEALTH INSURANCE COVERS BIRTH CONTROL! PP was lying when they said it didn’t.
ThackerAgency on July 18, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Want to know why he couldn’t say “Yes”? This is why. Top story on Mark Halperin’s site just for a simple, “I Don’t Know”.
amerpundit on July 18, 2008 at 2:29 PM
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
abinitioadinfinitum on July 18, 2008 at 2:32 PM
mccain is clueless, just as you are.
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 2:37 PM
from the link: ‘Asked if Obama himself is a socialist, replies “I don’t know. All I know is his voting record, and that’s what people usually judge their elected representatives by.”
Well, According to Obama’s voting record he is the most liberal senator.
So they called him “liberal.” I think it’s nitpicking to add the label “socialist” because that’s not really that necessary.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Personally, after reading the full text of what McCain said, I think what some people missed was another of the elegant bitch slaps the man has delivered. Doubt it? Go back and read and comprehend what you just read.
irongrampa on July 18, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Now that’s a start.
Perhaps someone can come around next time and ask him if he believes that Obama is a national-socialist.
Niko on July 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Heh, so you and your friends like to say.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM
What kind of tool is doing the interview? I’m from Kansas City, and this is just plain embarrassing.
connertown on July 18, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Wow… if McCain could be this fired up and eloquent more often he will be in very good shape. I recommend that all of you whiners actually watch the video instead of regurgitating talking points.
DaveS on July 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM
The debates are coming up in a few months, DaveS.
McCain and Obama without his teleprompter.
It’s going to be good.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 2:51 PM
So he can play the victim card when receiving a sentence.
Sir Napsalot on July 18, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Oooops, wrong one. Scratch the 2:58 pm comment.
Sir Napsalot on July 18, 2008 at 2:59 PM
I never go to the left-wing wacko side of the web…interesting that you do…no surprise about that!!
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 3:02 PM
here’s how the ‘debate’ will go:
Obama: repubs are racist..
Mccain: I agree, and I’m not like the rest of them
Obama: I’m against drilling in ANWR
Mccain: I agree
Obama: lets close gitmo and no more ‘torture’
Mccain: I agree
Obama: global warming..need to regulate and save the world
Mccain: I agree
Obama: open the borders, and let ‘God’s children’ in.
Mccain: hey you’re stealing my lines, but thats OK, great minds think alike!!
some debate.
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 3:04 PM
“Socialist?” McCain’s answer was exactly correct. In the midnight of extremism, all cats are gray – so it’s possible for the Real True Conservatives to call Obama a socialist, McCain a socialist, me a socialist, every one of us whose preferred compromises occur anywhere to their left a socialist. (Never mind that from a perspective of intellectual consistency, virtually every single one of them favors socialistic policies and programs when they happen to serve what they consider to be paramount ends.)
From another perspective, every nation in the world combines socialism and its alternatives to greater and lesser extents. Under Obama, movement in a socialist direction would be accelerated, with the costs and administration of large sectors of the economy – health care most obviously, and energy – in danger of being more or less completely socialized, even if from yet another perspective others will argue that what he’s proposing isn’t true “socialized medicine.” Under McCain, the country would move somewhat less quickly in an overall socialist direction, and might even move in the opposite direction somewhat. By 2012 – if there is a 2012 – the economy and US public policy will still be mixed, whichever one is elected, and however successful he is getting his various programs enacted.
That’s really all there is to it except for the name-calling.
CK MacLeod on July 18, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Interesting. Your friends at HuffPo have 8,000 hits for ‘Clueless McCain’ but if one does a search on ‘Clueless Mccain’ and does not restrict it to your friends at HuffPoi the number of hits for ‘Clueless McCain’ is a million.
So over 99% of those who think that McCain is clueless are not at your friends HuffPo.
McCain needs to throw you under the bus.
MB4 on July 18, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Obama farther to the left(More liberal than a Socialist!)
LMAO!!!
Chakra Hammer on July 18, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Well you know what they say about water seeking it’s own level.
MB4 on July 18, 2008 at 3:15 PM
I thought McCain’s answer to the socialist question was very good. He pointed out that Obama’s voting record is to the left of the avowed socialist in the congress and then said that most people judge an elected official by their voting record.
If he connected the dots and said “yes, i think Obama’s a socialist” it would look like an attack and be written off completely….
Priscilla on July 18, 2008 at 3:15 PM
true, thats why the world is such a mess.
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Obama: No drilling Anywhere! No Nuclear power
Mccain: we can drill in an environmentally friendly way off-shore in the OCS and in other areas also we need to look toward more Nuclear Power generation, clean Coal and more refineries that the Democrats have been blocking for decades…
Chakra Hammer on July 18, 2008 at 3:16 PM
thats right, we can’t do, or say, anything the ObaMAHDI would not like.
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM
don’t be surprised if obama has a similar ‘conversion’ by election day.
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Don’t tell me: That McInsane is a traitor! And we should let Obama win, it won’t be that bad anyway. And McAmnesty wants all the mexicans to destroy America, and Obama will secure the borders. McSenile is going to die, lets not elect him, and vote for Bob Barr, he’s got a chance of winning?
Is that what you say?
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 3:18 PM
I’ve been trying to get traction for the term “neo-comm” to describe young Obama voters.
Probably not the best in everyday speech because it sounds too similar to “neo-con”, but typed out it’s easily distinguished.
ynot4tony2 on July 18, 2008 at 3:29 PM
In addition to Obama’s voting record reflecting his socialistic views, McCain should have added the internationalist socialists and terrorists who have publicly supported Obama. This would keep McCain out of the “I think he is a socialist” and take the high road by listing the socialists who have endorsed Obama. He votes like a socialist and socialists support him, what do you think?
jerseyman on July 18, 2008 at 3:33 PM
This either makes him ignorant of basic ideological beliefs, or a coward. I don’t think he’s that ignorant, since he clearly describes Obama’s voting record to be to the left of an avowed Socialist. But he can’t even bring himself to say the words. Is this the example of leadership and character we can expect from him in office?
I really want to believe that McCain has changed. I really want to be able to vote FOR the better candidate, instead of AGAINST the worst candidate. I really, REALLY want to look forward to election day!
For Gods sakes McCain, show some backbone. We would follow if you would just demonstrate real conservative values… and just lead. But you choose to squander every opportunity to speak truth. And instead, you prefer to chastise those of us who want to return our country to greatness. [sigh]
dominigan on July 18, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Yes Mr. “straight talk” he is a socialist . . . or more definitively, a Marxist. It’s time to stop pulling punches on this dolt. Likewise, we need to start calling his supporters by more definitive names like; communists, leftists and socialists. People had better wake up before we are ruled by Obama’s radical left wing regime.
rplat on July 18, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Well no, that would seem to be what you just said, unless someone else is commenting under your very misfitting handle. Frankly, I think that someone must be spiking your McKoolaid with LSD. I think that Juan Hernandez needs to recall you back to the McKoolaid factory and have a full workup done on you.
MB4 on July 18, 2008 at 3:45 PM
As I said earlier, McCain is running for president of the united states. Not the president of the conservatives of hotair. In addition to us, there is an entire country out there that would turn him off when they heard that McCain called Obama a socialist. And then Obama could use this to make the case that McCain is attacking him.
For the love of god, please try to see the bigger picture.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Michael Novak noted in his 1982 book “The Spirit of Democratic Capitalism” that many who have lived under socialism would find it hard to believe “that other human beings would fall for the same bundle of lies, half-truths, and distortions. Sadly, however, illusion is often sweeter to human taste than reality. The last Marxist in the world will probably be an American nun.”
Star20 on July 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM
I understand why a person wouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth when promised “entitlements” or income redistribution or care, whether it is called liberalism, progressivism, socialism, Marxism, communism or change. We at least should know whether it is a gift horse or a Trojan horse — or a combination of the two.
Star20 on July 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM
actually, I have read hotair, and you have said these sorts of things and more is the past. For you, lying about McCain and slandering him is just like breathing.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 3:48 PM
if the turban fits…
elduende on July 18, 2008 at 3:57 PM
get a clue, anything that mccain could say about obama, other than the slimey pandering that he did at the NAALCP, is an attack
looks like Jesse got to him a while ago.
right4life on July 18, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Economically, Obama’s very flexible, but sociologically he definitely a Marxist. His “bitter” comment showed he think the economic conditions shape the public’s social perspectives.
seanhackbarth on July 18, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Good then Nader will steal his votes.
Chakra Hammer on July 18, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Yes. Next question.
CP on July 18, 2008 at 4:22 PM
McCain really needs to take advantage of stuff like this.
He should have gone into a definition of Socialism, and Marxism, and said, yep, sure sounds like a commie bastage to me!
cntrlfrk on July 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM
How could McAmnesty agree with this question. He endorsed him at the NAACP convention earlier this week!
sabbott on July 18, 2008 at 5:01 PM
That “entire country” that you speak of that McAmnesty is trying to court are actually DEMOCRATS! Possibly he could grow a pair, actually tell the truth rather than pander and try to reach REPUBLICANS!!!
sabbott on July 18, 2008 at 5:04 PM
No. The country is comprised of republicans, democrats, independents and ‘undecided.’
It’s these undecided people that sometimes decide elections, after the republicans have voted for their candidate, and the democrats have voted for theirs.
He reached out to republicans already. And the republican primary voters who cast the most votes for him in the primaries and he is now going to be our candidates.
You want him to be a very strong conservative. So do I. But the reality is that he ran as a moderate conservative and he won.
It’s now time to pick one of two candidates. And either Obama or McCain will be the next president.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 5:12 PM
I went back and read some of the later HuffPo comments on this story and I’m frankly appalled. These are not ignorant or brain-washed pseudo-leftists who support nationalizing an industry here or socializing a program there because it sounds all nifty and stuff. They are out-and-out socialists who know exactly what it means and have been working toward a socialist America for decades. They are angry at Reagan for stalling the advance of socialism and admit freely that they hope Obama is the socialist they think he is because they’re confident he can finally finish the job they’ve been working on since FDR. One commenter asked how socialism can be deemed to be a “bad word” or “against American ideals” when it’s “all about taking care of people.” They are apparently living in a parallel universe in which the founders of this country, the framers of our Constitution, were not in fact rugged individualists who were terrified of an overly-powerful central government and put every protection in place that they could possibly think of to prevent what these socialist goons want to bring about — a people completely reliant on an all-powerful central government. SOCIALISM IS AS ANTI-AMERICAN AS YOU CAN GET! That’s why most of us regard it as a “scary word,” you leftist freaks! They are a scary, scary bunch over there at HuffPo. Seriously.
aero on July 18, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Oh, and many HuffPo commenters also had a good chuckle over the idea that we Republicans seem to have a problem with socialism when we are “enjoying the fruits” of socialism every day when we send our kids to socialized schools, collect our social security benefits, rely on Medicare for our health care costs, ride public transportation, etc, etc. As if we’re terrible hypocrites for opposing socialism while using socialist programs, or we’re ignoramuses who don’t even realize these things are socialist in nature. Haven’t they heard us complaining about these horribly expensive and poorly run socialist programs for decades?! That’s the whole point of what we’re about, HuffPo dummies! We don’t want to use these inefficient and awful government programs, but the government often gives us little or no choice in the matter. That’s because it’s socialism, and that’s why we don’t like it! We certainly don’t want any more of it!
aero on July 18, 2008 at 5:37 PM
I just spent a half hour on the cell with my best friend. He is a pilot for one of the 9/11 airlines. Full on moonbat(I hate to say). Unions, collective action, speculator intoxication. Intoxication….that is the only way to describe it. I try, and try, to explain to him what happens when a drunk driver gets behind the wheel. ‘You’re programmed’ is the response. There is nuth’n, nuth’n that will get the wax out of his ears.
Limerick on July 18, 2008 at 5:38 PM
There have been many conservative voices to describe what you said. (and thanks, by the way for going there and spending the time reading what these people actually think, I’d rather not go to that site and give them a ‘click’ from my visit that adds to their revenue.)
Rush has always talked about the founding fathers and the rugged individualism,(so your comments are familiar) and if I recall correctly, Rush might have mentioned that it’s the left leaning education system, the people who write textbooks, the educators that are far more liberal than conservative who have contributed to the appalling state of our nation’s consciousness when it comes to the truth about our country;s founding, and what socialism is actually about. In some school systems, you have teachers explaining that the founding fathers were ‘rich white people’ who destroyed as they conquered. This is all their interpretation through their ideologies and how they want the students to think.
As well as after they leave our education system, they are exposed to and seek out liberal news opinion, media, entertainment and many people before have commented on the different examples such as the daily show, etc.
Besides this kind of indoctrination, people like Michael Savage calls liberalism a mental disorder. How else can you explain the lengths and depths that so many liberals descend while trashing this country and – as you say – it’s like they are living in a parallel universe where up is down, good is bad.
They are indeed, scary. And they are something like 30 to 50 percent of the country.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 5:40 PM
I’ve never liked McCain. As a fellow military man, I appreciate his great sacrifice and heroism, but he’s still unfit for political service, and should’ve been drummed out, decades ago. This presidential run, just like the last one, is inexcusable. I don’t know who’s worse: him, or Obama.
Virus-X on July 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Comrade B.H. Obama is a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist (as is Comrade H.R. Clinton). The definition gets a little muddy when considering WHAT TYPE of Marxist. Comrade Obama, through the agency of William Ayers, seems to be more Maoist. Comrade Clinton, with her reliance upon large bureaucracies, seems more Stalinist.
The real problem is the Democrat Party should be labeled Social-Democrat for its continuing run to the Left side of the Political spectrum.
SeniorD on July 18, 2008 at 5:55 PM
I do.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 5:59 PM
I think McCain might actually benefit from just letting loose and exposing Obama and his wife for what they are.
I know he wants to play nice to appeal to independents, but I think many people are intimidated into voting for Barry, yet are looking for a good reason to just take a reasonable stand and vote against him.
Grafted on July 18, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Umm, in what way do you think he should’ve been “drummed out” Mr. Military Man?
Priscilla on July 18, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Odd then that you have never been able to demolish my “lies” about him. You just try to slander me. Like by insinuating that I must have got a dishonorable discharge on another thread when I have two honorable discharges which is probably two more honorable discharges than you have or ever will have.
You are such a flea.
You are indeed Mr. Tap_tap_tap McFlea, such an incompetent McCain supporter that I don’t know how you can ever get any McCain points at all, unless they just regard you as a charity case.
MB4 on July 18, 2008 at 6:56 PM
About the Minute Men, wasn’t there some problem with direct mail and accusations of fraud or something?
Terrye on July 18, 2008 at 7:06 PM
sabbot:
That is ridiculous. The fastest growing group in this country is Independents and if they heard McCain call Obama a socialist they would just think it was demagoguery. I think Obama is way to far to the left, but hell about half the people in the country seem willing to consider voting for him and most of them probably do not consider the man a socialist.
The term has been used so much for so many people that it has lost some of its meaning. Kind of like liberal, it just does not have the same effect it used to.
Terrye on July 18, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Hey look – the troll is still here. That’s too bad. I thought he would have been dealt with already.
wise_man on July 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM
I’m sure he’d know, being one himself.
RMC1618 on July 18, 2008 at 8:56 PM
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