Obama’s latest flip-flop: Death penalty for bin Laden! Update: Double flip-flop with a global test?
posted at 5:50 pm on July 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Just three weeks ago, Barack Obama said that he would not make Osama bin Laden into a martyr if he was captured. Today, Barack Obama suddenly thinks the death penalty would be keen-o for OBL. In a CNN interview, Obama said that although he was not a death-penalty proponent, he thinks murdering 3,000 Americans justifies an execution:
If he was captured alive, then we would make a decision to bring the full weight of not only US justice but world justice down on him. And, uh, I think that I’ve said this before, that I am not a cheerleader for the death penalty … I think it has to be reserved for only the most heinous crimes, but I certainly think that plotting and engineering the death of 3,000 Americans justifies such an approach.
Has he said this before? Not exactly. In fact, this is what he said on June 18th:
“What would be important would be for us to do it in a way that allows the entire world to understand the murderous acts that he’s engaged in and not to make him into a martyr, and to assure that the United States government is abiding by basic conventions that would strengthen our hand in the broader battle against terrorism,” Obama said.
So Obama, who has had at least 18 months to consider how he would treat the most wanted terrorist in the world if he fell into his hands, suddenly changed his mind over a space of three weeks. Not only did he change his mind, Obama wants everyone to believe that — wait for it — he’s said the same thing all along. And it’s not like this is some arcane point of policy wonkishness; this is a cut-and-dried question on a central point in the war on al-Qaeda, and Obama is making it up as he goes along.
Barack Obama. Change like you wouldn’t believe.
Update: This may be a double-flip-flop, according to Obama’s website. Here’s Obama from July 2007, courtesy of HA reader Gabriel M:
Obama, who has expressed reservations about capital punishment but does not oppose it, said he would support the death penalty for Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.
“The first thing I’d support is his capture, which is something this administration has proved incapable of achieving,” Obama said. “I would then, as president, order a trial that observed international standards of due process. At that point, do I think that somebody who killed 3,000 Americans qualifies as someone who has perpetrated heinous crimes, and would qualify for the death penalty. Then yes.”
So what exactly does Obama want to do with OBL? He wants to execute him, but then doesn’t want to make a martyr of him, and now three weeks later he’s back to execution. However, the comment about “not just US justice but world justice” calls into question Obama’s entire assertion. Most of our European allies oppose the death penalty altogether. Does that mean Obama wants a Kerryesque “global test” on how we should treat bin Laden?
And for that matter, why isn’t “US justice” good enough? Does Obama consider that somehow defective for a case of mass murder on American soil?
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I feel like I’m in the movie Ground Hog Day.
Isn’t there supposed to be some karmic way out.
JiangxiDad on July 11, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Wow. What else can you say?
JeffreyLloyd on July 11, 2008 at 5:55 PM
He probably read a pole that concluded most people want Osama’s head on a pole.
He will do whatever it takes to win the whitehouse. Not much different than hillary because she would change her opinion based on whatever was the ‘popular’ opinion. Same same.
tx2654 on July 11, 2008 at 5:56 PM
haha ..POLE…..POLL!!
tx2654 on July 11, 2008 at 5:56 PM
If only the republicans had a candidate that didn’t suck. This guy is a tool.
lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 5:58 PM
No, no, no, you’re not listening! He hasn’t changed his position! Not ever!
The death penalty is justified in this case, but making him a martyr is a bad idea.
See? Plenty of room to say he’s advocating both sides, and plenty of room for both sides to get royally p*ss*ed off.
NeighborhoodCatLady on July 11, 2008 at 6:00 PM
“Let’s be clear, there has been a really systematic effort to suggest that I’m not sufficiently in favor of [killing Bin Laden]. The fact is, though, that no one’s been a more stalwart proponent of [killing Bin Laden]…”
Just more Obanics
Cicero43 on July 11, 2008 at 6:01 PM
More Change
SoulGlo on July 11, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Another one?
All I can say is …. Rove, you magnificent b*stard!
Dusty on July 11, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Glad he supports the execution of abortion doctors who kill 3,000 Americans…err…wait. Nevermind.
Tim Burton on July 11, 2008 at 6:05 PM
There is no difference between the premeditated murder of one person and the premeditated murder of 3000 persons–if, that is, you’re operating from a moral standard outside of yourself.
If you’re making up a standard to suit each and every occasion, however, then you flip when it’s time to flip and you flop when its time to flop.
baldilocks on July 11, 2008 at 6:05 PM
What if bin Laden became a Mexican citizen and then sneaked across the border into the U.S.?
BobH on July 11, 2008 at 6:06 PM
“Barack Obama. Change like you wouldn’t believe” …that’s beautiful.
bard on July 11, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Did he actually flip-flop? Or does he have a fundamental misunderstanding of what an infidel killing bin Laden would do? Does he think that we can somehow kill him without making him a martyr?
amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 6:09 PM
It’s getting to the point with B.O. flip-flopping here, there, and everywhere on everything under the sun that maybe what the MSM should do, just for the sake of covering themselves, is each time he says something, create two reports: one for what he says the one day, and the complete opposite of what he said the day before for the next.
Even better, just report that the Democratic Party has a candidate that has a very very hard time making up his mind on exactly where he stands, regardless what the issue or topic may be.
pilamaye on July 11, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Obambi is the most articulate loon ever.
tarpon on July 11, 2008 at 6:12 PM
That man has aged ten years in two.
carbon_footprint on July 11, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Wow. Here we were thinking John F. (Kohn) Kerry flipped and flopped. The Obamarxist makes Gumby look rigid and inflexible.
SeniorD on July 11, 2008 at 6:14 PM
It all depends on who the victims are. Murdering 3,000 “bitter clingers” wouldn’t justify the death penalty. After all, they were only deprived of a lifetime of not knowing the pleasures of arugula, speaking French and acquiring Chicago mansions at half off.
Maybe supervised probation would be appropriate.
Cicero43 on July 11, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Well, he definitely has developed Alzheimer’s.
Tim Burton on July 11, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Would someone please bother to ask him what the heck that means? He now wants to fry bin Laden yet a large portion of people he’d be embarassed to ask in English to help, would fight him tooth and nail on the death penalty and probably tell him their laws prevent them from providing it.
Then there’s that other large portion who’d prefer to send bin Laden to religious summer camp.
Dusty on July 11, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Obama will change the failed policies of the past. Including what he said three weeks ago.
Don’t bother comparing, folks. He just refined his inartful statement to what he has consistently said. Got it?
Steve Z on July 11, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Obama: Can I finish my waffle?
crosspatch on July 11, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Unbelievable.
His arrogance is appalling, but these flip flops show he has NO reason to BE arrogant! He is totally lost it.
NO bamboozling there…
becki51758 on July 11, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Hold it hold it. I don’t think this really qualifies as a flip flop so much as Obama never really taking a position either way.
TheUnrepentantGeek on July 11, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Does this mean that Obama threw Osama under the bus?
Dingbat63 on July 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Now I can appreciate what I formerly thought was McCains inept, slow, sluggish, lackluster campaign.
It must be really tough running against someone who has always said he is taking all sides of all issues.
He has always said he was always for it today, he has always said he was always against it tomorrow.
Ahhh all hail the Messiah!
What side does he take on slave reperations Jessy and I want to know.
dhunter on July 11, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Bring world justice down on him? Like the court in The Hague that couldn’t convict Slobodan Milosevic before he died a natural death? That would only give Bin Laden a bigger soapbox from which to preach hate, instead of videos secretly delivered from Pakistan to Al Jazeera.
Just punishment for Bin Laden: Take him into a helicopter 1400 ft above Ground Zero without a parachute and push him out. Like those who jumped out of the World Trade Center.
Steve Z on July 11, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Opollma whichevery way the polls show to be popular is where obama stands.
William Amos on July 11, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Okay, we want that on a poster.
Meryl Yourish on July 11, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Obama, unchanging, like the weather!
BobH on July 11, 2008 at 6:29 PM
No offense Ed, but this whole thing of building up the case for “Obama the flip-flopper” is starting to move into the silly. He’s never made a statement ruling out the death penalty for terrorism so how can it be a flip-flop? Even in the link you provide to the comments about the possible Nuremberg-style trials he admits that he isn’t certain what route he’d take.
Typhonsentra on July 11, 2008 at 6:30 PM
That is the ONLY constant in bho’s speeches, usually follwed by some fictional B.S.
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And why is he so obsessed with what the rest of the world thinks???
shooter on July 11, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Didn’t you just say that?
Jaibones on July 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Looks like Rev. J.Jackson finished Nobama’s nuts and cut out his spine.
Zorg on July 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Ditto. Pardon me…
Jaibones on July 11, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Well now, someone needs to tell those hollywood libs that BO now is in favor of the death penalty. See how they spin it.
Really you couldn’t make his stuff up!
redshirt on July 11, 2008 at 6:35 PM
The “depends” standard was spelled out in the second part of my comment:
baldilocks on July 11, 2008 at 6:36 PM
I can’t believe this guy is going to be the POTUS.
Shameful.
Claypigeon on July 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM
UPDATED!
I’m so glad to know BO is in favor of catching OBL!
Brave man!
redshirt on July 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM
I want all the commenters on here who always ‘whine’ about John mcCain to see what we have waiting for us on the other side. i’m a black guy, and when i start thinking what a cool thing it will be to vote for another black man, i come in here and listen to obama, and get the senses knocked back into me.
This is why all the whining about McCain here pisses me off. I shudder to think what will happen if this guy is allowed to become president.
Chudi on July 11, 2008 at 6:39 PM
And think about it, McCain is going to lose to him.
WoosterOh on July 11, 2008 at 6:41 PM
And does the MSM point out these glaring inconsistencies or do whatever they can to obscure them?
I have a new word for the sniveling media sycophants: Obamagandists
miles on July 11, 2008 at 6:46 PM
So if a predator drone gets OBL in its sights, Obama wouldn’t want us to pull the trigger? We should bring him to “world justice”?
Wethal on July 11, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Corrected transcript:
•
If he was captured, uh, alive, uh, then, uh, we would make a decision to bring the full weight of not only US justice but, uh, world justice, uh, down, uh, on him. Uh, and, uh, and I think that I’ve said this before, that, uh, I am not a, a cheerleader for the death penalty… I think it has to be reserved for only the most heinous crimes, uh, but, uh, I certainly think that plotting and engineering the death of 3,000 Americans, uh, justifies, uh, such an approach.
•
RushBaby on July 11, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Obama be lying to the right
Obama be lying to the left
Obama be flippin to the east
Obama be floppin to the west
And inbetween,the bus will get no rest:).
canopfor on July 11, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Wait!
The DNC handbook states that flipping from a position that you flopped to back to the original position that you flipped from negates the flop and secondary flip … so he’s cool.
No doubt the MSM has copies of the DNC handbook in the newsroom. That’s why these flip-flop-flips are never reported … there’s no need to!
darwin on July 11, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Some folks stutter, others stammer. And a few Obama.
T J Green on July 11, 2008 at 6:57 PM
RushBaby on July 11, 2008 at 6:50 PM
hahahaaaa Muy Bien!
becki51758 on July 11, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Too bad Obama isn’t on the Olympic diving team. With all these flips and spins…but his form is so lousy. And he ends up flopping.
Wethal on July 11, 2008 at 7:00 PM
I hope someone asks Obama, that great Constitutional law scholar, in precisely what ways he finds U.S. standards of due process to be so inadequate or unjust that our standards should not be applied in a trial of a man who murdered thousands of Americans on American soil.
Idiot.
AZCoyote on July 11, 2008 at 7:01 PM
[Chudi on July 11, 2008 at 6:39 PM]
I appreciate your comment. Just let me note, that contrary to a much earlier in the primary comment during a fit of frustration that I would not be voting for McCain, I am supporting McCain and will be voting for him.
That said, I am going to continue to make it clear to him that he does not have my carte blanche support in his policy proposals and I do make that clear to the RNC, the NRSC and the NRCC as well as my reps and those I contribute to, that there are issues I oppose McCain on and I expect it of them, too. I will not go away on those issues.
Dusty on July 11, 2008 at 7:04 PM
How can this guy get away with all these flip-flop, flop-flips?
Boy, Kerry is an amateur compared to Obama!
jencab on July 11, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Corrected transcript
Rushbaby on July 10,2008 at 6:50PM.
RushBaby: Umm,how shall i say,ah um, or put this,I like
your,ah um,transcript of Obama speak,and ah,
how can, um ah, I delicately,um ah put this,ah
it really ah good!————————–:)
canopfor on July 11, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy! Barack Obama is in favor of the death penalty! FOR HEINIOUS CRIMES OR NOT! HE STILL SUPPORTS THE DEATH PENALTY!!!
GET THE WORD OUT! BARACK OBAMA SUPPORTS THE DEATH PENALTY!!!
RMR on July 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM
In the beginning,the Liberals created chaos
On the second day,they created the Liberal handbook
On the third day they created Liberal speak
on the fourth day they created class envy,identity Politics
On the Fifth day they created the Liberal Democratic Party
On the sixth day,they created,Flip Flop,and the MSM
On the seventh day,they did not rest,they went to San
Fransico to party.haha.
canopfor on July 11, 2008 at 7:16 PM
You know what it is? Obama thinks too much. He over-thinks things. He comes to a conclusion, then thinks about it for a few weeks, then decides he was wrong. Then does it again. And again. The man is a one-man Crossfire show, apparently.
Seixon on July 11, 2008 at 7:21 PM
World Justice
Ya know,Obama saying world justice,
sounds a tad like the crazy talk of
a New World Order!
I thought the Liberal platform was
against the death penalty,period!
So then,which is It,the Liberal party floppenzee
or that Obama is flippinzee,the Leftys can’t
have it both ways! Me jus sayin!
canopfor on July 11, 2008 at 7:24 PM
True opponents of the death penalty believe that it should not be applied to anyone regardless of their crime, heinous or not. Barack Obama said that he is willing to apply the death penalty to individuals who he believed committed a heinous crime.
To me, that’s sounds like he is in favor of the death penalty! If only for heinous crimes.
RMR on July 11, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Another split screen opportunity for a campaign ad.
patrick neid on July 11, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Won’t he be confusing his supporters with this completely? After all, they don’t believe OBL orchestrated 9/11 in the first place. Even admitting he believes OBL is guilty may alienate a good portion of his base.
He’ll have to figure out another flop to fix this.
Candy Slice on July 11, 2008 at 7:41 PM
McCain doesn’t do “attack ads.” *Sigh*
Cicero43 on July 11, 2008 at 7:42 PM
You’re crackin’ me up, zee!
RushBaby on July 11, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Let’s not make America a martyr for Obama.
profitsbeard on July 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Obama should be working for Ringling Brothers.
Hog Wild on July 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Notice how he slipped in the “distraction of Iraq” remark to deflect attention from his own backtracking?
onlineanalyst on July 11, 2008 at 8:22 PM
The distraction of Iraq? WTF?
Kini on July 11, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Says who? I know J-Mac won’t go after personal matters like Reverend Wrong, but he didn’t nix all attacks, did he?
jgapinoy on July 11, 2008 at 8:29 PM
So this blithering idiot advances as a “fact that we have seriously failed to go after al-Qaeda over the last five years because of the distraction of Iraq.”
How does one unpack such arrant nonsense?
It’s not as if al-Qaeda has not been targeted over the last five years, it’s not as if al-Qaeda has not been in Iraq over the last five years, and it’s not as if al-Qaeda has not been decimated in Iraq by the valiant members of our armed forces over the last five years.
And this guy wants to be Commander-in-Chief?
It must be kind of hard to get the facts when the only thing you pay attention to are the Democratic talking points.
Blackacre on July 11, 2008 at 8:33 PM
IOW, he doesn’t think things through the first time or even the second He’s certainly not operating from any objective set of principles, unless you call “win by any mean necessary” a principle.
baldilocks on July 11, 2008 at 8:48 PM
There should be a period between these two words.
baldilocks on July 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM
And we thought Bush couldn’t form a sentence ^v^
Kini on July 11, 2008 at 8:59 PM
“win by any mean necessary”
baldilocks on July 11,2008 at 8:50PM.
baldilocks:Yup,dead on,and thats exactly what the left are
going to do,by any means,the nutcake moonbats
think Gore got screwd!
Obama,for the left,is their only hope,and
they all want their power back at any cost!:)
canopfor on July 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM
No, Obama’s problem is that he is a dyed in the wool Liberal Democrat. Stands for nothing, believes in nothing. He’s got a team of 40 lackey’s reading everything in print, internet, polls…blah, blah, blah..24/7. He forms all his opinions on what he, and his crack team of LibTard stoolies, figure to be the OPINION of the moment. He gets caught looking like an imbecile, shrugs it off, and then moves on.
I wish one of the major polling outfits would skew their numbers on a poll of one Obama’s core beliefs- If they could find one that is. For the sake of argument, let’s say ‘US public overwhelmingly finds clubbing baby seals necessary to environmental goodness’.
He’d be wearing a fur hat the next day telling a reporter ‘Can’t you just let me finish my seal sandwich’?
BigWyo on July 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Under the current state of the law, as soon as OBL is captured, the ACLU will file a writ of habeas corpus for him. He will be released on his own recognizance in New York City and disappear like the 12-20 million illegal aliens already in the country.
slp on July 11, 2008 at 9:42 PM
I’m with Dusty,
as much as I have complained about McCain and the dumbass RNC shoving him down our throats I have recently come to the conclusion I must vote for him rather than the other option. My conscience will not let me vote for destruction of this country as we know it.
Tomorrow he will open his mouth and make me want to reconsider.
I’ve decided in this race its going to be the idiot that does the least damage to himself that wins.
Shutup McCain and appoint Pallin as your Veep then get on the drilling in ANWR bandwagon before Obamessiah gets to the right of you and dooms your chances.
dhunter on July 11, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Ossama cannot be taken alive, even if the situation presents itself. He must be terminated without spending a single second in custody. So long as he lives, be it as a free man or as a prisoneer awaiting trial or execution, he poses a threat to the civilized world; as a figurehead of jihad or symbol of resistance for the rest of his wretched kind, spurring them on to further crimes against humanity, which would only increase were he taken prisoneer.
He must be killed, preferably in a manner that exposes to the entire world the canard that is his seeming invulnerablity, his power, his prestige as it were. He must be neutered as both a figurehead and leader, for the psychological effect that such would render on the Muslim world: He challenged the free world, he lost, he died like a filthy animal in a cage, not on his feet as a soldier of Allah, but on his knees like a swine to the slaughter and all that follow in his path shall be similarly disposed.
This is something that everyone in the free world must understand: his crime goes beyond the bounds of civil justice, beyond the bounds of warfare. His crime is as a cancer, a call to evil and attrocity against the entirety of civilization. There are no laws save the laws of nature itself, kill or be killed, destroy or be destroyed that apply to this creature.
On this, there can be no compromise or half measures. No debate or negotiation. It is, in every sense, the only way to deal with both him and his cause.
SuperCool on July 11, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Death by old age.
danking70 on July 11, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Hey Obama… Didn’t you get the memo 9/11 was an inside joB!
LMAO!!! BWWAHAHAHAA!
He just dropped 2-3% !!!!!!!
Chakra Hammer on July 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM
He’s going to kill him with reverse social justice.
And it’s gonna HURT so bad.
benrand on July 11, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Rosie O’donell,Charlie Sheen,Jesse Ventura,Rep.Maxine Waters,Ed Asner,DNC Chair Howard Dean,Willie Nelson,Rep.Cynthia McKinney,Mark Cuban (Dallas Mavericks Owner) and about 48% of democrats are going to be really pissed off that Obama is shooting down another conspiracy theory “Bush did 9/11″ like he did with approving FISA “Bush is spying on Americans illegally”.
Obama is bringing about “change”.
He is “changing” what little “hope” his idiot leftist followers had of impeaching Bush into a hopeless loss in their pathetic little War on Bush.
Baxter Greene on July 12, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Ahh, now there’s change you can believe in.
Trainwreck on July 12, 2008 at 9:29 AM
Good on you, Chudi….I’m a white guy and I appreciate this thread because of guys like you…that think…I also agree with you
b4lucy on July 12, 2008 at 11:01 AM
“Yes We Can hold every position possible at the same time.
That is change you can believe in. ”
attrib – Dreams from Bill Clinton, by Barack O’Bomber
Ares on July 12, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Ed said:
When he should have said
Survey after survey shows that many Europeans favor the death penalty but their “enlightened” officials know better.
E9RET on July 12, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Looks like we could open a store: Starbama’s “I’d like to get…uh, a double flip-flop with extra global test…”
eeyore on July 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Osama needs a good old fashioned horsewhipping followed by dancing….at the end of a rope.
Obama needs a pair and a brain. What a pussy!!
Bubba Redneck on July 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Is this inconsistent with Obama’s death penalty stand on child rapists? Is that a “heinous crime” worthy of a death under “international law” too?
Dollayo on July 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM
sound like a good movie OBAMA vs OSAMA, The Audacity of Death. I can’t wait.
gr8inferno on July 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Okay, that clinches it. Obama isn’t a real person, he’s a robot linked wirelessly to an Internet Bullcrap Generator.
Either that, or he’s just a pathological liar. But I’m betting on robot.
Merovign on July 12, 2008 at 2:22 PM
You know, you can execute him and not make him a martyr. Give him a lethal injection, but in addition to the three drugs that will kill him, you give him a fourth IV loaded with pig’s blood and dog urine. Cruel and unusual? You bet, but so was 9/11.
Kafir on July 12, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Oxymoron.
This simply reinforces the hit on Obambi that he sees nothing of value in America (except our wallets). For all the hype of his vaunted Harvard/Columbia education, this mental midget consistently demonstrates the least knowledge of his own country and certainly fails to grasp the superiority of our legal system over a European one. The standard line in law school is that our legal system is the worst, except for all the others. Why should some moron in France get to tell us how to administer the death penalty?
second digit on July 12, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Hussein just can’t stop drinking his own Kool Aid! ((sigh))
byteshredder on July 12, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Easily explained: “This isn’t the Osama bin Laden I knew, but now he has taken credit for multiple atrocities that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform.”
Bayshoreman on July 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM
With his memory issues, he should be leading the witch-hunt against aluminum water bottles! Product-oriented witch-hunts are very profitable, you know.
Mephistefales on July 12, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Considering that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is nothing more than a Marxist-Muslim who practices “Taqiyah“; how can we ever know what he thinks, what he believes, and when he’s lying or not?
Dale in Atlanta on July 12, 2008 at 8:35 PM
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