North Korea verification reaches “principled consensus”

posted at 10:24 am on July 12, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The system to verify the disarming of the DPRK’s nuclear arsenal reached a “principled consensus” among the six nations involved.  No one would divulge any details, but an agreement on verification would strengthen the previous agreement by Pyongyang to end its nuclear programs, which resulted in the earlier destruction of its Yongbyon reactor:

The six-nation talks on North Korea’s nuclear program reached a “principled consensus” on how to verify the information in Pyongyang’s nuclear declaration submitted last month, Chinese officials said in a Xinhua report.

The top U.S. negotiator said Saturday’s session would focus on preparing for the next phase of talks.

The six-party talks, which had been on hold for the last nine months, resumed in Beijing Thursday after several perceived positive developments in efforts to dismantle North Korea’s nuclear program.

“We did have a good set of meetings yesterday,” U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill said. “We went through all the issues that we really wanted to go through, except to have an expanded discussion on what could be the scope for this next phase.”

Verification is the key, as it was during the late Cold War period in disarmament talks with the Soviets.  The previous Agreed Framework mostly ignored verification, allowing Kim Jong-Il an opening to maintain his development of nuclear weapons.  Any aid delivered to the DPRK has to follow from verified actions in disarming its nukes and dismantling its development programs.

For one member of the talks, it will take more than that.  Japan still insists, and rightly so, on a full accounting of their citizens kidnapped by the DPRK over the last several decades.  Kim’s regime and that of his father abducted Japanese men and women for intelligence gathering, 17 of them according to Tokyo.  Five have been returned to Japan, and Kim says the other twelve died — but has not given enough information yet to satisfy Japan.  Kim agreed to start a new investigation into the abductions, but until North Korea satisfies Japan, Tokyo refuses to give any aid to Pyongyang.

The Bush administration lifted some sanctions on North Korea, leaving others in place, as a sign of cooperation.  A reliable verification system should allow for even more easing of tensions between the US and the DPRK.  However, we should not lose sight of the fact that the DPRK is still a Stalinist dictatorship with or without nukes, and our long-term goal should be to free the North Koreans from their oppressors, not to dance cheek-to-cheek with the Stalinists.  Disarming North Korea of its nukes peacefully would be a tremendous victory for the US and its partners, but it’s not the end of the issue.

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Will there be “progress” in freeing some of the 1000s of tortured political/religious prisoners in Kim Mentally-ill’s N. Korea?

jgapinoy on July 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM

jgapinoy on July 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM

In time, jga, in time. Getting the nukes out of that country is Job 1, although I fear the cat’s out of the bag, since the Norks presumably have scientists who they could export to various third world regimes to assist in nuclear proliferation efforts. Eventually that regime will crumble, and until then, we just need to keep them boxed in.

Outlander on July 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Will there be “progress” in freeing some of the 1000s of tortured political/religious prisoners in Kim Mentally-ill’s N. Korea?

jgapinoy on July 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Not right away but as Ed pointed out this is an important first step.

Yakko77 on July 12, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Norks presumably have scientists who they could export to various third world regimes to assist in nuclear proliferation efforts

Outlander on July 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Thanks to Israel several of these experts photos have ended up on the side of Syrian milk cartons.

All in time. Kim wouldn’t have traded away his toys unless his capos were getting ready to dump him. He bought himself a little time, that’s it. I don’t think it will be long before Koreans are removing the world’s largest minefield along the DMZ.

Limerick on July 12, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I said it in the past, Kim Jong-Il could turn against Nukes and be a hero to his country. Yes, he would take part of the blame, but also would get high marks for changing to an open society and improving the cost of living for his people.

Would you rather go down in history as a dictator, or a liberator?

WoosterOh on July 12, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Let’s see how things continue after the Olympics.

OldEnglish on July 12, 2008 at 11:05 AM

…but keep Kim on Thorazine.

whitetop on July 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Why should our long term goal be to ‘free’ the people in the DPRK from their regime?

Isn’t that there job?

I don’t think you logic scales, and that is only one issue you have.

Ares on July 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Why should our long term goal be to ‘free’ the people in the DPRK from their regime?

Ares on July 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Why do you give your dog a rabies shot?

Limerick on July 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM

The people of DPRK eat dogs, but it isn’t fair to call them dogs Limerick

I give dog a rabies shot because he is my responsibility.

I don’t give every other dog on the planet one.

Maybe that should be my ‘aim’?

Yes we can?

Ares on July 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Disarming North Korea of its nukes peacefully would be a tremendous victory for the US and its partners, but it’s not the end of the issue.

Right now, it’s just a piece of paper. North Korea has broken every agreement they’ve made, so why should we expect them to change now? They’ll either find ways to stall the verification regime while making demands for further concessions (which we’ll grant) to get them to agree to live up to the agreements they’ve already made, or they’ll simply continue with a parallel secret program. (Recall the trace uranium that was found on documents North Korea turned over. Pyongyang claims it doesn’t even have a uranium program, of course. So, where’d the uranium come from?)

North Korea isn’t a state or a nation, it’s a prison camp run by a bunch of mountain bandits who live by shaking down their neighbors. All we’re doing with this agreement is facilitating it.

irishspy on July 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM

which resulted in the earlier destruction of its Yongbyon reactor

I thought that the only thing verified destroyed so far was the cooling tower.

Oldnuke on July 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM

The people of DPRK eat dogs, but it isn’t fair to call them dogs Limerick

Ares on July 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Kudo’s on the twist. Wiping the beer off my face now.

You give your dog a rabies shot so it doesn’t end up killing you, or you it.

Limerick on July 12, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Specious line of argumentation worthy of the Obama campaign.

Is our goal to ‘free’ DPRK and every other person living in a failed state?

Nice goal, totally unrealistic, but nice all the same.

Ares on July 12, 2008 at 12:54 PM

North Korea isn’t a state or a nation, it’s a prison camp run by a bunch of mountain bandits who live by shaking down their neighbors. All we’re doing with this agreement is facilitating it.

(irishspy)

True dat.

Unfortunately, we’re fighting a war on two fronts (nearing the end, it seems), and this one is on China’s doorstep – which is the only reason the “Prison Camp Nork” even exists.

I’m not saying the Chinese will ever help free the North Koreans, I’m just saying that without at least their approval it isn’t going to happen.

Both the North Korean “bandit kings” and the Chinese party power elite are responsible for the degradation and near-destruction of an entire people, and right now there isn’t a thing we can do about it.

The “talks” are kind of useless but it does allow as a small boost in monitoring ability.

Merovign on July 12, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Would you rather go down in history as a dictator, or a liberator?

(WoosterOh)

A sane person? Liberator.

Lil’ Kim? Not sane. Dude has absolute power, all the goodies he could want, free babes, an adoring AND terrified populace, and he has lived his ENTIRE life in that place.

The same goes for his military leadership. They have nothing to gain and everything (including their heads) to lose from even a small move toward openness or freedom.

The only “change” that CAN take place there is by force. And it will probably be a generation AFTER that that anyone could call the country “liberated,” we’re talking about someplace ten times worse than East Germany, and they’re still recovering from the legacy of Soviet domination.

Merovign on July 12, 2008 at 1:51 PM

we’ve got them on the ropes, now it’s time for the finishing blow… democracy and human rights for their people…. no less!

Kaptain Amerika on July 12, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Let’s hear it for the latest member of “Team America” Albright. I heard it was no deal until they threw in the the recipe fro some Possum,Southern Style and a 100 ton shipment to replace the dogs…

CynicalOptimist on July 12, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Ares at 11:20AM

Some of us care about people, no matter where they happen to live.
It is my job to do good, & to encourage others to do good.
I’m not calling for a military action. The US gov’t can pressure the Kim regime in other ways.
I pity you if you don’t think that’s a worthy enterprise.

jgapinoy on July 12, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Then they all had a nice game of hoops with an old ball some frumpy old American woman left behind.

oakpack on July 12, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Sorry, I don’t trust the Klingons.

- The Cat

P.S. This ‘Principled Consensus’ sounds very wiggle roomie.

MirCat on July 12, 2008 at 4:09 PM

…Koreans are removing the world’s largest minefield along the DMZ.

Limerick on July 12, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Poetic justice would require the top party officials do it themselves.

maverick muse on July 12, 2008 at 6:32 PM

With 100,000 plus conventional missiles targeted on the 12M plus inhabitants of Seoul via a hair-trigger, this ain’t over by far. It is a step in the right direction, a complete reversal of the Clinton/Albright can-kicking affair’s direction, but much work remains to be done, and much hazard for all involved.

Maquis on July 12, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Verify then trust………

patrick neid on July 12, 2008 at 7:21 PM

All these concessions were gotten for one of Elvis’ jumpsuits, I heard.

Ill little Kim is nuts for Presley.

profitsbeard on July 13, 2008 at 1:48 AM

Verify then trust? Nope, Verify then be very wairy.

As far as pressuring them to free political prisoners, well thats kinda nice, but I think we need to put our efforts into cleaning up our own problems first.

N4646W on July 13, 2008 at 3:30 AM

I say verify then bribe our way into a military coup. Hey, the CIA could try.

Dr. Manhattan on July 13, 2008 at 3:32 AM

Childhood flashback – Bullwinkle Moose, “This time for sure!”
He never got a rabbit out of that hat.

{^_^}

herself on July 13, 2008 at 3:33 AM

With 100,000 plus conventional missiles targeted on the 12M plus inhabitants of Seoul via a hair-trigger, this ain’t over by far.

Maquis on July 12, 2008 at 6:55 PM

I suspect that with their food problems in the past that North Korea has no war reserve with which to feed their army. It’s doubtful that they intend to attack the south. That would really be the end of Kim.

All indications point to a Chinese client state that is barely hanging on by coercing aid from the outside world.

Special Forces Grunt on July 13, 2008 at 8:18 AM

Everytime I see that picture I wonder if the guy in the middle visited the shark tank at some point in the future.

pc on July 13, 2008 at 3:37 PM