Which Obama will we see — hard Left or nouveau Right? Update: FISA reform passes

posted at 2:15 pm on July 9, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama reiterated his support for the FISA compromise, set for a vote today in the Senate after its passage in the House before the Independence Day break.  Obama pledged to split telecom immunity from the bill, which would have basically trashed the compromise and thrown the entire effort back to square 1:

The Senate is finally expected to wrap up the bill updating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act today, which includes the controversial provision of retroactive immunity for telecom companies facing lawsuit. While the bill splits Democrats, it’s expected to pass with united Republican support.

Obama will be back for today’s vote and has said he’ll support final passage.

Two amendments attempted to do just that.  The first, sponsored by Arlen Specter, got defeated 61-37, with Obama voting in support.  The second, sponsored by Jeff Bingaman and Russ Feingold, also went down to defeat on a 56-42 vote, again with Obama supporting.  The latter would have removed telecom immunity entirely, while Specter’s amendment would have forced immunity to wait on a ruling on the constitutionality and legality the NSA’s surveillance programs.

The question now becomes whether Obama will keep his word — or, rather, which word he’ll keep.  He promised at one time to filibuster any bill that contained telecom immunity.  Now he pledged to support the bill, even with telecom immunity.  As John Stephenson notes, his base is ready to explode if he votes Yea on the final bill.

As these votes show, however, the case against telecom immunity has failed to win a majority of the Senate or the House.  We can expect a fairly easy passage of the final FISA bill, allowing the NSA to get back to business and the trial lawyers to look for another target.  I’ll update this as the news proceeds.

Update, 2:29 pm ET: Obama just voted to approve a procedural motion that will bring HR 6304 up for a vote.  Boxer and Durbin voted no on the motion; Obama appears ready to break hearts across the Left.

Update, 2:36: Kristen Breitweiser at HuffPo is keeping a candle burning for Hillary over this.   Unfortunately, Hillaryvoted for the procedural motion as well. Looks like she plans to support the FISA compromise, although like Obama she voted for both failed amendments.

Update, 2:39: Clinton changed her vote to No.  Profiles in Courage, or did she read the HuffPo article?

Update, 2:45: That was a cloture motion that Obama supported.  No filibuster for the netroots!  Cloture passed 72-26; the actual vote comes next.  Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) opened up final debate with a speech in support of the FISA reform.

2:56: Obama votes yes; Clinton votes no.  However, voting is still open …

3:04 – Feinstein’s support for the FISA reform shouldn’t surprise too many people.  She’s a moderate on nat’l-security matters.  Kerry and Boxer, unfortunately, didn’t surprise anyone with their no votes.

3:06 – Bill passes with a 69-28 vote.  Did Hillary set herself up for a netroots push at the convention?


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Ah, but what will Hillary do? Will she vote against it? If they do it alphabetically, Illinois has to vote before New York.

Wethal on July 9, 2008 at 2:20 PM

his base is ready to explode if he votes Yea on the final bill.

Blue on blue. Whoo hoo!

Sit back. Pop some popcorn. Crack open your favorite frosty beverage and watch the hilarity/hysteria/etc. ensue. Good times. Good times.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 9, 2008 at 2:20 PM

What’s that cross doing over Barry’s left shoulder?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 9, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Cspan link, anyone?

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM

I always expect Obama the naif.

Whatever he does, he’ll reverse his position tomorrow, and tell us that he’s never changed his position, and that we just weren’t listening.

He’s got it down to boilerplate now.

NeighborhoodCatLady on July 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Huffpo and Kos are outraged at Obama and promise to hit him for this.

There is the August 8th “Money bomb” for dems who voted against it and others are urging that instead of giving money to Obama they send it to Russ Feingold.

William Amos on July 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

I just find it amusing that we need to take a vote on whether we should protect our country from terrorists by any and all means possible.

Paint it any color you want, that’s what their voting on.

Republicans solidly behind it, Democrats as usual are wishy-washy. But don’t call them unpatriotic. Uh-uh.

fogw on July 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

I think at this point he is just flipping a coin when it comes to picking a side on an issue.

HawaiiLwyr on July 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM

What’s that cross doing over Barry’s left shoulder?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 9, 2008 at 2:23 PM

That’s not a cross that’s an upside down cross!!! OMG he is the devil!!

carbon_footprint on July 9, 2008 at 2:30 PM

…hard Left or nouveau Right?

I can’t quite grab a phrase: Daily Drift? Emphatic Whatever? Always What YOU Want To Hear?…

eeyore on July 9, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Ah, but what will Hillary do? Will she vote against it? If they do it alphabetically, Illinois has to vote before New York.

Wethal on July 9, 2008 at 2:20 PM

If I remember correctly, the first day she returned to the Senate(after her “suspension” speech) was the day of the first vote on FISA, or on cloture. She was there, photographed in a blue pants suit waving from the capitol steps, but I don’t believe she voted. That is OK in New York where Hillary insists she is from.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 2:31 PM

You say his base is ready to explode, but in reality I think that most people could care less about this. Of course the hard left bloggers are worked up, but they are what…. 20% of his “base”? Maybe?

DaveS on July 9, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Obama is gonna kill Gore for inventing the internet.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Can a Senator vote “present”?

yo on July 9, 2008 at 2:32 PM

And the Left still thinks George Bush is a moron! He completely undressed them in this bill, and set a nice trap for Obama in the process.

rockmom on July 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Which Obama will we see — hard Left or nouveau Right?

Why both of coarse!

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 2:36 PM

I agree. The whole reason the Democrats do not want immunity for the telecoms is for the dual purpose of serving their trial lawyer constituents and to keep this as a issue to attack the Republicans with.

Wildcatter1980 on July 9, 2008 at 2:37 PM

DaveS on July 9, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Obama cannot afford to lose one vote. Too many others despise/fear him, and he has alienated several of the traditional democrat constituencies.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Which Obama will we see — hard Left or nouveau Right?

None of the above, when he’s stuttering???

byteshredder on July 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM

And the Left still thinks George Bush is a moron! He completely undressed them in this bill, and set a nice trap for Obama in the process.

rockmom on July 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM

My thought exactly (except for the undressing part)…a perfect trap, and Obama must vote, unless some emergency comes up…
I imagine McCain’s marketing people are watching this one…right along with DKos.

right2bright on July 9, 2008 at 2:40 PM

No I didn’t meant McCain and Dkos are together, but watching from with the same interest from different points of views…but both ready to attack. That is one or the other will attack.

right2bright on July 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM

I expect that in the coming days Maliki will endorse Obama as they seem to be pretty copacetic on timetables.

I wonder what Juan McBernie thinks about Maliki going all Obama on him

Well, if that scenario evolves than I think it’s obvious that we would have to leave because — if it was an elected government of Iraq, and we’ve been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I don’t see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.
- Juan McBernie (blast from the past)

MB4 on July 9, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Obama doesn’t have the cajones to upset his base. He knows the right is getting more and more disgusted with him daily.

He’ll turn tail and run back to Move-on, Kos and Code Pink screaming “MOMMY!”

cntrlfrk on July 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM

McCain angers 50,000,000 SS recipients and Obama casts a vote that only a few wankers care about this week…

Advantage McCain?

Sure…

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM

MB4 on July 9, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Maliki’s government isn’t talking about immediate withdrawal of most troops. The spokesman said, “three, four or five” years. That would place it anywhere between 2011 and 2013. That’s plenty of time to finish what needs to get done.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Looks like Obama might have to take Hillary as VP

William Amos on July 9, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Only 98 total votes in the Senate. Is McCain there?

Steve Z on July 9, 2008 at 2:54 PM

not refreshing again.

upinak on July 9, 2008 at 2:54 PM

McCain angers 50,000,000 SS recipients and Obama casts a vote that only a few wankers care about this week…

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Nice spin, but FAIL. A chunk of Obama’s money comes from the “wankers” on the internet who are now thoroughly pissed at him for changing course. With him only raising a half-million more than McCain last month and the DNC far behind the RNC, he can’t really afford to piss-off the “wonks”.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Update, 2:45: That was a cloture motion that Obama supported. No filibuster for the netroots!

Oooohhhh yeah. I’m ice down my beverages now. This is gonna be goooooood.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 9, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Obama yes….Biden no.

I thought Joe was Barry’s man.

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 2:57 PM

I think at this point he is just flipping a coin when it comes to picking a side on an issue.

HawaiiLwyr

No, no, no…..he is simply dancing a “little side step”!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mNDHTfdn1A

LL

Lady Logician on July 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Greasy Joe dropped from Veep list.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM

I think at this point he is just flipping flip flopping a coin when it comes to picking a side on an issue.

HawaiiLwyr on July 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Fixed it fer ya.

Akzed on July 9, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Another weird….Boxer no/Feinstein yes

Kerry…..no

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Maliki’s government isn’t talking about immediate withdrawal of most troops. The spokesman said, “three, four or five” years. That would place it anywhere between 2011 and 2013. That’s plenty of time to finish what needs to get done.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 2:52 PM

No one said that he was talking about immediate withdrawal. He, like Obama, is clearly talking about “timetables”. Both Bush and McBernie have said that they wanted no timetables. Pretty clear.

MB4 on July 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM

2:56: Obama votes yes; Clinton votes no. However, voting is still open …

Will he pull a Brownback?

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Sure, Ameri.

The Kos Kids are gonna start sending money to McCain now?

When is it gonna occur to the right that they’ve debased their principles by backing McCain…and he’s has no chance of winning anyway?

Talk about a FAIL…

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:04 PM

This is great.

Obama must move right.

Clinton moves to the left.

Pass the popcorn and wait for Denver.

faraway on July 9, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Obama doesn’t have the cajones to upset his base.

cntrlfrk on July 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM

How does the foot taste?

Obama finally makes a right (no pun intended) decision.

Many will see this as cause to celebrate him pissing off the netroots; for me, it’s reason to have hope for America post inauguration should Obama win.

12thman on July 9, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Passed!

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:06 PM

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:04 PM

At least we know what McCain is. You’re man keeps stabbing you in the back and twisting it every chances he gets now that he doesn’t need you anymore. How does it feel to be so easily betrayed by your Messiah?

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Hillary YES SHE CAN !

William Amos on July 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM

No one said that he was talking about immediate withdrawal. He, like Obama, is clearly talking about “timetables”. Both Bush and McBernie have said that they wanted no timetables. Pretty clear.

MB4 on July 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM

And the spokesman for Iraq also said this:

Ali al-Dabbagh said any timetable would depend on “conditions and the circumstances that the country would be undergoing.” But he said a pullout within “three, four or five” years was possible.

Democrats wanted a timetable when we were losing that didn’t depend on ground conditions. The new timetable you refer to is: A) Based on conditions on the ground, B) Proposed by the duly-elected Iraqi government — not a pathetic Congress, C) After we’ve completed the job and all benchmarks.

As you yourself quoted, McCain considered a timetable by an American Congress and a timetable by the Iraqi government to be two different things.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Many will see this as cause to celebrate him pissing off the netroots; for me, it’s reason to have hope for America post inauguration should Obama win.

12thman on July 9, 2008 at 3:06 PM

ROFLMAO! You’re a trusting soul to think so after watching hoe easily he changes his mind and stabs his supporters in the back when he decides he doesn’t need them anymore.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

3:06 – Bill passes with a 69-28 vote. Did Hillary set herself up for a netroots push at the convention?

Maybe she stuck it to him because his call for donations to help her pay off her campaign debt has brought in $100,000 so far. $10,900,000 to go, and that’s not counting the additional $11,000,000 debt she loaned herself and is not asking for help in retiring.

Wethal on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Get your head down below waist level and inhale from a paper bag. Slooow and steady. Barry’s about to put his permanent mark on a position reversal for the whole world to see and discuss. alphie, be loud and be proud! He’s your guy, no matter what he does to you. We all know that.

a capella on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

3:06 – Bill passes with a 69-28 vote. Did Hillary set herself up for a netroots push at the convention?

Wow! But she still loses with everyone else. Just imagine not voting for FISA. Even Obama knew he couldn’t win the election without doing this. Hillary is a madwoman.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

The withdrawl talk is election year (in Iraq) posturing for the nationalists(Maliki). Of course the Iraq people want an eventual end to foreign troops. What nation wouldn’t? Another overblown ‘fact’ twisted into a pretzel by the MSM.

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

If the flip flop attacks were gonna hurt Obama, it would have showed up in the polls by now, TheBigOldDog.

Keep firing blanks, guys.

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

The Kos Kids are gonna start sending money to McCain now?

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:04 PM

They don’t have to send money to McCain. They only have to stop sending their hard-earned money to Obama. Just like a Republican not voting this year is just as damaging to McCain as if he/she went and voted for Obama.

When is it gonna occur to the right that they’ve debased their principles by backing McCain…and he’s has no chance of winning anyway?

He’s currently behind by 2% in Gallup and is in the same area in other non-loaded polls. In 6 of the last 9 elections, the candidate who lead in July lost in November. Don’t be so sure of yourself.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

OBAMA FOR SPYING ON ORDINARY CITIZENS!!!!!!

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

If the flip flop attacks were gonna hurt Obama, it would have showed up in the polls by now, TheBigOldDog.

Keep firing blanks, guys.

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

LOL…6 points? Keep your seat alphie, the movie ain’t over yet.

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

It’s already starting.

“This fight is not over.” ACLU will challenge FISA update in court

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

If the flip flop attacks were gonna hurt Obama, it would have showed up in the polls by now, TheBigOldDog.

Keep firing blanks, guys.

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

ROFLMAO! Are you new to politics?

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

If the flip flop attacks were gonna hurt Obama, it would have showed up in the polls by now, TheBigOldDog.

Keep firing blanks, guys.

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

It HAS shoe\wed up in the polls. Obama has been stuck for over a month at the same level in the polls. He should be going higher not staying even.

William Amos on July 9, 2008 at 3:13 PM

hmm, if Paul would declare to run for general now he might pull more leftard vote than McCain votes.

as for the actual Constitutionality of it, if anything FISA itself is unconstitutional the POTUS has the power to do this regardless.
http://www.fed-soc.org/debates/dbtid.13/default.asp

jp on July 9, 2008 at 3:14 PM

At least we know what McCain is.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM

You want to know what McCain is? Huh? Huh? You don’t, I do, everyone does… he’s the son of a thousand fathers, all bastards like him.

Tuco on July 9, 2008 at 3:14 PM

I always get amused by alphie’s comments. He must get the same tingle up his leg that Chris Mathews gets when he gazes upon America’s answer to Il Duce.

On second thought that is an insult to Benito. Obama is more akin to the Caudillo of Caracas.

jerryofva on July 9, 2008 at 3:15 PM

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Oh. You mean like the fact that he’s fallen several points by Gallup’s measure in the past few days? Like I said in my previous comment, he’s only up by 2% now.

Or maybe the fact that McCain is now up by 5 in Missouri, a swing state. Or the fact Obama is down several points by Rasmussen, leading by just 4.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

It’s July. Obama’s chadow boxing and he loosing – LOL! Wait until the first round starts.

Tuco on July 9, 2008 at 3:14 PM

It’s too early in the day to be drunk blogging.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

It’s too early in the day to be drunk blogging.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

He is just quoting himself.

F15Mech on July 9, 2008 at 3:18 PM

It’s too early in the day to be drunk blogging.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

LOL!

carbon_footprint on July 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

What kind of numbers, and showing up where, would constitute Obama entering some kind of free-fall?

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM

And Bush wins another one!

Skywise on July 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM

They don’t have to send money to McCain. They only have to stop sending their hard-earned money to Obama. Just like a Republican not voting this year is just as damaging to McCain as if he/she went and voted for Obama.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM

They could send it to Hillary. They have an alternative. I wonder how the superdelegates feel about now.

a capella on July 9, 2008 at 3:20 PM

3:06 – Bill passes with a 69-28 vote. Did Hillary set herself up for a netroots push at the convention?

Oh Yea, Freddie lives!

Speakup on July 9, 2008 at 3:22 PM

What kind of numbers, and showing up where, would constitute Obama entering some kind of free-fall?

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM

I don’t think we’ll see a free-fall. But a young Democratic nominee who’s generated this much excitement in this bad a year for the GOP, shouldn’t be leading by 2%.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:22 PM

It’s too early in the day to be drunk blogging.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

I am assuming you got hit by a drunk-n-blogging incident!

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Freefall would be put into words or verbage that shows he is actually sky diving.

upinak on July 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM

It’s too early in the day to be drunk blogging.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Theres always Coors N Crispies

Speakup on July 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM

As you yourself quoted, McCain considered a timetable by an American Congress and a timetable by the Iraqi government to be two different things.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM

So Juan McBernie puts the Islamic Iraqi government above the American people’s representitives in Congress and thus ahead of the American people? Sounds that way.

Besides, Juan McBernie considers amnesty and his McCain/Kennedy “CIR” to be two different things too. Of course there he is puting the plantation owners above the American people on that one. He seems to have developed a habit for that kind of thing.

MB4 on July 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Not a free fall, but fall it is. Look at the National Average graph at RCP. Big surprise to me. I figured Barry would be 10 up by now, then again I’m from Texas so go figure :)

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Any of you brave souls ventured into Nutrootland yet. I’m too chicken to go check.

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Thanks. I ask because I wonder if it could become commonly accepted sometime before November that Obama is going to get crushed. I don’t know whether this has ever happened in past elections and how it all played out.

For example, was Carter’s demise known well in advance?

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:24 PM

I’m hoping we’re seeing the handwriting on the wall.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:27 PM

It’s too early in the day to be drunk blogging.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Then don’t do so much of it.

Tuco on July 9, 2008 at 3:27 PM

The following people oppose the FISA immunity: Dickie Scruggs, Mel Weiss, William Lerach, Christopher J. Dodd (D-Countrywide), Kent Conrad

Larraby on July 9, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Any of you brave souls ventured into Nutrootland yet. I’m too chicken to go check.

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Damn, I’ll go. If I don’t come back, tell my wife I love her.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:28 PM

President Bush, you rock..Sir.

Congratulations for keeping us safe against all odds of Democratic existentialists that would see this nation destroyed just for the ego rub.

Hening on July 9, 2008 at 3:28 PM

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Lim sprinkles Holy Water on the keyboard. Good luck!

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM

2:56: Obama votes yes

Obama sees himself as the next JFK — I think he’s right, he is the next John F. Kerry. Barry, congratulations on your latest flip flop. Waffles jr.

Rick on July 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM

LOL@Larraby

For example, was Carter’s demise known well in advance?

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Noooo. Carter lead Reagan in the polls right up until the weekend before the election. There was a huge movement toward all Republicans at the very end of that campaign, which swept out many liberal stalwarts in the Senate such as Birch Bayh, Frank Church, and George McGovern. Nobody saw that coming.

In 1976, Jimmy Carter led Gerald Ford by 18% on Labor Day. He won by 1.5%.

rockmom on July 9, 2008 at 3:31 PM

So Juan McBernie puts the Islamic Iraqi government above the American people’s representitives in Congress and thus ahead of the American people? Sounds that way.

MB4 on July 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM

He puts the advice of a duly-elected government on the ground in sovereign country we’re occupying above the advice of a Congress only 9% of country thinks represents them and wouldn’t know what the conditions are like on the ground if it hit them in the face.

Congress was saying retreat before the job is done. The Iraqi government and military experts said differently. Now that we’ve accomplished 15 of 18 goals and the last province should be handed over next year, it’s reasonable to consider the Iraqi government’s want for a withdrawal within 5 years depending on the ground conditions.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM

HA HA HA HA HA at the nutroots!

WisCon on July 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Keep firing blanks, guys.

alphie on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Umm, I think you’re missing something big here. See, back before Obama was popular, none of the cute boys would even glance in his direction so he had to settle for attention from the low-tier fellas. Not the quarterbacks or even the benchwarmers; more like the boys hiding their pimples behind the furry mascot-suit. This kind of boy is widely known as an alphie male.

Then, Obama caught the eye of the cool kids. Instantly he was surrounded by sports stars, entertainers and good-looking buff hunks – most of them kneeling, all of them drooling. These kinds of guys are called alpha males.

And once you’ve got your pick of the alpha males, the Clearasil-scented alphie males can be safely and quickly discarded. Yuck, didn’t want them in the first place.

Moral of the story:
Barack Obama: He’s just not that into you.

Gilda on July 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Then don’t do so much of it.

Tuco on July 9, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Come back latter when your sober and you’ll be able to think of a better comeback.

Being stabbed in the back by your Messiah is no reason to drink heavily. He’s going to do it so often to you, you’ll wind up in AA.

TheBigOldDog on July 9, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I did. My post @ 3:12 was from DU.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 9, 2008 at 3:34 PM

For example, was Carter’s demise known well in advance?

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Carter was only 3 points behind Reagan in July 1980. Bush lead Clinton by 7 in July 1992.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:35 PM

A sample from DU:

This has nothing to do with terrorism, nor has it ever had anything to do with our safety. It has always been about control and power. The control of message and the power to put down.

Our newspapers, TV news and most of the major news websites are controlled by the right wing.

Now more than ever the term “Democratic Underground” proves poignant. It will be the blogs and the voice of the people that will carry the message forward.

Today, our elected officials failed us; once again. Our freedoms drip away. Our rights are marginalized and treated as after thoughts. We have a nation of people that now fear our government.

I’m truly saddened by todays vote, for the now the future of our nation, to me, is very uncertain.

May whatever gods, faiths or beliefs have mercy on our souls. For we were give a great responsibility by the founding fathers to shepherd this nation via the constitution. And we have failed.

It doesn’t mean that we should sit out the election or vote McCain. It DOES mean that we have our work cut out for us. Obama isn’t a progressive nor did he really ever pretend to be. And, I don’t agree with the analysis that he is ‘gravatiting center’. I think he is center. He basically mirrors the policy of Clinton, and he leans more conservative then her on health care.

So, what is a progressive democrat to do?

He’s the LEADER of our party. It is most certainly NOT all right to sell us out and

give away OUR rights.

Get real.

He’s our party’s presumptive nominee for President and what he does matters.

And I see, as usual with the Obama goon squad, you have to resort to insults in lieu of an argument.

he’s only the junior Senator, afterall…

It’s not an excuse that looks so good, though – it kind of fits right in with the “not experienced” attack the republicans will use against him.

He’s either special and powerful, or he’s just some back-bencher; he can’t be the former when the sun shines and shrug his shoulders and claim to be the latter when things aren’t so rosy.

Some of his supporters seem to think he’s god: responsible for all that is good, but not at fault for anything bad. Whether they like it or not, some of us aren’t going to just nod and yell out affirmations and “amens” to his every ringing pronouncement, and that’s not some proof of our defeatism or treachery. When he makes mistakes, he should be called on it, and we should attempt to influence him on some things. If we just cave in and give away civil rights, secularism, financial fairness and dangerous foreign policy, that’

This truly worries me: he’s gotten away with this kind of thing for SO long that I think he thinks he’s immune to scrutiny. That could lead to a great big unholy mess.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:38 PM

C’mon Hillary . . . plot, scheme, connive, betray . . . do whatever it takes. Don’t let that flip-flopping, wet-behind-the-ears Chicago hack steal your nomination. It’s yours, damnit — now go get it!

AZCoyote on July 9, 2008 at 3:38 PM

rockmom on July 9, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Thanks. These polls then are very bad for Obama. Good.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Gilda on July 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Hahahahahahahahaha.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Thanks Jiangxi and Doc C….

I quit going to their sites. My blood pressure medication was getting too expensive.

Limerick on July 9, 2008 at 3:43 PM

“”I have always said that I’m hard left and nouveau right,” -Hussein.

Akzed on July 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM

He puts the advice of a duly-elected government on the ground in sovereign country we’re occupying above the advice of a Congress only 9% of country thinks represents them and wouldn’t know what the conditions are like on the ground if it hit them in the face.

amerpundit on July 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM

So, as I said, Juan McBernie puts the Iraqi goverment ahead of the American people by puting the Iraqi government ahead of those whom the American people elected to the American congress.

If ever there was a concept of American government that is at war with the principles of America’s founding fathers it is this one.

MB4 on July 9, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Obama’s deer in headlights look is on deck. I’ll bet his Chicago staff’s phone is jumping off the hook.

swami on July 9, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Yes, the polls are not good for Obama. Hence the desperate attempts to draw McCain into a Howard Dean moment by attacking his military service, and the Nuremberg Rally in Denver planned to try to recapture the mojo Obama had in January.

rockmom on July 9, 2008 at 3:47 PM

and the Nuremberg Rally in Denver

LMAO.

JiangxiDad on July 9, 2008 at 3:49 PM

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