Video: McCain flip-flops on the DREAM Act — or does he?

posted at 11:15 am on July 15, 2008 by Allahpundit

The boss says yes, I say not really. Here’s the clip from the DNC, juxtaposing Maverick’s answer to a questioner at the La Raza conference yesterday with what he told righty bloggers in a conference call last October:

Truncating quotes to fit their agenda is a DNC specialty so I e-mailed Patrick Hynes, McCain’s web liaison, to see if he had a transcript of the full answer McCain gave to the questioner. Quote:

QUESTIONER: Hi. I’m a part of One Dream 2009 and I am one of the 6 million who either have an undocumented parent or is undocumented and I wanted to know if you would support humanity all around the world and support our Dream Act that we are trying to pass.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN: Yes. Yes. Thank you. But I will also enforce the existing laws of a country. And a nation’s first requirement is the nation’s security, and that’s why we have to have our borders secured. But, we can have a way and a process of people obtaining citizenship in this country. And, we cannot penalize people who come here legally and people who wait legally. And so, that’s a fundamental principle on which we have to operate. Thank you.

That’s not inconsistent with what he told the bloggers. Watch the clip again; he said he’d vote no on the DREAM Act because we haven’t secured the borders yet. He’s not opposed to it in principle, in other words, he simply wants to delay passage until he has something to show conservatives by way of enforcement — as John McCain defines “enforcement” — and then Congress can have its amnesty jamboree. Feel better?

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Someone needs to have McCain define what a secure border is.

Valiant on July 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Should have gone like this:

QUESTIONER: Hi. I’m a part of One Dream 2009 and I am one of the 6 million who either have an undocumented parent or is undocumented and I wanted to know if you would support humanity all around the world and support our Dream Act that we are trying to pass.

McCain: Could you please grab your undocumented parent and see those officials over there? Thank you.

Of course he supports the Dream Act. He still wants amnesty. He just needs to pay some border enforcement lip service to get elected.

Darksean on July 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM

I’m sick of candidates giving mixed messages. They are certainly able to deliver a message clearly and succinctly. That they chose not to, tells me all I need to know. We are constantly being played.

Blake on July 15, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Feel better?

No. He WILL pass the DREAM Act. He WON’T secure the border.

Michelle on July 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM

One of the big problems I am having with both thrilled-packed choices for President this time around is that I have yet to hear from either one of them exactly what their definition of a “secure border” is. I would love to see just one reporter or interviewer ask them for just this one single definition and then allow neither to try to weasel-word their way out until they give a clear concise answer.

pilamaye on July 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Well, a little, but no. Both candidates suck on this issue, so no protest vote will get the point across. Probably the best we can hope for is that our borders are secured, which won’t make much of a difference. We’ll still see an increase after amnesty is granted. But at least we’ll get our pacifier.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Its interesting to me that no one bothers to look at the cost of the dream act.

College tuition is constantly rising. They have limited resources, and some classes are very hard to get into. Colleges themselves get public money to help them run…

Its basic supply and demand right now, more students competing for resources.

So, why is McCain willing to support the “Dream Act”… or the continuation of Publicly funded education benefits for those who break our laws?

And I find the questioners numbers interesting… she said there were 6 million who need the program. That would mean 6 million illegals of College AGE???? That would put the total number of illegals here in the 40+ million range…

Romeo13 on July 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM

McCain wake up! Does the word illegals mean anything to you?

jencab on July 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM

No. He WILL pass the DREAM Act. He WON’T secure the border.

Michelle on July 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Oooohhh crap.

Get her JetBoy! Get her, _man! Get her, right2bright! Get her, Terrye!

This “Michelle” person is obviously a McCain-deranged, leftist Obama plant. I’ll bet she’s also a LYING LIAR WHO LIES ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN!

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM

The boss says yes, I say not really.

its usually not a good idea to publicly disagree with the boss.

right4life on July 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM

its usually not a good idea to publicly disagree with the boss.

right4life on July 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM

She’s a good boss. She can take it.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM

No. He WILL pass the DREAM Act. He WON’T secure the border.

Michelle on July 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM

AP you should never disagree with a lady…especially when you work for her!!

right4life on July 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM

She’s a good boss. She can take it.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM

come on, I’m married….I know how vicious women can be!! :)

ok, I like em a little vicious….

right4life on July 15, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Feel better?

Yep. Better that he stays on message that he heard the call of the L&0 crowd, and better that HA continues to be willing to give out the Castor oil along with the sugar pills. There is a pleasure zone in gobsmacked.

Limerick on July 15, 2008 at 11:33 AM

One of the big problems I am having with both thrilled-packed choices for President this time around is that I have yet to hear from either one of them exactly what their definition of a “secure border” is. I would love to see just one reporter or interviewer ask them for just this one single definition and then allow neither to try to weasel-word their way out until they give a clear concise answer.

pilamaye on July 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM

I’m not sure, but I think that McCain’s idea of securing the border is to put Vice President Cheney on the border with his quail gun.

Funny thing is it would probably work.

Snake307 on July 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM

The boss says yes

I love me some Michelle commentary, but I’ve had to lay off her site as of late. It’s become like your one-stop shop for all reasons not to vote for McCain.

amerpundit on July 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM

And I’m sure she wants MASS DEPORTATION, jack-boot style, to concentration camps, and then, on to the killing fields!

She also seems to be obsessed about illegal immigration, though most Americans don’t care a bit about it, as evidenced by that idiot Hostettler who ran on a hard-line position, who lost to a Democrat (who ran to his RIGHT on immigration).

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Nightmare!

omnipotent on July 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Someone needs to have McCain define what a secure border is.

Valiant on July 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM

You are going to have to ask Schwarzenegger, Napolitano, Richardson, and Perry this question. They are the chosen ones who will determine the future course of our immigration policy under a President McCain.

Mark1971 on July 15, 2008 at 11:37 AM

What a train wreck we have coming.

Big Orange on July 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM

Feel better?

Nope. I don’t trust that man one bit.

Zetterson on July 15, 2008 at 11:41 AM

In theory, an 18-year-old foreigner who came to Texas illegally at age 4, with illegal parents, is a foreigner. But in practice, in every other way you could measure, they’re a Texan who’s very likely to live and work in Texas for the next fifty years–the home they know. That would be McCain’s (and Orrin Hatch’s) point about the Dream Act.

RBMN on July 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM

RBMN on July 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM

It’s not about foreigner or Texan, it’s about breaking the law or not breaking the law.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM

RBMN on July 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM

And my responce would then be:

So, we’ve already given them a FREE education up to now? Isn’t that enough reward for those who are breaking the law?

Romeo13 on July 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM

It’s not about foreigner or Texan, it’s about breaking the law or not breaking the law.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM

And getting free education when me and my children (you know, the ones who were actually BORN here) will have to pay through the nose and rack up debt to do the same thing.

Darksean on July 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Obama would have just adopted the questioner and his illegal relatives on the spot.

Better a pitbull with one tooth than a poodle with all gums.

profitsbeard on July 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM

And I’m sure she wants MASS DEPORTATION, jack-boot style, to concentration camps, and then, on to the killing fields!
misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM

And you’ve got something substantive to back up your claims about jack boot concentration camps and killing fields, right?

Face it, your over-the-top rhetoric is part of the problem. Conservatives can’t call for sane immigration/ border security measures without people like you getting out there screaming “racist” and spouting lies about conservatives wanting to kill off all the illegals.

highhopes on July 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Well if we legalize them the DREAM act becomes moot. If they are not illegal then they can receive in-state tuition and federal monies.

States that have been giving in-state tuition are violating federal law and are liable for those actions. The DREAM Act would provide states immunity from prosecution. That is who really needs the DREAM Act.

Theworldisnotenough on July 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM

highhopes on July 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Sarcasm, highhopes. Watch the friendly fire.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Sarcasm, highhopes. Watch the friendly fire.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Indeed, but the point is also spot on.

Darksean on July 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Indeed, but the point is also spot on.

Darksean on July 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM

On the right targets, yes, very much so. It’s amazing how a conversation on the law turned into a conversation on racism.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM

So someone is here on vacation, an immigrant, they have a baby and that baby is now a citizen of the U.S., is that right?

right2bright on July 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM

highhopes on July 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM

I think he was just being sarcastic..

right4life on July 15, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Feel better?

No. He WILL pass the DREAM Act. He WON’T secure the border.

Michelle on July 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Absolutely, unequivocally RIGHT.

McCain will pass the DREAM Act – guaranteed – because he is a co-sponsor.

He’s joined with these illustrious morons, including Obama, to perpetrate this travesty on the American people:

Sen Bayh, Evan [IN]
Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [DE]
Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM]
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA]
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA]
Sen Chafee, Lincoln [RI]
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY]
Sen Coleman, Norm [MN]
Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME]
Sen Craig, Larry E. [ID]
Sen Crapo, Mike [ID]
Sen Dayton, Mark [MN]
Sen DeWine, Mike [OH]
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI]
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA]
Sen Hagel, Chuck [NE]
Sen Harkin, Tom [IA]
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA]
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA]
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT]
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT]
Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN]
Sen McCain, John [AZ]
Sen Nelson, Bill [FL]
Sen Obama, Barack [IL]
Sen Pryor, Mark L. [AR]
Sen Reid, Harry [NV]

Excellent company of traitors this man keeps, no?

McCain’s mealy-mouthed answer above is a dodge.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM

So someone is here on vacation, an immigrant, they have a baby and that baby is now a citizen of the U.S., is that right?

right2bright on July 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM

If that immigrant wants her baby to be a citizen. I believe there would still be paperwork to fill out.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 12:25 PM

We’ll have secure borders only after the next attack inside the U.S. by a terrorist who waltzed in through Mexico. It’s going to keep going in the “too-hard” box, just like Social Security reform. Our elected national officeholders never do anything that is too hard, unless and until they have no choice. Look at how many years we put up with Saddam Hussein’s madness. Look at how the Congress is only now getting serious about regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac now that a government takeover is looming. The prevailing policy is always “everything’s fine,” until it isn’t.

We get the government we deserve. We keep reelecting pusillanimous people who can’t take any serious action against any threats, foreign or domestic. Has there been a single member of Congress defeated because of failure to secure the borders??? This is our own damn fault.

rockmom on July 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM

So someone is here on vacation, an immigrant, they have a baby and that baby is now a citizen of the U.S., is that right?

right2bright on July 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM

It should never work that way. The Fourteenth Amendment has been so distorted and abused by chain immigration that is it not recognizable for it’s intent. However, such an extrapolation is not unreasonable considering the excesses of Anchor Baby citizenship.

The Fourteenth Amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

That means that “persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States” would not be considered U.S. citizens despite their having been born in the U.S.

Obviously, tourists and illegal immigrants are aliens, subject to the jurisdiction of their native countries, and therefore not due citizenship. The practice of Anchor Baby automatic citizenship unConstitutional.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM

rockmom on July 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Exactly.

Kafir on July 15, 2008 at 12:41 PM

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM

WTF,
I dont even rate status as a McCain shill.

Geez

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Larry Craig,
I thought he was uber conservative to over-compensate for being a…ahem…stall enthusiast

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Of course he supports the Dream Act. He still wants amnesty. He just needs to pay some border enforcement lip service to get elected.

Darksean on July 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Ding…Ding…Ding…..

BINGO

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM

And I’m sure she wants MASS DEPORTATION, jack-boot style, to concentration camps, and then, on to the killing fields!

Hyperbole anyone?

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM

right2bright on July 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM

After thinking about your position last night, I asked you your opinion on the obama ICE page.

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Who are you nativist bastards conservatives going to believe, me or your own eyes?
- Juan McScorpion

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Well, Larry Craig has been a lot of things, but conservative has never been one of ‘em. ;)

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:48 PM

So someone is here on vacation, an immigrant, they have a baby and that baby is now a citizen of the U.S., is that right?

right2bright on July 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM

To me, any woman about to give birth any day should not be on the road. That seems to be common sense. I suspect any woman who is,, is up to something disingenuous.

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 12:49 PM

No. He WILL pass the DREAM Act. He WON’T secure the border.

Michelle on July 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM

So sad , but so true. I want to spend some money to fight this insanity, but don’t know of any legit program that will re-define the message from nativist bigots to law and order.

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 12:55 PM

WTF,
I dont even rate status as a McCain shill.

Geez

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Oops. Sorry. It was an error of omission, Squish. You are indeed a McCain shill. But my impression is that you aren’t quite as obnoxious, you don’t make quite as many straw-man arguments, you don’t call quite as many names, and you even occasionally use logic.

You take more of the “oh, come on, you bloodthirsty extremists, can’t we be mature and reasonable about this” angle. Like Jet, but he can’t refrain from snarking about how of COURSE we really secretly want mass deportation.

Now don’t go getting a big head and walk around with your chest puffed out.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM

The Boxer-Crapo bill. Big box o’ crap-o.

The Crapobama bill.

The Pryor-McCain bill. The one before the one who was tough on immigration.

The Dayton-Craig bill. What’s worse, datin’ Craig, or datin’ Kennedy?

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 12:57 PM

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 12:57 PM

You just brought a tear to my eye.

What’s worse, datin’ Craig, or datin’ Kennedy?

Dating Craig, your bum hurts, but at least your alive.

And he might buy you flowers after.

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM

how of COURSE we really secretly want mass deportation.

You enforce hiring laws, there will likely not be as many to justify “Mass” Deportation.

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 1:04 PM

There’s no point in parsing McCain. His actions tell all: pro-open borders and scr*w citizens. American Citizens Nativists can eat it with illegal alien crime and a busted medical system. He’s for corporatists, left-wing fraudsters, the ruling class, and, most important of all, himself. McCain is a clumsy, mendacious Bush III, but I repeat myself.

Feedie on July 15, 2008 at 1:15 PM

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Hear, hear! Excellent post!

dominigan on July 15, 2008 at 1:15 PM

He WILL pass the DREAM Act. He WON’T secure the border.

Michelle on July 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM

But THEN-

He WILL say ‘My friends’. He WILL smirk. He WILL do a little jig …

It’s in his nature.

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 1:21 PM

There’s no point in parsing McCain. His actions tell all

Feedie on July 15, 2008 at 1:15 PM

By John McCain’s McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill, by his McCain/Feingold anti free speech bill, by his Al Gore Global Warming worship, by his Gang of Fourteen, by his “My friends” snicker, by his “FUC# you, I know more than anyone else in this room!” by his expression – By each of these things the man’s calling is plainly revealed. That all united should fail to enlighten any competent inquirer in this matter is almost inconceivable.

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM

rockmom on July 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM

There is nothing like a smoking hole in the ground where Chicago used to be, as a wakeup call that perhaps there is a problem. I hope we don’t have to watch people jumping out of skyscrapers again.

a capella on July 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM

You enforce hiring laws, there will likely not be as many to justify “Mass” Deportation.

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Hey, we agree! Hold the employers accountable and the opportunity for illegal employment will dry up and self-deportation will occur. Follow your boy McCain’s policies and we end up with economic chaos, millions of new illegals, and borders not one bit more secure than they were a decade ago.

highhopes on July 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Oooohhh crap.

Get her JetBoy! Get her, _man! Get her, right2bright! Get her, Terrye!

This “Michelle” person is obviously a McCain-deranged, leftist Obama plant. I’ll bet she’s also a LYING LIAR WHO LIES ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN!

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM

The tragic trio are probably getting their heads together right now with their supervisor Juan Hernandez to come up with a killer response. Maybe something about “God’s children” or concentration camps.

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM

The reasons for distrust of McCain and lack of support from conservatives is a often-posted list that includes McCain’s abridgement of the Constitution’s First Amendment, his blatant attempt at amnesty without legitimate border security measures, his inclination to support Democrat initiatives before showing party loyalty, etc….

My question is this. Why are all the McCain moonbats so rabid in their attack of those who post these legitimate concerns instead of ever defending the man with anything more than “he’s better than Obama.” I’d feel a whole lot more comfortable with McCain as President if somebody on the GOP side came up with a legitimate set of reasons to vote FOR McCain. As it is, McCain continues to put out the same old lies and his backers call anything but unquestioning support of a lackluster candidate as MDS.

highhopes on July 15, 2008 at 1:38 PM

I’d feel a whole lot more comfortable with McCain as President if somebody on the GOP side came up with a legitimate set of reasons to vote FOR McCain

because he cares* more than you racist, bigoted, homophibic, redneck conservatives…

*about getting his lawn work done as cheaply as possible..

right4life on July 15, 2008 at 1:45 PM

That would put the total number of illegals here in the 40+ million range…

Romeo13 on July 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! You got it.

mrsmwp on July 15, 2008 at 1:49 PM

*about getting his lawn work done as cheaply as possible..

right4life on July 15, 2008 at 1:45 PM

And don’t forget the sacred lettuce. I maen who wants to have to pay what it would cost for a head of lettuce if you had to pay lazy incompetent American’s $50 or more an hour to pick it?

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM

That would put the total number of illegals here in the 40+ million range…

Romeo13 on July 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! You got it.

mrsmwp on July 15, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Or as Juan McVain, Juan Hernandez, JetBoy, right2bright and Terrye would say, “It’s a start”.

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM

I’d feel a whole lot more comfortable with McCain as President if somebody on the GOP side came up with a legitimate set of reasons to vote FOR McCain

I would as well. Saying that he’s better than Obama on issue X is really getting old. Voting against Bush was a loser strategy in ’04. Voting against Obama will likely be the same.

Anyone who believes otherwise is overly optimistic.

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 1:56 PM

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM

sacred lettuce

thats a good one!

of course we’d starve without our mexican serfs to do our dirty work…

I wonder how cap’n queeg thinks our ancestors survived without mexicans to do their dirty work? hell my father went to california in the 30s and picked fruits and veggies….and then fought for his country in WWII…but those are the jobs americans won’t do…

its extremely insulting.

right4life on July 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Or as Juan McVain, Juan Hernandez, JetBoy, right2bright and Terrye would say, “It’s a start”.

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM

That is too funny!

mrsmwp on July 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM

What is less well known about the DREAM Act is that it also allows illegal aliens to receive in-state tuition rates at public universities, discriminating against U.S. citizens from out of state and law-abiding foreign students. It repeals a 1996 federal law that pro­hibits any state from offering in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens unless the state also offers in-state tuition rates to all U.S. citizens.

You know, it’s things like this that make me want to make threats to public officials. At least the Democrats are looking after their own interests. But what in the world are any Republicans doing on this list?

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 2:45 PM

The boss says yes, I say not really.

I don’t know why, but MM–as well as Rush–are often brilliant, yet they get desperate & petty & illogical & contradictory when bashing McCain.

jgapinoy on July 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM

highhopes on July 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Dude, have you ever even been on this blog.

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 3:18 PM

highhopes on July 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Ive been pretty clear that I disagree with him on this.

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 3:21 PM

You know… it just struck me…

McCain is the beneficiary of a law he wrote himself?

McCain Feingold put public funding into place, and he is DIRECTLY reaping the benefits of that law. I’m not sure that he could afford to run without it… especialy with how he is pandering to everyone, but his party base.

Romeo13 on July 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM

That would put the total number of illegals “God’s Children” here in the 40+ million range…

Romeo13 on July 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Your welcome.

catmman on July 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM

You ask “McCain flip-flops on the DREAM Act — or does he?” and I must answer yes he did… read here:
John Mccain Says He Will Stop ICE Raids And Will Support The Dream Act

markedmanner on July 15, 2008 at 10:41 PM