Did Hillary submarine Obama on FISA reform?

posted at 3:33 pm on July 9, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

An interesting shift happened during the run-up to the final vote on the FISA reform bill this afternoon.  Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton voted in favor of amendments that would have stripped telecom immunity from the House bill up for a vote today.  Neither amendment came close to passage, and the Senate next moved to a cloture vote — which allowed one last opportunity for a filibuster.

Originally, both Hillary and Obama voted for cloture.  However, Hillary changed her vote before the tally closed, opposing cloture and supporting a filibuster.  A little later, she voted against the FISA reform — only one of 28 votes against — while Obama voted for its passage.

Has Hillary decided to woo the netroots in a bid to resurrect her presidential ambitions for 2008?  Obama hasn’t technically clinched the nomination yet.  The superdelegates can still change their minds before the first vote at the Denver convention.  Moreover, Obama hasn’t exactly broken a leg in a rush to assist her in retiring her campaign debt, either.

Could she have calculated her actions today in order to generate a grass-roots effort to get the nomination?  If so, could it work?

Update: Some commenters wonder whether this was an attempt to force her way onto the ticket as VP.  In fact, I think she just made that option even less likely than before.  Candidates do not choose running mates who make a point of showing them up, as Hillary just did today.

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Yes she could/did

Real question is did she and he have an agreement? We will both vote for so neither looks bad, then threw his ass under the bus?

Dems must be running out of even Nagins many busses and did Hillary just show Jessy Jacksuuuun a copy of his FBI file?

dhunter on July 9, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Could she have calculated her actions today in order to generate a grass-roots effort to get the nomination? If so, could it work?

Yes. No. It’s a set up for 2012. Never underestimate the sneakiness of a Clinton.

rbj on July 9, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Oh and that picture, looks like the kiss of death to me!
Vince got one too me thinks.

dhunter on July 9, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Can she be this Machiavellian?

She’s got her fillet knife sharpened and her pitching arm warmed up.

Speakup on July 9, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Rudy is coming up on Hannity & Colmes.


Chakra Hammer on July 9, 2008 at 9:19 PM

The fact that she votes in what is HER best insterest instead of the country’s says everything we need to know about the ego of a typical politician. And they are all typical politicians.

SouthernGent on July 9, 2008 at 10:25 PM

In that picture, check the expression on Hil’s face! Like, ‘OMG, do I really have to do this?’

petefrt on July 10, 2008 at 8:38 AM

I went over to Daily Kos to see what they had to say about this and ended up reading why some Kosling thinks that FISA is the beginning of the fascist regime.
I was completely underwhelmed by his, her or (insert gender-neutral pronoun here) argument. If Koslings had more imagination they could pretend that FISA was an obscure issue of 200 years ago and notice that what they had to say was not very important. But I started mulling over the possibilities and I made a guess at the underlying issue for the Koslings. Most of us who read HotAir think we are at war with the terrorists. The Koslings reject that characterization in favor of a law enforcement model. FISA makes it concrete that we are at war, and thus constitutes a rejection of the highest and holiest symbol of the Koslings “Peace”. I believe this is the major reason for their anger which includes their insane attack on the telecom companies. Am I on the right track here?

thuja on July 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM

Moreover, Obama hasn’t exactly broken a leg in a rush to assist her in retiring her campaign debt, either.

Retiring Clinton’s campaign “debt” to Clinton herself, if it’s even a lawful use of contributions to Obama’s campaign, would put Clinton in a better financial position from which to renew her opposition to Obama. Nor would gratitude or the moral requirement of gratitude necessarily check her ambition. If the requirement of gratitude is an obstacle to ambition, it seems the obstacle produces anger, which then joins with ambition to overcome gratitude and its moral requirement. Beware the resentment of those who owe gratitude.

Kralizec on July 10, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Am I on the right track here?

thuja on July 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM

Probably, but you always have to throw in the mix that anything that the conservatives and the Republicans propose will be vilified…anything.
One of the mysteries of the left, even if it supports their policies, they will protest.
So you may be right, but they have the right to change their position at any time and take another tact.
They just think basically that the administration wants to “listen” to their communication…because that is what they want to do themselves, control our communications. They are convinced that FISA is spying on citizens…and they will be the targets.
Also, remember, most all left protests are driven and supported by Communists and Marxists. People like David Howowitz lived through this in his younger days, and describes the relationship between anarchists, protesters and the Communist and Marxist parties. So any attempt at monitoring outside anti-American groups, is a real threat.

right2bright on July 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Is it just me or does that pic looks like a photoshop?

Ortzinator on July 10, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Torpedo Los!

Mooseman on July 10, 2008 at 7:28 PM