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Obama delivers big Iraq speech brimming with crap you’ve heard before; Update: Lieberman unloads

posted at 3:26 pm on July 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Say Anything wonders why he didn’t wait until after his trip to deliver it, but why go through the charade? Eleven percent of Democrats and 19 percent of independents already think he’s “abandoning voters that got him nominated” on Iraq. He’s not going to push them any further, no matter what Petraeus tells him. So here’s the speech, packed top to bottom with familiar Obama foreign policy boilerplate — and a notable exception or two — designed to assure the left that he’s still the same old Barry they know and marginally prefer to Hillary. The requisite lip service to the surge is duly paid, minus any acknowledgment that not only was he wrong about it but, per Hitchens’s conclusion to yesterday’s Slate piece, his own policy might have broken the country irretrievably:

It has been 18 months since President Bush announced the surge. As I have said many times, our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering the level of violence. General Petraeus has used new tactics to protect the Iraqi population. We have talked directly to Sunni tribes that used to be hostile to America, and supported their fight against al Qaeda. Shiite militias have generally respected a cease-fire. Those are the facts, and all Americans welcome them.

It speaks volumes that he felt obliged to include that last line. Absent from the rest of the Iraq passage is the language tying troop levels to “stability” that made his remarks about refining his plan a few weeks ago so tantalizing; in its place he’s added a few lines about the progress of Iraqi security forces, which I guess is acting here as a proxy for “stability.” He expects them to be ready by 2009, which should give him plenty of time to implement his logistically impossible 16-month withdrawal plan.

As for Iran, what’s missing from the following?

We cannot tolerate nuclear weapons in the hands of nations that support terror. Preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons is a vital national security interest of the United States. No tool of statecraft should be taken off the table, but Senator McCain would continue a failed policy that has seen Iran strengthen its position, advance its nuclear program, and stockpile 150 kilos of low enriched uranium. I will use all elements of American power to pressure the Iranian regime, starting with aggressive, principled and direct diplomacy – diplomacy backed with strong sanctions and without preconditions.

There will be careful preparation. I commend the work of our European allies on this important matter, and we should be full partners in that effort. Ultimately the measure of any effort is whether it leads to a change in Iranian behavior. That’s why we must pursue these tough negotiations in full coordination with our allies, bringing to bear our full influence – including, if it will advance our interests, my meeting with the appropriate Iranian leader at a time and place of my choosing.

We will pursue this diplomacy with no illusions about the Iranian regime. Instead, we will present a clear choice. If you abandon your nuclear program, support for terror, and threats to Israel, there will be meaningful incentives. If you refuse, then we will ratchet up the pressure, with stronger unilateral sanctions; stronger multilateral sanctions in the Security Council, and sustained action outside the UN to isolate the Iranian regime. That’s the diplomacy we need. And the Iranians should negotiate now; by waiting, they will only face mounting pressure.

My knock on him all along on Iran has been (a) that he has no plan B in case negotiations fail since the left implicitly is prepared to let Iran have the bomb, and (b) that the only real difference between his approach and Bush’s is that he thinks giving Iran a personal audience with His Messianic Awesomeness is somehow going to change their minds. Tell me, based on this, how I’m wrong. If the part about not being able to tolerate nukes in the hands of terrorist states is significant, then why isn’t it reinforced with a specific threat to attack if negotiations don’t work out? Read the speech and you’ll see he has no qualms about threatening to go into Pakistan if we spot Osama on the radar screen — another Bush policy, as it turns out, and one that Pakistan has evidently already agreed to.

There’s more, including Obama ever so ironically chastising McCain for maintaining his posture on troop levels irrespective of the security situation, but it doesn’t take long to read so pick through it. I want to end with a question I asked yesterday, though, since it’s important and it’s getting short shrift. What should we make of the fact that Obama’s promising to send two more combat brigades to Afghanistan even though, both anecdotally and statistically, support on the left for the war there is drying up? If there are any objections to his plan among the nutroots, I haven’t seen them. In which case, who’s the liar here? Is it the left, willing to go along in the interests of the election to help sell Obama as a hawk to independents, or is it Obama himself, falsely promising to deploy troops for the same reason even though he secretly doesn’t intend to? I’m willing to take him at his word in this case but I wonder how he plans to deal with the left once he’s in office and finds they’re not nearly as gung ho for the big Afghan push as he is. Or does he think, a la Iran, that through sheer charisma he can pull them back on board?

Update: Lowry feels the landscape starting to shift on Afghanistan, too, culminating in the same hunch I had six months ago.

Update: Joementum’s quest for Bush-like approval ratings among the left continues:

“Sen. Obama said this morning that he wants a foreign policy that is tough, smart and principled,” said Lieberman. “This afternoon I want to ask my colleague who I respect and like a couple of direct questions: Was it tough when Sen. Obama voted to order U.S. troops to retreat from Iraq on a fixed timeline regardless of the recommendations of our military commanders or conditions on the ground? Was it smart when Sen. Obama opposed the surge and predicted that it would fail to improve our security? … Was it tough and principled when Sen. Obama said he would be open to changing his plan on Iraq after going there and talking to General Petraeus, which I think was the right position, only to change that position hours later after being heatedly criticized by organizations like MoveOn.org? I say respectfully the answer to all those questions is, no.”


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If you refuse, then we will ratchet up the pressure, with stronger unilateral sanctions;

WOOOOOOO…. Iran is shaking in their Turbins!

WTF is Obama going to do? Threaten them with Daisies???? This guy is an idiot… his wife is a traitorous wench and his kids are a “mistake” via his own mouth.

We are SCREWED!

upinak on July 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM

upinak on July 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Oh, snap!

wise_man on July 15, 2008 at 3:31 PM

“As I have said many times, our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering the level of violence. – Obama”

Really………………….?

………….. Prove it!

Seven Percent Solution on July 15, 2008 at 3:33 PM

When is Obama’s trip to Iraq?

Chuck Schick on July 15, 2008 at 3:33 PM

If anyone can make the United States into a third-world nation ripe for subjugation by foreign forces, it’s Osama Obama.

Which one will attack first after Jan. 20th?

MrScribbler on July 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM

upinak on July 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM

I do wish you’d stop holding back. Tell us what you really think. :-)

Oldnuke on July 15, 2008 at 3:36 PM

As for Iran, what’s missing from the following?

OOH! OOH! PICK ME! PICK ME!

The lack of a threat to use military force.

Tony737 on July 15, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Obama delivers big Iraq speech brimming with crap you’ve heard before

LOL. AP, you were missed.

baldilocks on July 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Say Anything wonders why he didn’t wait until after his trip to deliver it

Heck everybody was like WhyTF is yapping about this before trip?

baldilocks on July 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Thank goodness November is still a long way off — plenty of time left for him to continue making an ass out of himself.

What a tool.

spidgy on July 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

It’s as if the Democrats are seeking a CEO for our country that won’t focus on building it bigger and better, but rather will position it for a takeover by someone else so they can all cash out and retire.

Texas Rainmaker on July 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

is he yapping

baldilocks on July 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

In which case, who’s the liar here? Is it the left, willing to go along in the interests of the election to help sell Obama as a hawk to independents, or is it Obama himself, falsely promising to deploy troops for the same reason even though he secretly doesn’t intend to?

I think it’s simply that wars aren’t a problem for the left if a Democrat is in office. See Clinton, WJ.

It’s like magic. You can’t argue with it or try to make sense of it, it just happens.

MamaAJ on July 15, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Spitballs 2008.

Niko on July 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM

I just wonder how he plans to deal with the left once he’s in office and finds they’re not nearly gung ho for the big Afghan push as he is.

The same way McCain plans on dealing with the right on immigration. Defy them on the issue and convince the center you can govern effectively and you won’t be as dependent on your base.

Mark1971 on July 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM

I haven’t seen much mention of Afghanistan on DU, other than to use it against Bush. They seem too busy purging the Clintonites, coming up with clever new nouns to follow “Mc”, and justifying Obama’s FISA vote to put much thought into policy beyond election day.

Like HRC said, you don’t need to fall in love, just fall in line.

rw on July 15, 2008 at 3:47 PM

McCain comes out swinging

McCain scathingly responded to a major foreign policy address by Obama, by declaring the “status quo” in Afghanistan, as violence rises, was not acceptable, and accused his rival of wanting to lose the war in Iraq.

“Today we know Senator Obama was wrong. The surge has succeeded and because of its success, the next President will inherit a situation in Iraq in which America’s enemies are on the run,” McCain said in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

The Arizona senator, who had long called for a troop escalation strategy in Iraq finally introduced last year, said the surge was a model for how to defeat insurgents and radicals in Afghanistan.

“The status quo in Afghanistan is not acceptable. Security in Afghanistan has deteriorated and our enemies are on the offensive,” McCain said.

“Senator Obama will tell you we can’t win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq,” McCain said, referring to the Illinois senator’s plan to withdraw most U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months and send two extra combat brigades to the Afghan war.

“In fact, he has it exactly backwards, it is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan.

“With the right strategy and the right forces, we can succeed in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I know how to win wars.”

McCain said he would ensure that U.S. commanders in Afghanistan would get three more combat brigades they need in Afghanistan – up to 15,000 men including support and headquarters troops.

He also said that it was time to double to size of the Afghan army to 160,000 troops, and warned U.S. allies would have to help pay for the increase.

The Arizona senator also pledged to appoint a presidential envoy to navigate the geopolitical “chessboard” in Afghanistan, where the country’s neighbors jostle for influence.

McCain also backed efforts to help Pakistan’s civilian government to defeat radicalism, but also hit out at Obama’s threats to act against al-Qaida in Pakistan if the government in Islamabad would not.

“Senator Obama has spoken in public about taking unilateral military action in Pakistan,” McCain said.

“In trying to sound tough, he has made it harder for the people whose support we most need to provide it. I will not bluster, and I will not make idle threats.

“But understand this: when I am commander-in-chief, there will be nowhere the terrorists can run, and nowhere they can hide.

“I will get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice, I will do that for the crimes he has committed against the people of this nation,” he said, sparking cheers from his audience at the town-hall meeting in New Mexico.

William Amos on July 15, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Go Joe!

Esthier on July 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

It’s all a show.

baldilocks on July 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM

It’s like magic. You can’t argue with it or try to make sense of it, it just happens.

MamaAJ on July 15, 2008 at 3:40 PM

That is why a while back, he put ‘Faith’ in front of his “Hope” and “Change” message.

You’ve gotta have Faith!

Sir Napsalot on July 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM

If hes’ afraid to debate McCain in a townhall setting then I’m pretty sure most of the American people don’t want him prostrating himself in front of a bunch of nutcase jihadis intent on destroying Israel and the U.S.

Hard telling what he might committ us to when Immanutjob gets him alone and asks him a tough question or two.

Any reporters out there willing to risk their careers pointing this out to the big eared Messiah?

dhunter on July 15, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Gotta love Lieberman.

LtE126 on July 15, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Was he wearing a flag pin when he said it?

swami on July 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM

And, predictably at Huffpo, Lieberman is attacked for being Jewish in the comments.

I love it when the Left helpfully reminds me of all the reasons I don’t respect them.

nailinmyeye on July 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Imagine, for a moment, what we could have done in those days, and months, and years after 9/11.

We could have deployed the full force of American power to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, the Taliban, and all of the terrorists responsible for 9/11, while supporting real security in Afghanistan.

We could have secured loose nuclear materials around the world, and updated a 20th century non-proliferation framework to meet the challenges of the 21st.

We could have invested hundreds of billions of dollars in alternative sources of energy to grow our economy, save our planet, and end the tyranny of oil.

We could have strengthened old alliances, formed new partnerships, and renewed international institutions to advance peace and prosperity.

We could have called on a new generation to step into the strong currents of history, and to serve their country as troops and teachers, Peace Corps volunteers and police officers.

We could have secured our homeland—investing in sophisticated new protection for our ports, our trains and our power plants.

We could have rebuilt our roads and bridges, laid down new rail and broadband and electricity systems, and made college affordable for every American to strengthen our ability to compete.

We could have done that.

Instead, we have lost thousands of American lives, spent nearly a trillion dollars, alienated allies and neglected emerging threats – all in the cause of fighting a war for well over five years in a country that had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

Alright.

I’ll give him all that.

Let’s say we’d done all that and not deposed Saddam.

I think if Barry wants to make his case that the world would be a safer place and America would be safer with Saddam and the rape room brothers still in place and in power in Iraq then he needs to come out and say so or someone–anyone–in the media needs to ask him the question directly.

Would the sanctions still be in place?

How?

Would oil-for-food still be operating? Would France and Germany and the UN still be on the take?

Would we still have forces in Saudia Arabia keeping the lid on Saddam’s box, and if we did, why is that different from having them in Iraq killing jihadis when it comes to having them available for Afghanistan.

The bilious blowhard Bill O’Reilly now says about Iraq that if we had it to do over again, we should have “found some other way to remove Saddam Hussein.”

Yeah? Well spell it out, or shut up. Whatever makes anyone think that such a noble and necessary undertaking would be easy?

Barry needs to do the same. Either he needs to answer why the world would be better with Saddam and Sons still in business and having bested us for seven years, or he needs to admit his judgment might not quite be up to speed.

Typhoon on July 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Barack HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW)

Dale in Atlanta on July 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM

If you refuse, then we will ratchet up the pressure, with stronger unilateral sanctions; stronger multilateral sanctions in the Security Council, and sustained action outside the UN to isolate the Iranian regime. That’s the diplomacy we need.

lol – I can’t believe this Sh*t. He stated EVERYTHING in my power and repeated EVERYTHING twice for emphasis while pausing when pandering to Joooz at AIPAC. He grabbed the big Jerusalem rail with both hands, then reversed fully. He must be insane coming to Israel next week and then meeting with the PA in the West Bank, our guys are going to smile and nod to him while preparing strike plans..

Does the left not realize by taking the option off the table, even as a purely negotiating tactic to keep it in – they are in fact speeding up by a magnitude of 10x an attack on Iran that will involve the USA by near default?

What kind of foreign policy is this! What kind of foreign policy speech is this!? One thing is certain, this may be a real disaster for US Israel relations forming, we are going to be swinging hard right and electing Netanyahu – the ‘likud’ that Obama knocks openly, and you would be swinging hard left..

and the terrorists are just going to start plain old swinging at anything in sight.

saus on July 15, 2008 at 4:02 PM

AP,

I think the real hinge point in this speech was this:

Now, all of us recognize that we must do more than look back – we must make a judgment about how to move forward. What is needed? What can best be done? What must be done? Senator McCain wants to talk of our tactics in Iraq; I want to focus on a new strategy for Iraq and the wider world.

So while he’s tacitly admitting some success, as you noted above, he’s simultaneously reducing the debate over the surge (and his own failure therein) to a penny ante debate about “tactics.” Tactics are a distraction. He has bigger things on his plate, i.e. “strategy.”

This is a desperate attempt to change the subject away from McCain being right about the surge. He shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. I’m glad Lieberman is on it.

John on July 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

How on earth has the surge helped America’s security, Joe?

I didn’t realize the right was still peddling that…fantasy.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

he has no qualms about threatening to go into Pakistan if we spot Osama on the radar screen — another Bush policy, as it turns out, and one that Pakistan has evidently already agreed to.

The same position he held throughout the entire primary process and one that he was criticized for by Republicans and Democrats as being too “naive.”

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Typhoon on July 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM

AQ would have scurried to Iraq and hid behind Saddam while he thumbed his nose at us.

I live how libs can paint such a glorious picture after the fact. So much so, I’ll take a shot.

If I would have bought stock in Yahoo in 1995 and sold in 2000 I would be wealthy beyond my wildest dreams. Or…if I would have shorted Enron in 1998 and covered in 02 I would be wealthy. I could go on and on, just like TeleBarry.

swami on July 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM

baldilocks on July 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Because taking a guided tour through a Baghdad market is definitely the way a President should make policy decisions as opposed to months and months of studying the issue and having competent foreign policy advisors.

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM

No surprise at all with Obama, but why is Leiberman still a Democrat?

orlandocajun on July 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM

How on earth has the surge helped America’s security, Joe?

I didn’t realize the right was still peddling that…fantasy.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

This is too easy but…have there been any attacks on US soil since 911?

swami on July 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Lets face it, Afganistan is a really tough nut to crack..The British, Alexander the Great, Russia….now the United States.

I am confident we will succede because we are the only ones in the unique position of being a hero “Charlie Wilson” and finally recognizing that setting up a fair government is the key to success there.

We have built roads, schools, and are the first ones to treat their elders with respect. I sense they are tired of 30 years of war and are ready to try something else. I think the public will get tired of the cruelty of the Taliban, Just like the Iraqis did with the terrorists there.

Could be wishfull thinking, but that’s how it feels to me.

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM

have there been any attacks on US soil since 911?

swami on July 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM

I thought that was the ghost of Ronald Reagan staring the terrorists out of America. Which one is it, swami, you can’t have it both ways.

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Are you saying our airtight border security has prevented attacks on the U.S., swami?

Funny.

I think al Qaeda was so amazed by America’s overreaction to 9/11 they’re still just sitting back, laughing at us….7 years and $4,000,000,000,000 later.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Because taking a guided tour through a Baghdad market is definitely the way a President should make policy decisions as opposed to months and months of studying the issue and having competent foreign policy advisors.

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM

If you think Obama did any of the above, you are high.

Chuck Schick on July 15, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Allowing AQ to run rampant in Iraq would not have had any effect on our security alphie, just like allowing AQ to run rampant in Afghanistan in the 1990’s didn’t have any effect on our security. That 9/11 thing was all an inside job by Bush and the Jews, right alphie?

AZCoyote on July 15, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Has anyone considered the possibility that President Obama will use his vaunted propaganda machine to launch a Woodrow Wilsonesque strategy of leftist patriotism and calls for all Americans to start sacrificing for the war effort?

This would have the simultaneous effect of channeling nutroots energy, taking the Hawkish mantle for Himself, and justifying suppression of the American economy with a new, Righteous O’War on Terror.

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Why would anyone with a modicum of intelligence listen to a guy (Barry O)who has a) no administrative experience in anything whatsoever, and b) no military experience whatsoever? Oh, because the left have not one modicum of intelligence, I guess. But hey! Hope and Change and Change and Hope and change and change and hope, then hope and change and hope and change and change and hope some more.

foxforce91 on July 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM

and having competent foreign policy advisors.

OH I forgot c) no foreign policy experience whatsoever. None.

foxforce91 on July 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Lowry feels the landscape starting to shift on Afghanistan, too, culminating in the same hunch I had six months ago.

Had it before you did nyah nyah! (scroll down to earlier links).

Not much of a hunch on any of our parts. Leftists hate Bush so they would destroy his works by any means necessary.

baldilocks on July 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM

I think al Qaeda was so amazed by America’s overreaction to 9/11 they’re still just sitting back, laughing at us….7 years and $4,000,000,000,000 later.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Could be, but we sent an awful lot of them to meet their virgins. We also got to test some really neat military hardware. In the process, we are probably now the toughest fighting force against terrorist tactics in the world.

It’s kind of hard to laugh when millions of your comrads have been dispatched so easily.

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Well done, Mr. Lieberman.

Well done.

Hawkins1701 on July 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Typhoon:

If we had done all that Osama might well have gone to Iraq, where he would be safe if Obama had anything to say about it.

In fact not so long before 9/11 Richard Clarke said that he would not be surprised if Osama boogied to Iraq. After all, it was the place to go. All sorts of terrorists from Yasin to Abud Nidal to Zarqawi just to mention a few sought refuge in Iraq.

That is the problem with these alternative history lessons from people like Obama, they always think that history would have gone their way if only they had been the ones calling the shots.

I think that the only thing that Obama really believes in is his own importance. He thinks he is so special he can make things happen that we mere mortals can not comprehend. That is scary.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Because taking a guided tour through a Baghdad market is definitely the way a President should make policy decisions as opposed to months and months of studying the issue and having competent foreign policy advisors.

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Im sure the terrorists aere trembling in their boots that Obama is fundraising and giving speeches in Europe

William Amos on July 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM

saiga,

Millions?

Try a few thousand guys who weren’t afraid to die and weren’t any threat to America in the first place

At around $10,000,000 per cost to the American taxpayers.

What a boondoggle.

The best one the Republicans have ever come up with.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM

alphie:

Ah yes, there in his hidey hole Osama is just laughing his ass off. Very quietly.

Nor did we over react. I know you don’t care about the thousands of people who died that day alphie, but a substantial part of the world’s transactions go through a relatively small part of the world. And it was that part of the world that AlQaida went after that day and the costs was in the hundreds of billions if not trillions.

But what do you care?

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Are you saying our airtight border security has prevented attacks on the U.S., swami?

Funny.

I think al Qaeda was so amazed by America’s overreaction to 9/11 they’re still just sitting back, laughing at us….7 years and $4,000,000,000,000 later.

Not at all, I’m saying there has been no attack on US soil since 911 and if you recall the days immediatley after, every politician almost hurt themselves rushing to the sunday morning talk shows to say they would hit us again.

Imagine the catcalls that Bush would have received if he stood up and said they would not hit us again for the next 7 years.

And speaking of expense, how much in individual net worth evaporated on 911? What would the expense be if another attack were to happen in a large city, or wall street?

I get a kick out of lefties like you that seem to know what others are thinking, ie, your AQ analogy. Your ilk tried that concept at the New Yorker, how did that work our for you?

swami on July 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM

hey obama is trying to please everyone, mainly the terrorist.

custer on July 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM

alphie:

You are a complete idiot.Speaking of boondoggle if the left could run anything but their mouths they might have dealt with Osama themselves years earlier and there would not have been a 9/11.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM

The left just wants the money that funds the military for social experimentation, like healthcare. You’re wasting your time trying to reason with alphie. He’ll just wear you down with stupidity then beat you with experience.

swami on July 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM

You see alphie is the kind of gal/guy who thinks AlQaida is either a myth or a bumper sticker or just an understandable reaction to the fact that we have not as of yet put all the Republicans in death camps.

If he/she/it had to choose who the good guys were, the US or the AlQaida, he/she/it would definitely feel an affinity for AlQaida. Because as we all know the Rethuglikkkans are the real terrorists.

This is Obama’s problem. People like alphie are despised by the vast majority of Americans and yet Obama has allowed his base to be infested with little alphies. Kiss of death, unless he dumps them. Which he will. That bus will be running over alphie any day now. If it hasn’t already.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM

swami:

No, the left just wants to bitch. If there was another attack they would be the first ones demanding that something be done.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

think al Qaeda was so amazed by America’s overreaction to 9/11 they’re still just sitting back, laughing at us…
alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:13 PM

You are aware that most of the senior AQ leadership is either dead or in custordy right? Or is that just an ‘inconvenient truth?’ The operational arm has been badly decimated, you don’t actually think bin laden planned and carried out those attacks do you, because he didn’t, he’s the CFO, he handles the budget.. The brains and footmen for that operation are gone or dead and that is what has made you safer so far these past 7 years.

saus on July 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

As the post turtle spins, you never know what it is going to point to when it stops, or say when it does.

Jive talking, hoodwinking and bamboozling is an art form.

tarpon on July 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Seven years later we’re no closer to getting bin Laden than we were the day after 9/11 and guess who’s in power?

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Was it tough when Sen. Obama voted to order U.S. troops to retreat from Iraq on a fixed timeline regardless of the recommendations of our military commanders or conditions on the ground?

It was in step with his beliefs that the American military is a force that needs to be contained and kept from victory no matter what risk that proposes to military personnel or the population they are protecting.

Was it smart when Sen. Obama opposed the surge and predicted that it would fail to improve our security?

It was in step with his beliefs that the American military is an organization of unintelligent, dangerous people being led by unintelligent and even more dangerous people…including the elected Commander of the armed forces.

Was it tough and principled when Sen. Obama said he would be open to changing his plan on Iraq after going there and talking to General Petraeus, which I think was the right position, only to change that position hours later after being heatedly criticized by organizations like MoveOn.org?

It is in step with his deeply held belief that models based solely on personal opinion contain more truth than actual circumstances, especially if they are shared by associates who hate the USA, along with foreign states and organizations that wish to see the USA taken down and rebuilt based on their distorted vision.

Hening on July 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM

How do you know we are no closer?

swami on July 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Lovely. We have our own cave troll.

wccawa on July 15, 2008 at 4:41 PM

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Did Joe visit your porta-potty today Alphie? See anybody interesting today? Get the government to put one in front of your house yet?

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Don’t get your hope up. You know deep in your heart he’s going to stab you in the back again.

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2008 at 4:48 PM

swami on July 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Cause they know Bush had him secretly locked up somewhere, to be whipped out when the news at home get too boring.

Sir Napsalot on July 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Seven years later we’re no closer to getting bin Laden than we were the day after 9/11 and guess who’s in power?

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM

So? Is that the best you can do? Idiot.

50 years later, there are still people in poverty, guess which Party implemented that little plan?

kirkill on July 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Seven years later we’re no closer to getting bin Laden than we were the day after 9/11 and guess who’s in power?

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM

And Bin Laden has been hiding in Caves in Afghanistan so who has been attacking the US in Iraq ?

Al Qaeda is a ORGANIZATION made up of more than one man. Your guy Obama wants to make it all about one man because he lacks the intellect (or maybe the honesty) to admit what Al Qaeda really is.

William Amos on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Terrye,

I saw a U.S. military guy describe the “battle” for Fallujah as “just as intense as Stalingrad.”

After that, I knew the rest of the “war” would be fought in fantasy land. If most Americans hate me for not buying into the tale being spun…so be it.

But in the end, we’ll find we’re broke, China can easily kick our asses economically and militarily…and the phony war on terror wasn’t worth the huge cost.

Not even close.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Now, all of us recognize that we must do more than look back – we must make a judgment about how to move forward. What is needed? What can best be done? What must be done? Senator McCain wants to talk of our tactics in Iraq; I want to focus on a new strategy for Iraq and the wider world.

This is simply breathtaking, coming from him. ALL HE DID in the caucuses and primaries was look back, beating Hillary Clinton mercilessly for her vote on the AUMF. While she tried to talk about the way forward, Obama kept yanking her back to 2002. NOW he wants to change the subject and completely gloss over his stunning failure in opposing the surge.

What an unbelievable bullshit artist.

rockmom on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I think al Qaeda was so amazed by America’s overreaction to 9/11 they’re still just sitting back, laughing at us….7 years and $4,000,000,000,000 later.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:13 PM

If the two of them left can fit in a spider hole hiding from the US Military, I doubt if they are laughing together. Al Qaeda and the Taliban are only amazed at the the difference a Republican makes in the White House. After years of Clintonian negligence and building an international terror organization, they are finished. The USA went into hostile territory, won over the population, destroyed the most unique enemy we have ever faced, and continues to destroy an enemy with fictitious attributes that you and others like you wish they exhibited. All of this has been accomplished along with keeping our homeland safe so the reality challenged few and frustrated can continue to rage against the very forces that keep them free.

God bless the USA, its military, and its President.

Hening on July 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

The trolls here really are incredibly funny. They can’t really be that stupid can they?

kirkill on July 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Seven years later we’re no closer to getting bin Laden than we were the day after 9/11 and guess who’s in power?

Nonfactor on July 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Whoopysh-t . If he’s still breathing he’s a cave
crawler. If not, He’s hidden. Could be it’s better to
think he’s still kickin so the military can continue to
hunt and find the his inner circle of scum.

Texyank on July 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Ya we could have used that money to put port-potties all over suburbia, right Alphie?

How’s you summer vacation going kid? Mommy and Daddy by you that flat screen yet?

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Replacing the Pledge of Allegiance in January 2009:

There is no God but Obama, and MSNBC is his messenger.

flipflop on July 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM

and the phony war on terror wasn’t worth the huge cost.

Not even close.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

So let’s spend even more on a phony war on global warming. That’s an enemy we have a firm handle on…HAHAHA…idiot.

kirkill on July 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM

But in the end, we’ll find we’re broke, China can easily kick our asses economically and militarily…and the phony war on terror wasn’t worth the huge cost.

Not even close.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I love how it’s always the $150B/year that Alphie doesn’t like makes us broke, never the $2.5 trillion in additional Medicare and SS promises no one has a clue how to fund.

Chuck Schick on July 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM

The trolls here really are incredibly funny. They can’t really be that stupid can they?

kirkill on July 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

It’s summer vacation and you can only stare at the porta-potty for so long…. click on Alphies name. He’s a kid who watches porta-potties and dreams of the day when they will be strewn across suburbia as a public service.

TheBigOldDog on July 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Of course, the other reason Obma is desperate to stop talking about the surge is because McCain’s early support of it, even before the 2006 elections and Rumsfled’s hiring, undermines his campaign’s empty strategy of painting McCain as Bush III. McCain is clearly getting mileage out of his reiteration that he was an early and loud critic of Bush’s conduct of the war. Democrats know they are toast if they can’t make this election another referendum on George Bush.

rockmom on July 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM

The trolls here really are incredibly funny. They can’t really be that stupid can they?

kirkill on July 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Yes, Tonto. . .They can.

Texyank on July 15, 2008 at 4:57 PM

I saw a U.S. military guy describe the “battle” for Fallujah as “just as intense as Stalingrad.”

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Link, please.

flipflop on July 15, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Kiss of death, unless he dumps them. Which he will. That bus will be running over alphie any day now. If it hasn’t already.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM

But he can’t. That’s just the absolute beauty of it. What kind of a complete buffoon would he look like if he had to at this point announce that maybe that public financing stuff didn’t look so bad after all?

Gee, maybe it’s not really all that broken?

He can’t do that. The sweet, sweet, sweet part of him rejecting public financing was that he tied his whole campaign to alphie and all his pals.

No money, no message.

He’s looking like a complete fool these past few days, but he’s got no choice. I’m convinced his money dried up, and he’s panicking to convince alphie that he’ll be a good little defeatist and not waver from the surrender first mantra ever again.

Typhoon on July 15, 2008 at 5:03 PM

But in the end, we’ll find we’re broke, China can easily kick our asses economically and militarily…and the phony war on terror wasn’t worth the huge cost.

Not even close.

alphie on July 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Ever been to China alphie? With the exception of a few large cities, it’s nothing more than a third world cesspool with people pissing on the side of the highway and growing as much food as they can in their backyard just to survive from one day to the next.

China can’t come close to kicking our asses, either economically or militarily. We are friggin’ light years ahead of them on both counts. China’s a threat like Obama’s a warrior. No way baby.

Anything you do know something about, or do you just make up everything as you go?

fogw on July 15, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Never expect logics from the libs.

First, it was Bush’s fault 9/11 happened ‘under his watch’;
Then, they argue Bush shredded Constitution apart, trying to protect the homeland;
The final staw is that nothing like 9/11 happened since then (Knock on Wood), but Bush does not deserve any credit, because AQ guys laughed themselves silly in der caves.

Sir Napsalot on July 15, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Obama delivers big Iraq speech brimming with crap you’ve heard before

LOL. AP, you were missed.

baldilocks on July 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM

yeah, I laughed at that too. But you forgot the tie in “Update: Lieberman Unloads”! Good work Allah.

kirkill on July 15, 2008 at 5:06 PM

That’s why we must pursue these tough negotiations in full coordination with our allies

“Tough negotiations” require having an olive branch in one hand, and a gun in the other. Obama seems to think he’ll get a better result with olive branches in both hands (and his pants around his knees).

“Tough negotiations” indeed.

Cicero43 on July 15, 2008 at 5:13 PM

The trolls here really are incredibly funny. They can’t really be that stupid can they?

kirkill on July 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

They’re either jokesters who’ve mastered the pidgin-Liberal dialect or they’re for real and no older than 12.

Or drunks. Whatever, they are a nonstop comedy machine.

Gilda on July 15, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Senator Lieberman,

Keep up the good work! You’re one of the very few clear thinking Democrats. I wish there were more like you, Sir.

Mooseman

Mooseman on July 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM

SECOND THIRD FOURTH FIFTH LOOK AT LIEBERMAN!

wccawa on July 15, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Chuck Schick

To try to answer you question way up the thread the preliminary date for the Berlin speech was July 24. He is supposed to make a circuit of London, Paris, Berlin, Ramallah, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Limerick on July 15, 2008 at 5:29 PM

And Ralph Peters just unloaded a big dose of reality on Obama in a FNC interview. Lot’s of quote worthy stuff there.

Buy Danish on July 15, 2008 at 5:31 PM

This armchair quarterbacking BS speech made me furious this morning. The Obamunist complained about all the things we could have done like a total whiner.
No, A-hole Obamunist, those were all things we SHOULD have done but a-holes like you were constantly standing in the way.
‘Course, I guess if you’d said “should” instead of “could” throughout your lame-a$$ pravda you would have been shoulding all over yourself, again, to borrow a term used by your buddy Stuart Smalley.

Tool.

NTWR on July 15, 2008 at 5:35 PM

I’m not always right about these things (I was SURE that Bush was unelectable in 2000 and supported McCain in the primary), but I continue to think having Lieberman on the ticket is the only chance we have to win this thing.

Besides, I’m becoming rather fond of him.

Infidoll on July 15, 2008 at 5:54 PM

I was fired up as I watched his BS also. While they were debating funding for the war and the surge he was against it. NOW hes all for it. ugh

And he is still sticking to his timetable? He must want to let the equipment there for…what reason? He is clueless…as those trolls seem to be.

becki51758 on July 15, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Want a preview of Obama? Take a look at lefty Olmert.

Sounder on July 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Alphie,
“just as intense as Stalingrad”

There is a difference between “intense” and “lengthy.” Which you probably don’t appreciate, for obvious reasons.

exhelodrvr on July 15, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I “crossed the aisle” to vote for Joe in when I lived in CT and the Lamont supporting lefties were running an Internet Smear campaign against him. I disagree with him on many things but I was driven to vote for him just to make a stand against the anti-Semitism and cretinousness of the Lamontites. But I can honestly say that even though I’m one of 30% Bush supporting Republican die hards I’ve never regret voting in the gentleman from CT.

Thank you Joe for breaking ranks with the Dems when it’s the right thing to do.

Rob Taylor on July 15, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Those are the facts, and all Americans welcome them.

Obambi

It speaks volumes that he felt obliged to include that last line.

Allah

I have missed you.So.Much.

Jaibones on July 15, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Obama giving his big speech on Iraq before he actually goes there reminds me of Paula Abdul gushing about that “American Idol” performance that hadn’t actually been performed yet. Obama could do a lot worse than Paula Abdul for his Secretary of State… *

* such as choosing any living Democrat politician, for example.

Doctor Zero on July 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Chances of Lieberman at least being invited to speak at he RNCC are? When it comes to national security matters, he strikes me as this elections version of Zell Miller.

Yakko77 on July 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM

It’s as if the Democrats are seeking a CEO for our country (… to) position it for a takeover by someone else so they can all cash out and retire.

Texas Rainmaker on July 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

TR, I have been wracking my brain for this very explanation for these traitors– you hit the nail on my head! We are dealing with a Western evil known as Liberalism. It is just as profit-hungry as anything before it, parading as peace-loving and fair.

leftnomore on July 16, 2008 at 2:26 PM

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