AP photog stands by while Taliban executes women
posted at 3:45 pm on July 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Rusty has the pics and makes an important point about the timespan involved here. Does the AP’s Statement of News Values and Principles permit propaganda shots? Let’s see. Under “Conflicts of Interest”:
AP employees must avoid behavior or activities – political, social or financial – that create a conflict of interest or compromise our ability to report the news fairly and accurately, uninfluenced by any person or action.
And under “Political Activities”:
Editorial employees are expected to be scrupulous in avoiding any political activity, whether they cover politics regularly or not. They may not run for political office or accept political appointment; nor may they perform public relations work for politicians or their groups.
Judge for yourself from the photos whether they constitute PR work. Best case scenario: The AP’s stringer was taken hostage and forced to document the killings, which would explain why he didn’t interfere but wouldn’t explain why the AP chose to run photos shot under duress, i.e. not “uninfluenced.” Worst case scenario: He’s a Taliban sympathizer and went willingly to the scene with the AP’s blessing, a possibility that isn’t quite as far-fetched as it should be. The question is why these shots seem so offensive when conservative blogs and milblogs themselves run images of jihadi propaganda all the time — as counter-propaganda, to document the enemy’s brutality. (The ultimate example is the footage of jumpers on 9/11.) Partly it’s the suspicion that the AP’s purported ethic of objectivity amounts to nonjudgmentalism; partly it’s the implicit legitimacy conferred on the Taliban by the photos, as though they’re no more or less entitled to do this than the Iraqi government was in executing Saddam. But mainly it’s the fear of a perverse incentive, a limited risk when blogs show jihadi clips to small audiences of like-minded readers but a mighty sizable one when there’s a major wire service right there in the enemy’s camp ready to beam out snuff to the world. Exit question: Why publish them? And why, after the Bilal Hussein fiasco, don’t they have specific guidelines for dealing with obvious propaganda displays?
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AP is trying to compete with Al-Jazeera.
jediwebdude on July 14, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Scum
Iblis on July 14, 2008 at 3:52 PM
I tend not to believe that in the least.
Much more plausible.
wise_man on July 14, 2008 at 3:53 PM
There are no homosexuals in Iran. There are no women in Afghanistan. I bet that there won’t be any children in Syria.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 14, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Maybe he’s not even a sympathizer. It seems more likely to me that he felt it was news and thus decided to report it without interfering as some sort of journalist code.
I wouldn’t put it past many in the MSM. I think the only reason they wouldn’t do the same here is because they’d be jailed. I don’t know why the same shouldn’t be done in this case though.
Esthier on July 14, 2008 at 3:55 PM
The Taliban obviously wanted him there clicking away. It’s propaganda.
jgapinoy on July 14, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Did the Taliban say, “Stick with us today and you’ll get a great snuff shot.” or did they say, “Stick with us today and get some stories”
I can’t blame the guy for not trying to stop the execution in the moment. The Taliban has proven over and over again that they’ve got no problem killing journalists (no problem killing anyone, really).
However, if he knew in advance what was coming, I think he’s an accessory, since he didn’t try to give anyone a head’s up but chose to imbed and get the story instead.
And, if he’s not helping the authorities find the guys who did it after the fact, he’s guilty of obstruction.
JadeNYU on July 14, 2008 at 4:01 PM
I see no reason not to post these pictures and this video. The Americian people need to know what and who our enemies are.
The Supreme court will not allow exucutions of child rapists in this country. The taliban kill suspected prositutes. That is a very big difference in types of societies people want to live under.
unseen on July 14, 2008 at 4:02 PM
The “before” photo has this caption with it:
Whoever wrote that is completely morally bankrupt – here is a photo of two women, kneeling for the purpose of being executed and awaiting the shot that will kill them, and the person who wrote the caption says they are “chatting” as if they just met over coffee . . . the whole episode with those photos is disgusting.
reine.de.tout on July 14, 2008 at 4:03 PM
What was an unarmed photographer supposed to do to stop a gang of well-armed extremists bent on murder?
The AP didn’t have to publish the photos and video, though.
aero on July 14, 2008 at 4:13 PM
I don’t think this is the same as the Hussein scenario. In that case, the guy was clearly tipped off and used as a tool. This guy could have just been there covering these Taliban guys, and found himself in a very bad situation.
I mean… what would any of YOU have done? Arguably, taking the video and photos is the best he could do to hurt these guys.
DaveS on July 14, 2008 at 4:15 PM
..and it smells of hypocrisy for Allah to ask “why publish them” in a front page post er, publicizing them.
Grow Fins on July 14, 2008 at 4:15 PM
You’re missing the discussion. It isn’t about what to do with the pictures that have already been taken, it’s about what the journalist knew and when he knew it and whether or not he’s helping them.
If he knew before and still took the pictures, he’s as sick as they are.
If he only knew afterwards and still has done nothing, he’s still as sick as they are and even more so for them profiting off of those pictures.
Esthier on July 14, 2008 at 4:16 PM
He didn’t post the pictures.
Esthier on July 14, 2008 at 4:16 PM
The Associated Press is a despicable organization, there is no doubt about that. But in watching this video my anger flares much more against the Taliban and Islam generally. It’s a brutal death cult.
Maxx on July 14, 2008 at 4:18 PM
There is no level of force that is too much to wipe the sick sons of bitches that perpetrate this kind of brutality on women off the face of this planet.
However, as to the photographer…
I can’t disagree.
MadisonConservative on July 14, 2008 at 4:18 PM
I say more power to him! Those women were going to die whether he was there or not. The more we can publicize the brutality of these monsters, the better it is for the side of decency. Anbar did not suddenly awaken because the coalition paid better, they did so because of the abject terror visited upon them by their so-called comrades.
Those burqas alone are enough to make me want to kick their backward asses; maybe a few blood-soaked ones are what it’s going to take for someone else to get on board. I can’t believe shit like this happens there all the time and yet our NATO “allies” sit around wringing their hands over whether to increase their commitment to that country.
Kafir on July 14, 2008 at 4:20 PM
No, it doesn’t. If you need the difference explained to you then you need to grow something besides fins.
Oldnuke on July 14, 2008 at 4:25 PM
The Associated Press, as has the New York Times, has lost all journalistic integrity in their conveyance of the news. This was murder and should’ve been handled as such so that the public outcry can keep these innocent victims from contnuing to be butchered.
volsense on July 14, 2008 at 4:32 PM
The Associated (with terrorists) Press. Of course.
locomotivebreath1901 on July 14, 2008 at 4:37 PM
A couple of things about the news video at th eend of Rusty’s story that bothered me. The female reporter (BBC?) stated that the two women were “working as prostitutes” (she did not say allegedly — which i think is either just bad journalism or maybe something else i don’t know…))
and she also made a point of saying that the AP photog heard a commotion and filmed from a distance…
max1 on July 14, 2008 at 4:38 PM
These “journalists” for the AP have a handy nack for standing next to snipers, mortar teams, ied manufacturers and executioners. It seems they will stand at arms length of and then hide the identity of anyone who is currently or about to murder innocents. The CIA/FBI would be well served by grabbing a camera and applying for a job as cub sympathizer or rather “reporter”.
Bfunky292 on July 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM
The left watched this kind of crap go on for eight years under the Clinton administration, as Clinton did nothing more that talk…well, he did refuse to take Osama bin Laden – several times – when Sudan offered him up.
During those years, the Taliban used STADIUMS for their murdering activities. AP was probably there also…
Karmi on July 14, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Now that’s an interesting proposition. Have Special Ops agents go in with falsified press credentials and carry out mission objectives. Wonder how long it would be before AP members suddenly are not so welcomed by these murdering freaks?
MadisonConservative on July 14, 2008 at 4:47 PM
He could have taken the pictures and the video as he may have feared for his life if he did not but the AP should NEVER have published them out of common human decency; this was outright murder.
If I were them I’d keep one eye looking skyward; those Hellfire loaded Predators have a nasty habit of being in the right place at the right time. Same goes for any AP personnel with them……
Bubba Redneck on July 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Jesus.
Professor Blather on July 14, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Ask barry and he’ll tell you they did it because of us.
peacenprosperity on July 14, 2008 at 5:07 PM
I thought the new Journalistic code was to try and change the world.
reaganaut on July 14, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Disgusting. Ive lost my dinner.
becki51758 on July 14, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Why does the word “chatting” irritate me so much.
*
NOW issued a statement…”The deserved it”
right2bright on July 14, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Because “chatting” makes it sound like it’s such a normal thing, which it probably is, or that these women were somehow ok with their imminent slaughter. But I doubt they were just “chatting”.
4shoes on July 14, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I completely agree he would have been killed had he tried to interfere. However I question as to why he chose to publish the pictures once he was safely away from the Taliban?
Instead he should have written a story of the experience depicting the senseless brutality of the Taliban and in his story explain why he chose NOT to publish the pictures as a protest to the brutality he witnessed and further explain he didn’t want to be used by the Taliban as a propaganda tool.
Instead this Taliban tool chose to publish the pictures anyway to further the Taliban’s propaganda machine; therefore he is complicit in murder and a Taliban sympathizer!
Liberty or Death on July 14, 2008 at 5:36 PM
The human- and women’s rights groups are all over this.
Entelechy on July 14, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the Taliban asked this scumbucket for extra copies..and he said “Sure!”
pilamaye on July 14, 2008 at 5:49 PM
How nice of the AP’s useful idiots to give the psychopathic killers’ “reason” (supposedly these two victims were “prostitutes“) for their cold-blooded murder of unarmed, helpless women.
Guess that makes it understandable in some heartless maniac’s worldview.
Scum filming and scum shooting.
profitsbeard on July 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM
You weren’t the only one.
It bothered me – and likely you – because it was so blatantly out of place. And it seemed like to use that word, you’d have to be willfully, maliciously denigrating the last few moments of those womens’ lives.
Chatting not only didn’t fit – it was intentionally cruel.
I don’t know what they were doing. But I guarantee it wasn’t chatting. I’d guess it was a pretty serious conversation. Probably about their loved ones … or hopes of rescue or escape … or maybe a last word of affection for each other. Maybe they were friends comforting each other in the most dire of all possible circumstances.
But they were most definitely not chatting.
I’d guess – ironically – that they were probably praying together.
And I hope whatever God there is welcomed them home with open arms.
I hope that a lot, about a lot of people, these days. Because if that hope is true, then I guess things make sense. If its not, well … then nothing makes sense.
God bless them.
Professor Blather on July 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM
The religion of peace strikes again… Sick bastards.
Claypigeon on July 14, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Is that true? I can’t completely agree with it. I don’t have enough facts.
Did the reporter even say anything? Did he even ask questions? Did he have the moral courage to at least say: “Please, don’t kill these women …?”
And if he didn’t – do we know for a fact that his words would have made no difference?
I hope he did. I hope he did all he could, and it made no difference. I hope – for his sake – that he didn’t quietly sit there and take pictures.
And for what it’s worth, if he had tried to stop it – and been killed as a result – well, there are worse ways to die.
I think I’d rather be dead than live the rest of my life knowing that happened in front of me while I did nothing.
Professor Blather on July 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Of course he published them.
If he didn’t, his special Taliban sources would dry up.
The man has to make a living after all…
JadeNYU on July 14, 2008 at 6:34 PM
In my book, a propaganda shot would be one that, when viewed by people not directly involved, might increase sympathy towards the Taliban.
Do you like the Taliban after viewing these pictures more than you did before?
I didn’t think so.
So then these are not propaganda pictures but in fact pictures that expose the Taliban as brutal thugs.
factoid on July 14, 2008 at 6:38 PM
It may not make someone like them better, but fear them more and so they will acquiesce to their will instead of resist if they come along to take over a village. “Let them hate, as long as they fear” works.
ScottG on July 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Love of money.
It seems life is cheap in the muslim world and the AP is even cheaper.
Zorro on July 14, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Speakup on July 14, 2008 at 8:33 PM
SICK!
Memo: to the left,thats why their is still
a WOT!
canopfor on July 14, 2008 at 9:18 PM
That’s friggin’ evil.
But assuming they were prostitutes, how do you guys think they should have been punished? Stoning? Caning? How about being held in a dungeon of sorts for a while?
scotta on July 14, 2008 at 10:00 PM
how do you guys think they should have been punished?
Having to do you.
I’m kidding, of course — that would obviously be needlessly cruel and inhumane.
TABoLK on July 14, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Who is the guy?
Since NYT can out CIA people, why not “out” this guy?
If a Congressman can make pray for Al Queda attention to someone in CIA, why not “out” this guy?
I suspect AQ is already going to look pretty hard at newsies who want to “embed”. Like, show them a goat and if they don’t do the right thing, then you know…
Harry Schell on July 14, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Assuming for a second that your question is serious: As a libertarian, I think sex between consenting adults is none of the government’s business. Much less the business of unelected thugs. So, if they indeed were prostitutes, I can see their spiritual advisers counseling them against prostituting themselves. I can see the most effective local NGO (the Taliban) offering them an alternative way of earning a living (yeah, right) but I can’t see myself supporting any kind of punishment, not even six hours of community service.
factoid on July 14, 2008 at 10:11 PM
You wanna try this sentence again, bro?
factoid on July 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Amen. I’d like to see FutureWeapons use these bastards as live targets.
infidel4life on July 14, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Something is wrong about this story.
I can’t beleave a westerner would hit that.
TheSitRep on July 15, 2008 at 7:47 AM
And now for more ‘truth’ in photography, here’s the AFP…again. Anyone else see what’s wrong with this photo. US soldiers secure the area at a newly installed check-point at the Babadag training facility in Tulcea, Iraq. At least 28 people were killed when two suicide bombers blew themselves up in a crowd of recruits on an Iraqi army base in an area known to be a stronghold of Al-Qaeda fighters.
(AFP/Daniel Mihailescu)
BohicaTwentyTwo on July 15, 2008 at 8:56 AM
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