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Newsweek Poll: Obama drops like a rock

posted at 6:53 pm on July 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Last month, Newsweek’s poll surprised many by showing a huge gap between Barack Obama and John McCain, with the Democratic nominee-apparent enjoying a 15-point lead over the Republican.  One month later, Obama has lost all of the momentum and has dropped into a virtual tie with McCain.  The latest Newsweek poll shows Obama up 44-41, within the margin of error:

A month after emerging victorious from the bruising Democratic nominating contest, some of Barack Obama’s glow may be fading. In the latest NEWSWEEK Poll, the Illinois senator leads Republican nominee John McCain by just 3 percentage points, 44 percent to 41 percent. The statistical dead heat is a marked change from last month’s NEWSWEEK Poll, where Obama led McCain by 15 points, 51 percent to 36 percent.

Obama’s rapid drop comes at a strategically challenging moment for the Democratic candidate. Having vanquished Hillary Clinton in early June, Obama quickly went about repositioning himself for a general-election audience–an unpleasant task for any nominee emerging from the pander-heavy primary contests and particularly for a candidate who’d slogged through a vigorous primary challenge in most every contest from January until June. Obama’s reversal on FISA legislation, his support of faith-based initiatives and his decision to opt out of the campaign public-financing system left him open to charges he was a flip-flopper. In the new poll, 53 percent of voters (and 50 percent of former Hillary Clinton supporters) believe that Obama has changed his position on key issues in order to gain political advantage.

More seriously, some Obama supporters worry that the spectacle of their candidate eagerly embracing his old rival, Hillary Clinton, and traveling the country courting big donors at lavish fund-raisers, may have done lasting damage to his image as an arbiter of a new kind of politics. This is a major concern since Obama’s outsider credentials, have, in the past, played a large part in his appeal to moderate, swing voters. In the new poll, McCain leads Obama among independents 41 percent to 34 percent, with 25 percent favoring neither candidate. In June’s NEWSWEEK Poll, Obama bested McCain among independent voters, 48 percent to 36 percent.

The sample probably provides the quickest analysis of why Newsweek got such a wide variance in their polling [see update below].  The June sample had 324 Democrats to only 231 Republicans, and the overall sample size was smaller.  In July, they may have swung a little too far the other way, with  324 Democrats again but 315 Republicans.  The actual difference in registration figures are wider than that, but not nearly as wide as June’s sample.

But there is a definite momentum away from Obama, especially within the independents.  June’s poll, taken only three weeks ago, had Obama ahead by 12 points, 48-36.   Obama has lost a whopping 14 points among independents and now trails McCain, 34-41.  “Undecided/Other” rose among independents from 16% in June to 25% in July, which likely shows flirtation with third-party candidates such as Ralph Nader and Bob Barr — but some went to McCain as well.

The Hillary Clinton supporters didn’t show any real movement at all.  They went 70/17 in the new poll, and in June went 69/18.  Despite Obama’s suggestion that he attracts Republicans in large numbers, the crossover vote is almost identical, just as it was last month.

Newsweek speculates that Obama’s embrace of Hillary has damaged his brand of New Politics.  That did a lot less damage than Barack Obama’s series of policy reversals and gaffes over that three-week period.  He has revealed himself as an empty suit and a pandering rookie, and he certainly didn’t need Hillary to point that out.

Update: A reader points out that the last page of the polling data shows a R/D/I split of 28/35/33, which doesn’t match the raw sample numbers.  The report states that Newsweek weighted the data in accordance with demographic information from the Census Bureau.  If they weighted the sample to this degree, then Obama’s in much bigger trouble than I first thought.


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That’s embarrassing. :)

redrock on July 11, 2008 at 7:01 PM

And the June fundraising numbers are? Equally flat? Enquiring people want to to know.

Wethal on July 11, 2008 at 7:02 PM

Rasmussen has him leading by just 1.

amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 7:04 PM

No comment from Hillary as she calls superdelegates.

infidel on July 11, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Fundraising numbers still not released..I wonder why? hmmm

becki51758 on July 11, 2008 at 7:05 PM

The original News weak poll was bogus from the getgo. Nothing across the nation matched it. It was a propaganda ploy they thought might get momentum but it didn’t so they had to get closer to the truth.

wepeople on July 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Any real conservative would be waxing the floor with this guy.

lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 7:09 PM

maybe people are beginning to know what he is AN EMPTY SUIT HAS TO BE FILLED BY SOMONE,,,,,, REMEMBER THE HAND BUMP,, THAT WASNT THE PROBLEM,, ITS HOW HIS WIFE LOOKED AT HIM AND DRAGGED HIM INTO IT,, HES WHIPPED,, JESSE CANT CUT OFF WHAT AINT THERE………IF HE WINS HE WILL NOT BE THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT BUT DEFINITLEY THE FIRST WOMEN PRESIDENT

rico101 on July 11, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Denver, Denver, Denver! Bill Richardson chews down 2 PeptoBismol tablets.

a capella on July 11, 2008 at 7:10 PM

The American voting public is getting to know Obama better — and that’s very bad news for him.

AZCoyote on July 11, 2008 at 7:12 PM

lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 7:09 PM

A real conservative would have fundraising issues, polling issues, and media coverage issues, too. Anyone with an “R” after their name has an uphill battle this year, especially with the media swooning over Obama.

amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 7:12 PM

amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 7:12 PM

McCain is facing that problem; plus he has the problem at being a terrible candidate. McCain can’t go after obama, for some reason, on any of these flip flops with any fortitude. He’s just showing why he didn’t win in 2000.

If he wins in 2008 (doubtful), it’ll just show how shallow the presidential candidate waters are in this country. Obama, too, really. Zombie Reagan would be cleaning the floor with this guy.

lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 7:15 PM

For Newsweek:

A giant lead for the Democrat=a small lead

A moderate lead for the Democrat=a tie

A tie between the Democrat and the Republican=oh sh*t

Speakup on July 11, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Just as I’ve been saying for a while now…*pats self on back*…Obama will continue to drop in the polls while McCain’s numbers go up.

He’ll win in November by a nice, comfortable margin. I have no doubt.

JetBoy on July 11, 2008 at 7:18 PM

He’s dropping like a Ba-Rock.

Reaganite84 on July 11, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Anyone with an “R” after their name has an uphill battle this year, especially with the media swooning over Obama.

amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 7:12 PM

I agree…but if you check out the lefty websites and such, they all say the media is swooning over McCain, while being much harder on Obama.

JetBoy on July 11, 2008 at 7:19 PM

McCain is facing that problem…

lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 7:15 PM

I know. All I’m saying is that any Republican would have an unbelievable uphill battle this year. It’s not something restricted to a less-than-perfect candidate.

As much as I’d like to think there would be a Republican (that actually exists) who’d wipe the floor with Obama this year, I’m not convinced there is.

amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 7:20 PM

That isn’t the Newsweek Poll I thought I knew!

Micah on July 11, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Barack, my man, it’s time to play hardball.

That’s right, something from the Clinton playbook. Now don’t react right away, Barry, just let it sink in:

“Middle class tax cut.”

Dude, it’s been tested. In your first State of the Union address, you say, “by God, I’ve worked harder than I’ve ever worked in my life as a community organizer and, dammit, I just can’t make the numbers work for the middle class tax cut!” Try to look as if you’re going to cry as you say it. Pound your fist on the podium when you say “dammit.”

Then before the tears are dry, you tell the American people you wish to nationalize all communications media and the oil industry.

The conservatives who fall for it — what are they gonna do, impeach you? Pffft.

And your own leftist base will drink the socialist plan right up.

It’s a win-win!

jeff_from_mpls on July 11, 2008 at 7:22 PM

This is the weirdest race ever. Obama’s Debating himself and losing, and McCain can’t gain any ground because he keeps bringing up the wrong topics at the worst time possible,then takes trips to Latino countries.

Tazz 55 on July 11, 2008 at 7:22 PM

These aren’t the poll numbers I knew.

profitsbeard on July 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM

JetBoy on July 11, 2008 at 7:19 PM

That’s because most of them are delusional.

Troy Rasmussen on July 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Any real conservative would be waxing the floor with this guy.

Yeah he would. The sad part is that a lot of liberals break with the Democrats and agree with the conservative positions on immigration and global warming. But McCain doesn’t give them a reason to change their vote!

kc8ukw on July 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM

amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 7:20 PM

That’s the problem, I know.

I think both parties are scraping the bottom of the presidential barrel right now. It’s gonna be a sad future if we don’t start seeing actually worthy candidates rise to the top soon.

lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM

That’s because most of them are delusional.

Troy Rasmussen on July 11, 2008 at 7:23 PM

You got that right.

Now…if only the “real conservatives” around these parts would drop their delusions of John McCain…

:-)

JetBoy on July 11, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Just as I’ve been saying for a while now…*pats self on back*…Obama will continue to drop in the polls while McCain’s numbers go up.

He’ll win in November by a nice, comfortable margin. I have no doubt.

JetBoy on July 11, 2008 at 7:18 PM

McCainiacs like you probably shouldn’t get overconfident, Obama may well just be waiting to smack McCain with his giant wallet and overrun him with his army of starry eyed cultists volunteers. And McCain could yet say or do something stupid to make conservatives or one of the independent demographics walk away en masse. Not to mention the media hasn’t entered full on propaganda mode yet.

doubleplusundead on July 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM

doubleplusundead on July 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM

You got it exactly right.

Media is being hard on Obama now, so they can go soft on him later and say “hey, we were tough on obama before, it’s just mccain’s turn”

It happens every cycle.

McCain is gonna get slaughtered. He’s doing nothing to bring anyone to his table. Nothing.

lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 7:31 PM

At this rate, Hillary’s going to be looking like a breath of fresh air to a lot of the superdelegates at the convention. This is a real danger, since Hillary would flatten McCain in the general election just on her unquenchable thirst for power. (The only things McCain seems to have an unquenchable thirst for are (a) unlimited illegal immigration, and (b) a nap.)

On the other hand, McCain makes Obama look like a feckless naif by comparison.

Cicero43 on July 11, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Obama’s costs exceeded donations in June though he hasn’t released the donations amount yet. His Website is getting fewer visits. JohnMcCain.com gets as many hits as the drooping Daily Kos now. The left, both Obaman & Hillarian, is angry at Obama for his spastic lurching to the center. The Pumas are seeking to get at least 100 busloads of people to come to Denver. Some just today say that the DNC is telling phone callers that HRC will be on the ballot without preconditions – the Pumas had been enraged because of negotiations to keep her off the ballot, and the “Denver Group” ran a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune on the subject. HRC has not released her delegates. She has only suspended her campaign.

Each candidate’s supporters sees that the other candidate is up to funny business! And Obama supporters in particular have to worry about their own candidate’s funny business!

~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ All the way to Denver!

So basically, all Dem activists everywhere MUST converge on Denver in order to protect their myriad interests and be ready for action in case HRC, Obama, or anybody else makes a false move. Dem activists, start making arrangements now! Won’t you please all go to Denver, no one else can take your place.

ForNow on July 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM

McCain is gonna get slaughtered. He’s doing nothing to bring anyone to his table. Nothing.

lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 7:31 PM

He’s not Obama. That’s something.

phronesis on July 11, 2008 at 7:37 PM

This is why Obama’s handlers are restricting access to him.

This is why he won’t debate McCain.

He is a zephyr. A diapheous zephyr.

The worst thing that can happen to Obama is for America to see who he really is.

Sweetie.

drjohn on July 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM

I know. All I’m saying is that any Republican would have an unbelievable uphill battle this year. It’s not something restricted to a less-than-perfect candidate.

As much as I’d like to think there would be a Republican (that actually exists) who’d wipe the floor with Obama this year, I’m not convinced there is.

amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Republican, No. Conservative, yes.

McShame (and any other generic “R” candidate) can’t go after Husein on much of anything because McShame and the Republican party agree with Husein on most of the really jerky issues.

A real conservative would have been talking about illeagal aliens – thereby wiping Husein away with his idiotic “Americans need to be bilingual … just because” statement, but McShame and the R’s can’t because most of them are just mad they didn’t think of trying to force Americans to learn Spanish, too.

This Presidential race is like the heavyweight boxing finals at the special olympics.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Like a stone. The man is falling like a stone.

Terrye on July 11, 2008 at 7:46 PM

People!

Spend as much time as you can on your local newspaper electronic forums.

Argue politely and utilize links to facts.

Efforts to disabuse the ignorant will work. Not on everyone, but it will be effective.

drjohn on July 11, 2008 at 7:48 PM

A real conservative would have fundraising issues, polling issues, and media coverage issues, too. Anyone with an “R” after their name has an uphill battle this year, especially with the media swooning over Obama.

amerpundit on July 11, 2008 at 7:12 PM

True, perhaps, but on the other hand, for all the incompetence of his campaign, McCain is doing astonishingly well.

drjohn on July 11, 2008 at 7:49 PM

McCain is gonna get slaughtered. He’s doing nothing to bring anyone to his table. Nothing.

lorien1973 on July 11, 2008 at 7:31 PM

I still say, it’ll be Obama who gets slaughtered. And again, it’s not that McCain isn’t bringing anyone to his table, it’s that some refuse to sit with him at his table.

Big difference.

McCainiacs like you probably shouldn’t get overconfident, Obama may well just be waiting to smack McCain with his giant wallet and overrun him with his army of starry eyed cultists volunteers. And McCain could yet say or do something stupid to make conservatives or one of the independent demographics walk away en masse. Not to mention the media hasn’t entered full on propaganda mode yet.

doubleplusundead on July 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Oh, I’ve been overconfidnt for a long time. Wait til November, you’ll see. And true…the media hasn’t yet begun their propoganda, and also, the mud hasn’t started to fly between the candidates…yet. But it will, it always does.

JetBoy on July 11, 2008 at 7:50 PM

lorien:

I disagree. In a year when the generic Democrat beats the generic Republican by double digits McCain is holding his own against Obama. No other Republican contender could even get within single digit range of Obama or Clinton. Not even close.

People are tired of ideologues. They want someone who can get something done. Right now Obama is looking like a fool running around in circles. If the Democrats had a winner take all system in their primaries, Hillary would be the nominee and Democrats are beginning to think that might not be such a bad thing.

Terrye on July 11, 2008 at 7:51 PM

A reader points out that the last page of the polling data shows a R/D/I split of 28/35/33, which doesn’t match the raw sample numbers.

So does this mean that Newsweak is still spinning for Obama, and that they know he is polling even worse than they let on?

ParisParamus on July 11, 2008 at 7:52 PM

heh…OT for a sec, but Bohemian Grove starts this weekend. The truthers think McCain and Obama will be there, plotting their NWO takeover.

JetBoy on July 11, 2008 at 7:52 PM

The poll numbers for a Obama are a bit
high,did Time calculate the other non-
existent 8 states?haha.

canopfor on July 11, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Doesn’t matter.

I still think that after November, if Obama wins, I will have to secure the three most valuable possessions I must have handy: a Bible, a passport and a gun. The Obama Army will be ready to eat all of us out of our house and homes, knowing the cult-like fanaticism within their ranks.

newton on July 11, 2008 at 7:55 PM

heh…OT
JetBoy on July 10,2008 at 7:52PM.

JetBoy: SSSShhhhhhhhhhh,Alex(the prison planet nutcake)
Jones might hear you,or us! haha:)

canopfor on July 11, 2008 at 7:56 PM

drjohn on July 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM

What is a “zephyr”?

newton on July 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM

progressoverpeace:

Oh please. I am so tired of the never ending whining crying stuff about McShame and McShamnesty and all the rest of it. If Republicans had wanted some one far to the right to win the nomination then they would have voted for someone like that. They did not..so if they can not even win the Republican nomination then what makes you think they can beat Obama? Where are these mythical voters lining up to vote for whoever the mythical conservative is>

This only helps Obama and the man is a liberal Democrat. all these conservatives out there falling all over themselves to help a liberal Democrat win because Juan McAmnesty had the temerity to get more votes than Ron Paul or Tom Tancred or whatever. It is so silly. Like it or not the country is going to the center right now. Conservatives are not a majority. McCain has a 82% conservative rating. Obama’s is something like 9%. Think about that.

And something else. No one would sacrificed as much as McCain did for this country deserves to be treated with such disdain. Even if you don’t vote for him or agree with his politics you don’t need to call him names.

Terrye on July 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Paris Paramus has a point. McCain wins Republicans at about the same margin that Obama wins Democrats, and McCain wins Independents by 7 points. In an evenly balanced sample, with as many Republicans as Democrats, McCain should be ahead overall. So Newsweek “adjusted” the numbers to the sample THEY wanted, so that Obama appears to be still ahead.

But when Obama was up by 15% using a sample heavily skewed toward Democrats, did they “adjust” the numbers in the other direction? Don’t think so…

Steve Z on July 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM

That should be no one who has sacrificed as much as McCain. My fingers move faster than my poor addled little brain.

Terrye on July 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM

A “zephyr” is a weak wind out of the west, which describes Obama very well for anyone east of Chicago. Diapheous–not so sure–does than mean he wears diapers?

Steve Z on July 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM

progressoverpeace:

Oh please. I am so tired of the never ending whining crying stuff about McShame and McShamnesty and all the rest of it. If Republicans had wanted some one far to the right to win the nomination then they would have voted for someone like that. They did not..so if they can not even win the Republican nomination then what makes you think they can beat Obama? Where are these mythical voters lining up to vote for whoever the mythical conservative is?

The primaries are different from the general election. Were the Republican primaries totally screwed up, yielding someone that very few conservatives OR Republicans really like? Yes. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that McShame is unable to go after Obama on so many issues because McShame agrees with him. That’s just a fact. You must love what McShame did with La Raza the other day. Great stuff.

This only helps Obama and the man is a liberal Democrat. all these conservatives out there falling all over themselves to help a liberal Democrat win because Juan McAmnesty had the temerity to get more votes than Ron Paul or Tom Tancred or whatever.

If McShame had had any sense of decency he would have dropped out of the primaries when his POS amnesty bill went down in flames. But, McShame has no shame.

It is so silly. Like it or not the country is going to the center right now. Conservatives are not a majority. McCain has a 82% conservative rating. Obama’s is something like 9%. Think about that.

McShame is not center right. Not in my book. And his desire to destroy the Republic by legalizing every illegal alien he can get to crawl over the border is not very encouraging. He can be 100000% conservative, but his amnesty position will destroy the US and McShame is too dumb to understand that.

And something else. No one would sacrificed as much as McCain did for this country deserves to be treated with such disdain.

Everyone respects his sacrifice, but that doesn’t entitle him to take the Presidency and destroy the country, which amnesty will do.

Even if you don’t vote for him or agree with his politics you don’t need to call him names.

Terrye on July 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM

He called me names (’nativist’, ‘bigot’, …) first. If McShame wants civilized debate then he should try taking part in civilized debate. Instead, he tries to sneak a bill by, without debate, and then calls us names when we find out about his sneaky and stupid action. You do admit that the way McShame tried to shove the amnesty bill down our throats was sneaky and then stupid, right?

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Yay.

Barocky in January: ” I’m just a bill… and I’m sittin’ here on Capitol Hill…”

silverfox on July 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Obama did not drop like a rock. Newsweek’s poll having him ahead by 15 was obviously ridiculous and clearly flagged Newsweek’s polls as one of those to be dismissed.

Gallup, which doesn’t jump around like a flea, has Obama up by 6, up from 2 ahead several days ago.

MB4 on July 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Abandon ship.

Rather, abandon bus.

jgapinoy on July 11, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Gallup tracking

MB4 on July 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Obama may well just be waiting to smack McCain with his giant wallet

doubleplusundead on July 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Giant wallet is shrinking fast. Obama and McCain are about at parity now in fundraising. Obama’s rumored June total is $30 mil and McCain’s is $22 mil but Obama has $10 mil more per month in overhead than McCain. And the RNC is cleaning the DNC’s clock.

What Happened to Obama’s $100 Million June?

Missy on July 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM

I wish someone would start polling: “If Hillary Clinton were the nominee, instaed of Obama, would you vote for her or McCain?” Just to stir the pot.

Wethal on July 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM

It looks like all that flipping and flopping and throwing his own people under the bus is finally starting to catch up with B.O.

I would seriously hate to be his public relations specialist right about now.

pilamaye on July 11, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Gallup, which doesn’t jump around like a flea, has Obama up by 6, up from 2 ahead several days ago.

It’s true Gallup doesn’t jump around. Gallup has Obama hovering between a 2 point lead and a 6 point lead, but mostly around 3-4, for weeks now. With all the money and all the help the media’s been giving him, Obama still hasn’t opened up a significant lead over McCain.

Missy on July 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Newsweek Poll: Obama drops like a rock.

If he had dropped a couple of rocks, I would have suggested looking closely at Jackson.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM

This man peaked way too soon. Good thing for the GOP.
I am so sick of his cadence and stupid speeches that I can not force myself to listen any more.

carbon_footprint on July 11, 2008 at 8:31 PM

As I’ve been saying for some time, this is McCain’s election to lose. Charisma, hope, and change will only get you so far. Obama’s fighting an insane experience deficit.

Seixon on July 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Obama’s in much bigger trouble than I first thought.

I don’t know ’bout you, Ed, but I can so live with that.

Bob's Kid on July 11, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Seixon on July 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Don’t forget audacity. Or did that get thrown under the bus along with Rev. Wright?

phronesis on July 11, 2008 at 8:34 PM

The ‘flop’=VA,OH,IN

The ‘turn’=MI

The ‘river’=CO

McCain needs four of those five or it’s over.

(this is by giving PA to Barry and FL to McCain)

From yesterday’s poll in North Dakota, and Missouri traditionally flopping around like a fish, the Newsweek numbers aren’t getting me too excited……..yet.

Limerick on July 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Like ignoring the success of the surge, ignoring Obama’s lack of experience, knowledge and down-right stupidity still makes him the darling of the MSM, the Messiah, the Saviour.

When you are so heavily invested in losing, skewing the polls can be a practical public policy.

Kini on July 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM

As I’ve been saying for some time, this is McCain’s election to lose. Charisma, hope, and change will only get you so far. Obama’s fighting an insane experience deficit.

Seixon on July 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Obama also didn’t have a long history with the party, which would have given him political allies in many states and favors to call in. His fundraising didn’t have a solid group of large bundlers, and his campaign staff moved from state to state with each primary, despite Howie’s 50-state drive. His netroots only gave money and time when he gave them a thrill up their legs with his lefty rhetoric.

I keep thinking of a young tree with shallow roots that starts dying when a drought hits or starts to fall over in a heavy wind.

Wethal on July 11, 2008 at 8:39 PM

The American voting public is getting to know Obama better — and that’s very bad news for him.

AZCoyote on July 11, 2008 at 7:12 PM

That’s how liberal Dems usually fail in elections…they hide their true beliefs and try to act all folksy and populist…until the American people see them for the Trojan horses they truly are.

MB007 on July 11, 2008 at 8:41 PM

This man peaked way too soon. Good thing for the GOP.

carbon_footprint on July 11, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Not if the dems decide they still have enough time to draft a well-rested Hillary.

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2008 at 8:42 PM

The DNC still hasn’t confirmed the messiah as the democrat candidate for Prez. I would not be surprised if a reversal of fortunes happen at the convention. The Clintons still have sharp knives.

Kini on July 11, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Not if the dems decide they still have enough time to draft a well-rested Hillary.

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Please, please, oh, please Dems, don’t switch to Hillary! Don’t throw me in the briar patch, Brer’ Fox!

Richardson would get his excitement in Denver. Imagine Obama’s black supporters and nutroots battling it out with Hillary’s Valkyries and union guys.

Wethal on July 11, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Not if the dems decide they still have enough time to draft a well-rested Hillary.

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2008 at 8:42 PM

dun…dunnnn….DUNNNNNN

*cue Gene Wilder*

ITT’SSS ALIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!!

MB007 on July 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM

ITT’SSS ALIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!!

MB007 on July 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM

Admit it, you missed her :)

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2008 at 8:52 PM

Admit it, you missed her :)

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2008 at 8:52 PM

You can bet she won’t be seated with either Michael Moore or Jimmah Carter (`-’)

Kini on July 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM

If he had dropped a couple of rocks, I would have suggested looking closely at Jackson.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Don’t look at me. Those rocks don’t fit so you must acquit.
- The Reverend Jessie Jackson

MB4 on July 11, 2008 at 9:13 PM

On the one hand, all McCain has to do is keep Obama talking, keep him trying to take the initiative. Obama’s first move into new territory is to put his foot in his mouth. His first move after entering that territory is to put the other foot in his mouth, from below if necessary.

But on the other hand, this is much too soon. It leaves open the possibility of a rebound as people get used to it. Come October, they’ll be saying “Oh, that’s just Obama. You get used to it,” and then they’ll be voting for him, even as the polls have him at nine percent below zero.

njcommuter on July 11, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Are you kidding? If they switch to Hillary black voters stay home in droves and it’s all over. She may have been able to beat McCain if she’d been the nominee from the get go but there is no chance she could beat him now.

Not that I wouldn’t relish seeing the Dem party explode.

Missy on July 11, 2008 at 9:16 PM

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Since there is a doctor in the house this reminds me of the way medical people take off bandage tape. They just rip it off quick rather than sloooooowly. That’s what Obama is doing with his position modifications/changes.

MB4 on July 11, 2008 at 9:17 PM

Admit it, you missed her :)

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2008 at 8:52 PM

I have missed her, I admit it!

Missy on July 11, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Last month, Newsweek’s poll surprised many by showing a huge gap between Barack Obama and John McCain, with the Democratic nominee-apparent enjoying a 15-point lead over the Republican. One month later, Obama has lost all of the momentum and has dropped into a virtual tie with McCain. The latest Newsweek poll shows Obama up 44-41, within the margin of error

And if Allah had posted this, he would have added: “Exit Question: will Obama win Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida by 15% or 20%?”

Where is AP, anyway? Are the Mets holding “Free Beer for Bloggers” days at Shea?

fiatboomer on July 11, 2008 at 9:20 PM

And if Allah had posted this, he would have added: “Exit Question: will Obama win Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida by 15% or 20%?”

Where is AP, anyway? Are the Mets holding “Free Beer for Bloggers” days at Shea?

fiatboomer on July 11, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Maybe he spent the entire week camping out in front of an apple store.

phronesis on July 11, 2008 at 9:24 PM

If this is another worthless poll of “Registered voters” or “voters who self-identify as R/D/I”, the real numbers are much worse for Obama.

The only polls worth the paper they are written on are the polls of likely voters, and these polls almost always show Republicans in better shape. None of the other poll types have correlated well with actual election results in the last several election cycles.

landlines on July 11, 2008 at 9:38 PM

then Obama’s in much bigger trouble than I first thought.

yessuh, he is.

I love the smell of 1972 or 1984 in the morning……..

Janos Hunyadi on July 11, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Considering the ratio of Obama’s campaign spending to McCain’s spending, the fact that the two candidates are nearly even must have some heads spinning 360 at the DNC.

crosspatch on July 11, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Please let McCain have a 5 point lead when Denver arrives. Please, god, if you’re up there. Let this happen!

SouthernGent on July 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Have a look at RealClearPolitics’s chart of the RCP average.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls

Ed?

Kralizec on July 11, 2008 at 10:43 PM

It’s all Obama screwing up — it’s nothing McCain is doing because HE ISN’T DOING ANYTHING! HELLO… ANYONE HOME AT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN??? Get out there and start swinging for the fences for crying out loud…

D2Boston on July 11, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Like it or not the country is going to the center right now. Conservatives are not a majority.
Terrye on July 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM

That confirms it.. you are a jackass shill for fake Republicans.

A shill for Juan McShamesty.. an elitist of the highest order.
A conceited, “better-than-you” prick.

You have no concept of the conservative principles that found this country, NOR DO YOU CARE.

….IT MEANS CONSERVING THE PRINCIPLES THAT FREES PEOPLE TO BE THEMSELVES AND NOT RELY ON THE GOVERNMENT!!

You are a jackass (that means means you have a huge smelly UNWIPED ass that everybody notices) of gigantic proportions, nothing matters to you except you’re conceited notions.

You are the problem not the solution.
You are a jackass.
You are always passing gas in exchange for real workable free enterprise ideas.
You are a douche bag devoid of any real substance.

You are the enemy.

Mcguyver on July 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Please let McCain have a 5 point lead when Denver arrives. Please, god, if you’re up there. Let this happen! SouthernGent on July 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM

We need to make sure we’re on God’s side, not the other way around.

BHO’s drop in the poles merely confirms what we at HA have known for months; that Obama’s an empty suit and we will grow tired of him quickly. Identity politics works both ways, you’re in then you’re out.

Mojave Mark on July 11, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Garbage in, garbage out. The only reason they published this was to try to make their poll cooking less obvious.

TheBigOldDog on July 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM

As I’ve been saying for some time, this is McCain’s election to lose. Charisma, hope, and change will only get you so far. Obama’s fighting an insane experience deficit.

Seixon on July 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM

And ultimately that’s exactly what it comes down to.

Americans may be overly partisan at times, and some of us like to act stupid.

But in the end, most of the electorate are not hard-core partisans; most are left- or right-leaning voters, or moderates, or independents … who will choose not based on an R or a D, but based on who they think can do the job.

And based on the criterion alone, there is no contest here at all. McCain has the experience; Obama isn’t in the same league. He’s the most inexperienced candidate in modern history.

Professor Blather on July 11, 2008 at 11:37 PM

It’s all Obama screwing up — it’s nothing McCain is doing because HE ISN’T DOING ANYTHING! HELLO… ANYONE HOME AT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN??? Get out there and start swinging for the fences for crying out loud…

What, and distract the voters from the sight of Obama running himself over with the bus? Let McCain just goad Obama into saying one stupid thing after another. It’s good judo.

njcommuter on July 11, 2008 at 11:42 PM

“Juan McShamnesty”, “McShame”, and “huge smelly UNWIPED asses”.

Oh, this is Democratic Underground? I’m sorry–I thought I was at Hotair. My mistake.

juliesa on July 11, 2008 at 11:53 PM

Well I have my own gauge for this election, and us Israelis are very crafty so don’t knock it till you try it..

It is called the ‘Maddow factor’, and the sole element is watching the buffoon female version of Olberman at MSNBC.

When she gets excited, giddy almost I know that Obama is not going anywhere, its just hype, then when she gets defensive I know Obama is in BIG trouble. For instance, the other day when he flipped finally on Iraq everyone on the planet was saying so, she was embarrassingly defending him, including going against an entire panel for 15 minutes, it was ahem – embarrassing. Seeing her flop around like a fish with no air out of water told me what I need to know more than any poll.. Obama was in serious trouble, and maddow was in serious denial. Ding, thank you handy gauge!

After Newsweek’s poll put him up 15 points, she was crowing, justifying, almost elated so I knew it meant Obama had near zero bounce, whatever maddow says or how she behaves, draw a direct opposite line & you are in GOOD shape. The harder she defends one of his positions, the worse it means that position is for Obama’s chances, this is nearly fool proof so far. I need to go get video and see how she is reacting now to numbers, throw in wolffe from newsweek who nods his head to whatever she says because he is either a eunuch or an alien and you have substantive sampling backup to this gauge.

The harder they spin their wheels, the more trouble Obama is in. I have never seen this woman maddow before, but she is the best political ‘tool’ as AP would say – ‘evah!’

The best part is I don’t even need to watch the segments, within 30 or 40 seconds I get the gauge, like a thermometer – then I can hastily flee to saner places. It’s like radiation, quick exposure hits and you are ok, I do this in the name of Science and like Arafat I am expecting a big award, they will remember me with the greats like the chick who invented penicillin (I can’t remember her name).

saus on July 12, 2008 at 12:26 AM

McCain is doing the smart thing,

he is not pointing out these obvious and numerous gaffes because as soon as he does, obama and the media can turn it on him.

Let obama stew in his own pot.

Sonosam on July 12, 2008 at 1:37 AM

A painful campaign with a couple of C+ candidates. It’s going to be ugly and only get uglier.

And the mud has not even begun to fly. All polls are a complete wank until then.

Next.

PS – Do yahoos actually believe God gives a sh** about the American presidential election? Really? What about Satan? Nobody talks about him, yet he surely exists and would have an opinion. Does Satan want Hussein Osama or McCain to win? And what exactly is Satan doing to make his wish come true?

Dave Rywall on July 12, 2008 at 1:57 AM

A painful campaign with a couple of C+ candidates. It’s going to be ugly and only get uglier.

Somebody’s grading on a curve…

I believe this election has helped me understand what my parents must have gone through in ‘76, except unlike them, I can’t write in for Ronnie…

As for the polls, I’ll go with the current Rasmussen spread, Obama 47-45, a two point margin (statistical dead heat) as it’s the one with the largest sample (3000) and uses likely voters rather than simply registered voters as the Newsweak or Gallup polls used.

SuperCool on July 12, 2008 at 4:40 AM

It would be even more interesting if “plausible” third party candidates were entered into the polling data as well, don’t you think?

{^_^}

herself on July 12, 2008 at 5:19 AM

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