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Iraqis torn on troop withdrawal

posted at 11:15 am on July 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The New York Times has a balanced and interesting article on how Iraqis view proposals to get American troops out of Iraq.  Most of them would like to see American combat troops out of the country, but many of those fear a too-rapid withdrawal and the chaos that would follow.  And while Iraqis see Barack Obama as a breath of fresh air, they don’t appear to like his military strategy anywhere near as much:

A tough Iraqi general, a former special operations officer with a baritone voice and a barrel chest, melted into smiles when asked about Senator Barack Obama.

“Everyone in Iraq likes him,” said the general, Nassir al-Hiti. “I like him. He’s young. Very active. We would be very happy if he was elected president.”

But mention Mr. Obama’s plan for withdrawing American soldiers, and the general stiffens.

“Very difficult,” he said, shaking his head. “Any army would love to work without any help, but let me be honest: for now, we don’t have that ability.”

Thus in a few brisk sentences, the general summed up the conflicting emotions about Mr. Obama in Iraq, the place outside America with perhaps the most riding on its relationship with him.

Withdrawal itself is not unpopular among Iraqis; a lot of them would like Americans to leave.  Most of them recognize, though, that the Iraqi Army won’t be ready to replace US troops for quite some time.  In some Sunni neighborhoods, the mainly Shi’ite IA can’t or won’t patrol to avoid provocations.  And while the numbers of IA troops have grown significantly, most of them need a lot of training and seasoning before they can operate completely independently of American leadership and logistics — and the Iraqis have no air power at all.

What they do not want to do is to provide an opening for al-Qaeda or militias to start another round of violence.  Another Golden Mosque bombing could touch off more sectarian and tribal feuding, and without the American troops nearby, the IA would still be unlikely to contain it.  As General Hiti understands, the nation needs stability for the next several years while all of the elements of security get developed to independent status, including air and naval power, both of which the Iraqis have had to postpone in order to get its army and police reconstituted.  Otherwise, all of the gains made in the last year will evaporate, and the Iraqis will have to go back to a bunker existence.

The article doesn’t break new ground as much as it gives background for the question which will remain primary in the upcoming American and Iraqi elections.  When can the Americans end its combat stance in Iraq, and what comes afterwards?    Even the Iraqis have no clear conception of the answers, but as one said, the Americans have a moral obligation to finish what we started and make sure the job gets done right.


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The New York Times has a balanced and interesting article on how Iraqis view proposals to get American troops out of Iraq.

Are we reading the same article? It answers every little Obama criticism with a love affair to him. Then it gets to this:

Many Iraqis hate American forces because soldiers have killed their relatives and friends, and they say they want the troops out…

“Of course I want the American forces to leave Iraq,” said May Adnan Yunis, whose sister was killed, along with a female and a male co-worker, when they were gunned down by American soldiers while driving to work at Baghdad International Airport three weeks ago. “I want them to go to hell.”

The three were “gunned down” because they were shooting at soldiers. The article mentions violence and only a few small security gains.

amerpundit on July 17, 2008 at 11:22 AM

I can’t believe anybody is seriously considering pulling out of Iraq at this time when we know we are probably going to have to attack Iran. Why are people closing their eyes to this? We are not done in Iraq until the Iran problem is solved and we see no solution on the horizon. If Iraq was a perfect island of peace our troops are probably still needed for the Iran conflict which I doubt can be avoided.

We should be talking about building permanent bases in Iraq, not withdrawal.

Maxx on July 17, 2008 at 11:25 AM

But is it helping Michelle Obama’s kids? I mean, isn’t that the moral perogative that we should really be concerned with here?

WisCon on July 17, 2008 at 11:29 AM

The New York Times has a balanced and interesting article on how Iraqis view proposals to get American troops out of Iraq.

The New York Times is not a single entity, but of course employs a great many people who usually skew left. Watch this author’s work and see if they are indeed a real journalist, acting like a journalist, not the typical liberal advocate that the NYT employs. If this person is out of a job there within a year, I don’t think I would be too surprised.

wise_man on July 17, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Problem is: What if a War was won and nobody bothered to notice?

On a practical not: we’ll have air power and adequate ground troops to protect and guide that air power in Iraq for many years to come. Other than that, ground pounders in the cities will likely be gone within a year. War won… by Bush and our exceptional military, with zero help from the Dems.

michaelo on July 17, 2008 at 11:30 AM

by Bush and our exceptional military, with zero help from the Dems.

michaelo on July 17, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Not only with little help, but they were/are actively engaged in losing this war in order to gain the presidency.

Total sacks of excrement!

csdeven on July 17, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Withdrawal itself is not unpopular among Iraqis; a lot of them would like Americans to leave.

And the faster the IA steps up to the plate the faster the withdrawal can begin….

robo on July 17, 2008 at 11:56 AM

I wonder how many Iraqis she had to interview to find one who said what she wanted?

Romeo13 on July 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Why do liberals hate the Iraqi’s?

They want us to pull out of Iraq… but yet they aren’t asking us to pull out of Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Japan or Germany or South Korea or Afghanistan so Why do they HATE the Iraqi’s?

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Talk about bitter bumpkins…

It’s the liberal Dems in New York and California who will end up paying for the war, cs.

The least you guys could do is say…thanks.

alphie on July 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Does it matter that US troops want out themselves because it is too safe and too boring?

See ‘CNN headline’

Sir Napsalot on July 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Does it matter that US troops want out themselves because it is too safe and too boring?

See ‘CNN headline’

Sir Napsalot on July 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM

How many troops re-enlisted In Iraq on the 4th of July?

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Even the Iraqis have no clear conception of the answers, but as one said, the Americans have a moral obligation to finish what we started and make sure the job gets done right.

They owe us, we do not owe them.

And, no, I am not going to kiss any korans for saying that.

MB4 on July 17, 2008 at 1:56 PM

but as one said, the Americans have a moral obligation to finish what we started

I thought that they were supposed to finish what we started as they stood up and we stood down. Muslim ingrates. Oh my well.

MB4 on July 17, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Why would any sane person turn to the Times for information? The propaganda mill never ceases.

Muslims lecturing America about moral responsibility? Innocent Iraqis condemning our bloodthirsty troops? Swooning over Obama in Baghdad? Misinformation accomplished.

T J Green on July 17, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Why do liberals hate the Iraqi’s?

Coming from a Muslim-scum-who-worship-a-pedophile-moongod conservative, that ‘hate Iraqis’ line is pretty funny.

Muslims lecturing America about moral responsibility?

Why do conservatives hate the Iraqis?

Grow Fins on July 17, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Aaargh. Quote mix-up. Never mind. Snarky reposte goes down in flames as usual.

Sigh.

Grow Fins on July 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM

If the whole world had a vote tomorrow for US president, based on how the MSM cleans up his image, he would be elected in a landslide. Outside the US the world adores him.

Egfrow on July 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Ignore alphie

Terrye on July 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM

I am sure that a lot of people in the Mid East find Obama interesting just because of his name..but that does not mean they want to be left to fend for themselves just yet.

As for Americans gunning people down, the vast majority of the deaths in Iraq have been caused by the militias and AlQaida, not American forces. So if they are going to hate someone for killing members of their families, it would be more likely it would not be an American at all.

The truth is I am sure the Iraqis would rather not see armed men in the streets. I would not be surprised if there was not some presence there for some time, but no one wants to have a heavy military presence in that country any longer than it absolutely necessary.

Terrye on July 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM

And while people on the subject of Americans gunning people down, just keep in mind that Obama wants to send more force into Afghanistan and Pakistan and they will be armed. In fact he said last year that we just bomb civilians there anyway, so I guess he thinks it is time we sent some of these baby killers to Afghanistan. yes, the people like alphie are going to have a hard time with Barack the war monger.

Terrye on July 17, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Americans have a moral obligation to finish what we started and make sure the job gets done right.

This raises the obvious question… are Democrats:
A. Americans, or are they
B. Soul-less automatons whose prime directive is permanently set to “gain power” no matter what the cost to their country or any other?

Why doesn’t someone ask Obama… isn’t it now obvious that a bipartisan commitment to win the war is the most honorable and fastest and safest way to secure the blessings of liberty for Iraq, and the blessings of being home with their families for more of our warfighters?

What am I missing? Could it be that the answer to my first question is “B”?

drunyan8315 on July 17, 2008 at 6:53 PM

What am I missing? Could it be that the answer to my first question is “B”?

drunyan8315 on July 17, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Well, it sure as hell ain’t A.

platypus on July 18, 2008 at 1:27 AM

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