White House foreign policy for sale?
posted at 10:58 am on July 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
The London Times runs a disturbing investigative story today that shows a former Bush bundler and lobbyist selling access to the highest levels of government in return for donations to the future Bush presidential library. Stephen Payne, who bundled for both of George W Bush’s presidential campaigns and now works at Worldwide Strategic Partners, tells an undercover reporter representing himself as an agent of the former president of Kyrgyzstan that it will take $200 thousand minimum as a contribution to get an audience with Dick Cheney or Condoleezza Rice. The Times helpfully caught the entire transaction on video:
A lobbyist with close ties to the White House is offering access to key figures in George W Bush’s administration in return for six-figure donations to the private library being set up to commemorate Bush’s presidency.
Stephen Payne, who claims to have raised more than $1m for the president’s Republican party in recent years, said he would arrange meetings with Dick Cheney, the vice-president, Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, and other senior officials in return for a payment of $250,000 (£126,000) towards the library in Texas.
Payne, who has accompanied Bush and Cheney on several foreign trips, also said he would try to secure a meeting with the president himself.
The actual cash requirement, Payne explains, would be much larger — between $600-750 thousand dollars. The balance would remain with Payne’s firm as a commission for the deal. In return, the meeting would result in an American statement of somewhat ambiguous support for the former president, presumably Askar Akayev, the Soviet-era holdover chased out of office in a moderately-successful lurch towards democracy. The message would be that Akayev wasn’t as bad as people think and deserves a second chance.
Regardless of the party in power, this kind of activity is tremendously damaging to the United States. Our credibility as an actor on behalf of democracy is threatened when these kinds of shakedowns occur. It’s a flat-out solicitation of a bribe, and Payne should be arrested and prosecuted for it, regardless of whether he acted with the authority to deliver such a meeting or not. This threatens our standing to pursue democratization efforts everywhere, but especially in neighboring Iran, where those efforts are critical to our national security and the ability to avoid war.
The question is whether Payne had the kind of connections and access to deliver on his solicitation, and whether anyone in the present administration gave him a license to collect donations as a trade-off for donations to the presidential library. Only a thorough investigation will reveal whether the latter condition existed. On the first count, Payne certainly has the kind of connections to lend this solicitation a lot of weight in the eyes of those who want to influence our government. He has raised a lot of money for Bush in his two successful bids for the presidency, making the “Ranger” rank in 2004. WSP has taken down its page on its partners, but the Google cache shows Payne as highly connected (saved in part here):
Mr. Payne was a vital volunteer member of the Bush 2000 and 2004 campaigns’ Advance operations, in which he spent more than a year traveling with the campaign as a volunteer. Mr. Payne was part of a small team of Bush operatives, including former White House Chief of Staff Andy Card, who coordinated the 2000 campaign’s efforts for the three Presidential debates, also serving as the Lead Advance Representative for the 2004 Vice Presidential debate. Mr. Payne’s national and state fundraising efforts are extensive. In both 2000 and 2004, Mr. Payne was not only one of the top Bush Campaign fundraisers in the nation, but also one of the youngest, earning him select national recognition. Mr. Payne’s fundraising activity includes membership on the Bush for President National Finance Committee, the Republican National Finance Committee, and the 2001 Presidential Inaugural Committee as Deputy Director and Congressional Liaison. Additionally, Mr. Payne served as a fundraiser and statewide Vice-Chairman for Texas Governor Rick Perry’s 2002 campaign, as a Harris County Co-Chair for Perry’s 1998 Lieutenant Governor race and as a statewide Vice-Chairman for Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison’s re-election campaigns in 2000 and 2006.
Many of us on the Right have loudly complained about the corruption in the Clinton administration that led to the pardon for Marc Rich, and rightly so. His estranged wife paid $450,000 to the Clinton Library fund, and Bill Clinton pardoned Rich in the last hours of his presidency. This has even been an issue in this particular presidential campaign, as one of the men responsible for bypassing Department of Justice protocols in securing the pardon now serves as a senior adviser to Barack Obama on the VP vetting committee and on national security: Eric Holder. In that case, the payoff cycle was complete; in this case, only the initial part of it has been exposed, but both are exactly the same kind of corruption.
Is it possible that Payne was just blowing smoke to gain a $500,000 payday for his firm? Sure, but that’s still fraud, and it could also make it a violation of the Logan Act. It’s hard to imagine why someone with Payne’s connections would take that kind of risk without some sense that he had enough authority to avoid those possibilities, though. This deserves a thorough investigation, one that should be supported by all Americans.










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THIS is why Congress has the lowest approval ratings in the history of approval ratings. The American public is tired of being betrayed, scammed, lied to and disrespected by politicians on both sides as well as the slimy hangers-on that gravitate to the rush of power and influence associated with the beltway.
cannonball on July 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM
We should simply have an entire new slate of politicians this November. I recommend the HotAir posters.
Mojave Mark on July 13, 2008 at 11:09 AM
W needs to come clean on this one post haste. A large reason I vigorously defend him here in Bluetown is a deep seated feeling that he is personally beyond the sleaze. Policy is one thing, and we can differ without my losing respect for him, but this is the type of behavior I had assumed would be banished in his term. Let us hope this guy has become a rogue actor, and the 66% cut he was angling for the motive. If that is the case, let the bus back up over him repeatedly. If not – then the signs of the times are worse than I realized.
rhodeymark on July 13, 2008 at 11:10 AM
saw this last night,sad.
trailortrash on July 13, 2008 at 11:11 AM
This tape is not recent… certainly made before Rice became SOS.
T J Green on July 13, 2008 at 11:16 AM
The Bush Presidential Library? Is this one of the benefits now of being a former head-of-state?
NeighborhoodCatLady on July 13, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Heartache.
Spirit of 1776 on July 13, 2008 at 11:19 AM
If I give a million clams, will Condi and Cheney dance the Mashed Potato together in matching chiffon tutus
while reciting “My Captain, My Captain“?
profitsbeard on July 13, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Ask Bill and Jimmy.
andycanuck on July 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM
If it looks like a duck, quacks, and waddles…
fossten on July 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Offering access is unseemly and awful (but not really surprising if not disappointing). But promising that the President would make a positive statement about the individual/donor is just unacceptably appalling. Foreign policy for sale indeed.
It’s hard to be appalled nowadays, but this does it for me. As JFK once said, sometimes the party asks too much of you.
Like everyone here, I’m no fan of Henry Waxman’s. But this is one time where he needs to be on the case (partisan hack that he is).
SteveMG on July 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM
No, this is recent. He offers a meeting with Dr Rice and the “deputy secretary”, so this is after 2004. Besides, the ToL would hardly have sat on this for more than three years before deciding to write about it.
Ed Morrissey on July 13, 2008 at 11:25 AM
It has long been my sense that Bush — despite some of the truly good things he has done — is not, and never has been, what we think he is/wish him to be.
That can be said for many politicians, who go about feathering their own nests while (probably) sincerely believing they are doing the People’s Work.
In fact, it is the most frightening aspect of the Obama campaign. For an unaccomplished nobody with a record of questionable alliances to become a presidential candidate so quickly suggests much manipulation by unknown forces.
The same might be said of Bush, even though he had Daddy’s help.
There are two things that must happen, and quickly: the story must be proven absolutely true (if it is) and Payne must be punished, and whoever above him was responsible for allowing this to happen must be exposed and punished.
This is no partisan deal. In fact, until members of both parties (I can think of plenty of Democrats I’d suspect of similar activities) know they can and will be punished severely for such abuse, it will continue to happen.
MrScribbler on July 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Waxman is one of the last people on earth I’d want to see investigating this.
Rabidly partisan “hearings” full of innuendos and lies will only make both sides dig in their heels, and such tactics are Waxman’s bread and butter..
MrScribbler on July 13, 2008 at 11:29 AM
+1
JiangxiDad on July 13, 2008 at 11:30 AM
This kind of activity is completely unacceptable no matter who engages in it. Investigate and prosecute if warranted.
OT – Ed Morrissey’s done a great single-handed job of keeping us informed and entertained here at HotAir this week during AP’s vacation. Thanks, Ed!
Gilda on July 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM
And republicans wonder why they no longer have the support of conservatives. Ha. Throw the book at him.
Zorro on July 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I’m sure we all recall that story about the female lobbyist who was claiming that she had access (ahem) to McCain and could get “things done” for clients. The McCain staff told her to stop exaggerating her influence.
My guess – hope? – is that this fund raiser is puffing up a bit – making a sell – about access and influence. Although his credentials seem to indicate otherwise.
SteveMG on July 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM
the ‘Lobby’ industry is just legal bribery.
Our entire system is corrupt these days. Voting for Obama or McCain isn’t going to change anything. Its about time we start talking about more honorable methods. Not just re-arranging deck chairs.
DwnSouthJukin on July 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM
WAit, wait, politicians are sleazy hypocritical money grubbers!!!
See my shocked face… Oh wait, that’s not shocked, that’s my “so what else is new” face.
Pres. Bush (contrary to what Moveon.org says) is not Hitler, but he’s a politician. As are Dr. Rice and VP Cheney. There’s probably many a potential scandal there. But the Dems ain’t any better.
In conclusion, they all suck. That’s why they’re politicians and not, you know, useful to actual life.
mjk on July 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM
All three branches of government have historical low public approval ratings… This is why all Democrats and some Republicans want to silence the new media by way of the fairness doctrine, or some version of labeled with a new name. These corrupt scumbags (posing as politicians) don’t take kindly to anybody or anything exposing the truth about their lil club.
Great piece Ed! I don’t care if they have an (R) or a (D) before their name; corruption is a large piece of the “enemy within”… We must always remember these great words;
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Keemo on July 13, 2008 at 11:37 AM
This is really disturbing. What I really want to know is what can regular folks do to keep such stuff from happening in Washington? What will solve this problem?
terryannonline on July 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM
‘former’
What part of ‘he doesn’t work here any more’ do you not get?
but….but….but….but….but…..but….but…but…..but
rockhauler on July 13, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Agreed! The drive-by lefties have successfully convinced the public he is a conservative but, with a few exceptions, Bush is a raging moderate. He has been portrayed as a conservative evangelical, but within the world of the Christian right, he would be considered moderate to liberal. On issue after issue after issue, President Bush has betrayed real conservatives. I think his conservatism has been limited by a certain patrician elitism and globalism.
All that said, I’ve always believed Bush to be personally decent. I hope it’s never proven he was aware of any sort of influence peddling nonsense.
flyfisher on July 13, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Well, this will get Pelosi and the donks off the front page hot seat on energy for a while and it also blunts any criticism of Obama’s judgment for his choice of Jim Johnson as VP scout, the William Jefferson scandal, or Murtha’s shenanigans..
I’ll bet this isn’t the only shoe of this nature to drop in the next few months. There are plenty of GOP skeletons rattling around.
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 11:44 AM
wow…I am soo disgusted with politicians at all levels. blah
HOw do you know who to trust anymore?
becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 11:44 AM
I’d rather not. A lot of
usyou are f***ing crazy.Darth Executor on July 13, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Ed is right, this isn’t a liberal / conservative issue or Dem versus Repub, it is was has come to pass as politics as usual for the DC crowd. I have been on the throw out the incumbents band wagon for a while. Maybe some new people, elected in sufficient numbers to not allow them to be bullied by the entrenched professional politicians, who don’t know how the game is played will result in a government that is responsive to the American people.
But maybe not, who knows but at this point I am willing to take the chance.
Of course the access this guy was offering up goes beyond elected officials also and extends to those appointed. I would hope members of the cabinet would have more important things to do then shuttling between photo ops.
Just A Grunt on July 13, 2008 at 11:47 AM
flyfisher on July 13, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Very well stated!
Keemo on July 13, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Transparency would be a good start. So would harsh sure punishment, including major prison time. If this guy ran in the same small elite group as Andy Card, the smell goes up pretty high.
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 11:50 AM
While we’re at it, let’s get rid of the lifers at the State Department, EPA, IRS, Dept. of Education, etc.
flyfisher on July 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Maybe we should kind of wait and see what gives here. BTW, Bush is a conservative. Stuff like this is not about conservative and liberal. Cunningham was a conservative and he ended up in jail. DeLay is a conservative and he was known to skirt the line. By the same token, Murtha is a true Democrat and a crook with his own dirty laundry on tape.
But this guy is a former bundler, it would be interesting to see why he is former.
Terrye on July 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM
What part of ‘he doesn’t work here any more’ do you not get?
but….but….but….but….but…..but….but…but…..but
rockhauler on July 13, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Don’t you mean, “bah bah bah bah bah bah”? Keep flocking for the GOP son.
DanKenton on July 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM
The aspect I liked the most about Mitt Romney was that he is not from the old mold of politician (scumbag lawyer), but rather more of an MBA (business) type. Lawyers dominate DC, I’m ready to give those with business backgrounds a try.
Something must change; that’s the kind of “change” I’m ready for.
Keemo on July 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Ya think?
cannonball on July 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM
This whole situation sickens me. If starts at the local level, where big cities and medium cities (like mine) tolerate this kind of garbage, and then they think that they can get away with this crap on a larger level.
Squid Shark on July 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Bush wasn’t previously a lawyer and also has a MBA.
terryannonline on July 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Bush was an MBA, business, type. Ronald Reagan was an non-lawyer actor type. Jimmy Carter was a Peanut Farmer.
George Bush I was the business type.
Squid Shark on July 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM
This situation? No funding of Presidential libraries until after you are out of office.
In general: no pork bills, balanced budget, and full public accounting of every deposit and every withdrawl in EVERY politician’s personal and public purse. That last part too draconian? Too frakkin bad.
Limerick on July 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Ha! Beat you to it!
terryannonline on July 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM
MBA = three letters as meaningful as the letters MTV. Maybe long ago they meant something or described a product, but not anymore.
An MBA is about as useful as Tila Tequila.
cannonball on July 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM
this rots but how is it interest was never present while the Clinton library was being funded?
drjohn on July 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM
http://www.legalreform-now.org/menu1_5.htm
Yes, we have had some MBA types, doctors, engineers, et al… Doesn’t change the “lawyer dominated” aspect…
Keemo on July 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Speak for yourself. The voices in my head tell me I’m normal.
lorien1973 on July 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I would be in favor of legislation banning any former presidents from establishing library foundations while they are still in office. God knows this kind of stuff was rampant in the Clinton years too. It’s just too big a temptation for any political hack to use his/her connections to a prsident in this way.
McCain should immediately call for an investigation of this douchebag and for legislation.
rockmom on July 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM
You’re right to point that out. What is important to me is that we conservatives don’t care if the critter is dressed up in Blue or Red. Off with their……..assets. Turn them all into guests of the State.
The coming Blue Congress, and probably WH, will make going after Red critters the big deal of 09 to keep the public from looking at the Blue ones.
Limerick on July 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Bush raised staggering amounts of money for both of his campaigns. There’s no way that some of it isn’t tainted. Not a lot of people really will go out and bust their asses to raise $200,000 for someone without expecting something in return.
As bad as this incident looks, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that it led to any changes in Administration policy. Many of these cases end up being about sharp lobbyists duping foreign millionaires into believing they are buying special access to the White House, when they aren’t at all.
rockmom on July 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM
To vote for anybody who has been part of this government of corruption for any length of time will only perpetuate the corruption. To watch or even pay attention to the MSM also perpetuates it since the MSM believes whatever the politicians tell them without comparing what they have said in past elections to how they then behave when in office. I think the basic formula is “vote the bums out.”
Unrelated note. I have recently begun using Firefox instead of IE or Opera. And it gives me spell checking when I post here on HA.
snaggletoothie on July 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM
The part where he solicits donations for the Bush Presidential Library in exchange for access to VP Cheney and Dr. Rice.
aengus on July 13, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Yes, but the question is could he do it? And what type of access? A photo op?
Apparently – important qualifier – he had a successful career raising money. So, he’s not just blowing smoke.
Or completely blowing smoke.
I’m hoping that this looks worse than it is.
Ugh anyway.
SteveMG on July 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM
One would hope, but he’ll probably nod off to sleep over this, same as with Obama’s call for armed civilian militia groups.
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM
An MBA is about as useful as Tila Tequila.
cannonball on July 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I sure hope not, as we are currently invested very heavily in our son’s aspirations to achieve this title. Next thing I know, you’ll be telling me my wifes masters degree in Architecture is meaningless; good grief.
Keemo on July 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM
This guy’s a piker compared to Clinton. At least Clinton sold nuke secrets. This guy just wants face time with a higher up.
roninacreage on July 13, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Watch the video. Its in return for a visit and encouraging public statements “He was a good President.. We’re still friends” etc.
Why Payne’d be offering it he couldn’t deliver I don’t know, seems very unlikely.
aengus on July 13, 2008 at 12:40 PM
I thought it was the Bush Presidential Mosque.
BL@KBIRD on July 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM
It’ll help him get a good job and the potential for earning a high salary if nothing else.
It just cannot be taken as a indicator of good character any longer.
aengus on July 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Yes, I watched it.
Lobbyists make all sorts of promises, as I’m sure you know. About access, influence, et cetera.
Public statements? Or private ones? Private photos at some event?
Lots of questions.
SteveMG on July 13, 2008 at 12:43 PM
That video is absolutely repulsive.
I’ve long suspected these presidential libraries are nothing more than conduits to funnel cash to former officeholders so they can shelter the income and pay party officials to continue their activities.
A pox on both their houses.
PattyJ on July 13, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Rubbish.
Try getting ahead without one. I’ll agree that there are plenty of morons with MBAs, but in today’s business world you aren’t going anywhere without forking over xxxx number of dollars to some “institute of higher learning”.
reaganaut on July 13, 2008 at 12:45 PM
True.
An investigation would be nice.
“The American press can be silenced but not the British press.” — Dr Parker, FBI
aengus on July 13, 2008 at 12:49 PM
“My Captain, My Captain“?
profitsbeard on July 13, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Here’s my version,
Fitzgerald! Fitzgerald! your fearful trial is done;
The lie has weathered every rack, the scalp you sought soon won;
The jurys out, though they’re in doubt, the kossacks are exulting,
While follow all the comic tale of Wilson, grim and daring.
But O Fitz! Fitz! Fitz!
O the swelled and manxome head!
Now mocking truth, justice lies
Fallen cold and dead.
II.
O jury! dear Jury! rise up and take the bait;
Rise up! For you the shite is flung, for you the kossacks wait:
For you bouquets and ribboned wreaths, for Scooters scalp a’bringing:
For you they wait, the seething mob, their eager faces turning.
Here Jury! dear jury!
It’s Cheney in your head;
It is some dream and woven web,
Fitz prays your logic’s dead.
III.
The Fitzmas did not snag him, his lips are pale and thin;
He’s free to walk and talk the talk that Nancy’s off her ken;
The case is finished safe and sound, its cozen closed and done;
From hoax and tripe and closing’s shite awaits the object won!
Exult, O Times, and gull, O Post!
But I with mournful dread,
Walk the rue where justice lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
Beto Ochoa on July 13, 2008 at 12:50 PM
a capella:
It seems to me that the last time McCain tried to confront and deal with corruption in terms of fundraising all he got for his trouble was attacked by many members of his own party. They said he was interfering with free speech by trying to limit money in the campaigns. So I doubt he will try anything like that again.
The whole idea is that money corrupts.
But I am not going to attack Bush until I know more.
Terrye on July 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM
aengus:
Actually there are a lot more limitations on what the British press can publish, when the subject is British.
Terrye on July 13, 2008 at 12:54 PM
We need to take back our country by any and all means necessary. We better start by taking back our party.
TheBigOldDog on July 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM
We need lobby reform.
Make it illegal for former Administration officials to become lobbyists for fifteen years after holding a position, and you’ll end this corruption.
You know, they make the peons who work for government offices adhere to far stricter codes of conduct than this. Ask anyone who worked for, say, the CIA, even in a completely mundane position like tech support (I know a few).
Meryl Yourish on July 13, 2008 at 1:01 PM
“Kill’em all”….
As long as there are human beings around this stuff is going to happen.
Power corrupts.. and ultimate power corrupts ultimately..
The only thing that keeps these things in check is severe criticism and voting power, because the ballot box is what got them in this position in the first place.
Never doubt the power of dissent as instigated by a few and snowballs into a massive recall or change at the ballot box.
Mcguyver on July 13, 2008 at 1:08 PM
I don’t think thats what Dr. Parker was referring to.
I guessing he meant “The American press can be silenced [on issues important to the FBI] but not the British press.”
In any case the British press are better on sex scandals, wherever they occur.
aengus on July 13, 2008 at 1:13 PM
I think you have good valid. I also think the internet is a good thing because politicians are under severe scrutiny like never before. However, I am sure they will just find ways to be more secretive.
Sometimes I wish I didn’t know what was happening behind the scenes. Part of me just wants to keep my naivete.
terryannonline on July 13, 2008 at 1:20 PM
His name is on a bill which has accomplished nada in terms of dealing with corruption.
You aren’t going to stop greed with campaign finance reform bills. If McCain didn’t know that, he was as naive as Obama. But, this type of influence peddling isn’t campaign related. Why shouldn’t he step up and criticize it?
Bush has nothing to do with it unless he did what was promised.
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Actually the correct reform would be no dollar limitations on any political contributions and then each entity be forced to announce their contributions, to the world.
This would greatly minimize the need for fund raising lobbyists and force everybody to be honest and upfront, as well as eliminate “bundling”….
This then – no limits on politically contributed dollar amounts – is the true adherence to freedom of expression.
This is where you Fredheads are wrong in supporting Fred! as he fully believed that the government has the right to restrict political contributions and he was not criticized enough on this!!
Mcguyver on July 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM
With Obama criticising free speech as “ginning up” xenophobia he might be preparing to regulate the internet.
aengus on July 13, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Yep. Lobby reform and elimination of pork so voters can’t exercise their own form of greed in the form of selling their vote, will keep a lot of bad actors in limbo.
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 1:28 PM
McCain doesn’t care about campaign finance reform. That was just a pretty name for the masses. What he and the rest of congress were doing was creating a system that favors incumbents. Period.
snaggletoothie on July 13, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Sounds good in theory, but I have every faith that transparency could not be achieved. In place of bundlers, you then have groups dedicated to disguising sources, and do you really think enforcement would be consistent?
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 1:35 PM
“This
threatens[should be: belies] our standing to pursue democratization…”there, fixed that for ya!
elvis on July 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM
+1 on both
joewm315 on July 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Doesn’t Bill Clinton do this for a living…………?
Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Sometimes I wish I didn’t know what was happening behind the scenes. Part of me just wants to keep my naivete.
terryannonline on July 13, 2008 at 1:20 PM
My college son is home for the weekend with a few of his college mates; we just had that discussion at the dinner table last night. We concluded that much of America has taken a hard turn to the left in the past few decades, once Liberals take ground they don’t give it back. The times have changed as witnessed by the behavior of our press during a time of war; I.E. the “war of ideologies” ended at the waterfront during times of war. This is no longer the case; following 9/11, our country came together (shades of previous times)as one people angered by the slaughter of our own by a foreign enemy. Within a few short months, the press teamed up with the Democrats and went into attack the President mode; thus dividing the country. Katrina came and the press teamed up with the Democrats and attacked the President relentlessly, thus dividing the country further. On and on and on and on…. As is the case with the Liberal invention called “global warming”, every life situation was used (real or created) to attack the President and confuse the public.
We can’t ignore what we know if we are to hold on to the American dream, the American experiment. The existence of right vs wrong; the existence of good vs evil, can not be ignored, shoved under the rug, or kicked down the road for future generations to deal with. This is our time, our duty, our responsibility. Political Correctness has softened Americans to the point where far too many have become afraid to say the wrong thing, behave the wrong way, tentative to address the obvious. We have all experienced this dynamic “say that, and I’ll sue your ass into bankruptcy”; or something along those lines. Judges handing out large settlements to people who “suffered through emotional pain” because somebody called them skinny, or fat, or ugly… Geez, we have become soft and sensitive. Can’t even have a decent manly fist fight anymore without the threat of getting sued into bankruptcy.
America is worth fighting for in my view. Liberals are fighting for keeps behind organizations such as the ACLU & CAIR; are we willing to fight? Hope so!
Keemo on July 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM
A bribery-free zone can’t be established any more than a gun-free zone. The remainder of the comment seems to show that the commenter already understands; however, a sort of magical thinking about their President seems widespread among the Americans, and it seems good for the Americans to rid their countrymen of it, as best they can.
Kralizec on July 13, 2008 at 1:59 PM
He wrote the textbook.
Beto Ochoa on July 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM
It should be illegal to raise money for a presidential library while still in office.
MayBee on July 13, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Any guesses on how long it will take to get the Democrats portraying this as more of the Bush/Republican culture of corruption that worked so well for them in 2006? It’s things like this that make people forget how inept and asinine the Democratic Majority Congress is.
Snake307 on July 13, 2008 at 2:12 PM
The timing is perfect. Knocks the donk’s Congressional approval ratings and Obama;s unfitness right off the front pages. There’ll be more to come. This is the first salvo.
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM
I used to be that stupid.
The Race Card on July 13, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Sunday’s outrage is Monday’s memory.
The Race Card on July 13, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Ed, my topic is unrelated to this issue, but perhaps you are able to tap into your resources to investigate a disturbing bit of information that I heard this past week.
Supposedly Afghanistan has offered first dibs on copper to the US. The country is rich in this resource, and, I imagine that the option was extended to our country out of gratitude. The State Department rejected the offer.
While I recognize that the information may simply be hearsay, the person telling me this has a nephew deployed as an officer in Afghanistan. The nephew is a West Point graduate, so I would imagine that he is privy to information.
The topic came up while we were in a waiting room having our cars serviced. The gentleman who told me this is a plumber who owns his own business. We were discussing politics and our engagements in the ME. With the price of copper at a high, he said that newly constructed, unoccupied homes and empty foreclosed homes are being stripped of copper: wiring and in the case of older homes, plumbing. Then he proceeded to share the information that his nephew had told him.
Now, we have seen rogue elements in the State Department undermining the Bush Administration. Is it possible that orchestrated subversion ended up nixing this offer by Afghanistan?
Sorry for the diversion, but I don’t know where else to ask this question.
onlineanalyst on July 13, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Whoa…
Stephen Payne has to go. If he was able to arrange meetings, then Bush has some ‘splannin’ to do.
Theworldisnotenough on July 13, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I certainly hope so! Because if he wasn’t, then this, combined with North Korea’s removal from the terror watch list in exchange for some possibly-dubious capitulations, raises serious questions.
MB007 on July 13, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Time for total disclosure of contributions to political campaigns, AND presidential libraries, online within 24 hours.
Right_of_Attila on July 13, 2008 at 3:37 PM
…As Tila Tequila? Whoow!
Reaps on July 13, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Gentlemen, what amazes me is… that you still; cling to your commitment to “defend and serve”…these political bedfellows?
J_Gocht on July 13, 2008 at 4:14 PM
It doesn’t matter if the guy was kicked out before this happened, or if he was lying, the MSM will ensure that this is the “Bush Legacy” because they lie without conscience or concern.
That’s what sickens me the most. Every time you hear a piece of “news” you have to do hours of research or just assume it’s a twisted lie. We might as well not have news at all, what we do have is worse than useless.
If car makers made cars like news organizations make news, we’d all still be riding horses.
Merovign on July 13, 2008 at 4:14 PM
What are you talking about? I don’t have any commitment to any “political bedfellow”.
aengus on July 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Only… because the British have a handle on the truth? What am I missing here?
Who might mount the investigation with credibility?
The Democrat controlled Congress of the United States…?
J_Gocht on July 13, 2008 at 4:39 PM
LOL! Sure.
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 5:06 PM
So what would constitute the said evidence?
freevillage on July 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM
You know when this is said on HotAir it’s gotta be a Republican.
Nonfactor on July 13, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Unfortunately this isn’t really news. It seems to be standard Washington practice (note the lobbyist also mentions Joe Biden’s name). Harpers ran an interesting article about this practice last year. It’s worth a read.
Solution: more disclosure.
Spolitics on July 13, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Hey [darn] spot-Oh…
Congrats, I’m really surprised your team got on this blip so FAST!
Olde soldier sends…!
Oh yes, I understand afterall this is HOTAIRE!
J_Gocht on July 13, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Speaking of teamwork:
a capella on July 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM
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