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D.C. rejects Heller’s gun permit application

posted at 1:12 pm on July 17, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The 32-year ban ends this morning — or does it? Even crueler than being first in line for the iPhone only to find they’re out of stock…

Dick Heller is the man who brought the lawsuit against the District’s 32-year-old ban on handguns. He was among the first in line Thursday morning to apply for a handgun permit.

But when he tried to register his semi-automatic weapon, he says he was rejected. He says his gun has seven bullet clip. Heller says the City Council legislation allows weapons with fewer than eleven bullets in the clip. A spokesman for the DC Police says the gun was a bottom-loading weapon, and according to their interpretation, all bottom-loading guns are outlawed because they are grouped with machine guns.

Here’s the money passage from Scalia’s opinion in Heller describing which weapons can still be regulated:

Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time.”… We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons.”… It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like—may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.

There’s nothing “dangerous and unusual” about a bottom-loading handgun; the District’s just jerking around with formalistic distinctions in order to limit as many household weapons as it can. See this DCist post, via Instapundit, for more examples of that from the new regs, especially the apparent requirement that your gun must remain disassembled until an intruder breaks in, whereupon you’re entitled to try to hastily put it together while your uninvited guest clubs/stabs/shoots you to death. Believe it or not, our Democratic Congress may solve this problem; if not, Heller’s surely going back to court for round two to force some judge to put meat on the bones of whatever Scalia meant by “the sorts of lawful weapons that [are] possessed at home.” Exit question: How many millions of dollars in litigation expenses will it cost the District to fight, and lose, the next round of lawsuits instead of complying with the Court’s decision now in good faith?


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So a revolver is okay?

Static on July 17, 2008 at 1:15 PM

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Vatican Watcher on July 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Who knows what is okay, Static. Whatever the case, the District is going to look horrible on this. This is about as clear an indication of bad faith as you can show.

Vanceone on July 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM

I do not understand “apply for a handgun permit” at all.

Do the people in DC have to apply for a free speech permit as well?

BowHuntingTexas on July 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Back to the courts.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Guns should regulated similar to cars.

lorien1973 on July 17, 2008 at 1:22 PM

How many millions of dollars in litigation expenses will it cost the District to fight, and lose, the next round of lawsuits instead of complying with the Court’s decision now in good faith?

It’s intolerable that we should pay to defend something Constitutionally granted to us.

MB007 on July 17, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Hey, Allah: where is that quote saying Heller couldn’t get his application approved from? Unless I’m missing something, none of your links has that language.

Vanceone on July 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Get a .45 Long-Colt Revolver very good.

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 1:25 PM

So “bottom loading guns” are what constitute a machine gun? Awesome so I guess I can have one of these if I move to DC

http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg10-e.htm

British Brem

A little dated but hey.

Or maybe a

http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg62-e.htm

or

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as42-e.htm

C-Low on July 17, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Didn’t Heller “acknowledge” the District’s power to license his possession of a gun? In doing so, he is now reaping what he sowed.

A foolish Plaintiff “acknowledgment.” One that pigeon-holed the very point of his lawsuit. The Second Amendment’s RIGHT to keep and bear arms.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 17, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Jeez…by DC’s interpretation, the only weapons they’d allow would be the historical pieces I’ve got hanging on my walls for decoration.

flipflop on July 17, 2008 at 1:26 PM

Just don’t register………..d’uh!

omnipotent on July 17, 2008 at 1:26 PM

How many millions of dollars in litigation expenses will it cost the District to fight, and lose, the next round of lawsuits instead of complying with the Court’s decision now in good faith?

However many it takes to keep this issue in the courts before St. Obama can get more liberal justices in the DC circuit.

Bill C on July 17, 2008 at 1:26 PM

This was the same pistol Heller tried to register originally.

I expect to see some Contempt of Court sentences inflicted on the DC council shortly … Heller should not have to start the appeal process again.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 1:26 PM

If I was Heller I would contact the NRA, the Lawyers and seek Civil Damages as well as challenge the decision at the appropriate levels.

The “reasonable restrictions” should be totally in line with Federal Law. Period.

This some vindictive mean spirited BS. I would pursue it to the highest level and seek Civil Damages to the same value of the National Debt!

old trooper on July 17, 2008 at 1:27 PM

It’s intolerable that we should pay to defend something Constitutionally granted to us.

MB007 on July 17, 2008 at 1:22 PM

And as a taxpayer, you’re financing both sides of the fight.

Cicero43 on July 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Bring in a Mauser broom-handle, Bren or a Sterling. See? They don’t load from the bottom you jerkwads.

http://www.gunsworld.com/mauser/c96_us.html

http://www.gunsworld.com/world/bren_us.html

http://www.gunsworld.com/gun_smg/sterling.htm

Bishop on July 17, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Hey, Allah: where is that quote saying Heller couldn’t get his application approved from? Unless I’m missing something, none of your links has that language.

Oops, I posted the wrong URL. Fixed now. It’s the “Even crueler” link.

Allahpundit on July 17, 2008 at 1:29 PM

However Heller needs to take that decision to court, because “bottom loading” does not mean Machine gun..

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Typical DC runaround politics. Marion Barry could probably get an Uzi registered.

viking01 on July 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM

As mentioned in a Reason thread, this could mean the comeback of the Broomhandle Mauser.

albo on July 17, 2008 at 1:31 PM

round two and once again who gets to pay the bill for the illegal DC ban .

Perhaps they should force the idiots in DC who are violating the second amendment to cover all legals cost out of there own freaking pockets . I bet that will stop this in a heart beat or faster then a speeding bullet .

Can Heller sue the individuals personally for violating his constitutional rights?

Mojack420 on July 17, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Cicero43 on July 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Exactly. Let’s hope that taxpayers outside of DC aren’t footing the bill, otherwise things could (and should) get ugly.

MB007 on July 17, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Wonder if the Buckhunter Pro .50 cal is legal? It’s a In-Line muzzleloader pistol.

Karmi on July 17, 2008 at 1:32 PM

These regulations show that DC government is as passive aggressive as a disapproving mother-in-law

albo on July 17, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Thanks for the new link, Allah!

Vanceone on July 17, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Machine Guns are usually belt-fed from the side..

M60 machine Gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M60closeup2002.jpg

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Rescind home rule in DC.

Appoint a governor, impose a city code by fiat, empty and then level the mendicant voter plantations.

Enough already.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 1:35 PM

How many millions of dollars in litigation expenses will it cost the District to fight, and lose, the next round of lawsuits instead of complying with the Court’s decision now in good faith? — Allahpundit

Don’t know how much, but whatever the amount, the DC City Council should be sued in their personal capacities to pay it. Its now the DC City Council that is breaking the law.

Maxx on July 17, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Dose that means a belt fed machine gun isn’t a machine gun and wasn’t a Gatling gun top loaded so I guess that would be ok in DC.
Oh and yeah im going to break my gun down so when I really need it I cant use it .Hell ill just throw the bullets how’s that dc . Better yet its loaded sitting on my night stand, and when its comes into play its point and shoot. Gun control is being able to hit your target.

Mojack420 on July 17, 2008 at 1:36 PM

Also Machine Guns are Full-Automatic

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 1:36 PM

The moron that filed this report or the moron that issues permits are fvckin stupid. No semi-automatic pistol uses CLIPS. They are MAGAZINES people. MAGAZINES. NOT CLIPS. CLIPS are for fully automatic weapons that are belt fed.

Andy in Agoura Hills on July 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM

I’m sure they would have no problem in giving Mohammed Allahbidullah a permit for his RPG.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Guns should regulated similar to cars.

Are bottom loaded cars illegal?

Steve McCullough on July 17, 2008 at 1:38 PM

imagine no gun registration.
imagine no dmv
imagine no liberals
it is easy if you try

custer on July 17, 2008 at 1:39 PM

People the 2nd Amendment is a individual right just like the 1st has stated many time in Heller Majority Opinion. Rights can’t be tax or license.

Notice the and in dangerous and unusual weapons.

jdun on July 17, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Aren’t they inviting a first-class, prompt smackdown from SCOTUS? And if it comes, isn’t it likely to be in the form of a ruling even stronger than Heller (now to become Heller I)?

njcommuter on July 17, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Guns should regulated similar to cars.

lorien1973 on July 17, 2008 at 1:22 PM

no, they shouldn’t be. we don’t need the government licensing our guns, and knowing exactly what guns we have. that leads to the confiscation of guns, as in CA, Britain, Australia, etc.

owning a gun is a RIGHT…you might as well say we should license speech like cars…and yeah the libs would love it.

right4life on July 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Since the Supreme Court explicitiy acknowledged that a person has a right to use a gun for self-protection, the D.C. requirement that the gun remain unassembled in the home is clearly unconstitutional under Heller. An unassembled gun in the home would be of little or no use against an intruder, so the requirement that the gun be kept unassembled is tantamount to banning ownership of the gun in the first place — which the Heller court said may not be done.

AZCoyote on July 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM

With only the few bullets in a revolver and more than one intruder, you better be a good shot.
And you would be forced to shoot to kill because less rounds rule out the option of maiming.

nottakingsides on July 17, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Since the Supreme Court explicitiy acknowledged that a person has a right to use a gun for self-protection, the D.C

as long as we rely upon the courts to decide what our rights are, our rights are endangered.

right4life on July 17, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I wonder if we can make a core cutter big enough to remove the entire DC area from the planet… That would solve a whole lot of problems with one act.

tarpon on July 17, 2008 at 1:45 PM

How many millions of dollars in litigation expenses will it cost the District to fight, and lose, the next round of lawsuits instead of complying with the Court’s decision now in good faith?

Clearly you’ve never worked with the DC government. Good faith has nothing to do with their operation. Try getting them to pay on time for contracted services rendered and you’ll know exactly what I am talking about.

In this particular case, I suspect that there is more than a little bit of spite from a bunch of liberals pissed off that the SCOTUS didn’t hand them down the ruling they wanted and were led to believe would be favorable to their position.

highhopes on July 17, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Also Machine Guns are Full-Automatic
Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 1:36 PM

You can get semi-auto versions of just about any MG or sub-MG that you can name.

Still, how about a breech loading TC Contender in .308? Its considered a pistol when you buy it.

Bishop on July 17, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Guns should regulated similar to cars.

lorien1973 on July 17, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Cars should be unassembled until needed.

Steve McCullough on July 17, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Sometimes I wonder if they do this just to justify having a police force.

benrand on July 17, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Also Machine Guns are Full-Automatic

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 1:36 PM

Technically, a machine gun is a gun that fires more than one round for each pull of the trigger. A select-fire weapon on a three-round burst setting is not full automatic, but it is a machine gun.

vonspringer on July 17, 2008 at 1:48 PM

You can own any type of machine gun in most states; I’ve owned plenty of them, from subguns to belt-feds. But you have to pay a $200 tax and submit fingerprints, etc. to ATF.

You can also own artillery pieces, flame throwers, mortars, etc.

Go to Subguns.com and look at the ads for NFA firearms. They ain’t cheap, but they are a lot of fun.

Byron on July 17, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Unless the Supreme Court issues a ruling citing every specific weapon they feel is alright to possess DC and other municipalities now, will continue to play this shell game.
Bottom line, screw the law, get the gun and take your chances with a jury if it should ever come to that.

Just A Grunt on July 17, 2008 at 1:48 PM

With only the few bullets in a revolver and more than one intruder, you better be a good shot.
And you would be forced to shoot to kill because less rounds rule out the option of maiming.

nottakingsides on July 17, 2008 at 1:44 PM

If I hit a robber I’d rather hit them with a .45 Long-Colt(Revolver) than a .45ACP(Automatic)

It has MORE POWER

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 1:49 PM

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Vatican Watcher on July 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM

“F’in A!!!!” (What a great movie!)

I do not understand “apply for a handgun permit” at all.

Do the people in DC have to apply for a free speech permit as well?

BowHuntingTexas on July 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Only if you’re conservative. This whole issue is BS. When the last time criminal rolled down to city hall for anything other a trial? Does the DC gov’t and Lib’s actually think a criminal goes to Cabela’s for his/her favorite piece?

If a person wants to own a firearm, pistol, shotgun or rifle than that is their choice. I thought Lib’s were pro choice? Or is it only different when it comes to my life and pocketbook?

VikingGoneWild on July 17, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Technically a Gatling gun is semi-auto, you have to complete an independent motion for each round fired. I would love to see someone roll-up to the city desk with one of those.

Bishop on July 17, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Guns should regulated similar to cars.

lorien1973 on July 17, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Cars should be unassembled until needed.

Steve McCullough

Cool … then we can have completely unregister machineguns delivered by flatbed truck, shoot them on private property, and never have to register them unless we carry them on a public street.

Good plan Lorien … lets regulate guns EXACTLY the same way we regulate cars.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 1:50 PM

First mistake – Living in DC!
Second mistake – Caring what the DC politicians think about self protection!
Third mistake – Following Supreme Court Ruling, trying to get a permit rather than just keeping gun in the house!

sabbott on July 17, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Guys, this is an outrage. Heller fought 8 years in court for his decision, and DC is stonewalling. What’s he supposed to do, sue them again? This should be grounds for criminal sanctions as well as civil.

fossten on July 17, 2008 at 1:50 PM

The gun is to remain disassembled? I bet the criminals run around with theirs disassembled, too….right?

What is wrong with these people??

becki51758 on July 17, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Oh, and for the guy ranting about “clip fed pistols” … there actually are a couple of them.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 1:53 PM

What effing morons! When are they going to wake up and realize that guns don’t kill anyone, people kill other people. A gun is just a method. If you really wanted to kill someone and didn’t have a gun, what would you use?

When I buy a gun I have to go to the local law enforcement and fill out a form and after a few days of checking up on me, they mail a card to me allowing me to buy a gun for one year. When the gun is purchased, it is registered with the feds. That is all that should be required to be done. And that is too much.

If you commit a crime with a gun (armed robbery, murder, etc.), you should have the book thrown at you.

cjs1943 on July 17, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Guns should regulated similar to cars.

I suspect that DC would take that to mean that all guns should be equipped with front and rear license plates. I doubt that they would allow the option of motorcycle sized plates.

rw on July 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM

People keep forgetting that DC is a Constitution-free zone.

Not only do the lying oathbreakers running the place refuse to honor the Second Amendment rights of citizens,

You can’t go much of anywhere in the city without producing your papers and being searched. Everyone is a considered criminal until proven innocent, and

The gummint is linking together over 5,000 Big Brother surveillance cameras to spy on everyone.

Of course none of these violations of the Bill of Rights have done anything to reduce the almost daily killings and other regular violence.

Diane C. Russell on July 17, 2008 at 1:56 PM

People keep forgetting that DC is a Constitution-free zone.

Let’s disassemble DC.

Steve McCullough on July 17, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Firearms in the home must be stored unloaded and disassembled, and secured with either a trigger lock, gun safe, or similar device.

The new law will allow an exception for a firearm while it is being used against an intruder in the home.

So let me get this right. Firearms in the home have to be disabled but you can get them out of the safe if there is an intruder you need to shoot.

highhopes on July 17, 2008 at 2:00 PM

So let me get this right. Firearms in the home have to be disabled but you can get them out of the safe if there is an intruder you need to shoot.

Hold on…hold on. OK, now get out of my house!!

Steve McCullough on July 17, 2008 at 2:02 PM

This is absurd. These people should be removed from office immediately.

CP on July 17, 2008 at 2:03 PM

http://calicolightweaponsystems.com/home/index.php?page=models

M-950/Liberty III Pistol – MSRP: $872.10

CALIBER 9mm CAPACITY 50 round or 100 round Helical Feed ACTION Retarded blowback-CETME type, semi-auto MUZZLE VELOCITY 1290 FPS (6″ barrel) WEIGHT Empty – 2.25 lbs., Loaded w/50rd mag – 4 lbs., Loaded w/100rd mag – 5.8 lbs LENGTH with 50rd mag – 14″ with 100rd mag – 19″ BARREL 6″ heat treated Chrome Moly RIFLING 6 lands and groves, 1 twist in 14″ RECEIVER Prime-cast A-356 aluminum, T-6 temper FURNITURE glass-filled polymer, impact res. SIGHTS fixed notch rear, adjustable post front (windage & elevation) SAFETY rotating sear block EFFECTIVE RANGE 300yards max.

http://calicolightweaponsystems.com/home/uploads/images/950_9mm_sm.jpg

It’s loaded from the top! 50-100 rounds! W00t!!!!!

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Wouldn’t they have to have a search warrant to verify that your gun is unassembeld? Or unloaded? Or trigger locked?

This is easy, screw ‘em.

cjs1943 on July 17, 2008 at 2:03 PM

It should not be up to the gummint to decide this, but a revolver is the better choice as a home defense firearm.

If you think a .38 is underpowered, there are .45ACP revolvers, and a .44 Special is also a good choice. A .357 Magnum is fine, too, but a little intimidating for many — big noise and big recoil. More so a .44 Magnum.

The problem with semi-autos is the cartridge that’s still in the chamber after the magazine is dropped, and the person thinks the gun is unloaded. Yikes! It’s a very easy mistake to make. If you have to have a semi-auto, find one with a magazine disconnect.

Byron on July 17, 2008 at 2:03 PM

All Heller needs to do is hold it upside down while loading it making it a “Top Loader.” (The solution is almost as absurd as the problem)

EJDolbow on July 17, 2008 at 2:04 PM

The moron that filed this report or the moron that issues permits are fvckin stupid. No semi-automatic pistol uses CLIPS. They are MAGAZINES people. MAGAZINES. NOT CLIPS. CLIPS are for fully automatic weapons that are belt fed.

Andy in Agoura Hills on July 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Not knowing that peice of trivia doesn’t make me “fvckin stupid.” I’m sure there’s lot’s of unimportant verbal distictions I know of that you don’t, but I wouldn’t say something like that about you.

samuelrylander on July 17, 2008 at 2:05 PM

You want to know what’s REALLY outrageous? The regulations say you have to get a written slip from the Chief of police to discharge your gun inside city limits.

No exceptions noted, except they did say that if you fire your gun and hurt anyone, that’s a criminal offense. So, putting two and two together–if you fire your gun in self defense, you aren’t committing a crime. Just violating the regulations, unless you have a permission slip for that. So, you will be fined $1,000 to self defend yourself. Or tossed in jail for a year. You also can’t own any ammo, unless you have a registered gun, and then only ammo for that gun. I.E. if you have a 45, you can’t have any 9mm ammo on hand. NOR can you have more than one gun.

Oh, and semiauto handguns are explicitly forbidden–despite the magazine capacity or “bottom feeding” or not. The “bottom feeding” thing appears to be for AR-15’s that have a magazine from the bottom, since handguns are pretty much still verboten. Unless you have a handgun that isn’t a semi-auto, I suppose.

At least you can have a rifle or shotgun (within limits). I guess you could go old school and get a lever action pistol too.

Here’s the link to the city regs.

Vanceone on July 17, 2008 at 2:07 PM

This denial violates the Court’s specific command:

Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.

There is no indication that Heller is disqualified from exercising his rights. Whatever nonsense they may say about “bottom loading” guns, he won the right to register his handgun.

JackOfClubs on July 17, 2008 at 2:08 PM

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Vatican Watcher on July 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM

I say youre spot on, could we target San Fran as well, it is justifiable.

Viper1 on July 17, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Didn’t the court specifically order that Mr. Heller be allowed to register his firearm?

mojo on July 17, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.

Do you have a license for that nuke?

Steve McCullough on July 17, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Andy wrote:

“No semi-automatic pistol uses CLIPS. They are MAGAZINES people. MAGAZINES. NOT CLIPS. CLIPS are for fully automatic weapons that are belt fed.”

Wrong. Clips are used with, for example, a .45ACP revolver to hold the rimless cartridges. The clip also functions as a speed loader. Belt-fed machine guns use belts.

Byron on July 17, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Let’s face it, the authorities running and policing the CAPITAL of The United States of America are true fascists. They’re the real deal.

For them to categorize a semi-automatic pistol with fully automatic machine-guns and deny a constitutionally protected RIGHT of American citizens is a ludicrous attempt to give the highest court of our country, and the very Constitution of The United States of America, the middle finger. I am gobsmacked.

Their conduct is beyond shameful and I am aghast that they would make such a pitiful and pathetic gesture at the Supreme Court of The United States whom has ruled that they are violating the Constitution of The United States of America, the very foundation of our Freedom and Democracy, that so many men and women have died to bring to life and sustain for hundreds of years. It is appalling.

SilverStar830 on July 17, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Don’t forget: semi-automatic pistols are explicitly FORBIDDEN by DC still. Doesn’t matter if it has a clip or a magazine or only shoots one shell–they are forbidden. Only revolvers are allowed. And rifles and Shotguns, unless they can be converted to a machine gun.

Vanceone on July 17, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Here’s the money passage from Scalia’s opinion in Heller describing which weapons can still be regulated:

This is what happens when Politicians mutate our Constitutional rights.

In this instance Scalia gave the Pres. what he asked for, the individual right to own a firearm was confirmed but leaving the ability to control every other aspect in place.

The D.C. police would gladly issue a permit for a muzzle loading firearm and at the same time, tax the ball, wading, powder, cap and then make it felony to carry it outside your home.

Just another small wait while litigation makes it back to the Supreme court and Heller can…apply again.

Speakup on July 17, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Vatican Watcher on July 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Whoa, wait a minute. Might I remind you that there’s a significant dollar value attached to this facility…

Et tu Brute on July 17, 2008 at 2:16 PM

sounds like what the southern states did when the court handed down brown vs dept of education and other verdicts on jim crow laws. Hmmm those were democrats guiding those states then too. Connection?

Meanwhile in IL. the gov admits that the state and city can not protect its residents are is calling for martial law 9 on the next thing too it) since chicago has one of the toughest gun laws on the book there might be a connection. Same with D.C

unseen on July 17, 2008 at 2:18 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripper_clip

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Do blacks need a permit to be free?
Do women need a permit to vote?
Do you need a permit to worship your god?
Do you need a permit fot freedom of speech?

NO ONE NEEDS A PERMIT TO DEFEND ONE’S OWN LIFE!!!

If you are a citizen of the U.S. and are on U.S. soil you own a gun permit is on display, locked up in a hermetically seal case in Washington D.C.

It is call the United States Constitution!

TheSitRep on July 17, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Don’t forget: semi-automatic pistols are explicitly FORBIDDEN by DC still. Doesn’t matter if it has a clip or a magazine or only shoots one shell–they are forbidden. Only revolvers are allowed. And rifles and Shotguns, unless they can be converted to a machine gun.

Vanceone on July 17, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Ummmm a revolver is semi-automatic..

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM

In this regard the states that oppose abortion are being handing a classic way out. they could permit it to the poin that you can’t get an abortion with 65 forms in filled out 6 types and any spelling mistak making the form void and the application denied.

The willful obstruction of a court verdict can be played by both sides and it will undermine the law.

The court needs to slap DC down now or this could get very ugly very quickly.

unseen on July 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Not knowing that peice of trivia doesn’t make me “fvckin stupid.”
samuelrylander

Agreed. Andy got it wrong as well, during his rant at you.

He needs to look up how to load a Mauser C-96 pistol or a Steyr-Hahn pistol before he makes such sweeping statements.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Chakra-hammer:

A Semi-automatic uses gas or recoil to ready the next round.

Only two revolvers are semi-automatic: The Mateba, and the Webley-Fosbury.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM

I will take the Texas State CW class / test & pay the fee to get a gun permit if they will make it manditory for people to take a test ( and pass it ) and pay a fee to vote!

That would go over like the proverbial “turd in the punch bowl” with dims.

TheSitRep on July 17, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Chakra-Hammer: I’m not sure about the revolver = semi-auto thing, but the regulations clearly state that semi-automatics are illegal, while revolvers are explicitly labeled as legal. If that doesn’t make sense, don’t blame me.

Vanceone on July 17, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Exit answer: The liberal, echo chamber mind is a creature of habit; devoid of any measure of self esteem or confindence; forever requiring the repetitive, hollow accolades of a fickle, swooning public.

In short: the liberal, echo chamber mind never counts the cost; only the frequency & severity of knee jerks.

locomotivebreath1901 on July 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Vanceone: and some revolvers are also semi-automatics … which makes the Mateba and the Webley-Fosbury the Schroedinger’s cat pistols for D.C.’s silly regs.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 2:29 PM

SCOTUS needs to spanks the criminal politicians in DC with hefty jail time for contempt. They have been ordered to comply and they have refused.

Justice Scalia, please break out your bat!

dogsoldier on July 17, 2008 at 2:30 PM

I presume that criminals are out there registering their guns today as well. If they are not; doesn’t that just show how stupid it really is?

lorien1973 on July 17, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Only two revolvers are semi-automatic: The Mateba, and the Webley-Fosbury.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Technically I think all double action revolvers are considered semi automatic.
I gas operated pistol can use either blow back (most typical) or gas operation to reload the chamber after you fire.

On a double action revolver the hammer is cocked and the cylinder rotates from the energy and action provided by the pull of the trigger.

TheSitRep on July 17, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Chakra-hammer:

A Semi-automatic uses gas or recoil to ready the next round.

Only two revolvers are semi-automatic: The Mateba, and the Webley-Fosbury.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm

A semi-automatic, or self-loading firearm is a gun that requires only a trigger pull for each round that is fired, unlike a single-action revolver, a pump-action firearm, a bolt-action firearm, or a lever-action firearm, which require the shooter to manually chamber each successive round. For example, to fire ten rounds in a semi-automatic firearm, the trigger would need to be pulled ten times (once for each round fired), in contrast to a fully automatic firearm, which can continue to fire as long as the trigger is held or until it runs out of ammunition.

http://www.coltrevolvers.net/models_of_colts.htm

(Colt double-action revolvers)

Chakra Hammer on July 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM

TheSitRep: All of the definitions I have seen include using firing energy to load or ready the next round. Generally, only mystery writers and journalists have problems telling the two apart.

Revolvers pre-date semi-automatics by quite a few decades.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Great!

I can finally keep an antique revolver at my house with a total of eleven bullets available..

Unfortunately for us law abiding folks, only the criminals are allowed to have guns on the mean streets of D.C.!

The solution: telecommute and never leave the house!

SaintOlaf on July 17, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Chakra Hammer: The Mateba is a gas operated revolver … pulling the trigger fires a round, gas is ported from the barrel, and is used to rotate the cylinder and cock the hammer.

The Webley-Fosbury does the same using recoil force.

… hence they are the only two mass-produced semi-automatic Revolvers.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 2:37 PM

I need to leash myself … I seem to be prone to hijacking a gun politics thread into firearms trivia.

I apologize.

Kristopher on July 17, 2008 at 2:39 PM

So if Joe Blow violates a DC gun law, he can get years of prison.

But if DC officials violated the constitution, get caught, and then violate it again, they get nothing but a chance to waste more taxpayer money?

Spartacus on July 17, 2008 at 2:43 PM

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