Consensus collapses: APS re-opens debate on global warming; Update: APS “reaffirms” stance

posted at 8:34 am on July 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The American Physical Society had been a proponent of the “consensus” on anthropogenic global warming/climate change — until now.  While the main organization has not addressed its position — yet — a major unit within APS has declared global warming unproven and that the IPCC’s conclusions unsupportable.  The APS will re-open the debate on global warming with a new paper accusing the IPCC of deliberate obfuscation (via Memeorandum):

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming.  The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science.  The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming “incontrovertible.” …

The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity — the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause — has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling.   A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.

Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton’s paper an “expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and “extensive errors”

In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, “I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC’s 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central ‘climate sensitivity’ question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method.”

The paper points out that the warming seen on Earth during the period under question matched the warming seen on other planets in the solar system, a point repeatedly made by skeptics over the last few years.  Mars, Jupiter, Pluto, and one of Neptune’s moons experienced the same climate shift at the same time, and Monckton assigns the blame not to SUVs or belching smokestacks, but to the only energy source all have in common: the sun.  Solar activity during the past seventy years, Monckton states, exceeded what had been seen for 11,000 years, which led to the warming activity here on Earth and elsewhere in the system.

At the same time, one of the authors who built Australia’s compliance protocol for the Kyoto Accords admits what most of us suspected all along — that the scientific community jumped to conclusions:

When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty good: CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the old ice core data, no other suspects.

The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were certain when it appeared we needed to act quickly? Soon government and the scientific community were working together and lots of science research jobs were created. We scientists had political support, the ear of government, big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well, I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet.

But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously said, “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?”

In other words, the science community had reasons to jump to conclusions.  They got grants, they got attention, and they started getting all the hot chicks — well, at least they got money and felt important.  Those are powerful motivators to reach conclusions that keep money and attention flowing, instead of concluding that they aren’t terribly necessary at all.

And governments had powerful motivations to believe them.  It gave politicians reasons to impose greater control on energy production, and to increase the power of the state.  That creates winners and losers, which begets lots of lobbyists and campaign contributions.

Unfortunately, the recent data argues against anthropogenic climate change, and in fact its advocates never really proved anything.  For one thing, as David Evans points out, the “greenhouse” model should have produced an atmospheric hot spot — which no one has ever found, despite years of looking.  Despite ever-increasing production of carbon, the last seven years have produced a cooling trend.  And more recent data shows that carbon increases at the end of warming cycles, not at the beginning, which demolishes the cause-and-effect assumptions for climate-change advocates.

In short, the Earth is not in danger of “getting a fever”, and the global-warming theory has been shown to be a Chicken Little scenario with no real scientific basis.  Even those who helped lead the hysteria now have serious doubts.  It’s time to stop wrapping public policy around a fraud.

Update: As I noted in the first paragraph, the APS has not changed its position on anthropogenic global warming, at least not yet.  This effort comes from a subgroup within APS.  They “reaffirm[ed]” their November 2007 position, but momentum is shifting away from them, and the debate will occur regardless.  (via Rick Moran and Jonah Goldberg)

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It won’t make one damn bit of difference. The folks in the global warming religion will believe regardless of what is shown to be false.

The brainwashed do not know they are brainwashed.

RobertInAustin on July 18, 2008 at 8:40 AM

RobertInAustin on July 18, 2008 at 8:40 AM

And it’s for sure that the media won’t give this widespread coverage! This bit of fact is against their agenda.

Oink on July 18, 2008 at 8:41 AM

Mars, Jupiter, Pluto, and one of Neptune’s moons experienced the same climate shift at the same time, and Monckton assigns the blame not to SUVs or belching smokestacks, but to the only energy source all have in common: the sun.

So it’s the sun making Harry Reid sick?

flyfisher on July 18, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Isn’t this a little bit like saying the Holocaust is unproven?

Nothing but a bunch of Global Warming Deniers.

Dorvillian on July 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM

Ed,

This talk is not helping Michelle Obama’s children :-D

Gaurav on July 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM

Good thing I bought a car instead of carbon credits.

Live free, or die hard.

MB007 on July 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM

You are being overly nice for never mentioning those asinine computer models that many used as ‘proof’ that climate change would run out of control and kill us all. That represented the absolutely weakest part of the Anthropogenic Catastrophic Global Warming crowd, though it was the most important piece of ‘evidence’ they had. This would have been laughable had it not been so serious. But … this is what happens in soft sciences.

progressoverpeace on July 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM

Put Monckton’s paper at the top of McCain’s reading list!

T J Green on July 18, 2008 at 8:44 AM

I think that Al Gore and GWB might be linked cosmically.

After 9/11, Bush’s approval ratings were at record highs and the US had world support. Meanwhile, Gore was getting fat, growing a beard, and generally not doing anything.

Then we went into Iraq, things didn’t go so well, Bush’s support dropped. Al Gore proceeded to win a Nobel Prize and an Oscar.

Now, the wheels are (hopefully) falling off of the certainties that Gore promotes so strongly about where global warming comes from, while the war in Iraq is really taking a sharp turn for the better.
I’m not saying Bush’s popularity will start going up, or that the media will ever fall out of love with Gore, but the facts are switching sides again.

Its like they’re ying and yang.

I’ve been fairly certain about the sun’s impact for a long time. I was always skeptical because the climate projections that didn’t include clouds. I mean, take a look at Earth from space. You see water, land and clouds. The idea that they would think the impact of clouds would be minimal is ridiculous. There’s science that relates the sun’s intensity to the formation of clouds.

jimmy the notable on July 18, 2008 at 8:46 AM

And this blog’s beloved Republican Presidential candidate is ready to jump HEAD-FIRST into this quackery with boat-loads of your money! Big-brained Nanny government to the rescue of us Luddites out here as we cling to our guns and religion.

But curse me for not voting for McCain. People who vote for Barr, like me, are not going to elect Obama. McCain and people who are willing to continue to live with the battered wives syndrome and accept that the lesser of two evils is our best option are the ones who will elect Obama. If everyone voted for the candidate who best represented their principles, Barr would get more votes than McCain.

King of the Britons on July 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM

So it’s the sun making Harry Reid sick?

flyfisher on July 18, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Well, yes. If you stay out in it too long, you start halllucinating about how everything is gonna kill ya..

Wethal on July 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Did anyone hear Neal Bortz in London at a panel discussion. He stated that global warming was a fraud. The British about had a stroke.

RobertInAustin on July 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Yeah, it’s the sun stupid.

surrounded on July 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM

King of the Britons on July 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM

I don’t know what blog you read, but if I had to choose one adjective that the people here would use to describe McCain, it would not be “beloved.”

jimmy the notable on July 18, 2008 at 8:53 AM

King of the Britons on July 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Thanks for being on topic, your majesty.

Queen: How was work today, dear?

King: …curse me for not voting for McCain. People who vote for Barr, like me, are not going to elect Obama. McCain and people who are willing to continue to live with the battered wives syndrome and accept that the lesser of two evils is our best option are the ones who will elect Obama. If everyone voted for the candidate who best represented their principles, Barr would get more votes than McCain.

Akzed on July 18, 2008 at 8:56 AM

jimmy the notable on July 18, 2008 at 8:53 AM

Okay, McCain isn’t beloved here but anyone who won’t vote for him is excoriated.

King of the Britons on July 18, 2008 at 8:56 AM

Are they actually trying to point to the sun as a possible cause of heat on the earth?!
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! No one is going to believe that the sun, of all things, might be a source of the warming of the planets in our solar system!
Yeah, just another distraction technique by the global warming deniers! Lets all point to that big ball of flame in the sky and maybe no one will notice we’re not driving a hybrid!

JellyToast on July 18, 2008 at 8:57 AM

Those that can DO. Those that can’t, teach. Those that can’t teach get government research grants.

Firmworm on July 18, 2008 at 8:58 AM

Hmmm, does this mean Al Gore will have to give back his Nobel Prize???

doriangrey on July 18, 2008 at 8:58 AM

“We scientists had political support, the ear of government, big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well, I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet.”

Give a politician the means, motive, and opportunity and a nobel prize awaits any fool that can “feed” the masses. Add an obtuse media and the recipe is complete.

Rovin on July 18, 2008 at 8:58 AM

Akzed on July 18, 2008 at 8:56 AM

No problem. Anything that I can do to help you Akzed – you just let me know.

King of the Britons on July 18, 2008 at 9:00 AM

I like Bob Barr for the most part, I disagree with him on foreign policy, but I do like the guy. I enjoyed the interview he did with Glenn Beck, and I thought Beck nailed him on foreign policy and exposed with middle earth/narnia ideal Barr has regarding it.

I like the Libterians, but that party is so over run with nut jobs that the party will have to die and be reborn before it has any hope of being taken serious enough.

RobertInAustin on July 18, 2008 at 9:00 AM

The brainwashed do not know they are brainwashed.

RobertInAustin on July 18, 2008 at 8:40 AM

..or in this case just a light rinse.

Alden Pyle on July 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM

Those 50,000 physicists are just like Holocaust Deniers!

Lehosh on July 18, 2008 at 9:04 AM

So it’s the sun making Harry Reid sick?

flyfisher on July 18, 2008 at 8:42 AM

If he tans with the same difficulty as myself, with the same need for SPF-15 or higher, what you suggest is quite possible.

Did anyone hear Neal Bortz in London at a panel discussion. He stated that global warming was a fraud. The British about had a stroke.

RobertInAustin on July 18, 2008 at 8:52 AM

No, but I would have loved to have watched Bortz’s speech. Guess I’ll have to search YouTube (assuming it was even put there, and hasn’t yet been removed as being offensive).

Bigfoot on July 18, 2008 at 9:04 AM

After retiring from a 45+ year career as an earth scientist I have had to sit and watch the AGW debacle unfold. I have been particularly insulted by those who called AGW a science, called themselves scientists, and claimed a consensus among their peers.

Be very suspicious when one who claims to be a scientist argues from the strength of a claimed consensus, instead of from the strength of the data.

As I thought, and claimed, all along, we have been had by a herd of scientific and political whores. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yoop on July 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM

Oh, and…

Unfortunately, the recent data argues against anthropomorphic climate change, and in fact its advocates never really proved anything.

Anthropogenic? Or is it irony…

Lehosh on July 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM

the global warming Jihadists are as Orwell said:

“One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.”

right4life on July 18, 2008 at 9:07 AM

Writing on Iphone, can’t quote.

Bigfoot, go to the US embassy in London website and they will have the video of the panel discussion you can watch.

RobertInAustin on July 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Al “I’m not a moron” Gore is a phony. Both he and his wife have their piggish snouts deep in the trough of global hot air-500 million to date in eight years, after taxes. Putting aside the bogus carbon credit scam, their personal lifestyles reveal everything you need to know.

If we pretend, as the Gore’s do, that global warming is real and apocalyptic a true believer would modify their behavior to lead by example. If our personal carbon footprints matter, planting a tree is bullshit. What in fact is helpful is to Gandhify your living choices. The Gore’s like the majority of headlining tree huggers are charlatans.

From their mansions, G5′s and idling Land rovers by the herd, they are useless chafe in the world. I’m embarrassed for my friends who believe in such folks. I take solace in knowing that Mark Twain and Will Rogers were equally stumped by the charm of these snake oil salesmen.

My only hope at this point is that the UFO that dropped this lard on us, comes and picks them up. The other possibility is a major recession, the likes of which we have not had in decades. Painful yes, but cheap in the long run as such an event would put to rest these idiotic notions dreamt by people who have too much time and money on their hands. As Al says, what’s a few trillion amongst friends.

The best thing we could do now is open up ANWR, if for nothing else–spite!

patrick neid on July 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM

It’s hilarious reading this post with Al Gore’s “WE” ad right next to it.

jgapinoy on July 18, 2008 at 9:09 AM

I doubt the narrative will change much. It was never really about science anyway, but just an attempt to centralize power. Facts just get in the way at this point…

Asher on July 18, 2008 at 9:10 AM

It’s time to stop wrapping public policy around a fraud.

Right………

It’s not going to happen. Global Warming is a fact and the only cure is to put a socialistic government in place. GW is here to stay for at least another 20 years or until we collapse into a socialistic/communistic nightmare. There have been far to many people elevated to great wealth and power for this to end quickly if at all. Global Warming may go down as the greatest scam ever and I’m ashamed I live in an age of great stupidity. We have more people educated and with collage degrees then any other time in history but to use the words of Dennis Prager, “Only collage could make a person this stupid”

jmarcure on July 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Anthropogenic? Or is it irony…

Lehosh on July 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM

I kept thinking about that Hamas rabbit video that AP posted the other day … ;-) Thanks, fixed.

Ed Morrissey on July 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM

They got grants, they got attention, and they started getting all the hot chicks

Of course the chicks were hot…..because of global warming.

txsurveyor on July 18, 2008 at 9:15 AM

Mars, Jupiter, Pluto, and one of Neptune’s moons experienced the same climate shift at the same time, and Monckton assigns the blame not to SUVs or belching smokestacks, but to the only energy source all have in common: the sun.

I’m feeling a little envious of Mars, Jupiter and Pluto. Not only do they not have to put up with SUV’s and belching smokestacks, but they also do not have to put up with bloated fools like Al Gore trying to use crappy, unproven “science” to make himself into an overlord on their planets (not to mention making himself filthy rich in the process).

AZCoyote on July 18, 2008 at 9:16 AM

“There is a sucker born every minute.” P.T. Barnum

JellyToast on July 18, 2008 at 9:16 AM

http://www.americansforprosperity.org/index.php?id=6070
http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/07/responding-to-al-gores-clean-energy.html

People are catching on to the global warming hoax. Facts do get in the way of bullshit when we have truth detectors that are willing to spend their time fighting off bullshit week after week, month after month, year after year.

Truth be told: Al Gore is a scam artist, and those who blindly followed his scent are nothing more than sheep.

Keemo on July 18, 2008 at 9:18 AM

“There is a sucker born every minute.” P.T. Barnum

JellyToast on July 18, 2008 at 9:16 AM

The consensus attributes that quote to him but the facts say otherwise.

jmarcure on July 18, 2008 at 9:20 AM

Politicians react at glacial speed (unless action can line their pockets) so given that those great physicists Obambi and McShame support the carbon credit ponzi scheme I see no hope for any change in policy soon and in the likely event of a Dhimmi Tsunami in November the con game will run full speed for as long as possible in order to help pay ‘reparations’ and install socialized medicine.

Annar on July 18, 2008 at 9:23 AM

As crazy as the global warmning people are in this country, they can’t hold a candle to the Australians. That country produces a tiny percentage of greenhouse gas but they think they can save the world if they cut back.

MamaAJ on July 18, 2008 at 9:28 AM

“I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC’s 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central ‘climate sensitivity’ question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method.”

Wherein reality meets with the default position of many conservatives –

- that scientists have no absolute moral authority, and are every bit as subject to the human condition as salesmen and bricklayers, and

- that anyone claiming unique insight into environmental havoc played upon the earth by humans and requiring a retreat to horse and buggy is a) a fool, and b) to be regarded with enormous skepticism.

Jaibones on July 18, 2008 at 9:29 AM

That sound you hear is Al Gore’s Gravy Train leaving the station.

N. O'Brain on July 18, 2008 at 9:36 AM

The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were certain had the facts when it appeared we needed to act quickly to secure government grants by causing a frenzy?

There, fixed it.

Also, I bet Gore is beside himself this morning. He’s warming up the Suburban right now to go to the airport and fly in his private jet to hold a press conference to vilify those who doubt.

BacaDog on July 18, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Just for safety’s sake, Monckton should probably keep his cat indoors for a few years.

whitetop on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

the science community had reasons to jump to conclusions. They got grants, they got attention, and they started getting all the hot chicks

You could say the same thing about those fools who blame lung cancer on smoking and just about any other field of research. So it’s pretty hollow argument and lame way to attack science you find objectionable.

Despite ever-increasing production of carbon, the last seven years have produced a cooling trend. And more recent data shows that carbon increases at the end of warming cycles, not at the beginning

Despite this ‘warming trend’, many the world’s largest ice shelfs are melting at a record pace:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25638651/

And Arctic ice is melting so quickly that a sea lane has opened through the Northwest Passage. Funny thing, these warming trends.

Are you claiming that the recent data includes a period of comparable increases in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere? Of course it doesn’t.

It is important to remember that climate science is not a public debate carried out on the opinion pages of newspapers (and blogs). What we know about global warming comes from thousands of scientists pouring over countless data sets, conducting experiments to figure out how the climate works and scrutinizing every aspect of each other’s work.

bayam on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

It’s good to see scientists returning to science. My faith is partly restored. Just heard Al on NPR yesterday, and I don’t think this will change his approach one bit. The real scientists were just props, and will be denounced when they get in the way.

ElectricPhase on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Unfortunately, the recent data argues against anthropomorphic climate change…

Anthropogenic? Or is it irony…

Lehosh on July 18, 2008 at 9:06 AM

I liked it better the first way. Gaia is sick; you’re murdering her! And asking for proof of that is like denying the Holocaust.

That’s about as “scientific” as the moonbats ever get.

logis on July 18, 2008 at 9:39 AM

It’s nice to see scientific and personal integrity trumping ideology for a change.

Bob's Kid on July 18, 2008 at 9:39 AM

bayam on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Here comes the sheep…

Keemo on July 18, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Something the Global Warming Climate Change folks need to post over their beakers and bunsen burners:

Hysteria Is Unscientific.

(Guess they forgot to teach that little detail during their History of Science and/or ethics courses.)

profitsbeard on July 18, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Ed,

Did you notice this teeny weeny update at the end of the paper?:

Update 7/17/2008: After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large.

And it’s not as if Lord Monckton hasn’t been telling us that the alarmists are lying Stalinists all along.

But hey, I have an idea! If they don’t apologize for their grave, Orwellian errors, let’s arrest Rockefeller and Snowe for Crimes Against Humanity.

Buy Danish on July 18, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Can I burp now when I drink beer or pop?

Green Lib: Don’t be stupid! They should stop making these polluting beverages.

silverfox on July 18, 2008 at 9:41 AM

The consensus attributes that quote to him but the facts say otherwise.
jmarcure on July 18, 2008 at 9:20 AM

If he didn’t say it, shame on him.

Akzed on July 18, 2008 at 9:41 AM

they started getting all the hot chicks

For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Paul

I believe that Paul, in his “first letter to Timothy” touches on this point discretely, without actually saying “and leads to this notion of ‘getting all the hot chicks’”, but we know what he meant.

Science nerds suddenly attracting Pamela Anderson types and getting invited to Georgetown cocktail parties…it was bound to end up like this.

Jaibones on July 18, 2008 at 9:42 AM

told ya so

:) someone had to say it…

trailortrash on July 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM

I think that Al Gore and GWB might be linked cosmically.

I have long suspected that AGW is Gore’s way to get back at Bush for 2000. I haven’t read anything to give me reason to doubt it, either.

Bob's Kid on July 18, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Buy Danish on July 18, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Um…sweetie? Do we have to refer to Monckton as “Lord”?

Jaibones on July 18, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Just for safety’s sake, Monckton should probably keep his cat indoors for a few years.

whitetop on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

I believe we have a winner.

Jaibones on July 18, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Oh…Ooo…!

“Everyone talks about the melting of the glaciers but having day after day of rain in Antarctica is a totally new phenomenon. As a result, penguins are literally freezing to death.”

J_Gocht on July 18, 2008 at 9:46 AM

With the AGW skeptic petition now at 31,000+ and the IPCC’s credibility in serious jeopardy, the wheels are starting to come off the juggernaut of the greatest scam in history.

whitetop on July 18, 2008 at 9:46 AM

The other possibility is a major recession, the likes of which we have not had in decades. Painful yes, but cheap in the long run as such an event would put to rest these idiotic notions dreamt by people who have too much time and money on their hands. As Al says, what’s a few trillion amongst friends.

The best thing we could do now is open up ANWR, if for nothing else–spite!

patrick neid on July 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM

I’ll take it from there. It’s possible that we are in for an early and cold Winter over parts of the country. The Sun is still very quiet (no Sunspots), the Pacific Decadal Oscillation may have flipped back to a cold phase and we’ve already seen cooling in the last year that wiped out all the warming since the 1980′s.

Combine that with high fuel prices and this Winter we could possibly see poor people on the verge of freezing to death, or starving to death so they don’t freeze to death. The only thing good that could come from this would be an end to the political clout that Global Warming holds now. Plus, if we aren’t digging up every piece of coal by then, the American people will demand it.

Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less and don’t freeze to death this upcoming cold Winter.

Ordinary1 on July 18, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Halp uz we ar stuk hare n uh glowball wahmun kawnsinsuz kawnclusun an Awl Gawr won le uz owt

Speakup on July 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM

You could say the same thing about those fools who blame lung cancer on smoking and just about any other field of research. So it’s pretty hollow argument and lame way to attack science you find objectionable.

bayam on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

I won’t bother to address your conclusions about Global Warming, except to say that the difference is that our side does not resort to this when there are differences of opinion:

In what The Charleston (WV) Daily Mail has called “an intemperate attempt to squelch debate with a hint of political consequences,” Senators Rockefeller and Snowe released an open letter dated October 30 to ExxonMobil CEO, Rex Tillerson, insisting he end Exxon’s funding of a “climate change denial campaign.” The Senators labeled scientists with whom they disagree as “deniers,” a term usually directed at “Holocaust deniers.” Some voices on the political left have called for the arrest and prosecution of skeptical scientists. The British Foreign Secretary has said skeptics should be treated like advocates of Islamic terror and must be denied access to the media.

And of course, if you’re really up on the news you’d know that James Hansen made a similar demand recently.

Jaibones on July 18, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Did you forget a smiley face?

Buy Danish on July 18, 2008 at 9:53 AM

We have been accused of being deniers, and threatened with Nuremburg-like trials. How did this happen? It happened because we, as a civilization, have lost our nerve, and our belief in the common man’s ability to reason.

Our eyes glaze over at the math, at the chemistry, and we feel incompetent, unentitled, to form an opinion on scientific matters. This is a climate that leftist ideologues are very comfortable working in. They want everyone to be nihilists. They encourage epistemological skepticism as a default position (“how do I know anything, couldn’t it all be an illusion?”). They imperium want frightened, guilty subjects who are too timid to stand up and say “wait, your theory doesn’t make any sense.”

An ideologue will try to beat you down, saying the science is “settled” or “it’s too complex to understand.” This is nonsense, and more importantly, it’s a moral outrage. It is a real assault on reason.

We must regain our confidence in our own rationality, our understanding, our ability to know what is real, what is true and false. It has been beaten out of us.

The fact is, you are competent to understand, and the burden is on the ideologues to explain what they mean clearly, and without obfuscation. Don’t let them dance around you. A thoughtful physicist would be able to teach you Einstein’s special theory of relativity with a white board, some markers, a little high school algebra, and patience on your part.

I think it’s a crisis of our time. We absolutely have to regain our nerve, and our confidence in our own ability to know true from false.

jeff_from_mpls on July 18, 2008 at 9:53 AM

Good news! Now let’s get the word out before it’s too late, because the left will try to sweep it under the rug.

petefrt on July 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Will Gore finally be indicted for fraud?

Johan Klaus on July 18, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Do any bloggers ever check primary sources?

There was no reversal

Click and read.

corona on July 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM

bayam on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

so, the previous much warmer cycles during the middle ages were caused by……maybe the sun? And maybe Greendland was actually….gasp….green?

Johan Klaus on July 18, 2008 at 10:14 AM

MamaAJ on July 18, 2008 at 9:28 AM

Not Australians at large, only the morons who voted the current idiot in.

OldEnglish on July 18, 2008 at 10:16 AM

“I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC’s 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central ‘climate sensitivity’ question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method.”

Sounds like Hansen with his temperature readings — taxpayer funded work that he treats like his personal property and people who want to check his output have to reverse engineer his method. And no surprise, when someone does, they find out his output is wrong.

Why aren’t people like Hansen fired??? They should be.

Dusty on July 18, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Despite this ‘warming trend’, many the world’s largest ice shelfs are melting at a record pace:

And just as many aren’t, and many are even growing.

And Arctic ice is melting so quickly that a sea lane has opened through the Northwest Passage. Funny thing, these warming trends.

Like this has never happened before? The passage opens, or nearly opens almost every year. As to the arctic ice melting, even NASA has admitted that last years melting was due to changes in water and wind circulation. Additionally, the ice has grown back since then. Let’s not forget that Antartica continues to set records for the amount of ice coverage.

Are you claiming that the recent data includes a period of comparable increases in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere? Of course it doesn’t.

Since CO2 is a minor, unimportant gas, this doesn’t matter. What does matter is that the historical record shows many periods that were as warm and warmer, without the presence of CO2. The record shows warm periods just about once every thousand years. The Minoan warm period was 3000 years ago. The Roman warm period was 2000 years ago. The mideival warm period was 1000 years ago. There was also another warm spell about 4000 years ago. So it’s about time for another.

MarkTheGreat on July 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM

J_Gocht on July 18, 2008 at 9:46 AM

There’s been freaky deaky weather since the beginning of time. What’s at issue is man’s role in “climate change” and for some reason the Left just love to blame man first, just as they love to blame America first.
Why, one might conclude that all this self-loathing is a sign of mental illness.

By the way, if you’re longing for a chilly spot to spend the summer, might I suggest a trip to Southport, England.

Buy Danish on July 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM

By the way, if you’re longing for a chilly spot to spend the summer, might I suggest a trip to Southport, England.

Buy Danish on July 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Or perhaps Anchorage, Alaska

Ordinary1 on July 18, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Why, one might conclude that all this self-loathing is a sign of mental illness.

Buy Danish on July 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Not so much. It’s just the result of Western culture (which uses guilt as a control mechanism) running into people who are unable to control their guilty feelings – like kids who go to horror movies and can’t sleep for weeks after, even though they know that they are just movies. This runaway guilt causes the immense self-hate, and also directs much animus at those who instilled the guilt – usually the father – which causes the larger hate of our society.

This is just a cost of using guilt (which is the control mechanism of choice for individualistic cultures) and is more than compensated for by the great power that it unleashes in those whose guilty feelings don’t run out of control. That’s how I see it.

progressoverpeace on July 18, 2008 at 10:25 AM

I *warned* you, but did you listen to me? Oh, no, you *knew*, didn’t you? Oh, it’s just a harmless little *bunny* *pre-conceptual theory based on junk science that threatens to bankrupt the world economy* , isn’t it?

db on July 18, 2008 at 10:28 AM

“Everyone talks about the melting of the glaciers but having day after day of rain in Antarctica is a totally new phenomenon. As a result, penguins are literally freezing to death.”
J_Gocht on July 18, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Maybe they could move to Texas,[along with the illegals} where it is warm.

Johan Klaus on July 18, 2008 at 10:30 AM

And Arctic ice is melting so quickly that a sea lane has opened through the Northwest Passage.

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Silly explorers in the 1700′s; they should have called it the Northwest Ice Sheet after they sailed through it….

Think_b4_speaking on July 18, 2008 at 10:30 AM

What we know about global warming comes from thousands of scientists pouring over countless data sets, conducting experiments to figure out how the climate works and scrutinizing every aspect of each other’s work.

Reality differs a little from this view, unfortunately. For example, I seriously doubt that every published result undergoes an attempt at independent reestimation or replication. There are not “countless” data sets. And the network analyses show cliques, not even warring camps, and certainly not a highly competitive environment of one-uppers.

DrSteve on July 18, 2008 at 10:33 AM

but why wait

why indeed?

It’s time to stop wrapping public policy around a fraud.

who are you telling?

urbancenturion on July 18, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Oh sure … it was from everyone except the one who actually posted the truth (just look up!)

corona on July 18, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Does this mean that I am owed some Carbon Debits????

HarryStar on July 18, 2008 at 10:39 AM

I should note that I came around on GW when AmStat did; but it took a long time — and I think I’m still entitled to complain about the quality of statistics being used in e.g. paleoclimate reconstruction and climate modeling. This business of grabbing the torches and pitchforks when someone raises a legitimate scientific process question gives me the creeps.

DrSteve on July 18, 2008 at 10:39 AM

And Arctic ice is melting so quickly that a sea lane has opened through the Northwest Passage.

Why is this a bad thing?

It is important to remember that climate science is not a public debate carried out on the opinion pages of newspapers (and blogs). What we know about global warming comes from thousands of scientists pouring over countless data sets, conducting experiments to figure out how the climate works and scrutinizing every aspect of each other’s work.

bayam on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Far too important and complex for the unwashed masses to comprehend, right? Just leave the smart people alone to do their important work?

fourstringfuror on July 18, 2008 at 10:41 AM

It is important to remember that climate science is not a public debate carried out on the opinion pages of newspapers (and blogs).

bayam on July 18, 2008 at 9:38 AM

My God that’s a chilling statement.

And it is wrong on multiple levels. Science — by definition — is a public activity! In fact, one of the telltale signs of scientific fraud is when someone like you claims that evidence and the debate must be accessible only inside a priveleged circle.

Moreover, a scientist, even qua scientist, is a moral agent. He is absolutely accountable to the mass of humanity you and your ilk refer to so patronizingly. It is his burden to explain himself clearly to us, and to listen to our reply.

jeff_from_mpls on July 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM

As usual, take some steps in researching the theory.

Step 1. Follow the money.

Wade on July 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Weather has three choices, warming, cooling or staying the same. Two of the three are not bad with today as a starting point.

Putting aside CO2 as a problem child, a casual perusal of core drillings from around the world dating back about 20,000 years reveals a couple of very stark facts.

They are not kidding when they say weather/climate changes. In fact we should be on our hands and knees giving thanks for the time frame we live in these last 200 years. In previous examples, to numerous to recant but outlined to a fine point by Brian Fagan in his 2004 “the Long Summer, How Climate changed Civilization, climate doesn’t usually take 100 years to warm up one degree as the Gore phobics lament, it has changed as much in a several years. Not only that, the last thing you want is global cooling which can happen just as quick. It would be Soylent Green.

The book’s intent has nothing to do with the debate on global warming but everything to do with the interaction of climate and man. What it does show however is the warming amount that is currently feared over the next century doesn’t even measure on a chart despite all the faux hockey sticks they come up with.

A word to Californians who occasionally wail and lament about short droughts that impair their skiing. The normal condition for California, based on said core samples and tree rings, is a state in constant drought–from 500 to 1750. Intense society killing periods were 500-800, 980-1250 and 1650-1750. In fact, the beneficial high rainfall of the late 20th century has only occurred three times in the last thousand years. You had better hope it stays warm.

patrick neid on July 18, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Ask the people of the Arctic (or near) here in Alaska about Global Warming… and this first thing you are going to hear is “Where is Our Summer!?”

BTW there is STILL snow in our mountains. Blah, this summer has sucked.

upinak on July 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Whats interesting to me is the political dynamics shown by both the article, and the immediate response.

One is talking about looking at the data.

One is talking about a Board Vote…

It was once the consensus, that the world was flat too…

These papers sound like they want to start a real debate on the subject, somthing which has been lacking… its going to be interesting.

Romeo13 on July 18, 2008 at 11:30 AM

The American Physical Society had been a proponent of the “consensus” on anthropogenic global warming/climate change — until now. While the main organization has not addressed its position — yet — a major unit within APS has declared global warming unproven and that the IPCC’s conclusions unsupportable. (first paragraph of THIS post)

Do any bloggers ever check primary sources?

There was no reversal

Click and read.

corona on July 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Are you reading impaired corona? Did you fail to read the first paragraph of this post? Ed never claimed there was a reversal. Put your glasses on.

What has happened is a segment of APS has now expressed grave doubt concerning man made global warming. The scientific paper presented by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley has poked more holes into the already hopelessly flimsy theory of man made global warming than a Moon sized block of Swiss cheese. Now before you accuse people of not checking sources you should learn to rub your eyes and read the first paragraph again.

Maxx on July 18, 2008 at 11:30 AM

“…Let’s not forget that Antartica continues to set records for the amount of ice coverage. MarkTheGreat on July 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM

How’s that again…?

J_Gocht on July 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM

jeff_from_mpls on July 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM

bayam appears to be against the principle of peer approved scientific journals. Suddenly, he feels the scientific community has become a holy place, accessible to only a few and worshipped by many, much like our Senate, Martha’s Vineyard, or the Vatican. It makes influencing opinion much easier that way.

a capella on July 18, 2008 at 11:40 AM

The most signigicant and damaging source of global warming is the hot air coming out of Al Gore’s mouth.

The Rock on July 18, 2008 at 11:42 AM

How’s that again…?

J_Gocht on July 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Your link is from 2006! The weather has changed since then (as it is prone to do)

Ordinary1 on July 18, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Anthony Watts’ blog Watts Up With That? has a lot of info and updates on the weather. He’s a former TV meteorologist. His latest post is:

Fabricating Temperatures on the DEW Line

Today I received an email that contained some startling revelations about the Weather Stations that were put in place on the DEW Line, a network of cold war era radar monitoring stations in Canada and Alaska, that have now been abandoned. It makes for interesting reading. The sender Robert J. Chouinard was stationed at one of these and responsible for the weather observations. I don’t doubt the accuracy of his report.

You see, in the early to mid 60’s, during the height of the cold war, I was stationed in the Canadian Arctic as a radar and communications technician on the Distant Early Warning Radar Line (DEW Line). Besides our main objective of spotting Russian bombers coming over the pole to drop atomic bombs on North American cities, we were tasked with making weather observations and synoptically reporting to a data collection center somewhere down south. This was well before satellites and maybe even before mainframe computers were employed for this task. The synoptic reports were compiled by elves and analyzed by someone who was supposed to know what they were doing. Their objective was to forecast the immediate weather which they didn’t do very well. The whole process was considered a joke by everyone who was involved in the process but we had to play along with the charade.

For numerous reasons many reports were fabricated. No one imagined their fabrications would comprise a data set that would, in future years, be used to detect minor global warming trends and trigger a panic in the world.

INC on July 18, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Robert Chouinard goes on to write:

Some of the reasons why the reports were fabricated:
1. Their purpose was only to help with, what was considered, the futile efforts at weather forecasting, not studies on global warming. (The significance of the difference between -55F and -45F was not appreciated. Both temperatures would freeze your balls off. So why split hairs?)
2. Often, this activity interfered with our primary objective. This was because of manning problems which would take a lot of explaining and which I will not go into.
3. Some of the other reasons for fabricating reports:
(a.) physical discomfort of leaving a warm environment and venturing out into the extreme weather conditions to read mercury thermometers located about 200 ft. from the living modules.
(b.) fear of frost bite, getting disoriented by limited visibility, or being mauled by marauding polar bears. (Did you know that more Eskimos get killed from polar bears in Greenland than die of heart attack? I have always been stoic about dying, but being mauled by a polar bear was my greatest nightmare.)
(c.) plain old laziness.
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When you feed this tainted old data into computers for analysis, well GIGO. I realize that the referenced study covered a later period but I doubt that the human element changed much. What more can I say?

Read the comments in the post. They’re interesting, to say the least!

INC on July 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM

How’s that again…?

J_Gocht on July 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM

In 2006… most of the worlds Glaciers were receeding.

Now in 2008, 1/3rd are being shown to be GROWING!

Mt. Shasta

List of GROWING Glaciers 2008

Global Warming is a BS myth! If it is “warming” why are the stats for the glaciers here in my State growing like crazy? When 2 yrs ago, they would have been gone in 5 yrs. Interesting…

upinak on July 18, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Here’s a post at the Watts blog from last week: Four scientists: Global Warming Out, Global Cooling In

Anthony Watts and others post continuing news and data about global warming climate change.

Here’s another one by Joe D’Aleo, CCM, Fellow of the AMS:
Latest NOAA Press Release in Total Disagreement with NASA Satellite

It was the eighth warmest June on record for the globe, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported Wednesday in the 129 years since records began in 1880. And the first six months of the year were the ninth warmest since record keeping began in 1880, NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center reported. The planet’s average temperature for June was 60.8 degrees Fahrenheit, 0.9 degrees warmer than average for the month.

DON’T BELIEVE A WORD OF IT. Just a few days ago, the University of Alabama, Huntsville came out with their global assessment and they reported the 22nd warmest in the 30 years of records in their data base (in other words the 9th coldest). In fact, their global mean was actually below the average (base period 1979-1998 ) with a value of -0.11C (-0.19F). This is a full 1.1F degrees colder than the NOAA guesstimate. The other NASA satellite source, RSS had June as the 13th coldest out of the last 30 years.

INC on July 18, 2008 at 12:17 PM

How’s that again…?

J_Gocht on July 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM

If you read the article you referenced, NASA states that ice is being lost at the edges but building at the center which is on land. In other words, the ice in the ocean is melting but the ice not exposed to the water is increasing. This is due to underwater volcanic activity not global warming. There is no global warming, even the UN has now acknowledged the earth is getting cooler and is expected to follow this trend for perhaps another ten years. This is because the sun is in its low phase for sun spots. Sun spots were the cause of the insignificant amount of warming we’ve experienced, with the peak in 1998-1999. But that phase is finished and we are now in the cooling phase. Warming will come again once sun spots reappear, its a normal cycle, its not man-made.

Follow the various links on this page to see that the earth is experiencing an unprecedented number of underwater volcanic eruptions. Volcanoes heat the water, melts the ice, this is NOT man made, sending money to Al Gore will not change this, but don’t expect Al Gore to admit it.

Maxx on July 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM

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