UN’s highest court tells Texas not to execute foreign nationals
posted at 2:25 pm on July 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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No, Texas doesn’t have to obey. Not yet.
The U.N.’s highest court ordered U.S. authorities today to do everything possible to halt the executions of five Mexicans in Texas until their cases are reviewed…
The World Court told U.S. authorities in 2004 to review the cases of 51 Mexicans sentenced to death by state courts after finding they had been denied the right to seek help from consular officials.
The World Court has no enforcement powers but President Bush issued a directive to the Texas courts to abide by the 2004 ruling.
Yes indeed, Bush intervened on behalf of the convicts, going so far as to issue an executive memorandum demanding that Texas follow the World Court’s decision per America’s obligations under the Vienna Convention on consular relations. (The defendants’ complaint is that they were never informed of their international Miranda right to contact their local consulate for help.) Whether that was a typical knee-jerk Bush reaction in wanting to expand executive power or a typical knee-jerk Bush reaction in wanting to make the Mexican government happy, I’m not sure. The Supreme Court found the memorandum unconstitutional earlier this year in Medellin v. Texas — not because state courts can’t be made to follow rulings by international tribunals but because Congress hasn’t yet passed any specific federal statute to make the Vienna Convention binding on them. Once they do, then per the Constitution’s treaty and supremacy clauses, presumably everything’s jake. Worth noting: It was the five conservatives who stopped Bush in this case, with Stevens concurring in the judgment. Breyer, Ginsburg, and Souter not only would have read the Vienna Convention to be “self-executing,” i.e. applicable to the states without any action needed from Congress, they hinted that Bush should have more leeway to intervene at the state level in foreign affairs matters so long as he’s not acting against Congress’s will. Funny how notions of executive power change, on both sides, when they contradict the desired result. Oh well.
Here’s the actual World Court ruling. Held: “The United States of America shall take all measures necessary to ensure that Messrs. José Ernesto Medellín Rojas, César Roberto Fierro Reyna, Rubén Ramírez Cárdenas, Humberto Leal García, and Roberto Moreno Ramos are not executed pending judgment on the Request for interpretation submitted by the United Mexican States, unless and until these five Mexican nationals receive review and reconsideration consistent with paragraphs 138 to 141 of the Court’s Judgment delivered on 31 March 2004 in the case concerning Avena and Other Mexican Nationals (Mexico v. United States of America)…” Read the full AP story linked up top and you’ll find a clever argument within from the State Department’s lawyer, namely, that because the U.S. government agrees with the Mexican government in this case, there’s no international dispute cognizable by the court’s jurisdiction. It’s Texas that disagrees with Mexico, not Bush — a brilliant federalist stroke, which naturally enough failed. Read this post on Medellin too by Ilya Somin at Volokh’s site wondering why Americans should follow the rulings of a court partly comprised of judges from totalitarian countries. Exit question: If our popularly elected Democratic Congress votes to follow enable them, isn’t that all the legitimacy they need?
Update: Almost forgot to mention, the crime here was the gang rape and murder of two teenaged girls. Which brings me to a follow-up question: If Pelosi and company did start outsourcing criminal sentences from juries to international courts, how much could it hurt their approval rating? (Answer: Not much!)
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Not, quite. The governor can grant only one 30 day stay. The governor can consider clemency only if it is recommended by the Board of Pardons and Parole. He then can either grant or deny it. The death sentence is carried out by order of the trial court which signs the death warrant and delivers it to the Warden. Hood’s defense attys got the trial judge who signed the death warrant to withdraw his signature which canceled the execution until the AG went to a higher court and had it reinstated. Unfortunately, it was too late to carry out before the death warrant expired at midnight.
Blake on July 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Hey, I got an idea… One that will make nearly everyone happy:
Lets make them American Citizens immediately, just like the Shamnesty people want.
If they are citizens, that makes the World Court opinion moot (not that it isn’t already)
Then execute them immediately thereafter.
That will make people who think horrendous crimes should be suitably punished happy.
LegendHasIt on July 16, 2008 at 4:46 PM
When Barack is POTUS, THEN we shall all be subjects of the “World Community” including the world court, the UN and the EU! Won’t that be special…
sabbott on July 16, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Actually, Bush and McCain are pushing us to that end just as rapidly. Don’t sell out your vote just because someone has an (R) after their name.
Valiant on July 16, 2008 at 5:05 PM
As a Texan, I remember back during the Clinton administration there were a lot of rumblings here about “The Republic of Texas”. The movement was complete with local chapters and meetings to discuss the transition. Their argument was when Texas joined the United States one of the provisos was that it could leave if it saw fit. As most people know the Civil War made that provision null and void. So, these people were looked upon as crackpots by the overwhelming majority of Texans, including myself.
If Texas is ordered to submit to the will of some international court, superseding our own laws, then I will be joining my local chapter of “The Republic of Texas”, and take my place among the “crackpots”.
DeathB4Tyranny on July 16, 2008 at 5:06 PM
“In other news….the World Court also ordered Americans to drive less, turn their thermostat settings higher in the summer and lower in the winter and to turn off lights when leaving a room. They also ordered Americans to vote for the candidate of change, Barack Hussein Obama.”
Talon on July 16, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I’m sorry UN but our “Chain of FN Command” ends at the U.S. Constitution. which allows for our 3 branches.
TheSitRep on July 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Molon labe.
Riposte on July 16, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Amen brother
Corsair on July 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM
You can’t do that unless the rest of us let you go. There’s a Supreme Court ruling from 1869 that says:
Just another useless factoid.
factoid on July 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM
I’m a Texan, and Ted Cruz is my state’s solicitor general. I wasn’t disputing anything he wrote. I was disputing the mischaracterization of the view held by the Bush Administration and by the justices who dissented in Medellin.
That case presented many complicated questions, including questions relating to federalism and the separation of powers. Wherever we come down on those questions, we shouldn’t misstate the views of people who disagree with us.
For the record, I’m perfectly happy to see Jose Medellin put to death. The man’s a vicious criminal.
paul006 on July 16, 2008 at 5:30 PM
And what is so hard to understand about that?
Corsair on July 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM
I stand semi corrected then. Its been quite a while since I’ve had to educate “outsiders” (the term native Texans use for transplants and those not living in Texas) on the way the State of Texas procedes to render murderers to room temperature.
Thanks for the additional and clarifying input.
44Magnum on July 16, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Please tell me you are not advocating an armed insurrection against the United States. I mean, seriously, some things should be beyond the pale, even in jest, and treason certainly is one of those things.
factoid on July 16, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Read the Declaration of Independence. We are not at that point yet but moving rapidly in that direction. The government completely ignores it’s citizens in favor of their own pocketbooks. The federal government is making power grabs and heading further into socialism. The Constitution and Declaration of Independence permits and even demands the government work for the people – not the other way around.
Corsair on July 16, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Interesting, but what would the current supremes say?
IF they are using the treaty clause to override the Constitution, and Texas became part of the US by treaty, and the treaty says that Texas can leave?
How does that train of logic work. Either the Constitution is NOT overriden by treaty, and thus Texas has no reason to leave…. or Treatys can overrride the Constitution, and Texas has the Treaty Right to leave…
Can’t have it both ways, although our government would surely try.,
Romeo13 on July 16, 2008 at 5:57 PM
*begin jingle*
Take this ruling and shove it!
*jingle over*
So, take that, world court of weaksauce.
knob on July 16, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Years ago, I finally got so sick of listening to the ‘Killer Bush’ crap, I looked up the laws, read them, and contacted the Board of Pardons to get the facts as to the number of commutations under Bush. It is great fun to rub it in the faces of the euroweenies that the only case recommended to Bush was granted by him.
Blake on July 16, 2008 at 6:10 PM
NEXT: World Court orders George W. Bush to report to prison for war crimes.
NEXT: World Court orders U.S. Marines to report to prison for war crimes.
NEXT: World Court orders Americans to stop breathing to alleviate
global warmingclimate change.Maxx on July 16, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Yep Blake, the comeback from the Bush haters when hit with the facts of Texas Death penalty law was that Bush was killing people. I would remind them that The Governor wasn’t the one killing anybody, and the hyperbole would continue with the inevitable questions about how Bush could be so callous and should just stop the executions in some grand sweeping of his mighty hand so to speak.
My response? “Ignorance of the law is no excuse”.
These people are applying laws of other states to Texas and are completely ignorant of Texas law.
Nuff said in that regard.
44Magnum on July 16, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Armed “insurrection” to overthrow a tyrannical US government is not treason. By definition, the tyrants are the ones committing treason. At this point, an argument could be made that the left 5/9th of the SCOTUS are tyrants, and a whole lot of other officials. Including administrative.
Spartacus on July 16, 2008 at 6:48 PM
And from Deep in the Heart of Texas (Austin, precisely)…
UN, Get F*ked!
dmh0667 on July 16, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Amen to that! Texas, nor the United States of America for that matter, has no obligation to listen to an illegitimate farce of a “court” that attempts to violate our sovereignty. To hell with what they think, or even if Congress were to capitulate and try to codify it into federal law. Texas has the duty to all Texans and other US Citizens to refuse to obey. Execute the scum quickly to put an end to this farce.
KSgop on July 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Stuff the UN!
They need to pack up their do-nothing back stabbing selves and beat feet to set up shop in another country more accommodating to their way of thinking with like aspirations for the world… like Darfur or Zimbabwe.
SilverStar830 on July 16, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Are you saying that you are for killing an unborn baby but not for a convicted murderer/rapist?
I am Pro-Life too and I wan’t to protect ALL life, even that of criminal scum. (I’m anti-death penalty; at least until a poor guy can get the same kind of trial as a rich guy). God will take care of their punishment.
I hope that I am just misunderstanding what you meant.
mrsmwp on July 16, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Actually, Mc Cain is even worse. He wants to form an ADDITIONAL international body to which we would subordinate our sovereignty:
SOURCE
LegendHasIt on July 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
As a Texan whose ancestry were first subjects of Spain, fought at the Alamo & San Jacinto and were instrumental in establishing the Republic and Statehood;
Dear World Court,
We were here before you,
We kicked your Norman butts out of Texas,
We will be here after you, so
Please bugg off.
Beto Ochoa on July 16, 2008 at 8:08 PM
I can’t believe they have made this an issue because this issue can be turned against the left very nicely:
the dirty little secret about upholding the 1963 Vienna Convention requires law enforcement to PROACTIVELY check the nationality of whomever they arrest in order to be in compliance with the treaty. In other words they would have to check everyones nationality in order to insure that they would be allowed to contact their respective authorities.
What would happen if cops started confirming the nationality of everyone they arrested?
whoops.
I know the open borders crowd and other leftists do not want that.
elduende on July 16, 2008 at 8:48 PM
The USA and its government are two entirely different things.
Anyone standing against the USA, within or without, is an enemy and/or traitor, yet the same is not necessarily true for those standing against its government – sometimes these people are patriots.
We should always reserve the right to take up arms against our government should the need arise. Such action would be the most honorable defense of the USA.
LimeyGeek on July 16, 2008 at 9:13 PM
It’s only treason if you lose. If Texas were to jump ship I know where I’d be moving to.
thekingtut on July 16, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Hang em high and send the UN the bill and a big middle finger up to let the UN know they are number 1
Mojack420 on July 16, 2008 at 10:44 PM
The movement has its own facebook group now.
I wholeheartedly support it.
I’ll move to Texas in a heartbeat. We are so close to desperately needing a new secessionist movement in this nation.
Hawkins1701 on July 17, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Don’t mess with Texas!
Johan Klaus on July 17, 2008 at 1:15 AM
Did the World Court also order Mexicans not to murder Texans?
Tantor on July 17, 2008 at 2:36 AM
This really makes my blood boil…
I’m not even an advocate of capital punishment (costs far more than life in prison, not any more of a deterrent–I do like offing scumbags though so I am torn sometimes) but I want these guys to be tossed into the next available gas chamber.
The UN has NO BUSINESS telling us what to do about ANYTHING. Crap like this is exactly why I want us to raze that useless building and throw everyone out. No more UN.
MannyT-vA on July 17, 2008 at 7:45 AM
The proper response to this by Texas is a two step process:
1. Immediately respond to the World Court with the statement that they will take their demand under advisement and give it the proper attention it deserves.
2. Insert the needle and push the plunger.
CC
CapedConservative on July 17, 2008 at 11:18 AM
“Duly noted”, as in “we received the communication”
/but none of your business, on the back
Bush government’s request was also proper, he is ensuring our citizens won’t be mistreated in foreign territory. However, it is only proper that he noted it is under the juriprudence of the state of Texas.
Sir Napsalot on July 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Heretic!
Al in St. Lou on July 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM
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