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Goodnes Gracious Ed, where did you find this…….
Dear Lord, ….. Cleanse
meus ofmyour inequities, wash awaymyour sins.Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Excellent analogy.
I am not Catholic but I am against abortion…how any Catholic can justify voting for Obama, I have no clue. Abortion is murder, plain and simple.
becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Oh boy,now were back to religion,and if were talkin
about the left,as in Coulters description”Godless”,
the Liberals are going to worship at the alter of
liberalism,
before they even think of God’s Laws,or their excuses
of and for abortion!
canopfor on July 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM
The Anchoress has been my first stop on the net since the Pope’s visit this past April.
She’s a great writer.
Zorro on July 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2008 at 10:12 PM
He has posted some great stuff today. I havent been able to get off this computer to get any work done!
becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Excellent analogy.
becki51758 on July 13,2008 at 10:12PM.
becki51758: Becki,Amen and Ditto.—-:)
canopfor on July 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM
That’s because you’re too lazy to figure out.
Nonfactor on July 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
canopfor on July 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Thanks!
Nonfactor on July 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Im too lazy? haha Nice! Abortion is a sin to Catholics..so you tell me how you justify voting for someone who supports abortion? Please enlighten me.
becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Your schtick is officialy old. I used to think you were the voice of dissent, but you mostly just jump in with random snark and disappear, ignoring any follow-up questions. Back in the Hillary vs Obama days, I tried several times to get your perspective on the debate, but you never seemed interested in answering.
You could provide us with some rationale now, or leave me to assume that you are as lazy as the poster you just jumped on, here only to mark up points on your mental scoreboard.
joewm315 on July 13, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Hey, Non, I was just wondering the same thing myself. Why don’t you enlighten us?
4shoes on July 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM
That was a pretty lazy comment, Nonfactor. I expect better from you.
hillbillyjim on July 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM
hahah He may be referring to a previous comment I posted saying I didn’t get any work done today.
Of course, it is the day of rest…and tomorrow is another day. :)
becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I’m too lazy…
Becki51758 on July 13,2008 at 10:23PM.
Becki51758: Girl :)keep your powder dry,Nonfactor
is a seminar Lefty trying to re-direct
the thread,or just to pick an arguement!:)
canopfor on July 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I kinda figured that out! :)
I still am waiting to be enlightened, but I dont see it happening any time soon.
becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM
I still am waiting to be enlightened,
becki51758 on July 13,2008 at 10:37PM.
becki51758:Have you tried staring into the light?
And I’m kidding you.—————–:)
canopfor on July 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Lazy?
Shakes head.
Bob's Kid on July 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM
canopfor on July 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Everyone’s a comedienne! :)
becki51758 on July 13, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Neither candidate supports the Church’s teaching on birth control, which runs counter to what most of the country believes. Most of the country also disagrees with outlawing all abortions. Catholics have to make a practical choice for a President who will have a lot on his plate beyond just abortion.
I hope all Catholics vote for McCain but most are likely to weigh more local matters than the Vatican’s opinion.
dedalus on July 13, 2008 at 10:53 PM
My favorite lefty discombobulation:
Those righteous mouthpieces who decry U.S. Military actions and express horror at the tragedies of the “innocent victims” of war and conflict, all the while “moralizing” indignantly and proudly to fight for a woman’s right to choose (murder of the truly innocent.)
hillbillyjim on July 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM
The WSJ reports that the Obama Catholics justify voting for him in good conscience, despite his abortion record, because he is “so good on other issues” of import to Catholics, like war, torture, social justice, etc.
Let’s just run through that list quickly, to see where liberal Catholics fall off, shall we?
1) WAR. There is a papal justification for war, called suprisingly, just war. Now, you and I may disagree on whether or not a particular war is “just” or not, but I can say that an attack by the US on Iran’s nuclear capabilities and/or ability to wage agression against her neighbors would be justified, and liberal catholics would probably protest in the streets with pictures of Bushitler or McChimpy.
2) Torture. Which would be the larger sin? Allowing a bomb to go off, killing innocents, or blowtorching the feet of the man who knew when and where it was to happen?
3) Social Justice. “Whatsoever I do to the least of my brothers, that I do unto me” has been the rationale of left leaning priests for generations. But Catholic support of policies that redistribute wealth from the productive to those who could, but won’t, provide for themselves runs counter to other biblical passages that state that a man must labor for his subsistence, and creates antipathy between those that do and those that don’t, leading to
5) Racism. see above
The point is, there are liberals (many of which are clergy), and there are conservatives in the Catholic Church, and those who support Obama simply choose to ignore the views of the Church that don’t fit their personal beliefs. Simple as that.
My .02
OneEyedJack on July 13, 2008 at 11:10 PM
You deserve the Order of Canada for your comments, canopfor.
/inside joke/hosers
andycanuck on July 13, 2008 at 11:24 PM
OFF TOPIC – Where’s AllahPundit? Vacation? Blogsitting for someone else? Finally blew his brains out? Quit blogging again? Anybody know?
The Apologist on July 13, 2008 at 11:29 PM
The Apologist at 11:29 PM-
AP is getting a sunburn somewhere, with a white Blackberry square on his tummy.
profitsbeard on July 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
No, a white iPod rectangle on his belly.
:)
Bob's Kid on July 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Make that iPhone.
Sheesh. And it’s not even that late yet here!
Bob's Kid on July 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM
My theory is that AP’s off trying to woo the FOX Sexpert.
ReubenJCogburn on July 13, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I don’t understand why Catholics claim to be ‘against war’. They are the ones who were behind the Crusades for one. And for another, if the Vatican and Rome were ransacked, I assure you they would support a war for their liberation. It’s mainly hypocritical from my view.
Also, the whole left’s ‘gay marriage’ deal and ‘gay rights’ should be at odds with the Vatican too. The Vatican certainly won’t recognize gay marriage – they won’t even recognize marriage after divorce. . . but the liberal Catholics do.
The whole redistribution of wealth thing is ridiculous too. When I see the Vatican living in poverty, then I’ll appreciate a Christian denomination that doesn’t believe in earthly excesses of wealth. The excesses of capitalism indeed. . . they are only against capitalism because the Vatican can’t launch its own IPO. I guarantee you that capitalism has generated more money for the Catholic Church than any other entity on earth. Why do they sell rosary beads, Bibles, and statues of Mary? If they don’t like capitalism, they should give them away rather than sell them.
ThackerAgency on July 13, 2008 at 11:50 PM
You deserve the Order of Canada for your comments,canopfor.
andycanuck on July 13,2008 at 11:24PM.
andycanuck:Thank-you,ha ha!
Hey Andy,where are you in Canada ?
I’m in the Sault.————–:)
canopfor on July 14, 2008 at 12:00 AM
The Catholic Church is not “against capitalism” and no one, besides yourself, has said it is.
aengus on July 14, 2008 at 12:05 AM
For good reason. If Europe fell to Islam in the 11th century your country – the Greatest, most all-important, flawless bastion of Protestant virtue – would not have come into being.
I should hope so.
Its possible to oppose one war without being “against war” in general. Keep surging, my friend.
aengus on July 14, 2008 at 12:11 AM
aengus, I know you feel a need to defend the Catholic Church at all costs for some reason against agression from people like myself – you know the evil bigot for pointing out truths.
from the actual ‘quote of the day’.
I don’t have a problem with the Crusades. It was your Pope John Paul who apologized to the Muslims for the Crusades. I hear that in debates with muslims all the time. . . ‘well the Pope apologized for the Crusades’ – HE SHOULDN’T HAVE.
The article said they supported Obama because he was against war. I pointed out that the Catholic Church wasn’t really against war. You took offense. I guess I need to apologize for your thin skin.
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Good people can disagree on abortion in civil debate regardless of their faith or lack thereof, but I dare anyone who knows that Obama has unapologetically supported infanticide and is still willing to vote for him to look himself straight in the mirror and say, “I am a good person.”
Damian G. on July 14, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Who’s this vatican guy?
I don’t know any rich priests or nuns.
tlynch001 on July 14, 2008 at 12:35 AM
the Vatican has their own AIRLINE. I didn’t know you could have an AIRLINE and be poor . . .especially with gas prices the way they are. Next time I’m at the airport I’ll look for the tail sign of ‘ghetto air’.
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Actually, if you got $1 from every Catholic you could buy all the shares of American Airlines.
dedalus on July 14, 2008 at 12:44 AM
So the Rapture Right is volunteering to raise taxes to pay for an army of 20+ million unwanted children?
How…liberal of them.
Next thing you know, they’ll vote to raise taxes to support all the unwanted children we have in this country now.
alphie on July 14, 2008 at 12:46 AM
but you could only buy them if you were Catholic dedalus. . . from the vatican airlines site:
So are Jim Crow laws BAD again . . . you know segregation? They are against racism after all. They seem to understand ‘competition’ too. I wonder if undercutting the competition would be considered aggressive monopolistic (capitalistic) practices.
ThackerAgency on July 14, 2008 at 12:52 AM
BULL SH$T. Capitalism is not a SIN
As a Catholic, we are to driven to succeed and procreate. That means being successful. Being synonymous with success is not evil.
And who is to judge excesses …. when I’m in the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness
Kini on July 14, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Ah, the
Social Justice CommitteeSocialist Catholics… As a Catholic myself, I have never understood how they have come to the conclusion that Jesus would approve of the government imposed redistribution of wealth, particularly in light of the way the government actually uses the money they forcibly take. Yes, we are called to care for the poor, through charity, which by its nature must come from willingful hearts, not the threat of the IRS ruining our lives or imprisonment. Never in my reading of scripture have I found anything that suggests to me that Jesus might say, “You, Simon, gotakesteal that man’s fish from him and give it to that slacker over there!”Yet the
Social Justice CommitteeSocialist Catholics can find this somewhere in Catholic teaching while apparently not finding the condemnation of Abortion to be clear. Mind boggling.pannw on July 14, 2008 at 12:55 AM
The “Rapture Right” adopts many more children per capita than any other group around, especially leftists (like alphie).
jgapinoy on July 14, 2008 at 12:56 AM
If “unwanted children” is an excuse for abortion, then go visit some orphanages with an AK-47. Better dead than unwanted, right?
jgapinoy on July 14, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Kini on July 14, 2008 at 12:53 AM
So, it’s not a sin to screw over lots of people for monetary gain? Let’s take an example which pisses off us conservatives: Is it a sin for an employer to give illegal aliens jobs so he can grossly underpay them, which is in effect robbing American citizens of full-paying employment?
No system is perfect. Socialism is evil, but to say capitalism – which I fully endorse and agree is far too over-regulated – is flawless is as naïve as voting for Barack Obama.
Damian G. on July 14, 2008 at 12:59 AM
We’ll have to raise taxes exponentially when Baby Boomers all retire, because 40,000,000 younger potential taxpayers have been killed before birth since Roe v. Wade.
jgapinoy on July 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Are you aware that in many adoption agencies, there’s quite a waiting list to adopt infants? The problems with adoption most often occur with infants with medical complications or older kids who have been through several foster homes, and have attachment/behavioral issues, etc.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your left-wing bigotry (Rapture Right?), though.
cs89 on July 14, 2008 at 1:03 AM
I do not care what faith anyone may have: a vote for socialism is a vote against freedom and that makes it a vote against humanity.
allrsn on July 14, 2008 at 1:04 AM
Since you claimed to be a rightie the other day, I fixed it for you…otherwise you are a troll, and a liar.
Entelechy on July 14, 2008 at 1:08 AM
I don’t believe in god, Ent.
That makes me not a Rapture Republican…
alphie on July 14, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Hey friend, won’t be posting on this thread other than to touch nuckles.
Hope you are well, un-aborted and rapturous.
Peski.
peski on July 14, 2008 at 1:26 AM
It’s been 40 million boys and girls murdered here in America. Half of all black children are murdered before their birthday. All of them are wanted babies as there are enough adopting parents to take them all and provide loving homes for them. All the lowdown left can do is kill them. By the way you won’t always have the rapture-right to kick around… after the rapture.
Mojave Mark on July 14, 2008 at 1:29 AM
This part is ok by me. I believe in freedom of religion, and from religion.
Peski, my friend, I’m obviously “un-aborted” and mostly “rapturous”. On the “well” part it could always be a lot worse. The Obama ‘change’ will make me ecstatic.
Entelechy on July 14, 2008 at 1:47 AM
All that inconvenient life running around might screw up some numbers in accounting?
I applaud your intellectual honesty in fully revealing your misanthropy. It makes it much easier to understand why I can never take your side.
joewm315 on July 14, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Care to address the issue of all the “unwanted” kids?
cs89 on July 14, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Elizabeth Scalia is a great lady and a tremendous thinker., both at the Anchoress and at PJM. God bless her.
Dawnsblood on July 14, 2008 at 2:02 AM
as a leftie hater of all thing americian, alphie says: DEATH TO ALL AMERICAN CHILDREN!!
allrsn on July 14, 2008 at 2:03 AM
As a prejudiced leftie alphie says: death to all american groups!!!
allrsn on July 14, 2008 at 2:04 AM
The “excesses of capitalism” is what makes this country great!
Capitalist Infidel on July 14, 2008 at 2:31 AM
That is not the point and you know it. You Jerk.
Kini on July 14, 2008 at 2:35 AM
Please define “unwanted child”. Thanks.
labrat on July 14, 2008 at 2:35 AM
You sure beat hell out of that strawman.
P.S. Entelechy, hemorrhoids are still aghast!
hillbillyjim on July 14, 2008 at 2:40 AM
Just wanted to quote that part for truth.
We hear it a lot, but just think on that number for a moment. 35 years, 40 mil. dead.
Well, I’m sufficiently depressed. Good night.
labrat on July 14, 2008 at 3:01 AM
The problem is that the Catholic Church has embraced Marxist Liberation Theology for their social views. Thomas E. Woods, a Catholic himself, has a good response to it.
Tim Burton on July 14, 2008 at 4:53 AM
I think once the first European country falls into unwinnable civil war. we will have realized what led to that and abortion will banned for national security reasons.
Part of me thinks that Muslims are God’s punishment for a society that destroys its youth.
VinceP1974 on July 14, 2008 at 6:34 AM
Why is it, in this country, children are treated so horribly?
If you watch the news, everyday there are reports of parents beating their children to death, kidnappings, child abuse, sexual abuse, babies being flipped off a pillow or slapped so a kid can post it on youtube….and kids are being raised by tv and video games, beating each other up
Too many parents have children as a status symbol and then they are raised by a succession of nannies or babysitters. If you get pregnant..deal with it. Either raise the child or put them up for adoption. There are waiting lists of parents who cannot have a child.
Muslims have many, many children and they will soon overrun the Christian population. They want to take over the world and the US and how easy it will be to do when their numbers are higher than ours.
It happened in Lebanon…it was a Christian majority country, beautiful until they took in Palestinian refugees, allowed their borders to be wide open and the Muslims eventually attacked Christians, killing them at every turn and soon took over that country. If you dont think it could happen here, ask Brigitte Gabriel.
becki51758 on July 14, 2008 at 6:59 AM
nonfactor is apparently too lazy to formulate her Catholic support of abortion talking point today. So you’re stuck with illiterate alphie for the nutjob left. Slim pickens.
Jaibones on July 14, 2008 at 7:06 AM
“The point is, there are liberals (many of which are clergy), and there are conservatives in the Catholic Church, and those who support Obama simply choose to ignore the views of the Church that don’t fit their personal beliefs. Simple as that.”
I don’t think it could be said more succinctly or accurately.
“The problem is that the Catholic Church has embraced Marxist Liberation Theology for their social views.”
Uh, no. You are confusing the Church with *some* so-called theologians and clergy. That may be the same with Protestants. It is certainly not with the RC Church.
rightwingprof on July 14, 2008 at 7:36 AM
I always find it utterly comical when Catholics self-righteously pronounce on morality.
Leaving aside the rampant and seemingly sanctioned kiddie-fiddling and such, what was with all that nazi gold?
Ares on July 14, 2008 at 8:49 AM
As an evangelical (I was a Catholic until 18 yrs of age), I have to defend the Catholics from the excesses of your statement. There are Catholics who subscribe to Marxism, but to say the church as a whole embraces it is silly. I think the Pope leans a little to the left of center economically, but he’s no Marxist. And there are lots of conservative Catholics (right, Ed?).
jgapinoy on July 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM
how any Catholic can justify voting for Obama, I have no clue.
Oh, that’s easy. They’re not called cafeteria Catholics for no reason, you know. Abortion OK, death penalty not so much. Sancity of life, you know. And they’re irony proof…
I R A Darth Aggie on July 14, 2008 at 9:25 AM
In the great Satan of Toronto. (Actually his lesser minion, Etobicoke.) And sorry for the delay in replying; my comment was just before I went to bed.
P.S. Go back to reading your Chick comics, Ares.
andycanuck on July 14, 2008 at 9:57 AM
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