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Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey knew who did it.
No one will ever convince me otherwise.
No way anyone could have gotten to that poor child without knowing how to navigate that house.
This case was a text-book example of how not to conduct a criminal investigation. The Ramsey house was a crime scene from the moment the kidnapping was reported, and it should have been treated as a crime scene — meaning the house and yard should have been taped off and as few people as possible allowed to enter. Instead, multiple police officers trampled around the house and grounds in the hours just after the 911 call, and they allowed numerous friends of the Ramseys to do the same. We will never know what evidence might have been recovered from the scene if the police had just done their jobs properly.
The responding officers also failed to search the entire house (which would have led them to the child’s body in the basement wine cellar), and failed to separate the parents and question them apart from one another. Then you have Det. Arndt actually moving the child’s body and placing a cover from the home over the body — actions which severely compromised the probative value of trace evidence found on the body (e.g., did hair and fibers on the child’s clothing come from the killer, or were they simply transferred to the child’s clothing from the blanket, and/or transferred as her body was moved about to different places on the floor?).
As for the handwriting analysis, that is not a science, let alone an exact science. It is more accurately described as a matter of opinion. And opinions, as we all know, are not always correct. In this case, there were multiple handwriting “experts” who examined the ransom note — some of whom concluded that Patsy Ramsey could be excluded as the writer of the ransom note, and some of whom concluded that she could not be excluded.
Does the reference to the $118k amount in the ramson note implicate the Ramseys? If you were a parent who had just killed your child and you were trying to point the finger of blame at a stranger, would you write a ransom note demanding an odd amount of money that you had recently received as a bonus? That seems rather stupid. A more likely scenario is that a disturbed male, possibly one who had seen JonBenet in one or more of her pageants, was watching the Ramsey home. He saw Mr. Ramsey take the dog away, and he saw the Ramseys packing the car full of presents and other items on Christmas morning. The man correctly assumed that the Ramseys would be gone from the home for some time. He entered the home, and spent several hours walking around inside — reading personal letters, looking through Mr. Ramsey’s financial records (which Mr. Ramsey admitted were lying about on his home desk), and familiarizing himself with the layout of the house. The man probably also wrote the ransom note during this time. Did he actually plan to kidnap JonBenet, or was he just indulging his fantasies by writing out some crazy, rambling, make-believe scenario in his mind? We’ll probably never know; I tend to believe it was the latter. He probably never had any actual plan in mind for anything — he just wanted to see where JonBenet lived and touch her clothes and her things.
When the Ramseys returned home that evening, the man hid and waited for them to go to sleep. He went to JonBenet’s room — perhaps to molest her or kidnap her, perhaps just to look at her before he left. Something happened, whether intended or not, and he ended up cracking her skull with some type of blunt object. After he hid the body in the wine cellar, he fled the house. Did he intend to leave the ransom note behind to throw police off, or did he just forget it was there? Who knows? This was not a rational, well-organized person. This was a man who had broken into a home, and molested and murdered a young child.
Was there enough evidence left at the scene to enable competent police investigators to find and catch the killer early on? We’ll never know. Often the toughest cases to solve are those where the killer is a stranger with no known connection to the victim. Advances in DNA technology make it more likely that the police will find the perpetrators in such cases, but it’s still not a sure thing. It’s possible that someday the unknown male whose DNA was found in JonBenet’s underwear and on her leggings will be located in a DNA database. Unfortunately, it’s also possible that he will never be found (because he will die without being convicted of any other crime which causes his DNA to be placed into a database). We can only wait, and hope.
How come nobody has ever suggested a competitor in the “lolita” pageant industry? It’s not like there’s a lot of parents doing this with their kids.
My mother-in-law collects dolls, the ones that go for hundreds or thousands of dollars each. She goes to shows all over the country. Guess what? She sees many of the same people at each one.
It’s like a big extended family affair.
So why not in the lolita group? That would seem to be a smaller demographic than doll collectors.
This would explain the access to the family and the supposedly “family only” aspects of the case. Also, the lack of screams from the victim – she knew him.
I would not be surprised to find that the killer is a person who has been comforting the family since the murder. These people do tend to be a bit narcissistic.
Now more than ever, I believe the dingo was guilty.
I don’t blame the Ramsey’s for getting lawyers immediately. They sure needed them, right?
Here’s a scenario… what if there was a plan to kidnap JonBenet, note written, etc. $118,000 – who knew except the family? How about the people who figured his bonus, wrote the check, etc.? They knew. IF the Ramsey’s were involved, you think they’d be stupid enough to write that exact amount? What if the kidnapper went into the house while the Ramsey’s were gone – got the pad of paper and pen because he’d been there before perhaps at a party. Maybe the killer knew where the Ramsey’s were that evening and perhaps was even in cohoots with someone who was watching their whereabouts and reporting back via cell phone. Maybe the killer went in there with all the supplies he needed and just had to hide and wait. He would have had ample time to tie that knot or write that note. Obviously he’s a sick ba$tard to begin with and while he was waiting maybe thought he’d do something to her first before taking her from the home. Maybe the temptation was too much. Maybe he never intended to kill her or maybe he did.
Now don’t hunt me down because I’ve never even been to Colorado and I don’t know anyone there, but there are scenarios to explain how it WASN’T the Ramsey’s.
You all lay out well-thought-out, plausible, if not actually Probable scenarios.
Obviously, no one can say for sure, now.
For me though, despite what you say about the $118K ransome note, to me, that indicates a panic’d parent, writing the note, and not thinking clearly.
Two words also keep coming to mind: Susan Smith!
That said, we’ll never know for sure, but I will say that I personally think all of your scenarios are at least plausible, of not probable, though I personally think the parent, or parents were involved, but that’s just me.
I fear we will never know the truth. The police and DAs errors are far too numerous: a mishandled crime scene resulting in probable contamination; the DA and police at odds with each other; and the police blinded by the odds, i.e., that in 80%+ of such cases a family member or friend is the culprit. I’ve always thought that the mention of the $118K bonus might indicate a disgruntled employee who thought he or others deserved the money more than John Ramsey — this would also explain the incompetence of the crime. What about a trace DNA analysis of the note? — this would decide forever whether it was written by one of the Ramseys.
I think the DA’s office is trying to avoid civil litigation because they know the new DNA results were going to be made public sooner or later.
Although no one in the family committed the crime, it is possible that they know who did, and knew who did it at the time it occurred. They assisted the killer in preparing the note so as to muddy the trail of evidence leading back to him.
Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey knew who did it.
No one will ever convince me otherwise.
No way anyone could have gotten to that poor child without knowing how to navigate that house.
That doesn’t follow logically. You can be acquianted with the perp (perhaps an electrician you had in three years ago) without knowing that the person is the perp.
Your point about the house is a good one; its layout was bizarre. This is one reason that one of the FBI profilers who looked at the case felt sure that someone could have gotten in and out without being seen or heard.
Susan Smith had an insane motive for getting rid of her children. What motive did the Ramsey’s have? I think it was a disgruntled employee or acquaintance of the Ramsey’s that knew about that $118,000 bonus.
Think about Elizabeth Smart, Danielle VanDam, Polly Klaas. All taken from bedrooms in the dark of night. God, it’s a sickening world.
Why would a killer write a ransom note after killing the victim?
For what purpose? Especially since the victim was left in the home.
SteveMG on July 9, 2008 at 10:17 PM
That’s my biggest problem with the case as well. She was small. If the killer was able to leave without being seen, then he would have been able to take her with him, even if someone or something startled him.
He just forgot to pick up the note on his way out.
otcconan on July 10, 2008 at 12:39 AM
That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Even if he accidentally killed her, he could still take her with him and try to get the ransom anyway.
Yeah, the ransom demanded being the amount of his bonus…that would seem to narrow down the suspect pool greatly.
sloopy on July 10, 2008 at 6:40 AM
You’d think.
Possible I guess.
SteveMG on July 10, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Anything is possible.
How exactly does proving that there is someone else’s DNA on the child’s clothes exonerate the Ramseys completely? That DNA could have gotten there in so many ways… before, during or after the murder. And it doesn’t rule out foul play by mom and dad….
max1 on July 10, 2008 at 9:46 AM
It certainly wouldn’t rule out a parent also being involved.
And what bothers me is that this isn’t necessarily new evidence. They already found DNA that doesn’t belong to the Ramseys on her underwear. I don’t understand why this DNA suddenly clears them when the other DNA did not.
That’s possible, but it just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
If he was already able to leave her bedroom with her, why not do himself a favor and hide her outside the home? That way her body might never have been found, making it very difficult to prove she’d been killed and removing evidence that can be used against him.
You say he wasn’t rational or organized, but even in your story you admit he tried to hide her. If he was thinking about hiding her, then it makes no sense that he would think beyond the house.
And as to the last part about him never being caught, sexual predators like him are predisposed to commit that crime again. They have very low will power, especially if he’s as irrational as you are saying.
If, on the other hand, he’s a one time offender who knew the family, it’s more likely he won’t do that again.
Why wouldn’t he remove her from the home after the murder? Perhaps someone was waiting outside for him… murder and sexual assault was NOT part of the plan… the murderer was embarrassed about what he did… didn’t want to own-up to the accomplice right on the spot what he had done. Was the accomplice a spouse? It might be hard to go out and tell your wife that you just raped and murdered a 6 year old girl.
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Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey knew who did it.
No one will ever convince me otherwise.
No way anyone could have gotten to that poor child without knowing how to navigate that house.
SuperManGreenLantern on July 10, 2008 at 11:20 AM
This case was a text-book example of how not to conduct a criminal investigation. The Ramsey house was a crime scene from the moment the kidnapping was reported, and it should have been treated as a crime scene — meaning the house and yard should have been taped off and as few people as possible allowed to enter. Instead, multiple police officers trampled around the house and grounds in the hours just after the 911 call, and they allowed numerous friends of the Ramseys to do the same. We will never know what evidence might have been recovered from the scene if the police had just done their jobs properly.
The responding officers also failed to search the entire house (which would have led them to the child’s body in the basement wine cellar), and failed to separate the parents and question them apart from one another. Then you have Det. Arndt actually moving the child’s body and placing a cover from the home over the body — actions which severely compromised the probative value of trace evidence found on the body (e.g., did hair and fibers on the child’s clothing come from the killer, or were they simply transferred to the child’s clothing from the blanket, and/or transferred as her body was moved about to different places on the floor?).
As for the handwriting analysis, that is not a science, let alone an exact science. It is more accurately described as a matter of opinion. And opinions, as we all know, are not always correct. In this case, there were multiple handwriting “experts” who examined the ransom note — some of whom concluded that Patsy Ramsey could be excluded as the writer of the ransom note, and some of whom concluded that she could not be excluded.
Does the reference to the $118k amount in the ramson note implicate the Ramseys? If you were a parent who had just killed your child and you were trying to point the finger of blame at a stranger, would you write a ransom note demanding an odd amount of money that you had recently received as a bonus? That seems rather stupid. A more likely scenario is that a disturbed male, possibly one who had seen JonBenet in one or more of her pageants, was watching the Ramsey home. He saw Mr. Ramsey take the dog away, and he saw the Ramseys packing the car full of presents and other items on Christmas morning. The man correctly assumed that the Ramseys would be gone from the home for some time. He entered the home, and spent several hours walking around inside — reading personal letters, looking through Mr. Ramsey’s financial records (which Mr. Ramsey admitted were lying about on his home desk), and familiarizing himself with the layout of the house. The man probably also wrote the ransom note during this time. Did he actually plan to kidnap JonBenet, or was he just indulging his fantasies by writing out some crazy, rambling, make-believe scenario in his mind? We’ll probably never know; I tend to believe it was the latter. He probably never had any actual plan in mind for anything — he just wanted to see where JonBenet lived and touch her clothes and her things.
When the Ramseys returned home that evening, the man hid and waited for them to go to sleep. He went to JonBenet’s room — perhaps to molest her or kidnap her, perhaps just to look at her before he left. Something happened, whether intended or not, and he ended up cracking her skull with some type of blunt object. After he hid the body in the wine cellar, he fled the house. Did he intend to leave the ransom note behind to throw police off, or did he just forget it was there? Who knows? This was not a rational, well-organized person. This was a man who had broken into a home, and molested and murdered a young child.
Was there enough evidence left at the scene to enable competent police investigators to find and catch the killer early on? We’ll never know. Often the toughest cases to solve are those where the killer is a stranger with no known connection to the victim. Advances in DNA technology make it more likely that the police will find the perpetrators in such cases, but it’s still not a sure thing. It’s possible that someday the unknown male whose DNA was found in JonBenet’s underwear and on her leggings will be located in a DNA database. Unfortunately, it’s also possible that he will never be found (because he will die without being convicted of any other crime which causes his DNA to be placed into a database). We can only wait, and hope.
AZCoyote on July 10, 2008 at 11:23 AM
How come nobody has ever suggested a competitor in the “lolita” pageant industry? It’s not like there’s a lot of parents doing this with their kids.
My mother-in-law collects dolls, the ones that go for hundreds or thousands of dollars each. She goes to shows all over the country. Guess what? She sees many of the same people at each one.
It’s like a big extended family affair.
So why not in the lolita group? That would seem to be a smaller demographic than doll collectors.
This would explain the access to the family and the supposedly “family only” aspects of the case. Also, the lack of screams from the victim – she knew him.
I would not be surprised to find that the killer is a person who has been comforting the family since the murder. These people do tend to be a bit narcissistic.
platypus on July 10, 2008 at 11:25 AM
12 years is a little late for “Mr. Monk and the Slimy DNA”
kirkill on July 10, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Now more than ever, I believe the dingo was guilty.
I don’t blame the Ramsey’s for getting lawyers immediately. They sure needed them, right?
Here’s a scenario… what if there was a plan to kidnap JonBenet, note written, etc. $118,000 – who knew except the family? How about the people who figured his bonus, wrote the check, etc.? They knew. IF the Ramsey’s were involved, you think they’d be stupid enough to write that exact amount? What if the kidnapper went into the house while the Ramsey’s were gone – got the pad of paper and pen because he’d been there before perhaps at a party. Maybe the killer knew where the Ramsey’s were that evening and perhaps was even in cohoots with someone who was watching their whereabouts and reporting back via cell phone. Maybe the killer went in there with all the supplies he needed and just had to hide and wait. He would have had ample time to tie that knot or write that note. Obviously he’s a sick ba$tard to begin with and while he was waiting maybe thought he’d do something to her first before taking her from the home. Maybe the temptation was too much. Maybe he never intended to kill her or maybe he did.
Now don’t hunt me down because I’ve never even been to Colorado and I don’t know anyone there, but there are scenarios to explain how it WASN’T the Ramsey’s.
Oink on July 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Wow! I didn’t see your comment before I started typing mine @ 11:31am.
We’re thinking along the same lines.
Oink on July 10, 2008 at 11:34 AM
“Don’t race to the deadline. It’s all about who gets there first and accuracy be damned.”
-Patsy Ramsey, April 2001
Trial by Media.
Hey Geraldo, how about an apology – jerk.
labrat on July 10, 2008 at 11:37 AM
AZCoyote on July 10, 2008 at 11:23 AM
platypus
Oink
You all lay out well-thought-out, plausible, if not actually Probable scenarios.
Obviously, no one can say for sure, now.
For me though, despite what you say about the $118K ransome note, to me, that indicates a panic’d parent, writing the note, and not thinking clearly.
Two words also keep coming to mind: Susan Smith!
That said, we’ll never know for sure, but I will say that I personally think all of your scenarios are at least plausible, of not probable, though I personally think the parent, or parents were involved, but that’s just me.
Dale in Atlanta on July 10, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Innocent until proven guilty?
Not in this case, these poor folks were hosed by the inept criminal justice system. Full stop.
omnipotent on July 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM
I fear we will never know the truth. The police and DAs errors are far too numerous: a mishandled crime scene resulting in probable contamination; the DA and police at odds with each other; and the police blinded by the odds, i.e., that in 80%+ of such cases a family member or friend is the culprit. I’ve always thought that the mention of the $118K bonus might indicate a disgruntled employee who thought he or others deserved the money more than John Ramsey — this would also explain the incompetence of the crime. What about a trace DNA analysis of the note? — this would decide forever whether it was written by one of the Ramseys.
I think the DA’s office is trying to avoid civil litigation because they know the new DNA results were going to be made public sooner or later.
jdwatson on July 10, 2008 at 12:56 PM
I am surprised the troofers have not got involved this yet?
RobCon on July 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Although no one in the family committed the crime, it is possible that they know who did, and knew who did it at the time it occurred. They assisted the killer in preparing the note so as to muddy the trail of evidence leading back to him.
Labamigo on July 10, 2008 at 4:33 PM
That doesn’t follow logically. You can be acquianted with the perp (perhaps an electrician you had in three years ago) without knowing that the person is the perp.
Your point about the house is a good one; its layout was bizarre. This is one reason that one of the FBI profilers who looked at the case felt sure that someone could have gotten in and out without being seen or heard.
njcommuter on July 11, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Susan Smith had an insane motive for getting rid of her children. What motive did the Ramsey’s have? I think it was a disgruntled employee or acquaintance of the Ramsey’s that knew about that $118,000 bonus.
Think about Elizabeth Smart, Danielle VanDam, Polly Klaas. All taken from bedrooms in the dark of night. God, it’s a sickening world.
Oink on July 11, 2008 at 10:30 AM
That’s my biggest problem with the case as well. She was small. If the killer was able to leave without being seen, then he would have been able to take her with him, even if someone or something startled him.
That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Even if he accidentally killed her, he could still take her with him and try to get the ransom anyway.
You’d think.
Anything is possible.
It certainly wouldn’t rule out a parent also being involved.
And what bothers me is that this isn’t necessarily new evidence. They already found DNA that doesn’t belong to the Ramseys on her underwear. I don’t understand why this DNA suddenly clears them when the other DNA did not.
Esthier on July 11, 2008 at 1:15 PM
That’s possible, but it just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
If he was already able to leave her bedroom with her, why not do himself a favor and hide her outside the home? That way her body might never have been found, making it very difficult to prove she’d been killed and removing evidence that can be used against him.
You say he wasn’t rational or organized, but even in your story you admit he tried to hide her. If he was thinking about hiding her, then it makes no sense that he would think beyond the house.
And as to the last part about him never being caught, sexual predators like him are predisposed to commit that crime again. They have very low will power, especially if he’s as irrational as you are saying.
If, on the other hand, he’s a one time offender who knew the family, it’s more likely he won’t do that again.
Esthier on July 11, 2008 at 1:24 PM
I write who knew the family, because then the attacker wouldn’t have been a stalker, as stalkers are also more likely to do this again.
Esthier on July 11, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Why wouldn’t he remove her from the home after the murder? Perhaps someone was waiting outside for him… murder and sexual assault was NOT part of the plan… the murderer was embarrassed about what he did… didn’t want to own-up to the accomplice right on the spot what he had done. Was the accomplice a spouse? It might be hard to go out and tell your wife that you just raped and murdered a 6 year old girl.
Oink on July 11, 2008 at 3:33 PM
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