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Iraq: We could take over security by year’s end

posted at 1:48 pm on July 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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It’s ambitious, but the Iraqis think that they may have enough ready forces to take control of all 18 provinces by the end of this year.  National security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie set the goal today as the US turned over control of the tenth province, the predominantly Shi’ite Qadasiya, in a ceremony today.  American sources took a more cautious line, but the momentum has clearly shifted towards stability:

Mowaffaq al-Rubaie was speaking at a ceremony where U.S.-led troops transferred security responsibilities for southern Shi’ite Qadisiya province to Iraqi forces.

The handover puts Baghdad in control of security in 10 of the country’s 18 provinces, all mainly Shi’ite or Kurdish areas.

“We aspire to reach to the 18th province before the end of this year. God willing, all provinces will be under the control of the Iraqi security authorities before the end of this year,” Rubaie said in a speech broadcast on state-controlled Iraqiya television from the Qadisiya capital of Diwaniya.

Reuters reports that the Iraqis now have 560,000 security troops, including police, but most units still heavily rely on American support. That will continue to be the case for the next several years, assuming we stay, as Iraqi air power is almost non-existent and their logistical infrastructure still in its embryonic stage. This particular province was also garrisoned by Polish forces, a forgotten but much-appreciated partner in securing and stabilizing Iraq.

Reuters still gets Maliki’s statement on negotiations incorrect, however:

But the growing confidence Iraqi leaders have in handling their own security affairs was shown last week when Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki suggested that a timetable be set for the withdrawal of U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

Growing confidence, yes; timetables, no. Nouri al-Maliki’s office corrected the record on Monday, but apparently Reuters still hasn’t read the news. Maliki wants long-term planning for either withdrawal or remaining, but Maliki specifically rejected timetables. Like the Bush administration and John McCain, Maliki wants to keep maximum flexibility based on conditions in Iraq, not an arbitrary calendar.

Iraq now controls the majority of its provinces, and the rest should move quickly to Maliki’s responsibility. American troops will transition to support roles rather than conducting primary combat missions, and Iraq will become a partner rather than a client. If we manage this properly, we can have a stable Arab democracy in the heart of Southwest Asia for the first time in history — and show other Arabs that self-government is not just possible, but highly desirable to extremism and tyranny.


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It’s the light at the end of the tunnel, though faint and far away.

rockmom on July 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Does this mean that Obama will have to move up his timetable for surrender into the past?

Hope. Change. Time Machines.

NoDonkey on July 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Here were the dates as of Petraeus’ testimony:

Anbar — June 2008
Qadisiyah — July 2008
Wasit — November 2008
Babil — November 2008
Diyala — December 2008
Baghdad — December 2008
Salah Ad Din — January 2009
Ninewa — January 2008
Ta’mim — TBD

So this newest estimate only has the schedule moved up by a month or two. Good news, don’t get me wrong, but entirely plausible.

amerpundit on July 16, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Ambitious is an understatement, but if they can do it, more power to them.

Think_b4_speaking on July 16, 2008 at 1:58 PM

That’s good news, but, I’ll believe it when I see it.

I hope I don’t die of old age before then.

SilverStar830 on July 16, 2008 at 1:58 PM

I do not see the ‘new, independent & secure’ Iraq existing intact for more than 5 years.

LimeyGeek on July 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Obviously Ninewa was supposed to be January 2009 — not 08.

amerpundit on July 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM

The US government will drag its feet the whole time since the goal is not really to give the Iraqis their country back, but to give the Iraqis their country back less the permanent bases we will be launching our future agressive wars from.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Chicago lyric ala Obama:

Where did the loving losing go? Funny how it all slipped away…

T J Green on July 16, 2008 at 2:01 PM

The US government will drag its feet the whole time since the goal is not really to give the Iraqis their country back, but to give the Iraqis their country back less the permanent bases we will be launching our future agressive wars from.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Let me guess: In the quest to expand our empire. Because God knows the only thing we’ve used bases in Germany and Japan for is to launch future aggressive wars. Not to keep people in check around the globe.

amerpundit on July 16, 2008 at 2:02 PM

give the Iraqis their country back less the permanent bases we will be launching our future agressive wars from.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM

yawn

LimeyGeek on July 16, 2008 at 2:03 PM

“agressive wars from”

Besides misspelling “aggressive” do you even know from whence the term originated?

And if you can find any parallel between the Nazi invasion and occupation of continental Europe and Russia, for which they were prosecuted at Nuremberg and the US effort in Iraq, please try and make your case so we can all have a good laugh at your expense.

NoDonkey on July 16, 2008 at 2:06 PM

If the Dems and the MSM had united behind our president, and stayed united, we probably could have reached this goal several years ago and many thousands of deaths ago.

Calling Bush an idiot and his strategy hopeless, was equivalent to cheerleading for the terrorists, aiding their recruitment efforts and bolstering their will to win.

The Dems have blood on their hands.

fogw on July 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM

do you even know from whence the term originated?

Mordor?

LimeyGeek on July 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM

I must have missed the aggressive war we launched from Bosnia. We’ve been there more than ten years now, since Bill Clinton sent U.S. forces into a civil war, in a country that was no threat to the U.S., with no Congressional authorization or invocation of the War Powers Act.

rockmom on July 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Why is there a picture of Steven Speilberg with this topic? Isn’t he anti-war?

Oh, right, to shove the good news down his throat! Nice work HotAir!

Tony737 on July 16, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Iraq, prove it and we’ll be more then happy to move out of the neighborhood.

Limerick on July 16, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I hope that we keep training more Iraqi forces and I also hope that we have trained Iraqi forces so that they can train their own people.(thats the key)

Iraqi drill Sargent, and drill instructors.

Chakra Hammer on July 16, 2008 at 2:16 PM

“Mordor?”

D&D more likely.

NoDonkey on July 16, 2008 at 2:18 PM

“We aspire to reach to the 18th province before the end of this year …”

The end of the year, meaning before our Nov. elections. Hurry up and get it done before Obama screws it all up.

Tony737 on July 16, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Tony737 on July 16, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Mowaffaq al-Rubaie looks a lot like Spielberg, doesn’t he?

amerpundit on July 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM

… looks a lot like Spielberg, doesn’t he? – Amer

Put a baseball cap on his head and it’s him!

If the Dems and the MSM had united behind our president, and stayed united, we probably could have reached this goal several years ago and many thousands of deaths ago.

Calling Bush an idiot and his strategy hopeless, was equivalent to cheerleading for the terrorists, aiding their recruitment efforts and bolstering their will to win.

The Dems have blood on their hands.

fogw on July 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Best. Qoute. EVAH! This oughta be on billboards all over the country!

Tony737 on July 16, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Maliki wants long-term planning for either withdrawal or remaining, but Maliki specifically rejected timetables.

Their national-security adviser, Muwaffaq al-Rubaie, emphasized that the Iraqi government wants broad, general “timeline horizons”

PC Mad Hatter Update.

Out: “Timetables”.

In: “Timeline horizons”.

Heavens to Bill Clinton!

It all depends on what the meaning of lines is and what the meaning of tables is and what the meaning of sex is and what the meaning of is, is.

I think that it is time to cart them all off to the Funny Farm.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 2:26 PM

You don’t get Islam do you Ed?

BL@KBIRD on July 16, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Reuters still hasn’t read the news [about Maliki not asking for withdrawal]? Aren’t they supposed to tell others the news?

Maliki and the Iraqi army have made tremendous progress over the last few months, but hopefully he’s not looking through rose-colored glasses. American troops may no longer be leading the charge, but it’s nice (for Maliki) to know they’re still there.

Steve Z on July 16, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Again, here’s yet ANOTHER topic the Bush Admin. could and SHOULD be telling us about every week! Show maps of the areas under U.S. control as green and those under Iraqi control as blue. Give us maps from each period of turnover to show the progress being made. I’ve seen this done on C-Span, but it should be shown by the Bushies every Sunday on the major networks. but they’d rather just let History take its course.

Tony737 on July 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Let me guess: In the quest to expand our empire.

amerpundit on July 16, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Yes! Because of the OIIIIIL! And, uhh, PNAC AIPAC neocons! Bilderberger-approved! Did I leave anything out? Oh yeah… thermite!

/s

Gilda on July 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Iraq: We could take over security by year’s end

but

rely on American support. That will continue to be the case for the next several years who knows when

We could finish the work on your car by the end of the week

but

… … …

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 2:34 PM

You don’t get Islam do you Ed?

BL@KBIRD on July 16, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Just a wild guess on my part but I don’t think that any of Robert Spencer’s books on Ed’s reading table.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Being an ex Cav Trooper, I have always been of the belief that aggressive wars are the only way to fight a war. *grins*

coyoterex on July 16, 2008 at 3:17 PM

I loved Laura Ingraham’s comment on this. she said something along the lines of: “don’t pay any attention to it. It’s just for internal consumption.” The last sentence is verbatim.

Yeah, the government of a “free” country says something to its people, but nobody should take it seriously.

Lack of any ability to self-reflect is just mind-boggling.

freevillage on July 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM

coyoterex on July 16, 2008 at 3:17 PM

My thoughts exactly, minus the Cav experience, of course.

Nice to know my instinct is backed up by an experienced pro.

JadeNYU on July 16, 2008 at 3:32 PM

You don’t storm Normandy beach while the paratroopers are building girls schools behind enemy lines.

BL@KBIRD on July 16, 2008 at 3:37 PM

When you go to war with someone who doesn’t attack you and isn’t an imminent threat that is an aggressive war. We fight the wars with money we don’t have. These countries (Iraq and Iran) were and are not imminent threats to us, same as Clinton’s nonsense that conservatives correctly called as “policing the world”. I should know I am a conservative and I opposed Clinton’s wars too and his attempts to wiretap citizens. You knew who was begging Clinton to get more involved in his aggressive wars in Bosnia? The same jack@sses that sold you Iraq, Kristol, Kagan, and the PNAC crowd. They are anything but conservative, but as long as the propaganda keeps you guys salivating at the sound of the bell nothing will change. Do you guys ever wonder why Talk Radio shows cover damn near the same topics everyday, with the same arguments, and very similar language? Doesn’t it strike you as odd? Wake up.

And don’t even get me started on their influences. People like Leo Strauss whose spawn are atheists that believe it is proper to exploit religion to one’s own ends. They also have quite a Machiavelli fetish, of course they think him a “fallen angel”, meaning his fall from grace was being explicit about his tactics. These are really sick people and the willful blindness of the public is shocking. Now I know how the people that urged the lazy citizens in Germany to read “Mein Kampf” and see what they were really supporting felt like.

This is not some crazy conspiracy, there is a paper trail, written by them, they just know that you are too ignorant to investigate it and sadly I have to concede that point to them.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 3:46 PM

If everyone had stayed united behind the president, Rummy would still be running the show with no surge and no Patraeus.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM

……… but the US can’t drill for it’s own oil because there is no future in it.

Seven Percent Solution on July 16, 2008 at 4:06 PM

O o. When the Iraq interm president said this exact same headline Ried flew out to meet with Soros and Murtha made his “come back and fight, and we will leave speech”!!!

allrsn on July 16, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Everything the PNAC said about the middle east in general and Iraq specifically has turned out to be 100% correct.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 16, 2008 at 4:43 PM

If the Dems and the MSM had united behind our president, and stayed united, we probably could have reached this goal several years ago and many thousands of deaths ago.

Calling Bush an idiot and his strategy hopeless, was equivalent to cheerleading for the terrorists, aiding their recruitment efforts and bolstering their will to win.

The Dems have blood on their hands.

fogw on July 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM

We did reach this point several years ago. The then interm president told reporters we could begin pulling out our troops by the end of that year.

Reid flew out to meet with Soros and Murtha then gave his “come back and fight, and we will leave” speech. Guess what, they came back and fought.

This is easy to see if you referance the ‘Iraq monthly viloence chart’ that was released last month.

allrsn on July 16, 2008 at 4:45 PM

“When you go to war with someone who doesn’t attack you”

Really? Iraq was shooting at our pilots, they attempted to murder a former President and they were in cahoots with terrorist organizations.

I also seem to remember being in the Gulf War and Iraqis shooting at me. And oh gee, what ended that war? A cease fire. That Saddam violated with impunity, oil for bribes, etc.

It’s not conservative to continually back down and to ignore obviously imminent threats, it’s just stupid and cowardly.

NoDonkey on July 16, 2008 at 4:52 PM

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 16, 2008 at 4:43 PM

What the cakewalk? Oil would pay for the war? The great Sunni Shiite alliance? Saddam mobilizing against us? We went in with enough troops?
Please cut the BS.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 4:57 PM

The US government will drag its feet the whole time since the goal is not really to give the Iraqis their country back, but to give the Iraqis their country back less the permanent bases we will be launching our future agressive wars from.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM

NO OIL FOR BLOOD!

a capella on July 16, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Interesting. According to Rasmussen Reports more people believe we are winning the war on terror. Good news keeps coming from Iraq. Yet, GWB has an approval rating of 27% for his handling the war in Iraq. Obama and McCain are essentially tied when it comes to Americans trusting a candidate on Iraq. Does any of this make sense? I would think in this area GWB should be running high and McCain should be trouncing Obama.

duggersd on July 16, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Everything the PNAC said about the middle east in general and Iraq specifically has turned out to be 100% correct.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 16, 2008 at 4:43 PM

lol.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Please cut the BS.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 4:57 PM

I think that he was being sarcastic, but I could be wrong.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 5:04 PM

NoDonkey on July 16, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Do we have to go into April Glaspie again? We wouldn’t be there if we told them our intentions. How does “not getting involved in arab border disputes” become 500,000 troops mowing his third world army?

We could have won the Cold War if we just accepted victory. Like Ledeen says, if you don’t have a foriegn threat sometimes you have to create your own. Thank “god” I have these guys for my material because if I made it up myself I would sound like a conspiracy theorist.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 5:04 PM

I think that he was being sarcastic, but I could be wrong.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 5:04 PM

I guess you’re right, but you’ve been here long enough…stuff like that is a very gray area. Just think if you got all your news from Rush, HotAir, and FOXNEWS at night with the “Conservative Book of the month” next to your nightstand, saying something like that would not be too far off.

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Some individuals may have made those statements, but the PNAC never did. Someone as smart and awake as you should probably research how a think group works.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 16, 2008 at 5:08 PM

LevStrauss on July 16, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Let me put it this way, I hope he was being sarcastic.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 5:09 PM

research how a think group works.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 16, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Usually lots of group think.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Think tank. Minor slip.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 16, 2008 at 5:22 PM

“…Growing confidence, yes; timetables, no. Nouri al-Maliki’s office corrected the record on Monday, but apparently Reuters still hasn’t read the news.

What kind of correction is this?

“…Iraqi spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said in Baghdad on Wednesday that a U.S. pullout could be completed in several years. “It can be 2011 or 2012,” he said. “We don’t have a specific date in mind, but we need to agree on the principle of setting a deadline.”

One person’s confidence is another man’s timetable.

J_Gocht on July 16, 2008 at 5:48 PM

PC Mad Hatter Update.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Odd, my name used to be “The Mad Hatter”.

Theophile on July 16, 2008 at 6:35 PM

According to Rasmussen Reports more people believe we are winning the war on terror. Good news keeps coming from Iraq. Yet, GWB has an approval rating of 27% for his handling the war in Iraq. Obama and McCain are essentially tied when it comes to Americans trusting a candidate on Iraq. Does any of this make sense? I would think in this area GWB should be running high and McCain should be trouncing Obama.
duggersd

I would say that the reasons are:
1) Most Americans are burned out on the Iraq war and feel duped into supporting it ever since the main justification for going in (WMDs and transcontinental carrier systems) was proven to be untrue
2) Blowback and fatigue from the negative feedback regarding Abu Gharab, Gitmo, torture policies, etc.
3) Many Americans do not consider Iraq the main front in the WOT, particularly with the news that has been coming out of Afhganistan and Pakistan for many months
4) Many Americans are not happy about the spending and waste on Iraq (above reasons) in the current economic difficulties
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I actually don’t see this being the top issue come November compared to the economy. McCain and Obama’s positions are constantly inching towards each other, and by November I would imagine they will be a bit closer still. Both are talking about reducing troops in Iraq to send more in Afghanistan, and if Iraq won’t sign on without some kind of timetable or commitment to leave, that will push McCain a bit more towards Obama, leaving even less difference between the two of them.

okonkolo on July 16, 2008 at 6:55 PM

We aspire to reach to the 18th province before the end of this year. God willing, all provinces will be under the control of the Iraqi security authorities before the end of this year

OK: We should let this idiot commit suicide. Have at it, brother.

seanrobins on July 16, 2008 at 8:44 PM

That pic of Maliki…

I must say he looks very stately,

Not like the usual dingy and disgusting pimps we are used to.

Sonosam on July 16, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Too bad he cant run here,

ya think hed be a liberal? )

Sonosam on July 16, 2008 at 10:18 PM

That is as long as you don’t consider the terrorist groups that Saddam supported and funded to be “transcontinental carrier systems.”

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 16, 2008 at 10:44 PM

According to Rasmussen Reports more people believe we are winning the war on terror. Good news keeps coming from Iraq. Yet, GWB has an approval rating of 27% for his handling the war in Iraq. Obama and McCain are essentially tied when it comes to Americans trusting a candidate on Iraq. Does any of this make sense? I would think in this area GWB should be running high and McCain should be trouncing Obama.
duggersd
I would say that the reasons are:
1) Most Americans are burned out on the Iraq war and feel duped into supporting it ever since the main justification for going in (WMDs and transcontinental carrier systems) was proven to be untrue
2) Blowback and fatigue from the negative feedback regarding Abu Gharab, Gitmo, torture policies, etc.
3) Many Americans do not consider Iraq the main front in the WOT, particularly with the news that has been coming out of Afhganistan and Pakistan for many months
4) Many Americans are not happy about the spending and waste on Iraq (above reasons) in the current economic difficulties
*
I actually don’t see this being the top issue come November compared to the economy. McCain and Obama’s positions are constantly inching towards each other, and by November I would imagine they will be a bit closer still. Both are talking about reducing troops in Iraq to send more in Afghanistan, and if Iraq won’t sign on without some kind of timetable or commitment to leave, that will push McCain a bit more towards Obama, leaving even less difference between the two of them.

okonkolo on July 16, 2008 at 6:55 PM

More likely the reason it wouldn’t be the “top issue” would be because the MSM refuses to acknowledge that the War in Iraq is all but won, and that the vaunted Taliban in Afghanistan are still trying to win media battles by killing women in burkas, shooting at Americans from afar, because anytime they shoot from up close, they get their asses kicked at a ratio of 8:1 or more.

LevStrauss and MB4, as usual, do a fine job of foisting the liberal propaganda of unjust war, and we are obviously losing because the government just has an underhanded agenda and lies to us constantly. All positions worthy of the foulest Truther out there. All while claiming to be conservatives and yet espousing Obamanian tenets of government.

Methinks you liberals and RINOs are all just a little too wimpy to be trusted with the defense of anything, much less my country.

Subsunk

Subsunk on July 17, 2008 at 12:30 PM

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