Maybe this is why they need Card Check?
posted at 6:23 pm on July 9, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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If anyone wondered why the unions have pressed so hard for the EFCA bill, known better as Card Check, maybe the SEIU’s status can explain a few things. The massive union has long played politics, and plans to spend as much as $85 million in the upcoming election. However, the union finds itself a little short on funding its pension funds while at the same time attacking the investment firm that handles its accounts:
The SEIU, which has pledged $85 million to Democratic campaigns this year, wants this pressure to lead to investment decisions by KKR that Mr. Stern asserts would benefit workers: reduced CEO compensation, higher rank-and-file wages, and more emphasis on environmentalism and politics, instead of profits.
Yet in 2006, the SEIU National Industry Pension Plan, a plan for the rank-and-file members, covering 100,787 workers, was 75% funded. That is, it had three-fourths of the money it needed to pay benefit obligations of workers and retirees.
In contrast, a separate fund for the union’s own employees, numbering 1,305, participants was 91% funded. Even better, the pension fund for SEIU officers and employees, which had 6,595 members, was 103% funded.
As the Sun points out, the SEIU obviously knows how to manage pension funds, as their own funds are not underfunded. KKR manages all three national funds, so the problem doesn’t lie with KKR, either. It’s not the market, either, as all of the funds again The difference is that employers manage the contributions to member pensions, while SEIU execs manage their own funds. SEIU executives seem a lot less concerned about negotiating proper pension contributions for their members than they do for themselves — or for playing politics.
These pensions weren’t always underfunded, either. In 1996, the pensions had 110% of the necessary funding. In twelve years, the SEIU allowed employers to shortchange their members, reducing the stability of their pensions by almost a quarter.
The SEIU has launched an attack on Henry Kravis, one of the founders of KKR. They claim that Kravis doesn’t pay enough in taxes, although they stop short of calling him a cheat:
Kravis made $51,000 an hour in 2006 by buying and flipping companies, often at the expense of taxpayers or workers who lose their jobs. Yet, despite his vast income, he can pay a lower tax rate on much of his huge investment profit than nurses and teachers pay on salaries of $50,000 per year. KKR spent more than two million dollars last year on lobbying, including lobbying to defeat legislation that would have closed a lucrative tax loophole for hedge fund managers and buyout kings such as Kravis.
Yes, this is the same old “lower rate” dodge. Kravis pays a lower rate because the capital-gains tax rate is significantly lower than the income tax rate. Why? Because investments carry risk — and the tax code needs to provide incentives to those who accept that risk. Barack Obama uses this same intellectually-dishonest argument in his stump speeches, proving that neither Obama nor the SEIU understands tax policy at all.
Besides, one has to wonder why the SEIU continues to have KKR manage its own pensions if it finds KKR and Kravis so distasteful. In fact, the complaint above is doubly hypocritical; not only does the SEIU help Kravis make money, it plans to outspend him by eighty-three million dollars in this election cycle.
Maybe some of the SEIU’s members should ask why that money doesn’t get spent on making sure their pensions get fully funded. The people that the SEIU want to organize by using the Card Check legislation to intimidate them should ask about how much of their dues will go to trashing Kravis instead of taking care of their retirement needs.
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Where’s Jimmy Hoffa when the Unions need him most…after all the Union’s foundation was been built
byon Jimmy Hoffa..Liberty or Death on July 9, 2008 at 6:30 PM
It’s truly a shame how corrupt the unions are in this country & how the members are made to feel they have no choice but to join.
DCJeff on July 9, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Unions are a PITA! More to the fact even if they don’t have this card, and you ask about dues and such, it won’t make a difference because they won’t show you anyways.
upinak on July 9, 2008 at 6:31 PM
This is a win-win.
If they don’t fix the pensions and they remain underfunded, it proves unions only care about politics and not about their workers.
If they fix the pensions, they’ll spend less on politics.
Either way, unions will continue to become obsolete and less politically influential.
Sydney Carton on July 9, 2008 at 6:32 PM
That is $850 per employee. I would bet most those employees would love that as a bonus at the end of the year.
WoosterOh on July 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Which one? The dead Jimmy Hoffa, or the living James Hoffa (son of Jimmy) who currently heads the Teamsters?
I was floored when the Teamsters had the audacity to nominate him- to this day James Hoffa speaks in glowing terms about his dear old mobbed-up, thieving dad Jimmy being some kind of hero.
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Does any one remember a few years back when they were trying to pass legislation that would force unions to be more transparent to their members on how and what they spend their dues on??
Mass Panic and of course, it got blown clear out of the water.
Unions are a blight on this country and to our economy…They haven’t always been…..But they sure as hell are now….
BigWyo on July 9, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Yes I was speaking of the elder Hoffa, the guy the Unions foundation was built BY…and after his disappearance the Teamsters Union building may have literally BUILT ON Hoffa…
Yep, nothing like the passage of time to make a mobster like Hoffa look like a hero!
Liberty or Death on July 9, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Would it be possible for someone to sue to have the pensions funded before a penny was spent on campaigns?
alacrityfitzhugh on July 9, 2008 at 7:16 PM
WHERE IS ALLAHPUNDIT?
HYTEAndy on July 9, 2008 at 7:20 PM
I wouldn’t think so. The pension is funded by employers. The union is funded by union dues.
hillbillyjim on July 9, 2008 at 7:33 PM
HE’S ON VACATION.
Ed Morrissey on July 9, 2008 at 7:47 PM
ED YOU ARE DOING A FABULOUS JOB.
RushBaby on July 9, 2008 at 8:09 PM
IT’S GETTING LOUD IN HERE.
hillbillyjim on July 9, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Any time someone talks positively about unions I ask a few simple questions:
How much does the Local Business Manager make? How much does the National Business Manager make? What is the average gross paycheck for workers?
Strangely, they immediately clam up. I wonder why.
SeniorD on July 9, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Or, are you an employee or official?
Or, what do they spend your dues on??
BigWyo on July 9, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Yeah, I knew who you were referring to- just pointing out that the Teamsters haven’t exactly shed their image or practice of being “connected”.
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 8:25 PM
HOLY CRAP ED POSTED A “DUDE” NEWS HEADLINE!
You’re doing great as always, Ed. But if you start posting threads about Hitchens, we’re going to start wondering about you ;)
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 8:27 PM
hey guys,
Not that any of you know me, but I’m feeling really down right now. My life has been a shambles for a while now, and now it seems that the woman i love doesn’t want to have anything to do with me either. I guess you could say this is a global cry for help, cause i am really on the verge of just saying fuck it and checking out. i’ve admired the folks here at hotair for a while and always have checked out Michelle’s site too. I think the world would be better off without me in it.
markvike
Markvike on July 9, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Dude. She ain’t worth it.
hillbillyjim on July 9, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Don’t do it. There’s always hope, even if you can’t see or feel it.
His name is Jesus.
HYTEAndy on July 9, 2008 at 8:38 PM
I am always amazed by people who criticize the big bad corporations when jobs are moved overseas, when in a lot of cases, in a lot of industries, unions’ overreaching demands are a major reason that companies are forced by competition to outsource work in order to survive.
hillbillyjim on July 9, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Of course overseas workforces that work for pennies on the dollar don’t help the situation much.
hillbillyjim on July 9, 2008 at 8:48 PM
And of course, some one demanding $30 an hour (15% of which goes to finance the legal extortion known as the union) to do a job you can train a monkey to do…Well, God Forbid!!!
BigWyo on July 9, 2008 at 8:52 PM
SEIU is real good at organizing protests, as seen by their participation in the Sean Bell demonstrations in NYC a few weeks back.
lawhawk on July 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM
My question is: how many of the posters on this thread are actually in a union?
Hmmm?
Et tu Brute on July 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Me, for one. Ask me how I feel about being required to pay dues to the union, which refuses to disclose how the money is spent. Or the fact that those same dues go to finance politicial candidates I loathe. Or the fact that they’re more interested in their own standing than actually bargaining in the best interests of current members.
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Sounds like you don’t have a very good union.
If your union supports candidates you don’t like, you may have to look past that or accept it.
If your union doesn’t have your best interests in mind, you may want to consider voting those people out.
The choice is yours.
Et tu Brute on July 9, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Man up and get your s**t together. Go get yourself a piece of tail. And the coward’s way out? Incredibly selfish and pointless- you’re going to make friends pay for whatever minor issues you’re having? Pay your outstanding bills for you? Pay for your funeral? Clean up your home for you? Having to explain how you died?
Time to take responsibility for your own problems and with the help of friends and family deal with them like everyone else has since the dawn of time.
However bad you think you might have it, there are a million others who have it worse.
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 9:22 PM
No worse than any other- they operate the same as any other large union. They’re a business; gaining more members and more dues is their primary concern. Political influence is part of that strategy.
The popular conception of unions protecting worker rights is a myth. Thanks to their political influence (and contributions) it is unfortunately a self-perpetuating myth that gives employees and members little or no power or influence in how the union operates.
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Why should this be the case?
Of course we all know how free and fair union voting is.
The simple fact is that union membership should not be a requirement to get and hold a job. Not to mention the required funding of a party or candidate with whom you may or may not agree.
hillbillyjim on July 9, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I’m with Hollowpoint on this one.
Everyone has problems. Some big, some not so big. You need to deal with yours and get on with your life.
Like Hollowpoint said, there are a lot of people out there who have it worse than you.
You can find a way out. Checking out is not the answer, however.
Things will get better.
Et tu Brute on July 9, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Hey Hollowpoint,
Thanks for the “man lesson”.
Now quit being a dick and realise some shit can’t be dealt with.
Sorry I’m not as much a man as you.
Markvike on July 9, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Taxes…
Someone who makes 80,000 a year is essentially broke after the tax man rapeth. Income Tax, FICA, Medicare, Capital Gains, Sales Tax, Property Tax, Gas Tax, Hotel Tax, Telecom Tax, Internet Tax, State Income Tax, City Tax.
Now if you own and operate a small business. I feel sorry for you.
F*CK TAXATION. THE GOV’T IS NOT MY MOTHER.
BUILD ROADS AND KILL OUR ENEMIES.
James on July 9, 2008 at 9:48 PM
My union supports political candidates that I don’t like either.
So what.
I’m now getting paid wages and benefits that are the norm for my career. Without the union, we were getting the shaft. Vastly underpaid with no contract, while the principles of the company raked in massive salaries and unprecedented profits. On our backs.
Fair? I think not.
If you think that union voting is unfair, you need to do something about it and stop whining.
In my opinion, of course.
Et tu Brute on July 9, 2008 at 9:48 PM
whatever issues you have.. this is NOT the forum to discuss about it.. find a friend, family, pastor or elder from a local church.. talk to them..
the person to person contact goes a long way..
not the person to computer to computer to person..
DaveC on July 9, 2008 at 9:53 PM
never been more proud not to have worked in a union than now..
and this after living in Michigan for 10 years too..
unions are a dinosaur in todays economic world.. why to you think people are fleeing in droves Michigan and Ohio to other states for jobs?
in Lansing a GM plant went on strike and no one cared because everyone was hurting.. it did feel good to drive by and yell, ‘Get to work, pig-nuts.’ when I was out of a job..
and every job I had was comparable to the union job too..
their time has come and gone..
DaveC on July 9, 2008 at 9:59 PM
You’re now getting paid wages that are the norm for your career? You really need a union to get paid what the “norm” is? Does not compute.
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Yes, we did.
The company hid behind various excuses not to pay workers what they deserved.
There is a big difference between private sector wages and government mandated wages.
Et tu Brute on July 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Don’t be sorry. Just stop feeling sorry for yourself and whining on the Internet like a teenage girl because you got dumped and have some personal problems. Or at least take it somewhere appropriate, because this ain’t it.
Guess what- there’s a support group for people who’ve been through this sort of thing, and it’s called “everybody”. Be a man and work through it.
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 10:14 PM
The millions of workers in this country currently enjoying union wages and job protection might take issue with that statement.
Make no mistake, unions are STILL an unfortunate, yet necessary balance to some of today’s corporate greed. Left unchecked, some companies may or WILL take advantage of their employees in order to fatten the wallets of the officers and shareholders of the company, regardless of what the outcome is for the people who depend on that bi-weekly paycheck to pay the bills.
To think otherwise is naive and foolish.
Et tu Brute on July 9, 2008 at 10:42 PM
And yet the vast majority of those employed in the US manage without unions- usually with better chances for advancement. The unfair conditions that led to unions are long gone now that there are employment laws regarding overtime, working conditions, etc.
Unfortunately, the unions have such a stranglehold on certain industries that it’s difficult to find a job that isn’t union. The result is increasing offshore labor and poor productivity thanks to the fact that employers can’t easily get rid of unproductive employees or reward good employees.
Hollowpoint on July 9, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Et tu Brute on July 9, 2008 at 10:42 PM
cs89 on July 9, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I was a member of USWA (Steelworkers Union) for ten years and I have nothing good to say about them. I worked for a good international company and USWA did nothing but continually make matters worse for us to line their own pockets. I can tell you they don’t like members who ask questions either…I was asked to get out more than once…never gave them the satisfaction though.
DCJeff on July 9, 2008 at 11:15 PM
And your proof of those claims?
We’d like to see that.
Nobody here says that unions don’t have their problems. They exist. Some are corrupt and mismanaged. I can think of several corporations that have and are currently experiencing the same woes.
But to say that unions are obsolete today doesn’t reflect the reality of millions of American union workers who depend on the strength of their union contracts to pay fair wages that enable those workers to contribute to our economy.
The principle is simple. Pay the workers well and they will buy the services and products that drive this country’s economy. Companies make profits, shareholders are happy, and people get to improve their standard of living.
Everyone wins.
Et tu Brute on July 9, 2008 at 11:19 PM
If by job protection, you mean job security, you are sadly mistaken. How many union workers do you think have had to find work elsewhere when overreaching union contract demands forced the companies they worked for into bankruptcy or overseas?
If by job protection, you mean protection from getting fired, most couldn’t care less. Most folks are fine with workers who can’t or don’t do their jobs properly being shown the door.
As for “union wages”, that’s a good one. A job is worth what it is worth in the marketplace. If you start artificially raising wages, whether through union contracts or minimum wage regulations, then the marketplace is skewed and the cost of this is borne elsewhere, usually in job losses.
hillbillyjim on July 10, 2008 at 12:17 AM
You are the one paying to support candidates you don’t like. If you don’t mind doing so, then so what indeed. It is repugnant to me.
hillbillyjim on July 10, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Lost the blockquote somehow. Should be:
Then my reply: You are the one paying to support candidates you don’t like. If you don’t mind doing so, then so what indeed. It is repugnant to me.
hillbillyjim on July 10, 2008 at 12:35 AM
I quit the teachers’ union WAY back in the 90’s. I wonder when others will have had enough too.
Mojave Mark on July 10, 2008 at 2:07 AM
Servitude
Kini on July 10, 2008 at 3:53 AM
Markvike,
As someone who’s been there and made it back, there is always hope. I guarentee it to you. Things will get better.
MarkTheGreat on July 10, 2008 at 7:21 AM
Et tu,
If you weren’t being paid what you felt you were worth, why were you sticking around?
Perhaps you really were being paid what you were worth, that’s why you couldn’t find anyone else willing to employ you.
MarkTheGreat on July 10, 2008 at 7:24 AM
So union greed is the only balance to corporate greed?
Of course, some people feel that the definition of greed is someone making more than they do.
There are plenty of solutions out there. If you are man enough to take advantage of them. For those who want someone else to look out for them, there’s always unions.
MarkTheGreat on July 10, 2008 at 7:26 AM
For a second, I thought it said “KKK”. The Klan managing national funds, my how times have changed.
Coffee hasn’t kicked in, yet.
Bigfoot on July 10, 2008 at 8:35 AM
How dare you accuse Obama of dishonestly addressing issues of taxation in the manner he does on the stump! The truth is: he’s not smart enough to have that conversation, so he reads what his leftist puppeteers put on the TelePrompter.
Jaibones on July 10, 2008 at 9:11 AM
I understand the arguments against unions. Really I do.
I’d agree with them too … if human beings were strictly rational all the time and the laws governing abuse of one’s workforce worked perfectly. Sadly neither condition is true. Some corporations will go for short term gain over long term prosperity. Some laws will go unenforced due to corruption, oversight, or pressure not to report wrongs done.
With that in mind, it’s somewhat difficult to tell workers that they can’t organize to bargain collectively. That said, there aren’t enough protections in place for people that want to opt out of their union. There has to be some way to balance that.
TheUnrepentantGeek on July 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM
SEIU is a joke among unions. The leadership is a bunch of ’socialists’ who never hesitate to screw over the membership to score political points. They’re in more need of house-cleaning than the Teamsters ever were.
ticticboom on July 10, 2008 at 1:17 PM
In today’s America, unions are a “fifth wheel”.
Professional and/or skilled labor is in short supply, and those who have any job skills at all are in great demand. In this environment, unions are just an extra tax on labor.
Does this mean that all jobs are permanent? No!! Companies can be seasonal and/or out of favor in the world economy, and they necessarily have to contract as well as expand in order to adapt. So a worker has to be sufficiently flexible to find another job when necessary…or to sell his service directly to the customer (i.e. work for himself).
But in America today, jobs are not “given” or “created” by unions: they are just another unproductive bureaucracy gumming up the wheels of progress and diverting workers’ pay to all kinds of mischievous projects and destructive politics.
In Kansas, we have “right to work.” As a result, two national unions were recently unsuccessful in taking over the workforce of a major common carrier here. Reason? The company had already given its employees a much better deal than the union proposed to give them: the union wanted to remove privileges that senior employees earned over the years and make all of the workforce like cattle with everyone getting the same pay and benefits regardless of skills or seniority…and force the company collect union dues from everyone. The workforce rightly concluded that the union was not needed…despite all the political interference by the NLRB and the usual suspects to demonize the company and “fix” the election.
landlines on July 11, 2008 at 11:15 AM
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