Couple days ago he said of meeting with the Iranians…
“Perhaps he [Ahmadinejad] and Senator Obama can finally have that heart to heart.”

Now President Bush has put Senator McCain on quick ride into his favorite ditch!

“President Bush is sending a top US diplomat to meet Iran’s nuclear negotiator this weekend, a major break with his hardline stance towards Tehran and the closest contact between the countries since the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

Oh, O…and then this !

“The US plans to establish a diplomatic presence in Tehran for the first time in 30 years as part of a remarkable turnaround in policy by President George Bush.
The Guardian has learned that an announcement will be made in the next month to establish a US interests section – a halfway house to setting up a full embassy. The move will see US diplomats stationed in the country.

Seems to this pilgrim; Senator Obama was there months ago…?

You either lead, follow, or get out the way, Senator McCain!

Obama’s playbook was him talking directly with Iran’s leaders, with no preconditions. Anything after that were new versions as he wiggled his way out of it.

“…There’s no “direct presidential diplomacy” in the offing but otherwise it’s straight out of the Obama playbook.

It has become abundantly clear that most folks here have a “not invented here” neurosis.

Then again it’s also possible; that a more serious, continuing phobic delusion has reared its ugly head, all around?

What could go wrong?

Exit question: can we declare victory and go back to sleep now?

/sarc

I have said many times, extremes meet, guys and gals like MB4 have a lot more in common with Obama than they ever will with the GOP. They will claim otherwise but when virtually all of their arguments mirror Move On it is hard to ignore.

Perhaps they honestly believe that allowing Saddam to thumb his nose at the US and the world together with rebuilding his weapons programs and supporting terrorism, was actually in the long term best interests of the US and the region…but I don’t see how.

Now, if the US can do something with Iran like it did with NK, that would not be a bad thing. And they do know, thanks to the war in Iraq that we just might bring in the military. That gives diplomacy more of a chance to work.

Israel does not want war with Iran, but is afraid of them.

The USA will not talk to Iran to, possibly, ease tensions.

Israel conducts massive air war games.

The USA sends high level military to talk to the Israelis.

The USA sends envoy to meet with Iranians.

Have those clever Israelis done it again?

Smithers, get those B-2s in the air immediately.

Yes sir. Right away.

They’re the number two oil producer in OPEC. Fourth in the world. They don’t have to lift a gun to kneecap us. Turn off the spigot, and watch our economy go ffft.

Beat your chest all you want, but it ain’t happening. It would be suicide.

The iranian people to see a growing, free existence with some options.

Thats waht the muallahs are afraid of, cause thats whats gonna do them in.

Sonosam on July 16, 2008 at 10:07 PM
That’s rather difficult to picture. An Iraq that will cause Iran to “see the light” ???

Iran however, is run by imbeciles

Sonosam on July 16, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Iran may be run by “imbeciles”, as you say, but they sure seem to be outsmarting our “geniuses” these days.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 10:14 PM

I noticed you didnt bother comment on my supporting analysis,

that could mean a couple of things, none which complement you.

A president talking with a foreign leader or sending others to talk to him or his representitives is largely a distinction without much a difference.

And then he asks:

And just where did I say summit meeting?

See, his claim is that the president talking with another leader (i.e., a summitt meeting) is no different than sending an emissary to talk with other emissaries.

Oy.

Then he backtracks and tries to say that it was the lack of “pre-conditions”.

Even though there will be NO TALKS between the US and Iran during this meeting. So, pre-conditions aren’t even a factor. The emissary is there to listen about the possibility of setting up further meetings.

All of this is very preliminary. A change; but baby steps.

canopfor on July 16, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Heh. Well, let me say then, well attributed, instead.

But to compare that with a summitt meeting is flat out absurd.

SteveMG on July 16, 2008 at 10:07 PM

And just where did I say summit meeting? The same place where I supposedly said that DEBKA was an authoritative, presumably as in always gets everything 100% right, source? Where do you come up with all this extra stuff that you insert?

What I said was that the important thing was the pre-conditions or lack of same, rather than if the prez shows in the flesh rather than just his representative(s), as in -

Hope and change: Bush envoy to meet with Iran over nuke program
posted at 8:33 pm on July 16, 2008 by Allahpundit

There’s no “direct presidential diplomacy” in the offing but otherwise it’s straight out of the Obama playbook. Preconditions? Duly dropped

You do know what “Preconditions? Duly dropped” means don’t you? You do know that a presidents representatives speak for the president don’t you?

“Debating” you is like “debating” a child.

Iran may be run by “imbeciles”, as you say, but they sure seem to be outsmarting our “geniuses” these days.

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 10:14 PM

How? I must have missed that.

And how long will it be before Afghanistan becomes the bad war?

Terrye on July 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM

It’s in the works.

Now picture a free and independent Iraq prospering

Sonosam on July 16, 2008 at 10:07 PM

That’s rather difficult to picture. An Iraq that will cause Iran to “see the light” ???

Iran however, is run by imbeciles

Sonosam on July 16, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Iran may be run by “imbeciles”, as you say, but they sure seem to be outsmarting our “geniuses” these days.

Mr. Burns [the US emissary] will neither meet privately nor negotiate directly with [Iranian negotiator Saeed] Jalili, administration and European officials said. They expect his attendance to be a one-time event in what are being described as “pre-negotiations” on the shape and timing of more substantive talks. Ms. Rice told Mr. Solana that Mr. Burns would be there “to listen,” one official added.

Yes, some people believe that is the same thing as Bush meeting one-on-one with Ahmadinejad without conditions.

A US emissary sitting in on multiparty talks with Iran is analogous – no, scratch that – the same thing as the President meeting face-to-face with the Iranian leader.

As they say in Tehran, Oy.

To be sure, it’s a change in the White House’s policies.

But to compare that with a summitt meeting is flat out absurd.

SteveMG on July 16, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Did you even read, for comprehension, what AP wrote?

There’s no “direct presidential diplomacy” in the offing but otherwise it’s straight out of the Obama playbook. Preconditions? Duly dropped

Do you think that AP is a crank or A LYING LAIR WHO TELLS LIES maybe?

Good Lord.

Sonosam on July 16, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Do you think that it does that?

MB4 on July 16, 2008 at 9:48 PM

I do in the sense that though the story is put to the public as if we are on the time line.

I dont think thats true and Ill tell you why,

We all know that iran and other oil rich radicals are no more responsible than trust fund baby. They are incompetents who at the moment can buy their way out of trouble.

As long as that is status quo in the middle east these regimes have nothing to fear.

Now picture a free and independent Iraq prospering from their ability to trade outside sanctions while being able to pump fuel from the ground more easily than iran because thats the way it is combined with the fact that they have the best oil explorers at their service, US )

Iran however, is run by imbeciles, they have a crumbling civil air fleet to go with their crumbling infrastructure
to go with their greatest achievement, a crumbling oil industry. LOL!

When you live in a one horse town, you take care of your horse.

Not clifford and bartholomew though, they run the effer into the ground. Hell, they have to send their oil to be refined, they have fuel shortages.

Meanwhile, an unconstrained Iraq is getting stronger with our help, the best you can get.

How do you think that will play on most iranians and syrians?
Time is really on our side and I hope that the envoys message is one they wont publicise.

MB4 on July 16,2008 at 9:57PM.

MB4:Are u shur it be on dis sight,cause
im sure not eware ov it!(Kidding MB4)haha:)

SteveMG on July 16, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Looks like it is necessary to say it again. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Read what is written and don’t put extra stuff in there.

All indications are the the U.S. representative of the President is there without pre-conditions, which is the important thing, not if the prez is there in the flesh.