Team McCain Conference Call: La Raza conference

posted at 1:29 pm on July 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

John McCain’s campaign scheduled a conference call to discuss Barack Obama’s comments to the National Council of La Raza  — which Michelle Malkin noted in a post earlier today. The campaign presented Rosario Marin, former U.S. Treasurer, as its surrogate on the call.

Marin says the campaign expects Obama to say that McCain has changed his mind on immigration reform, and that nothing could be further from the truth.  Congress has failed to fix the problems of illegal immigration for 24 years, but McCain was one of the only members to attempt a bipartisan reform.  Barack Obama was part of the problem, casting votes that unraveled the bipartisan compromise. Obama hasn’t shown any leadership or any effort to risk his standing in order to solve the problem, as McCain has.

McCain understands that the American people overwhelmingly want the borders secured first, and McCain will support this before any other reforms take place.   But he will also work across the aisle to complete a comprehensive immigration reform after the border has been secured.

Questions:

  • Given McCain’s record on immigration, why hasn’t he gained more traction among Latinos? — Party registration is higher for Democrats among Latinos, but there are a large number of undecideds (26%).  The Latinos who know his record support him, and the ones who don’t are less likely to do so.  Communication is the key.
  • Me – What does border security mean, and will he tell La Raza that border security comes first? — Marin says he says this repeatedly.  The campaign says that he and Lindsey Graham have already set up these parameters — 700 miles of border fencing (and other points as well), and the added measure of border-state governors certifying that it has been secured before proceeding with the rest of his reform efforts.
  • Why hasn’t he done a better job of communicating? — Marin says that he has done a very good job, but the polling has been somewhat faulty.  In Arizona, he got more than 70% of the Latino vote in his re-election to the Senate.  Marin also emphasizes the importance of winning the independents.
  • Where are the strengths of Obama and McCain in the subdemographics of Latinos, and how important is immigration to Latinos as opposed to other issues like health care?  The Latino community cannot be put in a neat little box.  There are Latinos who have been Americans for generations, and recent immigrants, and people who come from a variety of nations.   Immigration is a key for Latinos, though, as a bellwether for political credibility.  Obama was “AWOL” on immigration until the presidential campaign.
  • What will be the priorities of the elements of reform?  McCain has shown a proven record on immigration, whereas Obama has only given talk.  McCain has also made clear he will do it in steps: border security comes first.  Afterwards, he will work with both parties to determine the priority of the rest of the elements of reform.  “The American people are tired of all of the partisanship”.  McCain can bring people together, and did so at great political peril — which shows the courage he has and the risks to his own career that he will take to do what he sees as right.

Interesting call.  The message of “borders first” has clearly been heard by Team McCain, and one wonders whether the recent addition of Steve Schmidt hasn’t brought a little more focus to that position.  Marin repeated it over and over again, and although we haven’t seen the remarks to La Raza yet, the campaign is pushing that hard.

Update: Don’t miss The Other McCain’s coverage of the call.


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The message of “borders first” has clearly been heard by Team McCain,

by that you mean they pay a lot of lip service. if they really got the message they would stop pushing for amnesty and such and do some real enforcement. during the debates last year it was mccain’s minions who fought tooth and nail againsty every amendment to put some bite in the enforcement portions of the bill. as long as he insists we cant have enforcement w/o amnesty we will fight him tooth and nail.

chasdal on July 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM

500 post thread in 5…4…3…2…1

Squid Shark on July 13, 2008 at 1:36 PM

The very fact that he’s even attending, let alone speaking at, “The Race” conference shows he’s heard and learned nothing. He’s still the same old open-borders RINO.

KSgop on July 13, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Where are the strengths of Obama and McCain in the subdemographics of Latinos, and how important is immigration to Latinos as opposed to other issues like health care? The Latino community cannot be put in a neat little box. ***

Putting principles aside, the Machiavellian political decision Republicans need to make on border enforcement is this. If Latinos split 60/40 for Democrats, will strengthening border enforcement sufficiently stem the immigration tide to prevent a fundamental demographic shift that will put Democrats in charge for generations to come? And, can Republicans accomplish that task without turning Latino voters into the next 90/10 Democrat identity voting bloc like black and Jewish voters?

I think Mexicans (the largest Latino group here) are going to be fundamentally liberal in orientation. Mexico is basically a socialist country, and Mexicans are liberal Catholics who support redistributive policies. Most Latino immigrants are also low-income and therefore have a personal interest in getting as many free government goodies as possible.

Our only hope, regardless of what we do with immigration policy, is to assimilate our Latino populations as quickly as possible and to try and sell them on conservative values. If they become an insular identity-politics-dominated community, we are doomed.

Outlander on July 13, 2008 at 1:38 PM

La Raza to McCain at La Raza meeting, ” Fence? We don’t need any stinking fence”

2theright on July 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM

At one of these conference calls, someone should ask:

Is McCain planning to co-sponsor immigration reform when it’s brought to the floor by President Obama. Cuz, you know, I don’t feel like McCain gives a crap whether he wins or loses.

lorien1973 on July 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM

I think I would actually believe some of this gobble goo if instead of meeting with La Raza, he would shun them.
I’m sure there are many other racist special interest groups that would welcome a visit from a Presidential candidate. Yet La Raza is the recipient of this honor over and over. As long as he continues to treat them as a legitimate group, I won’t believe a word he says.

austinnelly on July 13, 2008 at 1:40 PM

we are doomed.

Outlander on July 13, 2008 at 1:38 PM

That is all that was needed. The trend of this country is bigger government and less freedoms.

lorien1973 on July 13, 2008 at 1:40 PM

“The message of “borders first” has clearly been heard by Team McCain…”

OK, then DO IT!

“My friends, it’s time for some straight talk…..”

You are a sitting Senator, SECURE THE DAMN BORDERS!!!

“Well, surely we will have to wait until Sen. Kennedy is well enough to take part in the discussions……”

SECURE THE FRICKIN BORDERS………. NOW!!!!!!

Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM

OT/ 9 US soldiers dead in attack in Afghanistan

William Amos on July 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Cuz, you know, I don’t feel like McCain gives a crap whether he wins or loses.

I’m glad I’m not the only one that senses this. I get no sense from McCain that he really gives a damn about winning this election. Even with his position on Iraq, the only issue I get any sense that he cares remotely about is amnesty. And I’ve had the same cynical thought that if Obama won, McCain would be front and center in any amnesty effort.
As I think back to the primary, the only candidate who gave me the sense that he really wanted to win was Mitt Romney..and I didn’t even like him that much. Fred and Rudy barely showed up. Huckabee was like the guy at the party that put the family cat down his pants to get a laugh; he just enjoyed someone noticing him. But Romney seemed to be the only one that really wanted the GOP to win. Oh well.

austinnelly on July 13, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Ed, I wished you had asked Marin about the effect of employer sanctions on illegal immigration. McCain has said we can’t bus 12,000,000 Mexicans back home. But if they find they can’t work here legally, won’t they find their way home on their own? That would save a lot of gas. :)

Paul-Cincy on July 13, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I live a couple of hundred yards from Mexico, and the folks in El Paso (almost 90% Latino, if the real numbers are counted) are not all for either open borders or slimy pochos like La Raza – a collection of racists and anti-Semites.

I trust McCain on this issue only very slightly more than Obama. McCain will get 25-30% of the Latino vote, no matter what he does. He’s going to get a tiny amount of the black vote. That’s it – he attracts the large number of very patriotic Hispanic vets and that will not change. So what is he trying to do with all this lunatic hispandering, unless it’s to prey upon the unease that many hispanics have with African-Americans, often slandered down here as “llantas” – which translates to “tires”.

He better start worrying about the other 80% of the electorate who are witnessing his pathetic pandering and insane flip-flopping around. That’s where he’s going to really get his old ass kicked if he doesn’t shape the hell up.

TexasJew on July 13, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Actually there isn’t anything broken about US immigration law. Nothing really that needs immediate attention, nor fixing. The current brand spanking new, unused laws, circa 1986, just needs to be enforced.

tarpon on July 13, 2008 at 1:45 PM

The campaign says that he and Lindsey Graham have already set up these parameters — 700 miles of border fencing (and other points as well), and the added measure of border-state governors certifying that it has been secured before proceeding with the rest of his reform efforts.

Ed, was there any followup to this answer? How can he assure us the governor certification program won’t be driven by politics? How will it be determined? What are the details of the fence and other security measures? How can he keep Congress from emasculating this fence bill as was done with the last one?

a capella on July 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM

A) Good question Ed, “What does border security mean?” I don’t think McCain, or his campaign, have adequately answered this question.

B) What does it mean when the governors of the border states have to certify that their borders are secure? Isn’t it the federal line of demarcation we’re talking about not state? It’s the federal government’s job to ensure the federal border is secure, right? Why does McCain bring up this, apparent, nonsense about state certification? Wouldn’t the state’s certification be a violation of federalism?

I am rather unsure if McCain has actually changed his mind over the public’s objection over his amnesty bill. His belief that it is merely a matter of border security, is either tactical or naive. Border security, while important, is merely a part of the solution that we, the public, wish to see our government enforce. Also considering that, once this enigmatic certification of the security of the border has been accomplished, a reinvigorated push for the amnesty bill will surface. I wonder what the real motive of McCain’s border security is. Is it to silence opposition so his bill may be passed or does he really believe it is necessary for the betterment of the country? So far, I am not inclined to believe the latter.

He and his cohorts in the Senate were rather satisfied with themselves over the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill that they felt it necessary to ram it through to its pre-determined passage. The Senate’s behavior, including Sen McCain and Sen Graham, over the passage of this bill gave no indication they were unaware of the public’s resistance to it. To the contrary, they were quite aware of how much opposition there was. It was the very reason they attempted what they did in the first place.

n the meantime, I cry “shenanigans”!

Weebork on July 13, 2008 at 1:53 PM

McCain can bring people together, and did so at great political peril ….

Which “people” did McCain bring together on the illegal immigration issue? The group of elitist and out-of-touch Senators who tried to ram an idiotic, unjust, and fiscally irresponsible amnesty bill down the throats of the American public? How hard is it to “bring together” people like that — who all think the same way anyway?

Or perhaps that reference was to the millions of Americans who called, wrote, phoned and e-mailed Washington, D.C., to voice their objections to the idiotic McCain amnesty bill. Yes, come to think of it, McCain actually did manage to bring some people together on that issue after all.

AZCoyote on July 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM

The message of “borders first” has clearly been heard by Team McCain

No … not “borders first”. Interior enforcement first. Secure physical borders without interior enforcement are fairly meaningless.

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Juan McShame sells the last ounce of his political soul to Mexico…I’m so surprised. Amnesty for all…si se puede!

DanKenton on July 13, 2008 at 1:55 PM

“McCain can bring people together”

Yes. He made both crazy leftists and thoughtful conservatives hate his guts and refuse to vote for him.

TexasJew on July 13, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Three things he could do to help on this issue…

1. Immediatly come out and say that if he’s elected, there will be no more sanctuary cities… that he will make an executive order for the Justice Department to indict sanctuary cities for conspiricy to circumvent Federal Law.

2. Come out for a National Drivers license, which will tie into Drivers Licenseing (Congress can so so under Interstate Commerce), VOTING (Congress can make laws about it for Federal Elections), and Citizenship status. Then put some Federal money behind the system. Having multiple ID systems now is not cost effective for the states, or the Feds (passports), and make it FREE for citizens.

3. By implementing the first two… and enacting a strong anti fraud law for Document fraud involving it… we won’t need a border fence.

I am a Libertarian, who hates making the Federal Government larger at the expense of the States, but in this one instance, it would solve too many problems at once NOT to do it.

Romeo13 on July 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM

If he’s going to talk to La Raza, why doesn’t he also address the American Nazi Party, which also has their own racial partition plan?

TexasJew on July 13, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Ok, we got it, border security first. Then reward illegal aliens with citizenship, is that it?

Zorro on July 13, 2008 at 2:04 PM

“The campaign says that he and Lindsey Graham have already set up these parameters”. That’s reassuring. It sounds like a play pen that they’re pretending to build. (With what funds? The Fence bill was gutted.)
Tarpon shot and scored. Too bad the RNC doesn’t get this glaring bit of common sense.

Christine on July 13, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Yes. He made both crazy leftists and thoughtful conservatives hate his guts and refuse to vote for him.

TexasJew on July 13, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Goot one.

Zorro on July 13, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Ok, we got it, border security first. Then reward illegal aliens with citizenship, is that it?

Zorro on July 13, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Actually, its DECLARE that the borders are secured (a lie, of course) and THEN reward illegal aliens with citizenship.

“Team McCain” is like the “F Troop” of modern politics.
What a fabulous brain trust…

TexasJew on July 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I agree with Romeo13 on July 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM
BUT:
1. Cutting off federal funds to sanctuary cities should have happened yesterday.
2. The drivers license plan would be great but when the NAFTA Superhighway becomes real and it will, all that will be useless.
3. We need a border fence because there is no political will to do what is necessary to end the first two.
Nice try. Too bad wishful thinking doesn’t work.

Christine on July 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Actually, its DECLARE that the borders are secured (a lie, of course) and THEN reward illegal aliens with citizenship.

Hahaha! Yes, I stand corrected tex.

F-Troop, do you remember the name of the Indian tribe?

Zorro on July 13, 2008 at 2:17 PM

McCain’s problem includes the public perception of La Raza as some kind of Hispanic counterpart to the NAACP. It isn’t, of course. But if he didn’t go, he would be dissing a “mainstream” group, and be accused of racism.

Inaccurate, of course, but he doesn’t need any more bad publicity when Obamessiah is tanking.

I’d like to hear “borders first,” followed by “enforce existing laws,” but I doubt I ever will, at least from McCain and his lackey Grahamnesty.

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM

TexasJew on July 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Actually, “Hogan’s Heros” came to mind for me. McCain and his amnesty-shilling ilk are Hogan, et al and the rest of us are the prison guards with whom the former are constantly duping. While we attempt to maintain order, Hogan (McCain) and the rest are busy undermining it.

Weebork on July 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM

I don’t mind him speaking at TheRace as long as he tells them he WILL secure the border, then we can talk about what to do with Conseulo, Hector, Maria, Carlos, etc. In the same vein, I look forward to McCain telling the NAACP that he’s against affirmative action because it does blacks no good to lower standards when he speaks to that racist group as well.

(Am I blue yet?)

SouthernGent on July 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM

I’d like to hear “borders first,” followed by “enforce existing laws,” but I doubt I ever will, at least from McCain and his lackey Grahamnesty.

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM

McShame EXPLICITLY says “no enforcement of existing law”, since that would be “immoral”. I’d like to know what the threshold of illegals in the US needs to be before enforcing our own laws and defending our sovereignty becomes ‘immoral’.

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 2:22 PM

What will be the priorities of the elements of reform? McCain has shown a proven record on immigration, whereas Obama has only given talk. McCain has also made clear he will do it in steps: border security comes first. Afterwards, he will work with both parties to determine the priority of the rest of the elements of reform. “The American people are tired of all of the partisanship”. McCain can bring people together, and did so at great political peril — which shows the courage he has and the risks to his own career that he will take to do what he sees as right.

Sure he will, I mean. He told us he would. Of course, he said anyone who wanted that was a racist. We just know that he’s going to do this now, I mean he gets it right?

Let’s not forget when McCain said this.
“By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.”

Or what makes him such a great hard core Conservative in the mold of Reagan.

“I’m willing to negotiate anything,” McCain tells the breakfast crowd in Sioux City,

Snake307 on July 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Congress has failed to fix the problems of illegal immigration for 24 years, but McCain was one of the only members to attempt a bipartisan reform.

McCain/Kennedy? Yup, bipartisan “reform” alright. One of the worst Republicans to ever live and one of the worst Democrats to ever live teaming up to try some “bipartisan” stabbing of America in the back!

Fortunately the two bastardos were stopped, at least this time.

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Wethal,

I’m just curious, did you happen to watch/hear Linda Chavez on The O’R factor on friday? She essentially made your first point about the perceived need of McCain to visit the likes of La Raza. Among her argument includes the assumption La Raza is equivalent to NAACP.

Funny how certain meme’s get around, isn’t it?

Weebork on July 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

OT

I think all sitting Senators and Congressmen running for President should be forced to give up their seat 3-6 months before the Presidential election.

Make them prove how much they want to be President (no easy fallback position if they lose) and make them re-earn their Senate/Congress seat.

rockbend on July 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

McShame EXPLICITLY says “no enforcement of existing law”, since that would be “immoral”. I’d like to know what the threshold of illegals in the US needs to be before enforcing our own laws and defending our sovereignty becomes ‘immoral’.

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 2:22 PM

I’m guessing that the threshold is pretty high. Something like, the illegal aliens trying to take over a state.

McCain doesn’t seem to care about our laws. He doesn’t care about the millions of citizens who have their identities stolen so these illegal aliens can get around the weak assed laws he helped pass. He doesn’t care about the years of damage that are done to the citizens in this case. He doesn’t care about the slave labor like conditions that this causes in the illegals that are here. He doesn’t care about the strain on communities who have to give medical and educational service to the illegals.

McCain isn’t getting my vote. I will never under any circumstance vote for him. Mainly because the mess we’re in now, is largely due to him and his Senate Cronies who passed Immigration Reform back in the 1980′s. That was going to fix the problem too wasn’t it John McCain?

Snake307 on July 13, 2008 at 2:29 PM

La Raza = the Tan Klan

Mark1971 on July 13, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Wethal,

I’m just curious, did you happen to watch/hear Linda Chavez on The O’R factor on friday? She essentially made your first point about the perceived need of McCain to visit the likes of La Raza. Among her argument includes the assumption La Raza is equivalent to NAACP.

Funny how certain meme’s get around, isn’t it?

Weebork on July 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

No I didn’t (no cable), but I’m glad someone is pointing out publicly that this isn’t a “civil rights” group, but a radical group with an anti-US agenda.

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Linda Chavez … Among her argument includes the assumption La Raza is equivalent to NAACP.

Weebork on July 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

What’s next? The Aryan Nations is the equivalent of the NAACP? It wouldn’t be any more of a leap. Maybe even a bit less.

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 2:36 PM

I don’t even think another 9/11 caused by illegals sneaking across the border will cause these fools to change their minds. Can you impeach a senator? Because they are certainly not honoring their oath to defend the constitution.

TimothyJ on July 13, 2008 at 2:37 PM

I’m guessing that the threshold is pretty high. Something like, the illegal aliens trying to take over a state.

Snake307 on July 13, 2008 at 2:29 PM

I think you misread my last ‘immoral’ as ‘moral’. I posed the question in a bit of a convoluted way. Sorry.

McCain doesn’t seem to care about our laws.

Even worse. He doesn’t care about our sovereignty. He seems to have no appreciation for the concept of nation. He thinks the US belongs to the world and we are all just world citizens. In other days this would be treated quite harshly.

McCain isn’t getting my vote. I will never under any circumstance vote for him. Mainly because the mess we’re in now, is largely due to him and his Senate Cronies who passed Immigration Reform back in the 1980’s. That was going to fix the problem too wasn’t it John McCain?

I’m trying my best not to vote for him. With B Husein lurking, it’s a tough call. I’m really not sure who would do more damage. I do think that whichever one is more likely to get amnesty through is the one who cannot get the job. Amnesty, at the numbers we have, would be the end of our Republic (the start of an inevitable dissolution in the not-too-distant future).

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Reporter: Senator McCain, is it true that if you become President you will put a real fence along the border with Mexico rather than just some phony so called “virtual fence”? And a follow up question sir, if so what will the physical fence look like?
John McCain: That is a very good question and yes when I become el President I will put up a physical fence. What will it look like? Well it will run the full length of the border and have special security gates every 100 feet.
All the security gates will have on them:
1) Press one for Spanish (with a response of “Welcome Amigo, my country is your country and please take a free map to the wonderful plantation owner employer of your choice. Also please feel free to enroll you children in our schools and demand that they be taught in Spanish and please also feel free to avail yourself of all the free medical care that you want. If there are any Gringos in line in front of you, just chant Linda Chavez’s name and go to the head of the line. If you want to fly any Mexican flags please feel free to just take down an American one and use it’s flag pole”).
2) Press two for English (with a response of “#uck you! I know more than any of you damned bigoted nativist lazy madre fornicario gringos who do not want what is right for America del Norte!!!”).

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 2:41 PM

I don’t mind him speaking at TheRace as long as he tells them he WILL secure the border, then we can talk about what to do with Conseulo, Hector, Maria, Carlos, etc. In the same vein, I look forward to McCain telling the NAACP that he’s against affirmative action because it does blacks no good to lower standards when he speaks to that racist group as well.

(Am I blue yet?)

SouthernGent on July 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Exactly. When dealing with The Race and NAACP, we should demand McCain muster the same courage he has exhibited when scolding conservatives on global warming, the Bush tax cuts, drilling in Anwar, etc. After all he told Iowans the truth about corn-based ethanol subsidies.

flyfisher on July 13, 2008 at 2:42 PM

La Raza reminds me of the PLO, which has also been very savvy with its branding itself in recent years as the “moderate” voice for Palestinians.

The MSM in many countries conveniently ignores its bigoted, violent rhetoric, and plans for invading and dominating a country’s sovereign terroritory. Same MSM blinders with La Raza.

So people like McCain have to speak to “moderate” Hispanics like La Raza, or he’s a racist, and Condi Rice ends up leaning on the Israelis to appease the “moderate” PLO or the US isn’t interested in the “peace process.”

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Weebork on July 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM

great comparison. we have a bunch of schultzes on this board who know something is wrong but dont want to acknowledge. instead they accuse anyone not marching in lock-step unison to the mccain drumbeat of being a hard-core lefty obama supporter. i suspect right2bright, wise_man and terrye will be along shortly to earn their mccain points for the day.

chasdal on July 13, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Has McCain released the text of his speech yet?

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:46 PM

I’m glad I’m not the only one that senses this. I get no sense from McCain that he really gives a damn about winning this election. Even with his position on Iraq, the only issue I get any sense that he cares remotely about is amnesty. And I’ve had the same cynical thought that if Obama won, McCain would be front and center in any amnesty effort.
As I think back to the primary, the only candidate who gave me the sense that he really wanted to win was Mitt Romney..and I didn’t even like him that much. Fred and Rudy barely showed up. Huckabee was like the guy at the party that put the family cat down his pants to get a laugh; he just enjoyed someone noticing him. But Romney seemed to be the only one that really wanted the GOP to win. Oh well.

austinnelly on July 13, 2008 at 1:44 PM

He’s a whole lot like George H.W. Bush in that respect. Bush never got over losing the GOP nomination to Reagan in 1980. He ran for president in 1988 just to prove he should have been president all along. He didn’t have a clue what to do once he got elected, and had no intention of carrying on any of Reagan’s policies.

McCain has never gotten over losing the GOP nomination to Bush Jr. in 2000. He ran this time just to get the nomination and vindicate himself. He has no idea how to win a general eelection, and if by some miracle he wins it, I have no confidence that he has any more idea than Bush Sr. did about what to do once he gets into office.

What is starting to creep me out about this campaign is that it seems to be trying to create a Cult of Personality around McCain – i.e. vote for me because I am so courageous and I put my country first. No policy agenda, no vision of what America should be in 4 years, just I’m Wonderful so Vote for Me. Unfortunately, Barack Obama is running the same campaign and he’s 25 years younger and better looking.

rockmom on July 13, 2008 at 2:47 PM

The MSM is squarely on the side of the bigoted, racist organization here – it’s shameful and pathetic. Then again, what does the MSM do that isn’t shameful and pathetic? The occasional story about rescued kittens and the two-headed girl, that’s about it.

Come on, some intrepid news station has to break the news that La Raza is NAZI South, don’t they? After all, they compete, don’t they? Maybe not… maybe the MSM has become a Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organization. Maybe we need anti-trust suits.

Merovign on July 13, 2008 at 2:48 PM

La Raza reminds me of the PLO, which has also been very savvy with its branding itself in recent years as the “moderate” voice for Palestinians.

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Same goes for CAIR.

flyfisher on July 13, 2008 at 2:48 PM

MB4,

She has been an advocate of the “comprehensive” immigration “reform” from the start. She even so much as typed out an article off of nationalreview, I believe, which essentially asserted anti-amnesty folks were inherently racists. She ended up having to eat crow from the level of criticism she received, and rightfully so, because of it.

Mrs Chavez doesn’t wish to equate other specialized race groups because they don’t fit into her ideal of amnesty. She’s playing identity politics and she is completely wrong to associate “The Race” with the NAACP. By the way, she doesn’t call La Raza by its true name but by its nicey nicey name it’s attempted to redefine. Her only objection, according to her appearance on The Factor, towards La Raza is the desire for them to rid themselves of the archaic name and adopt its more recent title. I don’t remember the new name La Raza is giving itself, but it’s one of those long, multiword mumbo jumbo names that is intended to give an organization such as La Raza a nicey nicey image.

Weebork on July 13, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Sure he will, I mean. He told us he would. Of course, he said anyone who wanted that was a racist. We just know that he’s going to do this now, I mean he gets it right?

Snake307 on July 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM

I’m trying my best not to vote for him.

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Hear me, my fellow Conservatives! I am tired. My heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands, I will support John McCain no more forever [updated].
- Chief Joseph

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Has McCain released the text of his speech yet?

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:46 PM

I don’t think that Juan Hernandez has finished it yet.

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM

McCain has never gotten over losing the GOP nomination to Bush Jr. in 2000. He ran this time just to get the nomination and vindicate himself. He has no idea how to win a general election, and if by some miracle he wins it, I have no confidence that he has any more idea than Bush Sr. did about what to do once he gets into office.

rockmom

I wondered that myself. I thought his campaign was so lackluster (almost Fred Thompson level) at tiems that all he wanted was to get what he was denied (nomination), as soem kind of vindication, but he didn’t really want the job.

I remember Teddy Kennedy’s run for the presidency started to go south when Roger Mudd of CBS dared ask him, “Why do you want to be president?” and Teddy had no answer.

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:58 PM

i suspect right2bright, wise_man and terrye will be along shortly to earn their mccain points for the day.

chasdal on July 13, 2008 at 2:44 PM

For all the good they have done McCain I doubt that all put together they even have enough McCain points to get a bean burrito.

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Has anyone asked McCain if he has read the goals of LaRaza and how he resolves them with our federal laws and national sovereignty?

Has anyone asked McCain why the immigration law of 1986 is inadequate?

onlineanalyst on July 13, 2008 at 3:06 PM

(almost Fred Thompson level)

watch the Fred! shots. if you believe that canard then you have spent too much time getting your info from allah and the MSM.

chasdal on July 13, 2008 at 3:07 PM

The message of “borders first” has clearly been heard by Team McCain,

Umm, yeah right. And McCain has a bridge to sell you also.

TOPV on July 13, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Congress has failed to fix the problems of illegal immigration for 24 years, but McCain was one of the only members to attempt a bipartisan reform

Marin fails here. McCain spearheaded a disastrous plan that most of the nation despised. He gets no points for his bi-partisan shamnesty. He can say this to the Razis at the meeting, but why would he tout it in a conference call?

JiangxiDad on July 13, 2008 at 3:12 PM

500 post thread in 5…4…3…2…1
Squid Shark on July 13, 2008 at 1:36 PM

I second your frustration.

franksalterego on July 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM

The message of “borders first” has clearly been heard by Team McCain

Thanks Ed, needed a chuckle.

La Raza reminds me of the PLO, which has also been very savvy with its branding itself in recent years as the “moderate” voice for Palestinians.

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Good point.

Spirit of 1776 on July 13, 2008 at 3:39 PM

TexasJew on July 13, 2008 at 1:58 PM

I agree..they have no business talking to this group. Frankly, I am sick of both of them pandering…for women’s votes, latino’s votes, black’s votes, nazi’s votes or muslim’s votes. It is pretty sickening.

These illegals will be helping the muslims take over the country. Im afraid we will be the next Great Britain.

Seal the Borders NOW!

becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 3:42 PM

I don’t understand for the life of me why so many of us focus so much energy on the border, exclusively, when the number one issue is hiring anyone who’s here illegally, for professional and menial labor.

Not respecting our current laws, by all, the politicians, employers, lobbyists, department of labor, commerce departments, etc. is the crux of it all.

If the steak is removed the wasps will go away. This should be the driving issue number one, followed by the fence.

Whatever fence gets built it will never solve the problem by itself.

Entelechy on July 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM

(almost Fred Thompson level)
watch the Fred! shots. if you believe that canard then you have spent too much time getting your info from allah and the MSM.

chasdal on July 13, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Haven’t watched the MSM since 2006. Couldn’t stand the MSM gloating over the Dem takeover.

Wethal on July 13, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Entelechy on July 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Because of the symbolism the fence has taken on. The border fence issue has become a symbol of our own government’s refusal to perform its basic obligations, the government and political class refusal to respond to the will of the people, their abandonment of rule of law, and the list goes on.

doubleplusundead on July 13, 2008 at 4:12 PM

the added measure of border-state governors certifying that it has been secured before proceeding with the rest of his reform efforts.

Ah yes, the border state governors. One of whom is a RINO and two others are dems. Not sure where the 4th stands.

CA – Ahnold

AZ- Napolitano (if you asked her I’m sure she’d certify right now that the border of AZ is secured)

NM – Richardson

Yep, that reassures me alright.

Shay on July 13, 2008 at 4:14 PM

We can bus illegals back, 64 passengers at a time. I’d happily drive the damn thing, and after work I’d get out a post hole digger and build that damned fence with my own two hands.

I did the math on sending all the illegals back to wherever they cam from and the cost is one tenth of what we spend on the war on drugs.

McNumbnuts take note.

dogsoldier on July 13, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Entelechy on July 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM
I don’t understand for the life of me why so many of us focus so much energy on the border, exclusively, when the number one issue is hiring anyone who’s here illegally, for professional and menial labor.

I believe it was a too finely focused outrage during the time that Americans became aware of what a disaster the non-enforcement of our present policies were and all the incoming reports of the numbers of visa overstays and border incursions. I focused on those numbers initially, but as I delved into the other facets of our policies, it became clear that, due to underfunding and neglect, market pressures that demanded fast access to cheap labor, winks and nods from officials to allow this quick access vs abiding by existing laws, everything just fell apart. Border security is vital but not the end. Amnesty is not reform and a path to citizenship starts outside of the country, through proper channels and takes as long as it takes. Guestworker numbers can be amended for legitimate, non-political reasons.

captivated_dem on July 13, 2008 at 4:16 PM

I don’t understand for the life of me why so many of us focus so much energy on the border, exclusively, when the number one issue is hiring anyone who’s here illegally, for professional and menial labor.

Not respecting our current laws, by all, the politicians, employers, lobbyists, department of labor, commerce departments, etc. is the crux of it all.

If the steak is removed the wasps will go away. This should be the driving issue number one, followed by the fence.

Whatever fence gets built it will never solve the problem by itself.

Entelechy on July 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM

If the employers don’t do jail, we won’t hail.

If the employers don’t get fined, we will sure mind.

If the employers don’t hang, it’s got no bang.

If the employers sail, we won’t hail.

If the employers walk, we will talk.

If the employers don’t burn, they will never learn.

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM

We can bus illegals back, 64 passengers at a time…..

dogsoldier on July 13, 2008 at 4:16 PM

And how are you going to find them, get them to line up at the busstop, and not bring their volunteer immigration lawyer along to exhaust every last legal option they have to appeal deportation? The reason illegals are so visible now is that nobody is rounding them up, but that visibility can change pretty quickly.

RBMN on July 13, 2008 at 4:24 PM

You walked into the nomination like you were walking onto Vicente Fox’s yacht
Your smirk strategically dipped below one eye
Your neck looked like an apricot
You had one eye on the mirror as you watched yourself gavotte
And all the Rinos dreamed that theyd be your VP partner
Theyd be your VP partner, and…

Youre so McVain, you probably think the world revolves around you
Youre so McVain, Ill bet you think the world revolves around you
Dont you? dont you?

You had me supporting you several years ago when I was still quite naive
Well you said that the country you were ready to lead
And that you would never give any grief
But you gave away the things you claimed to love and by doing that lost me

I had some dreams they were foam in my beer
Foam in my beer, and…
Well I hear you went up to LaRaza and your ingratiating talk naturally all of them won
Then you flew in your wife’s private jet up to praise
Al Gore’s Global Warming total eclipse of reason
Well youre where you should be all the time
And when youre not youre with
Some money bags lobbyist or working on a bill with a close liberal friend
Working on a bill with a close liberal friend
And now you think that everyone wants to listen to you pontificate
All summer long in debate after debate instead of going outside and having some fun

Youre so McVain

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM

ROFLMAO. Too funny.

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 4:29 PM

It’s an issue that’s easy to talk tough about, but in the real world needs to be worked out with some compromises. McCain is the one who’s living in the real world here.

RBMN on July 13, 2008 at 4:41 PM

RBMN on July 13, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Yup, McCain will work out a compromise.

Between Teddy Kennedy, Vicente Fox, Linda Chavez, Juan Hernandez and LaRaza.

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM

It’s an issue that’s easy to talk tough about, but in the real world needs to be worked out with some compromises. McCain is the one who’s living in the real world here

In the “real world” we had patriots who kicked out the invaders a few times already. So saying it cant be done is nonsense.

In this alternate world of corruption, cowards & baby boomer values, we have those willing to sell out their countrymen for personal gain.

There are NO patriots running for president.

DwnSouthJukin on July 13, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I don’t understand for the life of me why so many of us focus so much energy on the border, exclusively, when the number one issue is hiring anyone who’s here illegally, for professional and menial labor.

Not respecting our current laws, by all, the politicians, employers, lobbyists, department of labor, commerce departments, etc. is the crux of it all.

If the steak is removed the wasps will go away. This should be the driving issue number one, followed by the fence.

Whatever fence gets built it will never solve the problem by itself.

Entelechy on July 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM

For one reason, if politicians support enforcing laws which indict, convict, and punish big employers of illegal labor, they will no longer contribute to those politician’s election campaign coffers because they have been singled out. The fence just makes their access to cheap labor more difficult,…it doesn’t point a finger at them directly for what they are. The fence isn’t any more important than streamlining and validating the ID, visa, and legal citizenship pathway systems, but it is symbolic of determination.

a capella on July 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Hilarious!!

becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 4:58 PM

I would prefer an illegal immigrant that has assimilated enough to raise a United States soldier over a liberal that trashes America at every turn.

myamphibian on July 13, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Funny how people get a certain mindset, & no amount of facts or reason can change their opinions.
Some left-wingers are soooo convinced that the phrase “separation of church & state” is in the Constitution.
Just as foolishly, some right-wingers are soooo convinced that McCain is left of center. And that he wants amnesty for illegal aliens.

jgapinoy on July 13, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Just as foolishly, some right-wingers are soooo convinced that McCain is left of center. And that he wants amnesty for illegal aliens

Have you been on vacation outside the USA for the last two years or what?

DwnSouthJukin on July 13, 2008 at 5:24 PM

DwnSouthJukin on July 13, 2008 at 5:24 PM

The commentor on most occasions,is intentionally obtuse or just being disingenuious.Take your pick.

captivated_dem on July 13, 2008 at 5:36 PM

RBMN on July 13, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Agreed. In the real world, Mexican cops are dying in shootouts because for once the Mexican police are actually doing something about the drug gangs other than pocketing their bribes. In the real world, Mexican gangsters are hesitant to cooperate with the likes of Al-Qaeda because of the cooperation between Mexican and American law enforcement. In the real world, Mexico has ceased to be a place where American criminals can completely escape being tracked down and arrested for their crimes. I’d like to think we could crack down on the border without endangering that, but I don’t think we can.

Furthermore, there are a lot of Mexicans I’d rather see in a welfare office in Milwaukee than a voting booth in Mexico City. AMLO was a chavista, and he came damned close to winning in the last election. I’d like to think we could stop illegal immigration without throwing Mexico to Castro and Chavez, but I don’t think we can just yet.

But if McCain wins, this will put the Cuban regime on its knees, and Chavez along with them. If you want to crack down on illegal immigration without throwing Mexico to the Castro-Chavez-Morales-Ahmadinejad axis, you get rid of the axis first. Without an anti-American movement to fall back on, Mexico may be finally put at a disadvantage to where we can demand more reforms out of them without their ability to resort to playing blame-the-gringos and ending law enforcement cooperation.

Sekhmet on July 13, 2008 at 6:01 PM

RBMN on July 13, 2008 at 4:24 PMI’m guessing that once busses start pulling up at the Home Depots and such, the illegals who don’t get collared, will get the message and “make good choices” – and get their happy asses back to Mexico.

Sekhmet on July 13, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Not to sure if continuially offering carrots and not the stick very smart.

Mexicans got an amnesty in ’86. They have been coming here for genretions, legally and illegally and know what this nation has to offer them.

If they don’t understand that at this point, they aren’t going to.

catmman on July 13, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Why does America owe illegal aliens an easier “path to citizenship” now as opposed to what has been offered before?

catmman on July 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

90+ percent of voting blacks, sorry, African Americans, vote Democrat.

And that’s after a Republican president freed the slaves.

BowHuntingTexas on July 13, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Sekhmet on July 13, 2008 at 6:01 PM

So, you’re opposed to cracking down on employers of illegals? Sounds like it if you’d rather have them here than in Mexico City.
Could you explain how this will happen?

But if McCain wins, this will put the Cuban regime on its knees, and Chavez along with them.

a capella on July 13, 2008 at 6:22 PM

I very much wish I could believe McCain… on ANYTHING. But the an is inherently untrustworthy. Looks like I vote for Chuck Baldwin?

Warner Todd Huston on July 13, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Is it even approrpriate for a presidental candidate to give a speech to an organization called “The Race”? And if it is, which races can expect such treatment? And why?

Fred 2 on July 13, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Say what you will, I see this as progress. Long before illegal immigration got in vogue, myself and several others were pounding the table for border enforcement. It has been a recommended step in any immigration proposal since the 70′s, most recently with the Jordan commission 1990-95. That still remains the most extensive review of our open/neglected borders and suggestions on how to deal with the illegals already here.

Workplace enforcement etc only works if there is a sealed border in place. We have not even mentioned the tens of thousands of criminals serving time who will be deported and soon returning without a secure border.

Having John McCain openly espouse a secure border before all else, in front of La Raza and the American public, is a huge step. If you want to say he is lying, have at it.
For myself, a tireless fence supporter, the fact that a candidate is voicing support is a break through. I fought hard against the last reform bill because the secure border got second fiddle and then rightly predicted it had no chance of passage as a result. McCain got the message. Prior to that he had no clue where the people stood.

The more we can get candidates to back a secure border the greater the chance we will get one. Afterwards all the other suggestions for dealing with illegals will have teeth. There will be an extremely difficult fence etc for them to trespass, once they have been deported. Now they just walk back in and find work in the underground economy.

Virtually every gangbanger that gets deported returns to their old apartments.

patrick neid on July 13, 2008 at 6:35 PM

I will say this about McCains upcoming speech:

If he doesn’t take a harder lined stand, other than “we’re going to secure the borders first”, in his La Raza speech he may as well hang it up for the election.

This one speech will have a tremendous effect on how conservatives will fall for McCain – especially those who are on the fence.

catmman on July 13, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Are ballots going to be printed in spanish nationally this year? English soon to be a second language.
All those Latinos are going to love Universal heathcare which will indeed be universal when immigrants from all corners of the world brazenly walk in for their free taxpayer funded medical wishes.

dhunter on July 13, 2008 at 7:03 PM

Obama was “AWOL” on immigration until the presidential campaign.

Cute. Just remember, folks, Obama has been AWOL on everything, failing to vote one way or another, failing to convene a single meeting of the Senate’s subcommittee on Afghanistan of which he himself is Chairman! Obama may as well be spelled “Awola” as his valid, unaltered legal documentation of live birth has yet to materialize–HIS responsibility that he fails to provide AS REQUIRED BY THE CONSTITUTION. And any pledge Obama makes fails to materialize as well. The only consistent characteristic of Obamarx is his irresponsibility. Sen. AWOLa jogs revisionist record through his malleable POTUS campaign.

maverick muse on July 13, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Why does America owe illegal aliens an easier “path to citizenship” now as opposed to what has been offered before?

catmman on July 13, 2008 at 6:10 PM

CCan anybody give us a compelling argument to grant AMNESTY??? Anybody????

DfDeportation on July 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM

La Raza – The Race

While does McCain like to make me hate him over and over again?

The NAACP has the dignity to call itself an association for the advancement of colored people. That is an honorable title that grew out of the suppression of Jim Crow.

I cannot argue with the desires of those suppressed citizens to be able to advance their cause.

I can only despise ‘The Race’, a group of racists who want to bring in 20 million non citizens and give them a chunk of my nation without my consent while they take advantage of anchor baby legalities that were installed to protect newly freed black slaves from being recognized as citizens

McCain is only slightly less indigestible than Obama the fantasy candidate and his pack of America haters

entagor on July 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Well, I’ve always said that I’d rather be lied to by a a declared enemy than by someone who is supposed to be an ally.

LegendHasIt on July 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM

captivated_dem at 5:36PM

Yes, as you demonstrate, it is just as foolish for right-wingers to believe that McCain wants amnesty for any lawbreaker as it is for left-wingers to believe that the Constitution teaches separation of church & state.

jgapinoy on July 13, 2008 at 8:49 PM

McCain never wanted amnesty–the old bill would’ve punished illegal aliens with a huge fine & a series of bureaucratic hoops to jump through. McCain is now promising to secure the border first, & in all of the years he has been my senator, I don’t know of him breaking any promise.

jgapinoy on July 13, 2008 at 8:52 PM

But some on the right will keep repeating the “McAmnesty” idiocy, no matter how many facts are presented acquitting him.

jgapinoy on July 13, 2008 at 8:54 PM

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