Team McCain Conference Call: La Raza conference

posted at 1:29 pm on July 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

John McCain’s campaign scheduled a conference call to discuss Barack Obama’s comments to the National Council of La Raza  — which Michelle Malkin noted in a post earlier today. The campaign presented Rosario Marin, former U.S. Treasurer, as its surrogate on the call.

Marin says the campaign expects Obama to say that McCain has changed his mind on immigration reform, and that nothing could be further from the truth.  Congress has failed to fix the problems of illegal immigration for 24 years, but McCain was one of the only members to attempt a bipartisan reform.  Barack Obama was part of the problem, casting votes that unraveled the bipartisan compromise. Obama hasn’t shown any leadership or any effort to risk his standing in order to solve the problem, as McCain has.

McCain understands that the American people overwhelmingly want the borders secured first, and McCain will support this before any other reforms take place.   But he will also work across the aisle to complete a comprehensive immigration reform after the border has been secured.

Questions:

  • Given McCain’s record on immigration, why hasn’t he gained more traction among Latinos? — Party registration is higher for Democrats among Latinos, but there are a large number of undecideds (26%).  The Latinos who know his record support him, and the ones who don’t are less likely to do so.  Communication is the key.
  • Me – What does border security mean, and will he tell La Raza that border security comes first? — Marin says he says this repeatedly.  The campaign says that he and Lindsey Graham have already set up these parameters — 700 miles of border fencing (and other points as well), and the added measure of border-state governors certifying that it has been secured before proceeding with the rest of his reform efforts.
  • Why hasn’t he done a better job of communicating? — Marin says that he has done a very good job, but the polling has been somewhat faulty.  In Arizona, he got more than 70% of the Latino vote in his re-election to the Senate.  Marin also emphasizes the importance of winning the independents.
  • Where are the strengths of Obama and McCain in the subdemographics of Latinos, and how important is immigration to Latinos as opposed to other issues like health care?  The Latino community cannot be put in a neat little box.  There are Latinos who have been Americans for generations, and recent immigrants, and people who come from a variety of nations.   Immigration is a key for Latinos, though, as a bellwether for political credibility.  Obama was “AWOL” on immigration until the presidential campaign.
  • What will be the priorities of the elements of reform?  McCain has shown a proven record on immigration, whereas Obama has only given talk.  McCain has also made clear he will do it in steps: border security comes first.  Afterwards, he will work with both parties to determine the priority of the rest of the elements of reform.  “The American people are tired of all of the partisanship”.  McCain can bring people together, and did so at great political peril — which shows the courage he has and the risks to his own career that he will take to do what he sees as right.

Interesting call.  The message of “borders first” has clearly been heard by Team McCain, and one wonders whether the recent addition of Steve Schmidt hasn’t brought a little more focus to that position.  Marin repeated it over and over again, and although we haven’t seen the remarks to La Raza yet, the campaign is pushing that hard.

Update: Don’t miss The Other McCain’s coverage of the call.


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Unlike you, some of us read the ‘fine print’ of the actual legislation, rather than just taking a PR release from the McCain Campaign as gospel.

LegendHasIt on July 13, 2008 at 9:06 PM


But some on the right will keep repeating the “McAmnesty” idiocy, no matter how many facts are presented acquitting him.

jgapinoy on July 13, 2008 at 8:54 PM

Absolutely wrong. His plan, not unlike his campaign finance “reform” plan, would have created a loophole allowing illegals to continuously renew their temp visas in order to stay and work. The touchback requirement would have been circumvented with this workaround and the monetary fine would have NEVER been paid since it becomes an issue only after the touchback date. McShame did the same thing with campaign finance creating a smoke and mirror scenario that easily gets around the $2300 per individual to nearly $80,000 per. But, he looks honest and he was in the Vietnam prison so why shouldn’t I believe him, right?

DanKenton on July 13, 2008 at 9:14 PM

ED?
Did you parphrase the questions you listed above? I only heard Rosario Marin use the word AWOL during the conference call unless the audio at McCain’s website has been edited.

I’d like to know. Thanks

AnthonyK on July 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM

McCain never wanted amnesty–the old bill would’ve punished illegal aliens with a huge fine & a series of bureaucratic hoops to jump through.

jgapinoy on July 13, 2008 at 8:52 PM

A “huge” fine? LOL. What do you think people would pay, legally, to become legal residents of the US, let alone be put on a “path to citizenship”?

The hoops were more for an inefficient beaurocracy to jump through and for the rest of us to get screwed when they fail. Take the number of illegals that amnesty supporters are admitting are here and multiply that by 2 or 3, at least, to get a feel for the number that will be processed and allowed to stay. Then start totalling up the family to come on over and keep them company …

It was amnesty, minus $5000 whoopee! – I’m going to put a huge fine on you for stealing that Ferrari and charge you $5000 to keep it …

They tried to steal the right to reside in the US. You want to let them legally reside in the US. You are completing their attempted theft. The offering of citizenship to them is just so far beyond amnesty as to boggle the mind.

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 9:27 PM

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 9:27 P

Not to mention that the fine was easily waived… All that was required for the wavier was saying that you didn’t have the money to pay.

The worst part though, was the 24 hours that the government had to do the background check and if it took longer, the approval was automatic.

I have a ‘green carded’ friend that has been trying to get her citizenship for 19 years…. She has jumped through all the hoops several times, but the immigration officials keep ‘losing her paperwork’. If they can’t do their job for one person in 19 years, how are they going to process millions of people in one day?

LegendHasIt on July 13, 2008 at 9:39 PM

This would be funny if it weren’t so sad! There are people in this post trying to pass McVain off as the conservative on illegal immigration! I have heard it all now. How quick people forget that McVain is a Democrat in Republican clothing. It was all the true conservatives could do to stop his liberal nonsense on the Amnesty bill (path to citizenship, for those that want to argue the meanning of amnesty.) What a joke!

livermush on July 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Ed?
Let me rephrase my question.

Did you parphrase the questions you listed above? I only heard Rosario Marin use the word AWOL during the conference call and it was in a different context than the one above.

It was when she said, “But then he accuses the senator of changing his decisions when he has no moral authority to do that because he was AWOL when all of these discussions were taking place…”

Did the word AWOL come in another answer or question?

AnthonyK on July 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM

LegendHasIt on July 13, 2008 at 9:39 PM

Exactly.

progressoverpeace on July 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Interesting Youtube video that shows Iran is going through a struggle like the US in people not wanting to assimilate.

From the posters profile

For Centuries foreign ethnicities in Iran have refused to integrate, they have refused to become Iranian. While many hold Iranian citizenship, they have refused to assimilate because they cherish their ethnic identity, their culture and language and continue to demand a separate existence and even wish to amputations the persian nation by creating seperate countries. This has created an untenable situation.

WoosterOh on July 13, 2008 at 10:38 PM

There are people in this post trying to pass McVain off as the conservative on illegal immigration!

What a joke!

livermush on July 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM

McVain started a joke. Which started conservatives crying.
But what Juan didn’t see was that the joke was on he.
Oh, no, he started to lie. Which started conservatives laughing.
Oh, if Juan had only seen that the joke was on he.

They looked at Juan’s lies. Running their hands over their eyes.
But some RINOS fell out of bed. Hurting their heads from things that they thought that Juan said.

Till even their fantasies finally died. Which started conservatives living.
Oh, if Juan had only seen that the joke was on he.

Oh, no, that the joke was on Juan. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

MB4 on July 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Sorry, Ed, but I have no clue what you’re talking about. Despite the fact that I don’t think McCain’s current policy pronouncements are too far out of the mainstream, I don’t think he’s learned anything, and I wonder if he’s capable of learning at this point.

He thinks he can declare the border secure and move on with Shamnesty, and feels perfectly fine meeting with racist Mexican organizations to say so. I guess he must be an effing idiot.

Jaibones on July 14, 2008 at 12:09 AM

Yeah, The Borders are secure! Janet Napolitano and Bill Richardson said so!!!! Now there’s a couple pillars of credibility for ya… Stop whining!!! ha ha ha

DfDeportation on July 14, 2008 at 12:18 AM

huge fine

Hey, I was against the bill, too. But to a lettuce picker, $5000 is huge.
You can call it lenient if you want. But to call it amnesty is lying.

jgapinoy on July 14, 2008 at 12:49 AM

Hey, I was against the bill, too.

Thank G-d. :)

But to a lettuce picker, $5000 is huge.

But that is not how that asset (the legal right to live and work in the US) is valued. For every lettuce worker who struggles with the $5000 to get something worth hundreds of thousands of dollars (and the right to be popping out American citizens in the process) we are unable to offer that space to a much more valuable immigrant whom we CHOOSE to invite in. This robs us of one of the most important assets on Earth – the ability to choose from among all. We are one of the only countries that has this ability and for every illegal who pushes his way into our country, we are robbed of that choice – and in future payoff we are talking about tens of trillions of dollars of value.

You can call it lenient if you want. But to call it amnesty is lying.

jgapinoy on July 14, 2008 at 12:49 AM

$5000 for the right to live and work in the US is a total joke. Given that it is payment for the completion of a crime worth far more is, itself, a crime. I just don’t see how anyone can even try to justify this – with anything other than the word ‘amnesty’. I mean, we can all see exactly what it is.

What would you call it if the penalty for trying to steal something worth $200,000 was $5000 and they got to keep the stuff?

When you get the answer to that, throw the “path to citizenship” in (which we haven’t even begun to address) and see how it all looks. If you can find a word other than ‘amnesty’ I’d love to hear it. (And I think we both know that ‘lenient’ isn’t even in the same ballpark).

Later on we can talk about illegals who like to march in the streets (tough to find them, really) holding signs up saying, “We didn’t cross the border. The border crossed us.” Great Americans there. But that’s a whole different part of it. We’re just addressing the striking similarities to ‘amnesty’, here.

progressoverpeace on July 14, 2008 at 1:06 AM

We have had 7 “amnesties” since 1986 – the big one and 6 subsequent smaller ones. Working real well, isn’t it??

McCain is correct – his plan is not really amnesty because he requires a $3000 fine BRIBE. His plan is worse – it is a program of rewards and bribes. Soliciting a bribe after the fact is no different that a potential illegal paying a BP agent $3000 to let him slip into our country before the fact.

REWARDING illegal aliens with the ill-gotten goods they came to steal in the first place (residency) is like a judge awarding the stolen jewelry to the convicted robber at the trial – even with a fine, making it not amnesty.

It’s the REWARDS, stupid!

McCain’s flawed policies have given us THIS. Brothels and Sunday Mass at the neighborhood illegal alien camp in the San Diego suburbs.

How about a little LAW ENFORCEMENT – which is working just fine in McCain’s home state and 3 others so far.

Insane people think that doing the same thing over and over (rewarding illegal aliens with residency) will have a different result. It will never stop the flood. Insane.

McCain and all his fellow travelers are pathetic.

- fred5678

MB4 on July 14, 2008 at 1:08 AM

“We didn’t cross the border. The border crossed us.”

progressoverpeace on July 14, 2008 at 1:06 AM

lol.

We didn’t steel the car. The car stole us.

MB4 on July 14, 2008 at 1:14 AM

We didn’t steel the car. The car stole us.

MB4 on July 14, 2008 at 1:14 AM

Heh.

I hear McShame is currently working on legislation that will declare the US to be an ‘attractive nuisance’ and, thus, unleash all the illegals on our court system to sue us for all sorts of damages. He considers it to be his finest bill, yet. Others have said, “Oh yeah. It’s up there.”

progressoverpeace on July 14, 2008 at 1:30 AM

/sarc … (just in case)

progressoverpeace on July 14, 2008 at 1:32 AM

McCain is correct – his plan is not really amnesty because he requires a $3000 fine BRIBE. His plan is worse – it is a program of rewards and bribes. Soliciting a bribe after the fact is no different that a potential illegal paying a BP agent $3000 to let him slip into our country before the fact.

MB4 on July 14, 2008 at 1:08 AM

So, all car fines is a bribe…when you pay your fee for your car registration, it is a bribe. When you leave a tip, it is a bribe, pay a ticket for speeding, it is a bribe.
To you, there is no difference between a bribe and a fee and a fine.
Well you simplified the English language…

right2bright on July 14, 2008 at 10:50 AM

McCain never wanted amnesty

But some on the right will keep repeating the “McAmnesty” idiocy, no matter how many facts are presented acquitting him.

jgapinoy on July 13, 2008 at 8:54 PM

Prior to your posts here, yesterday I had tried to post evidence of McCain’s amnesty efforts. I tried three times, and all three posts were moderated. I can only assume it’s because I included too many links.

So I’ll try again, without so many links and split into two comments. Sorry I can spoon feed it to you.

The campaign says that he and Lindsey Graham have already set up these parameters — 700 miles of border fencing

Really?! He and Grahamnesty set up those parameters?!!

Question: is he taking credit for Duncan Hunter’s Secure Fence Act of 2006 that MANDATED 700 miles of double-layer fence along the southern border? The same fence that Congress gutted in 2007 and which Duncan Hunter reintroduced this year?

Did he really just do that?! Because if he did, then he’s a big fat LIAR and HYPOCRITE. McCain has nothing but scorn for the Secure Fence Act and calls it “the g-dd*mn fence”. In fact, he has made sure it was as dead as dead can be:

Sen. McCain voted in favor of the Manager’s Amendment (SA 4188), offered by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), to S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006. The Manager’s Amendment made many minor changes to S. 2611, none of have significant numeric impacts on the overall bill. However, the Manager’s Amendment included a provision that requires consultation with the government of Mexico concerning the construction of additional fencing and related border security structures along the international border between the United States and Mexico. This would virtually guarantee that the fence along the U.S.-Mexico border would never be completed. The Manager’s Amendment passed by a vote of 56 to 41 to 1 (the 1 denotes a “present” vote).

After that travesty, he went on to vote AGAINST a Republican amendment to remove amnesty from the immigration bill, he voted AGAINST extending the fence, he voted AGAINST more immigration investigators, and he voted FOR Social Security benefits for illegals. On top of that he co-sponsored the abominable DREAM act which rewarded illegal aliens with in-state tuition and amnesty.

And it goes on and on

McCain wants Open Borders and he does everything legislatively possible to get it.

Redhead Infidel on July 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM

McCain gets a friggin’ F or F- on the most important aspects of immigration policy. His overall grade is a D. You know who else’s grade is also a D? Obama’s. On this issue, they are equally disastrous for our nation.

So how about somebody w/ some sac ask him or his puppets about that BS!

Redhead Infidel on July 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM

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