Heart-ache: Hasselbeck reduced to tears by dopey N-word discussion
posted at 6:06 pm on July 17, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I too was in tears after viewing it, so excruciatingly inarticulate is our cast. Newsbusters has a transcript, but trust me, it won’t help. Hasselbeck’s point is a simple one: We all share a common culture, so in the interests of commonality, how about everyone agrees to quit dropping the N-bomb, yes? Whereupon Whoopi, seizing the opportunity for a righteous show of Absolute Moral Authority, duly pitches a fit about how we’re different and that’s the way it is and Elisabeth simply doesn’t understand the “frustration” over the “huge problems that still affect us,” even though, please note, in calling for everyone to stop using the word she’s making the same argument as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Consider this a punctuation mark on a week that began with that Obama New Yorker cover, the intent of which was clear but declared to be beside the point because it was unhelpful to the left’s agenda. Whoopi and Sherri Shepherd have a plausible intentionalist defense of their position available to them here — when blacks use the N-word the intent will almost always be innocent whereas it’s much more ambiguous when coming from whites — but that ends up being exploded when Walters asks Shepherd what would happen if she said the word, presumably in a friendly/jokey manner to Sherri. Answer: “I don’t want to hear it come out of your mouth.” So much for intentions.
Anyway. Hasselbeck ends up in tears, Whoopi ends up basically arguing that the gulf between the races is too great for them ever to understand each other (or at least for whites to understand blacks), and they end up quickly moving on to talk about something else. Is this the sort of great national conversation Barry O had in mind?
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I’m reduced to tears at the fact this inane show is still on the air.
Anna on July 17, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Admit it, you miss Rosie!
JayHaw Phrenzie on July 17, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Yes, someone hand me a box of Kleenex please.
Lennie on July 17, 2008 at 6:11 PM
When Barry said we needed to “start a long overdue conversation about race in this country” I couldn’t help but wonder- haven’t we been having this conversation since the beginning of our nation? Didn’t we fight a civil war over who gets what rights? Didn’t we go through entire civil rights movement that knocked down the remaining legislative walls in the 60’s?
When exactly HAVEN’T we been having a conversation about race in this country?
Tman on July 17, 2008 at 6:12 PM
I’d be very upset too if I had to give up a trump card that allowed me to claim superiority over anyone who disagreed with me.
pedestrian on July 17, 2008 at 6:13 PM
why do i feel like the last 40 years of race relations disappeared in the last 8 months? and why is whoopie acting as if white people just have to watch what they say?
trailortrash on July 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Dear God, why do they cut the audio? Why bother having a conversation about a word the network deems so unacceptable to even discuss in any manner that they have to make sure we don’t even hear it? We know what word she’s saying, for heaven’s sake! They cut out other stuff she said along with the N word. Ugh.
TheBlueSite on July 17, 2008 at 6:15 PM
How freaking stupid.
I don’t think Hasselbeck came off bad at all. To me she came off as someone passionately believing in a perfectly sensible position trying to articulate that position to some one arguing forcefully that sense has no place. Maybe that’s just white boy bias showing, but…
Why would black people want to keep that word around if white people want to get rid of it?
Typhoon on July 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Wow, that Whoopi is a genious. I can’t believe she is stuck on this dopey show and not the UN General Secretary or President of Harvard.
cat-scratch on July 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM
If they’re going to skew the panel 3-to-1 against a single conservative, they should at least have hired one who isn’t such a wimp. But I guess that was the point – they never wanted to present a fair picture of women’s diverse views. They wanted to imply that conservatism is weak, unpopular, and easy to defeat. Brainwash-o-rama for the stay-at-home ladies who watch this drivel. (I’m a stay-at-home lady who does NOT watch this drivel.) Poor Elisabeth. They never meant to give her a fair shake at all.
aero on July 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM
So after all these years some blacks want a small level of segregation? The irony.
Dr. Manhattan on July 17, 2008 at 6:17 PM
It really is frustrating attempting to speak logically with people who do not operate logically, but emotionally. She’s reduced to tears because she knows in her heart she is right, that arguing with liberals (and sometimes, idiot conservatives) is a losing situation that has no good outcome, even when you are right and they are wrong. After trying your best for months, and then years to speak some sense, you find yourself back at day one with these people. You might as well attempt to explain algebra to your dog. Same outcome.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
wise_man on July 17, 2008 at 6:18 PM
“The View: Doing everything possible to affect the desire for female input in intelligent conversations.”
Sadly, in a NEGATIVE way…
Voidseeker on July 17, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Jesus God Almighty. I’m sorry, but for Elizabeth Hasselbeck to sit there day after day with those awful, ignorant, shallow — and yes, I’m gonna say it, FAT bigots — well, I just think she’s a whore. She’s got to be doing it for the money, though they couldn’t possibly be paying her enough to endure being a part of such a daily train wreck. Please tell me this show doesn’t have high ratings.
Rational Thought on July 17, 2008 at 6:20 PM
If we’re different and that’s the way it is, is Whoopi arguing that there is some fundamental difference between the races? If so, what are those differences?
If her argument is that there are fundamental differences between the races because of the way people are raised, how can a poor black child from the deep south being raised by his grandma possible have anything at all in common with Obama’s daughters growing up in a solid 2-parent wealthy family in the midwest?
JadeNYU on July 17, 2008 at 6:20 PM
If the roles were reversed, people would be up in arms about the way Whoopi so liberally used the terms “We” and “you.”
jimmy the notable on July 17, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Alright, so Whoopi doesn’t actually want all to be equal. She wants people to only do or say certain things if they’re a certain color. She wants exactly the opposite of what MLK dreamed about.
amerpundit on July 17, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Why do black comics get to constantly use the word “cracker”? Double standard. As always.
The argument is absurd. Blacks have taken the N word and taken away the negative meaning from it. I have a hard time believing that most blacks are as stupid as you’d have to be to use this argument. When I hear blacks use the word AT ALL, I think of them as uneducated and completely ignorant. So, they may have taken the word, but when they use it in any manner, they tend to hurt their own cause, as it sounds idiotic.
And there are huge problems that still affect blacks? As far as I can tell, these problems are almost completely self inflicted ones that I think we’re all tired of hearing about, and tired of being blamed for (non-blacks, that is).
You do not live in different worlds, and to say you do is ludicrous. When a black man has a real chance of becoming president, it’s time for ALL blacks to take the chip of their shoulder and suck it up. This isn’t the world of Whoopy’s mom who couldn’t vote, it’s 2008, racism as a major problem is long gone when it comes to whites against blacks. However, the fact that Al Sharpton is still given a national platform is proof enough that racism as it exists in the minds of blacks against, well against the entire world who owe them something is NOT over. It’s alive and well, but whites won’t spend too much time complaining about it, because it does no one any good.
It’s sickening, and the frustration is going to do nothing but HURT race relations that are 99.9% of the time perfectly fine and good.
TheBlueSite on July 17, 2008 at 6:23 PM
How about we all agree to use whatever words we want whenever we want? Maybe we could codify that in some sort of official document.
Why didn’t the founding fathers think of this?
EJDolbow on July 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Equality = no right to whine
Whoopi don’t want that, no she don’t.
omnipotent on July 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM
As long as they still vote for him any great national conversation is fine by him.
calbear on July 17, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Yentas, stick with what you know, shoes & Sex and the City.
RobCon on July 17, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Sure, blacks understand whites. Whites are too stupid to understand thug ‘culture’. Yawn.
pat on July 17, 2008 at 6:27 PM
In college I took part in a cable show (I forget what it was called…something like Globe Talk) that was supposed to bring kids from the U.S. and other countries together to discuss political issues.
The episode I was on had kids from the U.S. and kids from South Africa discussing racism and political correctness. We were all given a large packet of information to read on the subject the week before filming and were encouraged to do further research on our own.
I took it very seriously, read everything and came armed with facts and figures. I think I was the only one on the U.S. side that had bothered reading more than the first page.
After filming, one of the other kids from the U.S. told me, “It’s so frustrating trying to debate something with you because you’ve got all this data to back up your point of view….but I just know you’re wrong because I can feel it in my gut.”
That pretty much sums up my experiences discussing issues with the vast majority of liberals (and, sadly, quite a few conservatives too).
JadeNYU on July 17, 2008 at 6:27 PM
No. Nowhere near enough. And yes. Yes it does.
It helps to illustrate how half of our fellow citizens think. If you can call it that. As disgusting as it is to watch, this is a portal into the mind to a liberal. Liberals who live in New York.
Awful, ignorant, shallow, FAT liberal bigots who live in New York (and elsewhere) and think that they are so much more enlightened than all the rest of ‘flyover country.’ Remember that blue and red map of the electoral votes from 2004, the one that showed practically all of the united states in red, with a blue california on he left and the many blue new england states on the right that went for Kerry?
Yup. This is our country. With sane people in the center, and the insane ones on the perimeter.
wise_man on July 17, 2008 at 6:30 PM
A wise man once told me n*gga please.
The Race Card on July 17, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Geez why is everything a “heart-ache”? I am disgusted by that inane show (the little I have seen of it).
Hilts on July 17, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Blacks are going to have to decide if they want to be treated as equals, or if they want to continue to be treated as victims.
They can’t keep having it both ways.
If they’re equals, then they have to play by the same rules as all the rest of us. No exceptions.
AZCoyote on July 17, 2008 at 6:30 PM
For what it’s worth, every single one of the South African kids were strongly opposed to the concept of Political Correctness.
As one girl said, “If someone hates me, they’re going to hate me whether they call me ‘miss’ or call me ‘kafir’. I’d rather have her call me a kafir because at least then I know where she stands.”
JadeNYU on July 17, 2008 at 6:30 PM
So Whoopi thinks that Hasselbeck shouldn’t be allowed to say or do certain things because she’s white?
Isn’t that racism?
That’s really what this is about isn’t it? Black people are still allowed to be racist, right?
apollyonbob on July 17, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Check out a map of the counties. There’s a majority of red counties in probably every single state, but the elitists in the cities outweigh the others.
jimmy the notable on July 17, 2008 at 6:31 PM
The problem isn’t any term, Elisabeth. The problem is people invested in viewing themselves s fundamentally different type of human being due to trivialities like the concentration of their skin melanin. In the old days, those people were slavers with little pigment. Today, they’re identity cultists like Whoopi Goldberg, who seem to feel that, somehow, their higher levels of pigment entitle them to different standards of judgment. Different times, different levels of melanin, same small-minded error.
Blacklake on July 17, 2008 at 6:31 PM
That was my thought too Jade. I would anticipate Whoopi’s response to your question to be something about how we are not innately different but its the past experiences (ie slavery) which have shaped perspective differences. Now because of those experiences we see the world differently and cannot relate to one another. Its entirely a load of crap but the debate will never be settled because its impossible to prove either way.
A good question for Elizabeth to ask Whoopi, though, would have been, “without mentioning your departed family members can you please tell me about the last time you personally were oppressed because of the color of your skin”? It would be impossible for her to answer that question while maintaining her victim position. Obviously Whoopi Goldberg lives a life of luxury. A life of privilage. She is no more a victim of racism than I am a winner of the lottery.
Zetterson on July 17, 2008 at 6:33 PM
I would like to take this opportunity to nominate myself and simultaneously accept my nomination as The voice for Black Americans.
Please hold your applause. You may send donations to my as yet undetermined PR director whom I will later reject and denounce.
I am one bad mofo and I approve this message.
The Race Card on July 17, 2008 at 6:33 PM
jimmy the notable on July 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Exactly.
Zetterson on July 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM
whoops, forgot to close the quote.
jimmy the notable on July 17, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Incidentally, this whole subject recalls the old DMX song “What These B*tches Want?” Not one of my favorite tunes, to be sure, but look up the lyrics and I’m sure you’ll agree, in this context the main chorus does take on a certain resonance…
Blacklake on July 17, 2008 at 6:38 PM
You must be referring to Jesse Jackson.
He also wanted to castrate Barack Obama.
wise_man on July 17, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Here’s the county map. You tell me which group is actually out of touch with the real will of the nation.
http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2004/11/04/2004countymap3.gif
jimmy the notable on July 17, 2008 at 6:40 PM
You cannot reason people out of an attitude they didn’t reason themselves into, said another way. Kudos to The Only Attractive Female on the show for trying, but there is a time to give it up…Whoppie is dumber than dirt anyway.
Harry Schell on July 17, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Whoopi accidently expressed the problem, when she exploded:
Something like that, with a lot more “understand” tossed in. Sorry Whoopi, but 77% don’t have to understand squat about 12%. Black Americans are the ones who stick “African” in front of American first, i.e. African-American. If blacks want to be separate, then fine; however, don’t whine about that separation when you don’t like it.
Obama and his Rev. Wright have shown what goes on in much of the “Black community” – bigotry and racism. If the 12% wants to fit in, then it is them that need to “understand”.
Karmi on July 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM
That was in response to this:
jimmy the notable on July 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM
-12 Intelligence drain. Your roll.
ronsfi on July 17, 2008 at 6:42 PM
If we want equality, everyone should be able to use it..
Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 6:43 PM
If Elizabeth wanted to win the argument, she would say, “Oh, so you’re doing what the gays do.”
The communit-ay, as I understand it (I’m not a member), hates that comparison. Or so says Toure’.
emailnuevo on July 17, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Defining the word by her very presence…thank you for the clarity Ms. Goldberg. Can we be anti-semetic and racist, I mean since names mean different things to different people?
serenity on July 17, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Gee Whoopi, how forward thinking of you. I think Elizabeth was frustrated because she is saying that white people want to move forward and beyond racial barriers, but black people, like Whoopi, Jesse, Al, keep wallowing in the past. I think Whoopi is so invested in herself, that she is the one not understanding Elizabeth. Owning the word n*r is more important to her identity, than trying to move forward.
Me, I’d cry to if I had to debate Little Dreadlocks day after day.
Mallard T. Drake on July 17, 2008 at 6:45 PM
You must acknowledge it before you can move forward and get past it. Yes, Whoopi I completely understand.
HUH!?!
Sultry Beauty on July 17, 2008 at 6:47 PM
To have a meaningful discussion, you have to have what is called a “commonplace.” Rhetoric 101. A “commonplace” is an area where two people can agree to have a disagreement.
What the discussion of the n-word lacks is a commonplace. You have people who say it can never be used, and people who say it can be used in certain contexts. You have people like Sherri saying it can be a term of endearment and people who see it as a racial slur.
This is the problem with all such speech codes. You can have taboos, but when you codify speech, an intangible expression of toughts and feelings, you lack any defensible basis for making such standards as people cannot even agree on what speech means.
Rule of thumb: Don’t be a donkey. If the words you use make people disregard your argument and focus on the words, you are being conterproductive.
That said, you don’t have a right not to be offended.
VolMagic on July 17, 2008 at 6:48 PM
The fat black
womangastro-pod is the most annoying unter-thinker on thatshowhen house. I am so freaking tired of black people in America dictating rules and pre-censoring race discussions and I am even more pissed off that white people let them get away with it. (Now I’m a racist right?)The word “racist” has lost its potency and meaning (at least with me) due to frivolous over use by blacks and other minority groups. In fact, I have lived in racially diverse communities and I hear more vile racist crap come from Blacks, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans than ANY other people. I’m over it. I’m calling them how I see them and they can call me what they will.
As for this hypocritical tripe, all I see and hear are two racists poorly and feebly attempting to justify racism and bigotry. I also see two white people being bullied and shouted down by those bullies. Pathetic.
Claypigeon on July 17, 2008 at 6:48 PM
The Whoop says: “No…no it’s not”
Sorry, I call a double BS factor on that one.
I’m a big time gamer. Video games that is, and have an XBoxLIVE account. I play on line almost every day.
I’m sick of being called a “Faggot”…”nigger”…”bitch”…”whore”…”homo”…etc in almost every match that I’m in.
When I complain to the foul of month about their “trash talk” it only get worse!
Yes, it’s in our pop culture and it seems to be completely accepted by it.
But, not be me and mine.
How did it get there? Rap music for one.
1GooDDaDDy on July 17, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Well said!
Karmi on July 17, 2008 at 6:48 PM
What is Whoopi saying, separate but equal? BS. Thank goodness she doesn’t speak for all black people…like Token says on South Park “[insert activist name here] is NOT the emperor of black people!”
JustTruth101 on July 17, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Same here… Racist are REAL Nazi’s that wanted to eliminate the Jews and make a “Pure Race” or whatever…
All this other stuff is just BS.. and frankly i’m getting tired of it.
Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 6:53 PM
The Whoop says: “No…no it’s not”
Sorry, I call a double BS factor on that one.
I’m a big time gamer. Video games that is, and have an XBoxLIVE account. I play on line almost every day.
I’m sick of being called a “Fa**ot”…”ni**er”…”bi*ch”…”who*e”…”h*m*”…etc in almost every match that I’m in.
When I complain to the foul of month about their “trash talk” it only get worse!
Yes, it’s in our pop culture and it seems to be completely accepted by it.
But, not be me and mine.
How did it get there? Rap music for one.
1GooDDaDDy on July 17, 2008 at 6:54 PM
month=mouth
1GooDDaDDy on July 17, 2008 at 6:54 PM
I once had a girlfriend (a white liberal) who attempted to explain to me that its impossible for people of color to be racist because in order to be racist you must be in a position of power. You must be opressing the other race in order to be racist. I then explained to her that that is a theory first expressed by the likes of Jesse Jackson (a fact that she was not aware) and its a garbage theory. I then explained why its a garbage theory. Granted, the relationship did not last. Go figure.
Zetterson on July 17, 2008 at 6:54 PM
I’m your equal if you treat me special!
coldshot on July 17, 2008 at 6:55 PM
IDIOT alert
We are in for a world of hurt when Barry O is in charge. the word is gonna get used over and over again.
TroubledMonkey on July 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Top 1 Ways to know Allahpundit is back in town:
1. Clips from the View pop on HotAir
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Wait. Somebody made sweet Elizabeth cry?
Let’s get ‘em!
Professor Blather on July 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Henceforth, the word “redneck” is off limits to blacks.
In short, I don’t want to hear it come out of their mouths.
The Ugly American on July 17, 2008 at 6:58 PM
I know we all wish this would go away, but it is hard to wash away a 400 year old stain. I hope it doesn’t take another 360 years to heal this open sore.
How long would it take to assimilate us into one race? :p
Kjeil on July 17, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Personally, I am sick and tired of some PC twit telling me what I can or can’t say. I can say anything I want about anyone I want, short of slander. I don’t CARE if they are offended. Isn’t it really time for these morons to grow up?
sdillard on July 17, 2008 at 7:00 PM
I heard this part of this cackling, screechy, whiny nonsense while listening to Hannity on the radio. When I couldn’t take it anymore I switched to my iPod to listen to this.
baldilocks on July 17, 2008 at 7:00 PM
So it seems as though no matter how badly white people want to balance the racial scale, black people set themselves apart and claim they have the right to say the “n” word, and we white people do not…
The next black montra will be that they will be allowed to “own” slaves because they themselves were enslaved.
Absolute “CRAP”…
The Black Goddesses on the View are insolent, arrogant, and are exactly depicting the attitudes that is dividing the races in today’s society.
The more white people kiss their back asses the worse it becomes…
When are we as white people going to decide NOT to accept this rhetoric?
Ms. Hasselbeck should stop worrying about her co-hosts feelings, and tell them what they are saying is CRAP, and tell them in no uncertain terms they are part of the problem, not the solution…
rdpostsr on July 17, 2008 at 7:00 PM
A show and audience full of dummies (not you, Liz). I can’t even listen to the whole thing.
I’m only 24, and I’m still learning and studying lots of history, but I swear, Obama’s campaign has set race relations back to my great grandparents’ time. Or at least it feels like it.
P.S. Screw you, Brian Frons.
Dubn8tr on July 17, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Isn’t proclaiming a class of people protected just special?
Enforced double standard, now thats, Constitutional!
Speakup on July 17, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Blacks comedians say lots of things about whites that sound RACIST(Definition of Racist: The feeling that your race is superior)
Black comedian, whites cant dance, whites cant sing, whites cant jump, whites are slow.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc..
Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Not one race my friend, that wouldn’t be bio-possible.
But, one nation..one country…one people is possible I believe.
1GooDDaDDy on July 17, 2008 at 7:03 PM
To these Whoopie morons – Condi and Justice Thomas are “House Nigros”…Condi is the “Hanky Headed” one. Visit the Afrosphere…
Karmi on July 17, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Okay, white people.
You have my full permission to say the word “nigger” to anyone, anywhere. And when someone takes offense, you tell them that baldilocks said its okay and, since I’m not only black, but of the same tribe as the savior, it should make things a-okay. Don’t tell them that I’m a Republican, though, because it will make your n-word pass void.
Sheesh!
baldilocks on July 17, 2008 at 7:04 PM
This is a load of horsepoop, Allah.
It can only be one of two things:
The word is inherently offensive, in which case it’s offensive no matter who says it, under what circumstances. This is the Left’s position, except when someone on the Left says it.
The word is not inherently offensive, a la Shakespeare. If we called a rose the inward, it would still smell as sweet, and if we called an inward a rose, The Man would still be holding him down.
If the word is not inherently offensive, then it depends on the intent? Don’t be naive. Maybe it SHOULD depend on the intent, but it doesn’t. It depends on whether anyone claims to be offended. If a black person hears a white person say it, the black person will claim to be offended. Therefore, white people can’t say it.
If a black person hears a black person say it, even if the black hearer claims to be offended, the black speaker will hide behind his skin color.
I’m really against speech codes, and I’m especially against speech codes dictated by the color of the speaker’s skin.
Are we equal, or are we not? He asked rhetorically.
Of course we’re not. Not even legally.
misterpeasea on July 17, 2008 at 7:06 PM
I’m sorry about that….I just get really frustrated when you spawn kill all the time. ;)
Kidding, of course.
I’ve had a similar experience when I’ve played on Live as well. It’s really sad when you can tell that the person that’s being so vile is about 8 or 9. Makes me wonder where the parents are.
JadeNYU on July 17, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Amen, brother! (or sister, if you are female.)
Democrats want to talk race, race, race.
Republicans hire people of all cultures and go about their business.
Mallard T. Drake on July 17, 2008 at 7:06 PM
rdpostsr on July 17, 2008 at 7:00 PM
I couldnt have said it better myself. :)
becki51758 on July 17, 2008 at 7:07 PM
Cannot stand Hannity, dude repeats the same things over and over. I could put a monkey in front of a soundboard set with a few of his talking points recorded behind the desk, then put a cardboard cutout of him in the chair next to Colmes, and no one would even notice.
doubleplusundead on July 17, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Um, okay, Whoopi, but if there are different standards between whites and blacks, meaning blacks are allowed to get away with racist junk and whites aren’t, why’d you persuade your ex-boyfriend Ted Danson to perform your racist blackface schtick for you? He’s not allowed to insult blacks, only you are. So why didn’t you perform the routine yourself?
DubiousD on July 17, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Baldilocks, may I call you a “Hanky Head”?
Karmi on July 17, 2008 at 7:08 PM
I’m not that wild about him either. I just happened to turn on the radio during the time he was on.
baldilocks on July 17, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Speaking of naivete, don’t you know that only victims can impose speech codes?
Blacks,
homosexualsgays, etc.So shut-up, cracker-ass cracker.
misterpeasea on July 17, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Only when I’m working out. Gotta keep the sweat out of my eyes.
baldilocks on July 17, 2008 at 7:10 PM
I’d say they want to continue to be the victim as it’s easier to be the victim then to honestly looking at yourself in the mirror and determine what is you can do to be a better person regardless of your skin color.
True equality means all people regardless of their color, heritage, religion, etc. are treated equal; therefore the very existence of affirmative action and/or any laws or rules that provide an advantage to anyone based on their skin color is racist!
I too get very sick of the race card being thrown out all the time and the race-baiters that use the race card, especially when the facts do not support a majority of the “claims of racism.” What blacks need to be concentrating on and be upset about are the stark and sobering stats such as the percentage of blacks in prison compared to their percentage of the overall population, that blacks are much more likely to be murdered (by other blacks) than white people, and the fact a little more than half of black children growing up do so without a father in the home.
These are just some of the stats blacks need to not only be talking about with each other. More importantly they should be spending their time more constructively by DOING something about it instead of wasting time blaming whitey for all their woes because the whole “victim” excuse is not only getting real old and thin it’s no longer backed up by reality!
Liberty or Death on July 17, 2008 at 7:10 PM
;-)
Karmi on July 17, 2008 at 7:12 PM
Racism will never die in this country exactly for the reasons they used in this argument.
JeffinSac on July 17, 2008 at 7:14 PM
I believe this as well. And some merchants of racism such as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, The Reverend Wright, all hypocrites who claim to be men of God, (Jackson – fathered a child out of wedlock, using the N word, Sharpton – Tawana Brawley, Wright – obvious racist) all preach that White America is racist … all of them face losing the ability to ply their trade if Obama is elected president. Because if that happens, then their lie about America being racist, is taken from them. And this pisses them off.
wise_man on July 17, 2008 at 7:15 PM
LOL!
Yeah, I get accused of that ALL the time. It just ain’t true though. I’ll waste you fair and square every time.
Motto: “Move fast…waste them…move again…waste them”.
Just stop “team Killing” and calling me foul names already.
1GooDDaDDy on July 17, 2008 at 7:16 PM
Obama mentioned a lot of that in his Father’s Day speech, which is why Jesse wanted to cut the you-know-whats off.
Karmi on July 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Really! It drives me mad… I was on Hulu.com looking for a movie the other day and I found this. Watch the first five minutes and tell me that Paul Mooney is not a racist. However, that’s not the issue. The issue is that Hulu.com, a media network site with permission to host almost every major TV network’s material, is hosting and promoting this video and no one has said a thing. Please tell me why?
BTW, you dodged nasty a bullet with that Libo girl. :)
Claypigeon on July 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Basically Jim Crow laws are bad, except when the separate laws between the races benefits them.
So different speech allowed for black and white is OK by the affirmative action community.
Different schools. . . even equal. . . atrocious.
ThackerAgency on July 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Hasselbeck is an embarrassment. I’m not quite sure who she thinks she is supposed to be representing on the show. I think the format/audience assume she is the “conservative? It made me sick to watch that clip.
Since she’s intellectually/emotionally unequipped to fight those smug leftists/racists making a fool of her (in the few clips I’ve seen), then what’s the point? Money? Honestly, they couldn’t pay me enough for the time on-camera and the many hours sucking up behind the scenes, events, etc… And if it’s not total misery to her, then she’s either a fraud or she’s not right in the head.
nottakingsides on July 17, 2008 at 7:21 PM
What’s this bit about Whoopi saying her mother “couldn’t vote in this country”? According to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whoopi_Goldberg
… Goldberg was born in NYC in 1955 and raised there. New York didn’t use shenanigans to keep black people from voting; in fact, blacks could vote in that state in 1860 if they met a property requirement.
radjah shelduck on July 17, 2008 at 7:22 PM
These people just make me sick.
I have nothing more articulate to say about these inarticulate boobs…Hasselback included. They are utter morons with no intellectual processes to speak of.
And Barbara Wawa, if she ever had any journalistic creds to speak of, has destroyed them all through this most idiotic of shows.
BAAAAARRRFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!
(Sorry… can someone lend me a hankie?)
seanrobins on July 17, 2008 at 7:23 PM
“So, you see Elizabeth, what we did, see, is we took it out of the hands of the people who were using it. So we took their bad behavior, and we copied it and made it our own, and now we’re better than them. Yeah. So if you call me a retard, I’m going to start calling myself retawded all the time, and that way you won’t feel like calling me that anymore. Long after you stop saying, I’m going to keep saying it, because… Well, because. Then your kids will hear me say it, and have to be explained why I’m saying it, but they’re not supposed to. See, this is all making sense, K?”
Ngggghhhhhhh.
Seixon on July 17, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Nigga Nigga Nigga Nigga Nigga Nigga Nigga….whew….I’m tired!
DfDeportation on July 17, 2008 at 7:25 PM
I bolded those words because they don’t match in number. One is singular; the other is plural and that is indicative of the larger problem. Too many blacks continue to think of self as part of a larger group entity. Back in the day, this way of thinking was a method of survival. Now the philosophy is mostly outmoded. But who was responsible for instilling the principle of individualism into black (and other) children and the philosophies that uphold that principle? The public educational systems. Who has run most of those for the last forty-odd years? Right; the party whose philosophy runs directly counter to individualism.
We’ve been hoodwinked.
Forget these View hags and about having the “right” to say nasty words without the consequence. You don’t have it and I can’t believe that anyone who forms their opinions on the basis of principle rather than emotion is even arguing about this. No one does. No, black don’t either.
I’m glad we’re all in agreement.
baldilocks on July 17, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Whoopi is a victim. . . she’s so oppressed that she’s a regular on a TV show dropping the ‘n-word’ that she’s not allowing anyone else to say because she is oppressed.
I don’t understand how she doesn’t see that she’s oppressing people by prohibiting their use of a word. If a kid hears that word, a white kid, hispanic kid, any kid . . . a young kid. . . if they hear it from a black person (like the uber offended Whoopi), they will likely repeat it. They will ask what it means. They will want to know why she can say it but nobody else can.
Whoopi just wants to be a victim. She justifies it by saying that her grandmother didn’t vote. White women didn’t vote at the beginning of the 20th century either. . . but that isn’t as important as race is to Whoopi.
It’s sad when someone is oppressing people and justifying it by saying that they are oppressed.
ThackerAgency on July 17, 2008 at 7:25 PM
yeah.. this intellectual Giant, Whoopie, also thinks that if the Voting Rights Act is ever not renewed, that Blacks will lose the right to vote.
I don’t think that there should be a property test for voting (of course!), but I sometimes think that there should be some intelligence requirement to vote. People like Whoopie (or is that Woopsie?), are literally too stupid to be allowed to vote.
seanrobins on July 17, 2008 at 7:26 PM
No, blacks don’t either.
baldilocks on July 17, 2008 at 7:27 PM
The ‘n-word’ will lose its significance as soon as the African American community begins to ignore it. We have free speech.
ThackerAgency on July 17, 2008 at 7:28 PM
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