McCain: Borders will be secure “in a very short period of time”

posted at 12:35 pm on July 15, 2008 by Allahpundit

Really? A problem we haven’t had the political will to solve is suddenly going to be wrapped up lickety split in time for a McCain administration? Even though the very first phase of the “virtual fence” that may or may not work has already been delayed by three years? Consider this the missing link in his chain of logic from securing the borders to attending to the more important business of amnestizing illegals and passing the DREAM Act: At some point during his presidency (possibly on Inauguration Day itself, if prior statements are any guide) he’ll point to some benchmark on DHS’s to-do list — X miles of fence constructed, say — and summarily declare the border “secure” or “substantially secure.” No waiting for results to see whether illegal immigration has actually declined; that’d take too long and keep us from that more important business.

Two other things to watch for. First, the data at the end on how Hispanic voters are prioritizing issues, which came as a surprise to me but not as much, I suspect, as it will to Geraldo Rivera. And second, pay attention to what McCain says at around 2:45 about agreeing with American workers that illegal immigrants are taking their jobs. If he agrees, then what was he doing last year pushing amnesty? Presumably the idea is that by amnestizing illegals you bring them under the protection of minimum wage laws and thereby take away their competitive advantage over citizens, but a reporter looking to make him squirm on this issue — particularly as regards the unemployment effect of a sudden amnesty-induced labor glut during an economic downturn — would do well to follow up on it.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

Proof is in the pudding.

Weebork on July 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM

Allahpundit is obviously a LYING LIAR WHO LIES ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN AND WANTS TO SEE OBAMA ELECTED AND IS PROBABLY PAID BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND WILL ABANDON HOT AIR AFTER THE ELECTION!

And he’s for mass deportation.

And he puts too much emphasis on illegal immigration, when most Americans don’t care about it.

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 12:38 PM

McCain must be speaking about geological time.

Socratease on July 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM

McCain must be speaking about geological time.

Socratease on July 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Bureaucratic time actually, there’s a slight difference, don’t feel bad though, that’s a common mistake to make.

doubleplusundead on July 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Really?

No.

fourstringfuror on July 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Too bad you didn’t propose securing the borders on 09/12/2001, Mr. McCain.

BowHuntingTexas on July 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Yes, the borders will be declared secure in a very short period of time…

Because I’LL say they are…

Romeo13 on July 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM

The man wants to have a multi-trillion dollar budget balanced in 4 years. What’s his idea of a “short period of time”?

amerpundit on July 15, 2008 at 12:46 PM

I’ll believe when I see it.

We also contacted Senator Obama campaign to discuss issues concerning Latino voters, but his campaign declined.

No surprise. He’d rather pander than discuss. People like Barack better when shuts the f*** up.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 15, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Ed vs. AP jello wrestling!

jgapinoy on July 15, 2008 at 12:48 PM

“We are moving forward right now with securing our borders.” How can I vote for someone who obviously doesn’t even live in the U.S.A.?

snaggletoothie on July 15, 2008 at 12:49 PM

McCain: Borders will be secure “in a very short period of time”

It’s magic. Like the Emperor’s new clothes.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:51 PM

McCain must be speaking about geological time.

Socratease on July 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Bureaucratic time actually, there’s a slight difference, don’t feel bad though, that’s a common mistake to make.

doubleplusundead on July 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM

How about astrological time?

Or Biblical time. You know, “one day with the Lord is as a thousand years ……”

BigD on July 15, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Trust but Verify.

Thank goodness our skeptic is back in the house.

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 12:51 PM

You can be the party for illegal immigrants or you can be the party of the poor, but you can’t be both — at least not at the same time. **

The poor suffer greatly from a flood of unskilled labor: competition for jobs driving down wages; competition for low-end housing driving up prices; increased crime in low-age neighborhoods; etc.

Too bad we don’t have a GOP candidate who could push these issues.

** Borrowed from Janet Daley in the Telegraph, who wrote “You can be the party of the environment or you can be the party of the poor, but you can’t be both — at least not at the same time.”.

Clark1 on July 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Did anyone else notice how peeved the reporter seemed as she told us how Obama’s campaign blew her off? His road to victory has been paved with the golden words of an uncritical media. Do you suppose he is starting to generate a backlash?

DocKen on July 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM

If the border is solved in a “very short time” he can move on to amnesty. As much as he talks about border security first, I beleive him to ideologiclly committed to amnesty. Once we get the numbers down, in half, I’d then consider amnesty.

Theworldisnotenough on July 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Trust but Verify.

Thank goodness our skeptic is back in the house.

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 12:51 PM

No kidding. The incessant shilling from Ed was beyond tiresome.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Once we get the numbers down, in half, I’d then consider amnesty.

Theworldisnotenough on July 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Amnesty never works, no matter how small the numbers. Reagan’s disastrous amnesty for 1.5 million illegals in ’86 is a case in point. And that was only 1.5 million. We’ve got about 36 million illegals inside our borders today – 3 times what the government actually admits to! Amnesty is never the answer. Ever.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Yes, the borders will be declared secure in a very short period of time…

Because I’LL say they are…

Romeo13 on July 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Exactly! To paraphrase his comments to Senator John Cornyn, “STFU, I know more about this than anyone”

brtex on July 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM

If you don’t like Ed’s posts, you aren’t being forced to read them.

Buford Gooch on July 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM

The incessant shilling from Ed was beyond tiresome.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:56 PM

I do not endorse that characterization of Ed’s work. I’m just in the mood to have McCain driven to the right, not be herded to the left.

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM

No waiting for results to see whether illegal immigration has actually declined; that’d take too long and keep us from that more important business.

Hasn’t Mac’s Mantra been that he will get the governors of the border states to verify it. So all he really has to do is to get the governors on board publicly.

Boy, that is an interesting admission @ 2:45.

Spirit of 1776 on July 15, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Just think, these candidates are, apparently, the best that America has to offer.

Can’t the Chinese export a candidate for us? We could find him at Wal-Mart.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 15, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Well, there is more enforcement than there used to be. See Operation Streamline that started here in Del Rio and has been expanded several times, plus some of the fence is up. If they keep going after employers, that would help. But I’d like to hear him make a case for it becoming secure…I’d say that’s a stretch…

MamaAJ on July 15, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Did anyone else notice how peeved the reporter seemed as she told us how Obama’s campaign blew her off?

Too bad she doesn’t understand that he won’t talk to her one on one because he knows it will just make him look like an idiot. I wonder if the press will let him get away with that all the way to the election?

snaggletoothie on July 15, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Well, this may be the hardest line McCain has ever taken, at least rhetorically. So, let’s see where he ends up by the time we get to November.

This is an issue that could get McCain to blow, depending on how and by whom he’s confronted with it. He also might want to be a little careful with his buddy Lindsey Graham on this.

BigD on July 15, 2008 at 1:08 PM

A giggling Paul Begula during the Clenis administration: “Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Cool.”
I assume governor certification approval of state secure borders should take about a week.

a capella on July 15, 2008 at 1:12 PM

The incessant shilling from Ed was beyond tiresome.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Ed is one of those people who give everyone (or almost everyone) the benefit of the doubt.

BigD on July 15, 2008 at 1:12 PM

… he puts too much emphasis on illegal immigration, when most Americans don’t care about it.

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 12:38 PM

I’m not sure which rock you recently came crawling out from under, but if you truly think “most Americans” don’t care about illegal immigration, then I truly believe that you’re the only “lying liar” here and are dubiously working on behalf of the Obama Campaign… or for some other wing-nut(s).

Sen. John “RINO” McCain worked hand-in-hand with Sen. Edward “W.C. Fields” Kennedy to get MILLIONS of ILLEGAL immigrants granted amnesty and REWARD them for their scofflaw ways. He pushed and fought DILIGENTLY for the bill’s passage. Every time any amendment was attached to the bill to put it to its deserved death, RINO McCain voted against the amendment(s). It stands to reason though, it was he and Kennedy’s baby. Thankfully, it failed MISERABLY anyway.

Now, RINO McCain claims “the border will be secured”, practically overnight compared to the numerous YEARS of effort by everyone BUT the self-serving politicians to get the damn border actually secured. And, as it happens, he’s running for POTUS now while making this promise. Bullcrap! Practically overnight he changed from rewarding illegals to securing the borders, as if he can actually accomplish that task in a ‘politically correct’ manner anyway, and yet no mention of his intention regarding the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants already here. But I have a good idea what RINO’s going to do. He’ll shove AMNESTY down AMERICA’S THROAT if he wins POTUS.

Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor John Sidney McCain III are worthy of anything more than their current positions, if even that. Yet, one of them WILL be POTUS in 6 months. We’re screwed either way the election goes, regardless.

Here’s MY exit question: Would it be okay (much less legal) to form a “Council of the Caucasian Race” and solicit millions of caucasian members with the agenda of working solely for and advancing ONLY the caucasian race and soliciting pandering politicians to advance that agenda, including also for and on behalf of ONLY caucasian CRIMINALS?

Yeah. I didn’t think so.

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM

He was being sarcastic.

a capella on July 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM

In McCainese, the borders are already secure. He just needs to get elected to take credit for it.

McCain is one of the most dangerous men in American history because it is his goal to dismantle all elected conservative opposition.

At least with an Obama presidency, there will be a fight on ideas. McCain will finish the work Bush started of permanently disabling conservatism in the GOP.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform yesterday, today, and tomorrow!

Valiant on July 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM

“Call it a banana if you want to”
- John McCain

jjcarrillo on July 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Yeah. I didn’t think so.

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Whoa there big fella! Misterpeasea is on your side, and he was just being sarcastic.

DFCtomm on July 15, 2008 at 1:24 PM

You’ve got to understand that when he says the governors will certify that the borders are secure. . . it’s a ruse.

All the border governors want the hispanic vote. Of course they’ll say, sure the border is secure *wink wink*. . . give all of my new Hispanic constituents the ability to elect me now please.

Our government is corrupt as they come.

ThackerAgency on July 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Yep McCain will bankrupt the federal government with his idea of allowing 40+ poor Mexicans here. What a sorry lot this year is. Vote for a open border or vote for a open border candidate. Whoever going to win will bankrupt the federal government.

BroncosRock on July 15, 2008 at 1:28 PM

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Yep, that AP. Must be a Paulbot too…

catmman on July 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Does anyone trust this fossil?

omnipotent on July 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM

mnesty never works, no matter how small the numbers. Reagan’s disastrous amnesty for 1.5 million illegals in ‘86 is a case in point. And that was only 1.5 million. We’ve got about 36 million illegals inside our borders today – 3 times what the government actually admits to! Amnesty is never the answer. Ever.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 1:00 PM

If I remember right that number was incorrect as well, and the actual number to take advantage of that amnesty was about 3 X 1.5 million. Todays official illegal alien numbers are thought to be underestimated by the same ratio.

DFCtomm on July 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM

If the borders are going to be secure under a McCain administration, I guess we can expect a new glut of illegals coming in over the next few months.

However, McCain used to argue that it is impossible to secure the border, and I agree. The only plan that makes sense is to stop the magnets that draw them.

This requires tough love, and niether of these two pandering carpetbaggers have the integrity to do what is right.

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 1:37 PM

If I remember right that number was incorrect as well, and the actual number to take advantage of that amnesty was about 3 X 1.5 million. Todays official illegal alien numbers are thought to be underestimated by the same ratio.

DFCtomm on July 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Exactly right.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Our government is corrupt as they come.

ThackerAgency on July 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM

And getting worse by the hour. Just look at the cadre of leaders. They all suck big time. I have little hope for anything positive in the near future.

We will be taking several steps backwards in order to take several more steps backwards.

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Check out this Israeli system developed on German Maglev tech for border security (video). It is called Kinesys by Linceus a German Israeli collaboration.

I know some posters will get a real kick out of it. Makes the fence a little less virtual. The speed and ability to use many units might one day make the long border with mexico a possibility for security based on something similar. The units can travel at 55MPH! That’s even faster than the Palestinian terrorists can run ;)

We are looking at these types of solutions for our own security needs, some of our borders now have automated computer firing turrets in testing.. for ‘terrorist interdiction’.. btw this kinesys is maglev, as in the unit is not in contact with the rails at all! Astounding.

saus on July 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Did anyone notice the CBS poll at the end. Only 3% are concerned with immigration? Thanks CBS for another useful poll…

A better question the reporter should have asked: Do you Senator think La Raza’s threats to the banking/mortgage industry to take them to court for discrimination if they don’t provide home loans without any income verification to the illegal immigrants may be contributing to the current mortgage problems?

luckybogey on July 15, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I really don’t blame Reagan entirely because he was stabbed in the back by the congress. They had plenty of other measures in the bill that they ignored.

That should be a lesson for everyone, but these phonys only care about their own elections. Why else would they want to reward the wanton lying, cheating, and stealing these perps live by?

saiga on July 15, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Let’s not forget also that Mr. McCain and his surrogates were the ones screaming loudest that the pro-border security crowd were nothing but hate-filled racists. Why should anybody even the most useless of his idiot supporters believe one word out of this political troll’s mouth. McCain has proven himself a dishonest broker and opportunist. His word has no value and, for that reason alone, he is unfit for the Presidency. It’s only too bad that his opponent’s word is equally worthless.

highhopes on July 15, 2008 at 1:45 PM

“McCain Advocate’s Razor”:

Either…

The McCain advocates who constantly and consitantly castigate anyone who has a disagreement with McCain on this issue haven’t seen this post yet…

Are too busy typing comments in OTHER posts on HA about McCain on immigration…

Or finally see one of the biggest points those of us who disagree with McCain on this issue have been trying to make as illustrated in this clip.

Yeah, I know. It’s a three bladed razor. Think “Mach 3″. :)

catmman on July 15, 2008 at 1:47 PM

He was being sarcastic.

Misterpeasea is on your side, and he was just being sarcastic

Really? There is no indication of that whatsoever. Not from the author anyway. Maybe it’s so shocking that you “assume” sarcasm? Maybe you personally know the author? Well, only the author can say for sure, so until then, my retort stands.

ALSO, here’s a nice little sound byte from Texas University at Arlington Professor Jose Gutierrez, and the founder of La Raza Unida. The true intent of La Raza and affiliated overlapping groups like MEChA are contained therein.

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

RedheadInfidel

Incessant shilling MDS from Ed your ilk is beyond tiresome.
McCain could say the flag is red, white & blue, & you’d call him a liar.

jgapinoy on July 15, 2008 at 1:50 PM

I can understand McCain’s short period of time. It’s immediately after he becomes president.

Look, I can appreciate his motivation; McCain thinks the illegals here should be able to stay. Every day that goes by without implementation of Shamnesty means illegals are pressured through enforcement to go home voluntarily or are deported. For McCain it would be a travesty to pass a law allowing illegals to stay and have them join a process for making them citizens after we have cause a large portion, maybe even a majority, to leave the country.

That bothers me as that is unfair, too. McCain wants to nip that in the bud to mitigate that unfairness. His declaring the border secure will be done as quickly as possible and his efforts in that regard will commence immediately after his swearing in.

The main reason for his urgency now is that the National Government does not control the issue now. States and localities do. Sure there are less people coming over the border now, but that’s not the result of the Fed securing the border. It is the of actions of States’ and localities eliminating the incentive to be here. Illegals will not spend thousands of dollars to get to the border and possibly more for help in crossing if the monetary risk of being able to stay is too high.

McCain needs to stop states’ and localities’ activities and he can only do that with Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Dusty on July 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM

What the hell?

..

..They’re bringing 90210 back?!

Reaps on July 15, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Every day that goes by without implementation of Shamnesty means illegals are pressured through enforcement to go home voluntarily or are deported.

For McCain it would be a travesty to pass a law allowing illegals to stay and have them join a process for making them citizens after we have cause a large portion, maybe even a majority, to leave the country.

That bothers me as that is unfair, too.

Dusty on July 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM

If we can take that one sentence at time:

1) Why is that a problem?

2) So what?

3) Why? Why it it unfair for illegals to have to leave? Isn’t it more unfair for legal citizens and residents that illegals are allowed in?

BigD on July 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Great, so we’re just going to announce it’s secure. I guess the Virtual Fence works well enough to stop the Virtual Illegals so that’s a big win for us. Of course, we pulled the National Guard off the border, so there’s no one left watching it. Good news is that they are looking to hire another 1200 border patrol agents at the end of this year.

Senator, I decline the opportunity to join your hallucination.

Snake307 on July 15, 2008 at 2:00 PM

I do not endorse that characterization of Ed’s work.

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Fair enough. That was rather bitchy of me.

I’m just in the mood to have McCain driven to the right, not be herded to the left.

And I do agree with you yet again.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Even though the very first phase of the “virtual fence” that may or may not work has already been delayed by three years?

Reporter: Senator McCain, is it true that if you become President you will put a real fence along the border with Mexico rather than just some phony so called “virtual fence”? And a follow up question sir, if so what will the physical fence look like?
John McCain: That is a very good question and yes when I become el Presidente I will put up a physical fence. What will it look like? Well it will run the full length of the border and have special security gates every 100 feet.
All the security gates will have on them:
1) Press one for Spanish (with a response of “Welcome Amigo, my country is your country and please take a free map to the wonderful plantation owner employer of your choice. Also please feel free to enroll you children in our schools and demand that they be taught in Spanish and please also feel free to avail yourself of all the free medical care that you want. If there are any Gringos in line in front of you, just go to the head of the line. If you want to fly any Mexican flags plese feel free to just take down an American one and use it’s flag pole”).
2) Press two for English (with a response of “#uck you! I know more than any of you damned bigoted nativist lazy madre fornicario gringos who do not want what is right for America del Norte!!!”).

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM

I do not endorse that characterization of Ed’s work.

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Fair enough. That was rather b1tchy of me.

I’m just in the mood to have McCain driven to the right, not be herded to the left.

And I do agree with you yet again.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Wow, are you really that incapable of detecting sarcasm, or are you just looking to pick a fight?

doubleplusundead on July 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Its really very amusing to see people actually believe a word coming out of McCain’s mouth. Particularly in regards to this issue.
FACT: The borders will not be secured
FACT: McCain will grant Amnesty

Anything else you hear is simply a lie. Here’s how the lying is going to transpire. McCain will tell everybody that he will secure the borders in order to get elected. That is a lie. Some will believe him. I won’t. Once in office, McCain will tell everybody that the borders are now secure. They will not be secure because he is simply lying to us. They won’t even be close to secure. There will be little to no enforcement of our immigration laws. He will then move ahead and grant Amnesty to all illegals. More illegals will flood into our country then ever before.

That is how it will go down. Take it to the bank.

Zetterson on July 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Presumably the idea is that by amnestizing illegals you bring them under the protection of minimum wage laws and thereby take away their competitive advantage over citizens,

Which then makes the current illegals as unattractive (work and pay-wise) as US citizens, which opens up a new market for a new class of illegals who haven’t bothered to register for their goodies and build a new sub-minimum worker market. Of course, the idea that this new class of ‘sub-illegals’ would feel the force of our law coming down on them is …. well …. laughable.

progressoverpeace on July 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Really? There is no indication of that whatsoever. Not from the author anyway. Maybe it’s so shocking that you “assume” sarcasm? Maybe you personally know the author? Well, only the author can say for sure, so until then, my retort stands.

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

I don’t know him personally, but he posts here enough for me to be familiar with his position, and yes he was being sarcastic.

DFCtomm on July 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM

He was being sarcastic.

a capella on July 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM

And he did a mighty fine job of it too, I might add.

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 2:06 PM

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Dude.

Uhhh, yeah, actually we do know him as a commenter.

Wow…

catmman on July 15, 2008 at 2:07 PM

McCain could say the flag is red, white & blue, & you’d call him a liar.

jgapinoy on July 15, 2008 at 1:50 PM

McCain could tell you that the Russian flag is purple, the French flag is yellow, the Chinese flag is peach, the Canadian flag is black and then McCain would laugh, snicker and call you a biggot for attempting to correct him. Then election time would roll around and McCain would tell you that the American flag is yellow and green and you would believe him.

Zetterson on July 15, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Its really very amusing to see people actually believe a word coming out of McCain’s mouth. Particularly in regards to this issue.
FACT: The borders will not be secured
FACT: McCain will grant Amnesty

Anything else you hear is simply a lie. Here’s how the lying is going to transpire. McCain will tell everybody that he will secure the borders in order to get elected. That is a lie. Some will believe him. I won’t. Once in office, McCain will tell everybody that the borders are now secure. They will not be secure because he is simply lying to us. They won’t even be close to secure. There will be little to no enforcement of our immigration laws. He will then move ahead and grant Amnesty to all illegals. More illegals will flood into our country then ever before.

That is how it will go down. Take it to the bank.

Zetterson on July 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Or, as Aesop might have put it:

One day, a man named John McCain looked around at the senate where he was a long time senator and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through caucuses and primaries. He climbed over some candidates and went around others until he reached the Republican nomination.

The coming Presidential race would be a tough one, and so John McCain stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn’t see any way to win on his own. So he thought that he would probably lose.Suddenly, he saw some naive conservatives blogging at a conservative web site. He decided to ask them for help in winning the election. “Would you be so kind, my friends, as to give me a hand in winning the election?”

“Well now, Senator McCain! How do we know that if we help you, you wont betray us?” asked the conservatives hesitantly.

“Because,” senator McCain replied, “If I betray you, then I would fail too, for you see I cannot govern without your support!”

Now this seemed to make some sense to the conservatives. But they asked. “What about when you get close to being elected? You could still start to betray us and might still win anyway!”

“This is true,” agreed senator McCain, “But I might well not be able to get enough conservative turnout to win the presidency!”

“Alright then…how do we know you wont just wait till you get elected and then betray us?” said the conservatives.

“Ahh…,” crooned senator McCain, “Because you see, once you’ve helped to make me president, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with betrayal, now would it?”

So the conservatives agreed to take help senator McCain get elected president. He edged out Barak Obama in a nail-bitting race and was inaugurated in January of the year 2009. Now president McCain immediately got a democratic majority in congress to enact full amnesty for all illegals in the United States and all of their relatives. He also nominated Hillary Clinton to the U.S. Supreme court along with Senator Teddy Kennedy’s wife. Both were confirmed.

.

“You fool!” croaked the conservatives, “You have betrayed us and you will never get a second term. Why on earth did you do that?”

Now president McCain shrugged and snickered and did a little jig..

“I could not help myself. It is my nature.”

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Really? There is no indication of that whatsoever. Not from the author anyway. Maybe it’s so shocking that you “assume” sarcasm? Maybe you personally know the author? Well, only the author can say for sure, so until then, my retort stands.

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

I only know misterpeasea from his many posts here and he is definitely on our side when it comes to McCain. His comment was satirical – he was basically bundling the expected canned response from the McCain supporters here into one hysterical package. I actually laughed out loud when I read it because he really did nail it.

However, I appreciate your passionate response on general principle, because you are exactly right on everything you wrote about McCain. Welcome to HA, darlin’.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Incessant shilling MDS from Ed your ilk is beyond tiresome.
McCain could say the flag is red, white & blue, & you’d call him a liar.

jgapinoy on July 15, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Here at the request fulfillment department your wish is our command:

McCain would obviously say the flag is red, white, and green, so of course we would call him a liar. Have I fulfilled your expectations? Would you mind filling out this short customer service survey before you leave? Have a nice day.

P.S. I would say that this post is sarcasm, and McCain is a great patriot who served his country in Viet Nam as a POW, but I’m sure you have already heard him say that numerous times.

DFCtomm on July 15, 2008 at 2:14 PM

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Sweeeet.

The message is loud and clear.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 2:14 PM

McCain: Borders will be secure “in a very short period of time”

Let us assume, for sake of charity, that he intends to accomplish this miracle.

This still raises the never-ending problem of people coming here legally, and then intentionally over-staying their travel or student Visas.

By the way, wasn’t there a National Security problem not too long ago with individuals over-staying their travel visas???

Yet, for both John McCain and Obama, the solution to the problem is always:

“give them Amnesty and pathway to USA citizenship!!”

ColtsFan on July 15, 2008 at 2:16 PM

However, I appreciate your passionate response on general principle, because you are exactly right on everything you wrote about McCain. Welcome to HA, darlin’.

Redhead Infidel on July 15, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Ditto.

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 2:22 PM

SilverStar, Thanks for the audio of Jose Gutierezz. That removes all doubt of the intention of La Raza and other racist groups associated with them. We are living in a very dangerous time in our nation’s history. The dumbing of our children in the public school system will be the downfall of the America as we know it.

volsense on July 15, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Our government is corrupt as they come.

ThackerAgency on July 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Ummm… No. A bit of perspective is in order.

I thoroughly agree with your first two paragraphs, though. And yes, I think the corruption is getting worse.

cs89 on July 15, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Where are McCain’s stormtroopers in response to this? You know- Terrye, Squid Shark, Jetboy, Funky Chicken et al.

Valiant on July 15, 2008 at 2:36 PM

progressoverpeace on July 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Yes, that is the problem. I’ve asked before what will happen when all the illegals are made legal? They will no longer have to work for peanuts, ergo, the employers will have to find someone who will, therefore, more illegals. It is a never-ending cycle.

mrsmwp on July 15, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Where are McCain’s stormtroopers in response to this? You know- Terrye, Squid Shark, Jetboy, Funky Chicken et al.

Valiant on July 15, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Maybe they got tired, and gave up, after all McCain does keep them very busy defending his statements.

DFCtomm on July 15, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Where are McCain’s stormtroopers in response to this? You know- Terrye, Squid Shark, Jetboy, Funky Chicken et al.

Valiant on July 15, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Here they are:

Abusive absurd arrogant asinine A-holes!
Berserk bigoted b*tchy blind braindead bratty beclowned Bores!
Clichéd charlatan childish clueless craptastic crazed cannabalistic Crybabies!
Deranged disgraceful disgusting dishonest delusional douchebag Drones!
Feckless filthy foolish foul-mouthed fever-swamp Fascists!
Has-been hypocritical hysterical hateful hack Hardliners!
Idiotic incoherent ill-informed immature insane irrational irrelevant Illiterates!
Juvenile kneejerk Kool-Aid-guzzling Kooks!
Lying lazy loony liberal lunatic lying Losers!
Mean-spirited mindless mocking MDSers!
Mouth-breathing moronic ME-o-cons!
Nagging narcissistic naive nativist Nutcases!
Obnoxious obtuse Obama-supporters!
Paranoid pathetic petty pissy pompous POS’s!
Pitiful petulant pouting predictable Pro-Jihadi puzzies!
Rude relentless rabid repetitive racist ridiculous ranting RINOs!
Silly sanctimonious smearing self-righteous slimy spoiled shreeking Saboteurs!
Sad scummy shameful sick sneering stupid sleazy Sore Losers!
Sputtering spittle-flecked self-involved senseless Slanderers!
Thoughtless trash-talking toolbag traitorous twisted TC Trolls!
Un-American uninformed unpatriotic
Vicious vacuous vile vituperative Vipers!
Weak whining wacko wienie wise-ass worthless wingnut xenophobic Zealouts!

And Liars and your Lying ilk!

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 2:43 PM

BigD on July 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Answers one at a time:

1) Why is that a problem? Ans: That isn’t a problem for me.

2) So what? Ans: Well, McCain has a very good chance to succeed in his plan and I oppose his plan as I think it is wrongheaded. That is why I explained how I saw it.

3) Why? Why it it unfair for illegals to have to leave? Isn’t it more unfair for legal citizens and residents that illegals are allowed in? Ans: I think you are comparing apples and oranges; I am not speaking of weighing the disparities between illegals and citizens/legal residents, or arguing a balancing between the two should be made wrt fairness. It has to do with treating all illegals “fairly”, not just some — either all in a class get special privilege or none at all. Now it may not be McCain’s fault the number who would get the special privilege is being winnowed, but his his intent to rush headlong into providing it to whoever is left is, I think wrong. Why should those who were smart enough to take refuge in sanctuary cities be the ones who get the privilege? Why should those who have connections get the payoff? Do you understand my point now?

Dusty on July 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 2:43 PM

You forgot “closet Paulnut!”

catmman on July 15, 2008 at 2:53 PM

The poor suffer greatly from a flood of unskilled labor: competition for jobs driving down wages; competition for low-end housing driving up prices; increased crime in low-age neighborhoods; etc.

Too bad we don’t have a GOP candidate who could push these issues.

** Borrowed from Janet Daley in the Telegraph, who wrote “You can be the party of the environment or you can be the party of the poor, but you can’t be both — at least not at the same time.”.

Clark1 on July 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Hi Clark1:

I agree with almost everything you said above, with the exception of the bold quote.

In my humble opinion, I see the negative effects of illegal immigration directly causing home prices (and not the general macro-economic variables) to fall in lower income areas. Due to the unfortunate lingering effects of institutional racism, African-Americans have traditionally resided in lower-income towns. Now, those towns are being flooded with people who do not assimilate. White employers may hire illegals during the day, but, unfortunately, the African American community suffers the consequences.

In my neck of the woods, Northern Illinois is becoming the next Mexifornia Mexico-ia.

There is relatively very little assimilation going on, and the schools and hospitals are hiring bilingual speakers to cope with the demand for free social services.

The crime wave noted here in other areas stills happens in my neck of the woods, just to a somewhat lesser degree.

Even in Northern Illinois, we have our own cases of Somalia here. We have towns that are experiencing home valuation decreases, even at times when the macro economic variables are different.

I only see lower-income towns being flooded with illegals, causing many to flee to other areas, with the accompanying devaluation of property and home values.

ColtsFan on July 15, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Do you Senator think La Raza’s threats to the banking/mortgage industry to take them to court for discrimination if they don’t provide home loans without any income verification to the illegal immigrants may be contributing to the current mortgage problems?

luckybogey on July 15, 2008 at 1:44 PM

That is an excellent question.

BowHuntingTexas on July 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Do you understand my point now?

Dusty on July 15, 2008 at 2:52 PM

I understand it better, yes, and I’m sorry if I read agreement with McCain into it in the first place.

BigD on July 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM

[BigD on July 15, 2008 at 3:06 PM]

Hey, no problem. I can understand how it could be read that way. I really do agree with McCain on (2) which is why I oppose his Shamnesty Plan more now.

Dusty on July 15, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Valiant on July 15, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Arguing with you is like putting my gonads into a vise, a painful and slow way to waste my time.

So why would I bother.

Squid Shark on July 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Where are McCain’s stormtroopers in response to this? You know- Terrye, Squid Shark, Jetboy, Funky Chicken et al.

Valiant on July 15, 2008 at 2:36 PM

I think that Juan Hernandez may have called them in as they were never very effective in selling the McKoolaid product. As we speak, they are probably being beat senseless, OK more senseless, by some of Juan’s LaRaza thugs for their disappointing performance.

MB4 on July 15, 2008 at 3:15 PM

Yes, that is the problem. I’ve asked before what will happen when all the illegals are made legal? They will no longer have to work for peanuts, ergo, the employers will have to find someone who will, therefore, more illegals. It is a never-ending cycle.

mrsmwp on July 15, 2008 at 2:42 PM

And even worse. After we legalize all the illegals, there won’t be any illegals left, so there won’t be any enforcement dollars spent on something that “doesn’t exist”. This will allow the new illegal class to grow, without enforcement (deja vu), until it becomes big enough that they will “have to be legalized … for the last time … really … really.” In the meantime, we will be suffering the consequences of having legalized tens of millions of people who have no love or care for America (along with their family members who come over to keep them company) and this country will be well on its way to dissolution. This will probably happen because of secession votes that will start appear in various states. If anyone thinks that the US of today could stop any state from seceding (given how loathe we are to even kick out people who have no reason being here) they have another guess coming.

progressoverpeace on July 15, 2008 at 3:26 PM

SilverStar830 on July 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Hey there. I was being sarcastic. Those were my impressions of wise_man (who isn’t), JetBoy (who KNOWS everyone that is against illegal immigration is a racist nativist who wants to round up all the brown people and haul them off to the killing fields), and Terrye (who insists that nobody cares about immigration, and tell the story, over and over, of how her tough-on-immigration Representative, Hostettler, got beat by a Democrat last election…while not mentioning the somewhat relevant fact that the Democrat ran to his RIGHT on immigration).

We’ve had many discussions of immigration here the last few months, and lots of screaming matches the last few weeks, so the rhetoric gets repetitive, and I’m just trying to save some of these folks the bother of posting.

Welcome to HotAir, glad to have you, based on what I’ve seen so far.

Has there been an open registration period recently? There are a few new posters. Or maybe they’re old posters who just recently caught the HotAir fee-vah!

Probably oughtta use the \sarc tag for a while.

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 3:38 PM

my friends…*skip*…my friends…*skip*…my friends…*skip*…my friends…*skip*

The Ugly American on July 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Yes, that is the problem. I’ve asked before what will happen when all the illegals are made legal? They will no longer have to work for peanuts, ergo, the employers will have to find someone who will, therefore, more illegals. It is a never-ending cycle.
mrsmwp on July 15, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Good point. And this website has noted that there have already been 7 amnesties passed since 1986.

Is McCain or Obama thinking that the “8th amnesty” will be the magic number? No.

They all know that amnesty only encourages more people to break the laws because the Federal Government is, in effect, providing an “incentive” for people to do so. Granting amnesty to people who broke our laws only encourages more illegal immigration.

In the meantime, we will be suffering the consequences of having legalized tens of millions of people who have no love or care for America (along with their family members who come over to keep them company) and this country will be well on its way to dissolution. progressoverpeace on July 15, 2008 at 3:26 PM

My views on illegal immigration are shaped, in part, by my employment. I work at a hospital.

Remember the last McCain-Ted Kennedy-LindseyGraham Shamnesty attempt??

It contained a provision granting public aid/welfare health insurance coverage to all the recipients of the Z visa amnesty. The negative financial effects of this act alone would shut down many hospitals. The financial reimbursement from the Medicaid/Public Aid program for hospitals is very, very low.

In fairness to McCain, yes, I respect the fact that he served in the military, etc…. But granting amnesty to people who broke our laws is the quickest way to Socialized Medicine for our country.

McCain can talk about cutting earmarks, and I applaud him for that. But the negative financial effects of the McCain amnesty will be double, triple any savings received from eliminating earmarks.

We are becoming a Two-tier society, with the elimination of the middle class.

ColtsFan on July 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM

my friends…*skip*…my friends…*skip*…my friends…*skip*…my friends…*skip*…

The Ugly American on July 15, 2008 at 3:39 PM

LOL

RushBaby on July 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM

In loving memory of Tony Snow………


“You keep repeating that, but nobody believes you,” she said. “Nobody buys that this administration is serious about the border.”

Mr. McCain, just because you say it with conviction, it doesn’t mean sh*T to me………… SECURE THE BORDER NOW!!!

Seven Percent Solution on July 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

I’m sorry…who is this self-important beotch?

Is satire acceptable? Satire is what it is; who do these idiots think that they are to decide “if it is acceptable”? Acceptable to whom?

Jaibones on July 15, 2008 at 4:47 PM

I heard the other day that the Bush administration is still wanting to get the fence done before Bush leaves office. They kicked out the last of the lawsuits brought by locals and environmentalists. But there are still problems with people tearing down the wall as it is being built. I also heard the Border Patrol said they did not need help from the Guard anymore.

I think they might finish the wall, but there will always be problems to deal with. They won’t be able to just build a wall and forget it.

As for whether this administration is serious about the border, Bush has done more to secure the border than any president in history. He has done more to secure the border than the pure conservative Newt Gingrich ever did.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Valiant:

Sorry, I have a job. I could not come play before.

As for storm troopers, where were all these outraged hardliners a decade ago?

Oh yeah, they did not say squat about it all back then so I guess they were open border fanatics.

Hey, but just think. After you get done helping Obama win and he has his super majority, he can do whatever he wants with that border. He can even fire the terrorists ICE agents who are picking on the illegals and all the phone calls from the right won’t stop him.

I heard over and over again what a great issue this would be for conservatives in 2006. It was not. It backfired.

But keep up the good work.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 5:03 PM

And the truth is nothing is good enough for a lot of the people who complain about this. The government could gain what they call operational control of the border and there would still be people who find a way to sneak in and there will still be people who will complain about that. There is just no pleasing some people. No matter what they say to the contrary, they like it that way.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Hey, but just think. After you get done helping Obama win…

I’m sorry Terrye, I gotta say something about this.

I could have sworn (though I admit, I maybe mistaken) that I have seen comments from you, most certainly from other hardcore McCainiacs that McCain didn’t NEED “border advocates” to win the election.

Additionally, you say this issue isn’t important, yet made the statement above.

catmman on July 15, 2008 at 5:18 PM

catmann:

Well thus far, McCain has won without the Tancredo vote. But that is not my point really. My point is that many of the people who hate McCain on this issue are willing to let someone like Obama win without even trying to stop it. They will put a lot more time and energy into railing against McCain.I think this will be a close election and if it is like 2000, it could make a difference.

So, it seems completely hypocritical, even childish to me that people who profess such a fanatical devotion to sealing off thousands of miles of border because after all our entire culture depends upon it…can just sit back and let this liberal Democrat win.

And I never said this issue was not important, at least I certainly never meant to imply or state that. I am saying it is not the only issue as far as most Americans were concerned, if it were, they would be voting differently.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Well thus far, McCain has won without the Tancredo vote.

Not really. He fooled some people in the primaries. Hell, he even fooled Tancredo! But that was the primary.

But that is not my point really. My point is that many of the people who hate McCain on this issue are willing to let someone like Obama win without even trying to stop it.

We have no effect on Obama or those who vote for him. We only have an effect on those who think that we are voting for them.

They will put a lot more time and energy into railing against McCain.I think this will be a close election and if it is like 2000, it could make a difference.

Terrye on July 15, 2008 at 5:31 PM

This was warned to all during the shamnesty debate. People said that McShame would tear the GOP apart. If he had any sense of decency, at all, McShame would have pulled out of the primaries at that point, knowing that, even if he won, he would kill the GOP. Now you are complaining about the GOP dying. Anyone with a brain could have predicted this exact situation if you had posed the hypothetical of McShame winning the primary, back during shamnesty.

progressoverpeace on July 15, 2008 at 5:41 PM

We disagree on the importance of this issue – but that’s cool.

I do not support McCain on this issue. I feel he isn’t trustworthy on it. I know the rhetoric, but history doesn’t bare out for McCain on this.

I completely disagree that our entire culture depnds on an unsecure border. Some (myself included) would argue that our culture is in danger of being overtaken because of this very problem.

catmman on July 15, 2008 at 5:47 PM

This was warned to all during the shamnesty debate. People said that McShame would tear the GOP apart. If he had any sense of decency, at all, McShame would have pulled out of the primaries at that point, knowing that, even if he won, he would kill the GOP. Now you are complaining about the GOP dying. Anyone with a brain could have predicted this exact situation if you had posed the hypothetical of McShame winning the primary, back during shamnesty.
progressoverpeace on July 15, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Agreed.

My question is:

why does McCain think that tens of millions of illegal immigrants, many of whom engage in some form of document fraud (credit card theft, Social Security number fraud, Identity theft, etc), and who come from left-wing countries immersed in a cultural background of big government socialism, will… all of a sudden, with the stroke of a presidential signing pen, …convert into card-carrying Republicans who want the government off their backs and taxes lowered?

Illegal immigration and the resulting 7 amnesties since 1986 mean more future Democrat voters.

ColtsFan on July 15, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Terrye, you’re really disappointing me.

Please tell us the story about how your representative, Hostettler, who was tough on immigration, lost his reelection bid to a Democrat.

And don’t forget to not mention the fact that the Democrat ran to his RIGHT on immigration.

I love that story. And I love the dishonesty with which you tell it. Over and over and over and over and over.

This is how McCain apologists advocate for McCain. Dishonestly.

misterpeasea on July 15, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Comment pages: 1 2