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Congress hits single digits: Rasmussen

posted at 2:00 pm on July 8, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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When Democrats won majorities in both chambers of Congress, they pointed to the falling approval ratings of the legislature as a mandate for change.  They have certainly provided it — albeit in the wrong direction.  Rasmussen’s latest polling shows the approval ratings for Congress have reached a new low, and a new achievement … single digits:

The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category. …

The percentage of Democrats who give Congress positive ratings fell from 17% last month to 13% this month. The number of Democrats who give Congress a poor rating remained unchanged. Among Republicans, 8% give Congress good or excellent ratings, up just a point from last month. Sixty-five percent (65%) of GOP voters say Congress is doing a poor job, down a single point from last month.

Voters not affiliated with either party are the most critical of Congressional performance. Just 3% of those voters give Congress positive ratings, down from 6% last month. Sixty-three percent (63%) believe Congress is doing a poor job, up from 57% last month.

When Democrats first took control of Congress, its approval rating sat at 15%, which explained quite a bit about the electoral victory Democrats achieved.  They managed to push it up to 26% after four monthsin charge, but it has gone downhill ever since May 2007.  People used to joke about it hitting single digits, but the day has finally arrived under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Oddly, at the same time Democrats have maintained their lead on Rasmussen’s generic congressional ballot.   Last week’s poll shows a 12-point gap, slightly narrower than the 14-point gap in mid-June, but wider than the six-point gap in April.  The GOP has obviously not done a good job in explaining the lack of progress on issues and tying it to Democratic leadership, which seems like an opportunity missed — at least this far.

With energy on everyone’s mind, the Republicans have a chance to change that.  Democrats have decided to “wait for the wind” rather than do anything to ease the supply crisis that has driven prices at the pump out of sight.  If Republicans can take charge and implement a rational energy policy that includes robust domestic production — a position that has gained popularity with voters — they can both increase their standing and expose Reid and Pelosi as the true obstructionists.

Outside of the partisan considerations, having the people’s branch of government in such disrepute seems somewhat dangerous.  Congress needs to take action to restore confidence in the most representative branch of the federal government, which should include an end to corruption mechanisms such as pork.  We cannot afford to wait for the number to sink to zero before repairing its credibility.


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Dear Congress,

You suck.

Sincerely,

America

amerpundit on July 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM

People used to joke about it hitting single digits, but the day has finally arrived under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Even the liberals are getting to the point of frustration with nothing coming around.

I wonder how they feel about Obama right now?

I wonder at how the rest of the Country feels about their Senators? Not just the Liberals.

upinak on July 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Lejishlashun, u r doin it rong.

kirkill on July 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM

And yet, they are still favored to increase their majorities in the fall. Talk about schizophrenic voters…

Think_b4_speaking on July 8, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Rush joked today that those polled may not know democrats, not Bush, are in charge of Congress. I laughed but hey, who knows? They may not know democrats are in charge.

Sue on July 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM

I wish GOP would wake up, seize the moment and fight for a real agenda: drilling, expand nuclear, end earmarks, slash spending, secure the border now, win the war, cut taxes permanently, etc.

Instead, GOP is supporting the banker bailout, farm subsidies, new earmarks, and other “bipartisan accomplishments.” Go team!

thankful on July 8, 2008 at 2:07 PM

This will take the wind out of their sails.

faraway on July 8, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Single digits? Too high.

whitetop on July 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM

amerpundit on July 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Dear America,

You’re all suckers.

Sincerely,

Congress

PS. Vote Democrat

LimeyGeek on July 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Anybody up for some more baseball/steroid hearings?

forest on July 8, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I’d be curious to see numbers, if there are any, for each Congressional district. How do the voters feel about their Congressmen/women? I’d be willing to be that it’s the typical “my Congressman is great! The rest of you guys suck, but mine is peachy-keen!”

As long as that’s the mindset, we’re stuck with what we’ve got. I’m planning on voting against every single rep I’ve got in Maryland this next election. Lucky they’re all Dhimms! ;-)

nukemhill on July 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM

A pox on both their houses.
-William Shakespeare

JiangxiDad on July 8, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Anybody up for some more baseball/steroid hearings?

forest on July 8, 2008 at 2:10 PM

No. I want more of those celebrity witnesses who play doctors and lawyers on tv.

JiangxiDad on July 8, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Is now a good time to start agitating for a term limits ammendment?

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2008 at 2:14 PM

When will people learn that voting for Democrats to punish Republicans always backfires?

The worse Congress with the biggest bunch of Bozo no-no losers ……evah!!!!

….and more will get seats next election.

Hening on July 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Just occurred to me: Senor Juan McVain (Presumptive Nominee – Anti-Federalist Party) is in Congress

Coincidence?

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM

LimeyGeek on July 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Sad but true.

Bigfoot on July 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM

nukemhill, interestingly, my Congressman, Doug Lamborn has probably the most conservative rating on capital hill, but I’m voting against him in the primary because I think he’s still just another career politician who’ll do and say anything to get elected. I’ll vote for him in the general, but Jeff Crank’s the one for change…umm…and hope!

kirkill on July 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I imagine with the low rating of congress, the little darlings are so upset to learn the people don’t like what they are doing, they will give themselves a pay raise to make it all better.
L

letget on July 8, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Wow, a 9% approval rating and congress is sitting on their hands doing nothing.

I can only speculate, but I’m guessing they would already be at 0% had they actually stepped up to the plate and passed any leftist whacko legislation.

fogw on July 8, 2008 at 2:16 PM

“I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; that two are called a law firm, and that three or more become a Congress! And by God, I have had this Congress!”

-John Adams, 1776

amerpundit on July 8, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Hey, I’ve got an idea. . . why don’t we pick from this group to choose the next leader of the free world. Surely these are the best that America has to offer.

When your choice of voting is one tyrant or another tyrant, you are going to get a tyrant whether you vote or not.

ThackerAgency on July 8, 2008 at 2:16 PM

That useless gaggle of self serving jackasses are a waste of our time and money. It’s too bad we can’t just run them all out and start over.

rplat on July 8, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Juan McVain does better in polling than generic Republicans.

amerpundit on July 8, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Single digits, how did they score so high?

right2bright on July 8, 2008 at 2:21 PM

The very same dems that want to run your healthcare and nationalize the oil industry.

They have done worse than nothing on energy they have sold putting food in your gas tank thus increasing the cost of food and gas.

Will a nation digging to the bottom of their pocket books to pay for food and fuel while watching industries associated with each take a bath put these clowns back in the driver seat?

I hope not but the GOP better have a solution and communicate it. Drill here drill now.

dhunter on July 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM

I know how to fix that … elect people like THIS guy:

Kumar: The Left and Islam share many of the same values. Both deny that individuals have a personal ethic. A central authority should control all things. Both insult and denigrate their opponents and see themselves as victors in the movement of history.

If we had 535 of these guys, Congress would have a 90% approval rating, instead of Nancy’s 9%.

Tony737 on July 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Its better than that…

Both McCain and Obama… and even Hillary… are all part of the Congress… the same one with such low approval ratings.

Now, just why in the H3LL do we want to give ANYONE from that body a PROMOTION?

Romeo13 on July 8, 2008 at 2:23 PM

ThackerAgency on July 8, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Vote “None of the above”

If sufficient people did this, what the heck would happen? There’s no Constitutional mechanism to deal with such an event.

There should be.

LimeyGeek on July 8, 2008 at 2:23 PM

“I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace; that two are called a law firm, and that three or more become a Congress! And by God, I have had this Congress!”

-John Adams, 1776

amerpundit on July 8, 2008 at 2:16 PM

The more things “Change” the more they stay the same. Excellent find amerpundit.

Bogeyfre on July 8, 2008 at 2:24 PM

And just think…our brilliant voters will elect more donks in November and expect an improvement. The American people are brain dead.

libhater on July 8, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Outside of the partisan considerations, having the people’s branch of government in such disrepute seems somewhat dangerous.

Indeed it is. Along with the recent poll showing a majority have finally recognized SC decisions are driven by political ideology, we’re inching ever closer to breakdown, with 2 branches under fire. I think the recent, rapid access to information via internet has opened a lot of eyes. We’re seeing a lot of warts that had been disguised before.

a capella on July 8, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Nukemhill, McCain is my senator, and no, I have never voted for him. I always vote for the libertarian candidate instead. On the other hand, my other senator is Jon Kyl, and he has done a pretty darn good job. My representative is Gabrielle Giffords, but I voted for Randy Graf.

Branch Rickey, don’t forget, Obama is also a member of same Congress with McVain.

And yes, Mark the Great, it is long past due to have term limits!

Special K on July 8, 2008 at 2:27 PM

2006 democrats: Iraq, the economy and gas prices are killing America. Vote for us, end the monopoly of Republican power going unchecked and we’ll fix Iraq, the economy and gas prices.

2008 democrats: Iraq is accidentally better, the economy is worse, and gas prices are killing America. Vote for us, we need an unchecked monopoly and, we’ll fix Iraq, the economy and gas prices.

Any guess on what they’ll campaign on in 2010?

cntrlfrk on July 8, 2008 at 2:28 PM

I personally like a “do nothing” Congress. Whichever party is in charge, the less Congress gets done, the better. Congress is nothing but a law factory and we don’t need more laws.

Like Will Rogers said, “The only time a man’s life, liberty or property are is when Congress is NOT in session.”

Richard Disney on July 8, 2008 at 2:28 PM

I saw a variation on this story yesterday. I think one of the tags of it was that people still think the GOP is in charge of Congress. The point of the story was that low approval of Congress is not exactly great news for the GOP. No good news this year.

austinnelly on July 8, 2008 at 2:28 PM

40% of the people don’t know that the dems control congress.

This is where we need Bush to stand up and say over and over and over and over again that the DEM controlled Congres is .

Pin this disgrace of an economy and high gas prices on the dems where it belongs. Let the Rino chips fall where they may.

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Single digits? Too high.

whitetop on July 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM

That’s what I’m sayin’!

Bob's Kid on July 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM

austinnelly on July 8, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Unfortunately, that’s true. The GOP is still perceived to be in absolute power, despite its control over only one branch — which ironically is liked better than the branch it doesn’t control.

amerpundit on July 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM

To put the low approval number in perspective: more than twice as many people (~%20) believe the Moon landings were fake as believe that Congress is doing a good job.

Travis Bickle on July 8, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Richard Disney on July 8, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Problem is that we need them to UNDO some of the things they’ve already done… so we can get to drillin.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Something tells me that the 9% is a subset of the 20%.

Travis Bickle on July 8, 2008 at 2:33 PM

amerpundit on July 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Start a petition to send to Nancy “Stretch” Pelosi. Everyone hear would sign it.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM

It’s time for Newt’s “Contract With America” v2.0, baby!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 8, 2008 at 2:35 PM

And can you believe that our next President is a member of this exclusive club of Knuckleheads ?? Ooffaahh!!!

redrock on July 8, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Oddly, at the same time Democrats have maintained their lead on Rasmussen’s generic congressional ballot.

I’ve read that half of all voters think the Republicans are still in charge of Congress.

flenser on July 8, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Outside of the partisan considerations, having the people’s branch of government in such disrepute seems somewhat dangerous.

Indeed it is. Along with the recent poll showing a majority have finally recognized SC decisions are driven by political ideology, we’re inching ever closer to breakdown, with 2 branches under fire. I think the recent, rapid access to information via internet has opened a lot of eyes. We’re seeing a lot of warts that had been disguised before.

a capella on July 8, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I think that is very true and I fear that our elected representatives do not understand how “naked” they have become in terms of the emperors wearing no clothes. That is to say, the entire country is talking about them behind their backs and they have no clue. This is also true at the state level.

I hate to sound paranoid, but if things continue as they are I suspect we will see some uprisings somewhere at some point — whether over gas prices, illegal immigration, or tax increases.

BigD on July 8, 2008 at 2:36 PM

The real problem is that we’ve developed our own American aristocracy, called the political class.

They stay in Washington, and become rich, while not having to deal with the real life problems out here.

When you have Senators, or Reps who are in Congress for 30 or 40 years, there is NO way they can have any idea of what is going on.

Can’t remember who it was, but some politician recently retired, and had to pump his own gas, and did not know how…

Its said McCain does not even know how to use a PC.

None of them have worked for a living in GENERATIONS… and the problem grows worse every year. They have legally created gerrymandered districts to perpetuate their own power base… at the expense of the American people.

Its time to throw ALL the bums out.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Outside of the partisan considerations, having the people’s branch of government in such disrepute seems somewhat dangerous.

Completely agree. Coups are born of stuff like this.

Congress needs to take action to restore confidence in the most representative branch of the federal government, which should include an end to corruption mechanisms such as pork.

Disagree. I’ve seen no evidence that outrage over pork is driving these numbers.

flenser on July 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM

They are shooting for number 1 — 1% percent that is.

Rick on July 8, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Call me when they head into negative numbers. I’ll be really impressed then.

Seriously, Congress could have approval ratings around absolute zero and nothing would change. I think we as a nation just don’t care anymore. Of course, there are a few of us who will fight for change, but I’ve given up hope on the majority.

Anna on July 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM

I’m pretty sure that Republicans have always been on the low end on the generic ballot even when they won.

Topsecretk9 on July 8, 2008 at 2:41 PM

This should be such a slam dunk for republicans its not even funny.

Iblis on July 8, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Is now a good time to start agitating for a term limits ammendment?

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2008 at 2:14 PM

You determine term limits. It’s called your vote.

Term limits are just the abdication of the responsibility of the populace.

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Reid reads into the Congressional record that “we have lost the war.” Pelosi calls the commander of our troops in ther field a liar in a national broadcast. Sounds like what we need to put back in Congress if they guarantee they will raise our taxes and raise unemployment. Yeah, thats the ticket.

volsense on July 8, 2008 at 2:42 PM

You determine term limits. It’s called your vote.

Term limits are just the abdication of the responsibility of the populace.

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Checkmated by pork. Incumbents buy longevity. You can’t eliminate one of the most basic traits of human nature in voters,..greed.

a capella on July 8, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Its time to throw ALL the bums out.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM

How about a law establishing a minimum number of votes for an election to be valid? Then selective boycotts of elections.

JiangxiDad on July 8, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Dear Democrats!

This happened on YOUR WATCH! You can’t blame Bush or anyone but YOURSELVES! You can’t tell us voters to go “F” ourselves because you work for US! Whoops! So now what? Looks like your policies aren’t exactly working like your thought they would when you voted for them! How do you now blame someone else for your failure? You will need CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, StarTribune, PBS, NPR and every other media ally to spin this one into a conservative problem…and the Republican Party will have…no…answer…sigh…wimper…sigh…

sabbott on July 8, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Is it possible for them to reach negative digits?

CP on July 8, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Romeo13 on July 8, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Not exactly. The President could issue an executive order returning ANWR to the State of Alaska. The Constitution has explicit requirements under which the Federal Government is allowed to take control of land (roads, military bases, post offices, admin buildings, etc.)… and ANWR hasn’t been used in any of the Constitutionally allowed ways in the 20 years since Congress seized that land.

A similar approach could be taken with other areas…

dominigan on July 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Disagree. I’ve seen no evidence that outrage over pork is driving these numbers.

flenser on July 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM

It is, indirectly. Pork creates “career” Congressmen. That’s where the mischief lies.

a capella on July 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM

You determine term limits. It’s called your vote.

Term limits are just the abdication of the responsibility of the populace.

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Good point, Spirit. On the other hand, incumbents have name recognition through the media which is automatically “free advertising” so to speak. Most voters don’t pay attention to how their congressional representatives vote, they just vote a party line, or they recognize their name from the news.

Special K on July 8, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Juan McVain does better in polling than generic Republicans.

amerpundit on July 8, 2008 at 2:19 PM

As a conservative, not much comfort when the institution he is a prominent face of is in single digit approval.

Used car salesmen are more trustworthy.

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Nancy Pelosi prefers to see the glass as 9% full, rather than 91% empty.

Grrrrl power!

jeff_from_mpls on July 8, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Richard Disney on July 8, 2008 at 2:28 PM

I would agree but the high gas prices are due to laws already passed and needs the congress to recind those laws to fix the problem they created. So as far as gas prices go Congress is needed to fix it only because they caused it. I would like the President to declare martial law on the up to 50 miles off the coast

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM

How about we commemorate this momentous occasion with an honorary Paint creation?

MB007 on July 8, 2008 at 3:00 PM

dominigan on July 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Nope, because the Polar Bear is now endangered, any drilling permits would be held up in court unless Congress changes those laws.

Same with offshore drilling… there are just too many avenues of attack for the Enviro’s unless Congress steps in.

Case in point, out in the desert in California, is a HUGE miles long way deep strip mine. In the 80’s some enviros (including my brother) came up with the idea of taking the garbage from S. Calif, using the already existing rails which went there, recycling everything they could, then using the rest as land fill to correct the damage already done.

10 years later, it went out of business because it was tied up in court. S. Calif still has a trash problem, and we still have a big hole in the desert…

Romeo13 on July 8, 2008 at 3:01 PM

The President could issue an executive order returning ANWR to the State of Alaska.

dominigan on July 8, 2008 at 2:51 PM

Seriously, why hasn’t this been suggested? At least cede back the area where the drilling would occur.

CP on July 8, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Now, just why in the H3LL do we want to give ANYONE from that body a PROMOTION?

Romeo13 on July 8, 2008 at 2:23 PM

I don’t.

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 3:01 PM

o/t

Bogeyfre on July 8, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Check out the movie 1776 based on the musical. Well worth watching and I think you would enjoy it.

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 3:03 PM

a capella on July 8, 2008 at 2:45 PM

I might add that many of the recipients of that pork who re-elect their man as a result, are also those with such a bad opinion of Congress. Irony in spades. I’ve got a feeling most congresscritters would be opposed to term limits and would vote against it.:)

a capella on July 8, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Republicans are having the next election handed to them on a silver platter.

Will they use this opportunity? I have not heard ONE word about the promises made by Reid and Pelosi (to BETTER things in DC)… have you?

And, where is McCain. This is priceless ! Of course, he (and Obama) are all PART OF THE PROBLEM in DC – which is why I wanted Romney.

Oh, and drilling for oil could also get us congress & the WH, but time is running out… the Republicans had better get real LOUD and real Quick.

stenwin77 on July 8, 2008 at 3:04 PM

The problem stems from the increasingly bitter differences between Right and Left. The Right, IMO, stands for liberty, responsibility, small government, etc. while the Left is increasingly Socialist. They Left the center long ago and are being driven more and more by the lunatic fringe part of the party that demands the right to micro-manage the lives of all of us.

DerKrieger on July 8, 2008 at 3:04 PM

I hope somebody competent takes over the GOP and fixes the communications/PR function as their first priority. Right now the GOP and White House communications/PR functions are an abomination!

TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Did the no-drill Democrats block Nancy Pelosi’s secret plan to lower gas prices? Or did the secret plan turn out to be the latest “how can we fool them today”.

tarpon on July 8, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Rush joked today that those polled may not know democrats, not Bush, are in charge of Congress. I laughed but hey, who knows? They may not know democrats are in charge.

Sue on July 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Demonstrates how inadequate the RNC and it’s spawns are in getting across the conservative choices (supposedly until they get power-hungry statist) versus pure Marxism on the left.

Either way, it’s gonna be a very expensive four years because of the decreased accumulation by We The People of life, liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Because instead of standing firm in those things dear to Americans; most Americans would rather “get along” (a la McVain and the ‘Weather as Climate Change Arrogance Crowd’ and acquiesce to Leftists who despise capitalism.

I’ll stop there and get off my soapbox.

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Alaska should secede and then sell ANWR oil to the 49 states.

DerKrieger on July 8, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Congress is merely providing the rough draft for the Supreme Court. They don’t make the decisions anymore. The law means nothing until 5 guys in black tell us what it means.

gridlock2 on July 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Both of our candidates for the Presidency(the viable ones) are from the worst Congress in History.

Can’t wait to see what the future holds.

cntrlfrk on July 8, 2008 at 3:14 PM

“…that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of those Ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it…” Simple enough. We should ALL agree to meet in D.C next Fourth of July. Bring all your friends. Groups of 100 will nominate a Delegate, the delegates will meet to draft a list of the failures of OUR elected officials. Present our litany of abuses, along with a pledge for each member of congress to sign: I will behave ethically for the remainder of my term, I will conduct the peoples business and be thrifty with THEIR money, I will not run for any elected position again, as I have failed to live up to my oath to the American people. I am sorry.
We could do it. We AMERICANS need to march like the illegals do, trying to secure rights they dont have in their own country, from our elected officials. Come for the Fourth, but be prepared to stay for the month. They wont go down willingly, but they have forgotten, completely, that it is our government, not theirs.

Lunkinator on July 8, 2008 at 3:17 PM

Alaska should secede and then sell ANWR oil to the 49 states.

DerKrieger on July 8, 2008 at 3:10 PM

That’s good.

right2bright on July 8, 2008 at 3:17 PM

I think I just saw a wheel fall off

LimeyGeek on July 8, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Checkmated by pork. Incumbents buy longevity. You can’t eliminate one of the most basic traits of human nature in voters,..greed.

a capella on July 8, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Logically next-step assertion, since voters are driven by greed, voters will not determine optimal government – remove vote to optimize outcome.

[...]Most voters don’t pay attention to how their congressional representatives vote, they just vote a party line, or they recognize their name from the news.

Special K on July 8, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Yes, that might be true for some voters. Which just means we need better media penetration.

I would note that term limits would come with their own problems though. If you limit the time a thief can spend in your house, he will just work more quickly.

Term limits have already caused a crippling effect in the later portion of the second term of the executive. No need to follow one error with another.

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 3:21 PM

I recently got in an argument with a Dem about the Dem-controlled Congress. After both of us agreed that the Dem-controlled Congress has not accomplished anything meaningful, I asked him why he and other Dems aren’t angrier with their leaders for being so ineffectual and why they are still apparently donating and volunteering like crazy for these guys, who haven’t done a single thing they said they’d do when they won in 2006. I pointed out that, unlike the Rep-led Congress, which at least often tried to push the points we Republicans wanted them to but failed because they didn’t have enough of a majority or were foiled by the moderate Repubs in the Senate, the Dems HAVEN’T EVEN TRIED 95% of what they were presumably sent there by their voters to do. They haven’t even tried. The Dem I was talking to defended their lack of effort by saying, “Why should they try when they know they don’t have enough of a majority to succeed? It would just be a waste of time.” Ooooookay, then. He’s totally willing to forgive them for not trying to persuade some moderate Republicans to their side, for not putting it out there for a vote, for not trying to gin up public fervor to support their causes and pressure the Republicans and the president to capitulate. For not using any of the tools at their disposal to bring about the change they supposedly so desperately want.

Don’t get me wrong–I’m glad the Dems aren’t doing a damn thing. But I just can’t grok why the Dem voters are so willing to forgive their leaders’ complete and total lack of effort. I can forgive failure after making an effort, but I can’t overlook not even trying. After all, the only way to guarantee failure is to never try.

aero on July 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM

One of the major problems in the House is that the longest-serving members are all committee chairmen and ranking members (of the minority party) whose districts have a lopsided electorate in favor of their own party, so there is never any real opposition to them from their constituents.

In the relatively few swing districts, which either party can win, and which determine which party controls the House, the Representatives tend to get voted out after a few terms, and never become committee chairs. So the districts which control the partisan balance in the House have little control over policy, because they frequently elect freshmen, while policy is driven by committee chairs from lopsided districts who can pursue radical agendas with impunity, regardless of what the wider electorate thinks.

The Left Coast will never run San Fran Nan out of office until she retires or dies, so voters in Ohio, Indiana, or Pennsylvania need to realize that a vote for a seemingly centrist Democrat for a House seat is a vote to put Pelosi two heartbeats from the Presidency, and have liberal drivel rule the People’s House for two years.

Republican challengers in swing districts need to rally around an anti-Pelosi program, and an Energy From America platform, in favor of shale oil development, offshore drilling, and nuclear power. They need to tell the voters not to be fooled by so-called centrist Blue Dog Democrats, who will fall in line behind Pelosi once they’re elected.

Steve Z on July 8, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 3:21 PM

If not for term limits Bush would have never been reelected and we would be in Clinton’s 4th term.

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Alaska should secede and then sell ANWR oil to the 49 states.

DerKrieger on July 8, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Ahh, and they called Alaska Seward’s Folly when it should be McVain’s Folly since he voted against drilling in such “pristine” and revered places.

I had no idea frozen tundra was a Great Wonder of the World.

And congress cannot fathom why Americans, without factoring in margin of error?, can’t even approve of their conduct 10%?

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I doubt that, but regardless, I have to say ‘And?’

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 3:21 PM

If not for term limits Bush would have never been reelected and we would be in Clinton’s 4th term.

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

You mean the guy that never got more than 50% of the vote?

jukin on July 8, 2008 at 3:30 PM

If not for term limits Bush would have never been reelected and we would be in Clinton’s 4th term.

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

And buried beneath a heaping pile of ash.

fogw on July 8, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Lunkinator on July 8, 2008 at 3:17 PM

As long as it is not in Philadelphia (if I want to be insulted for no reason by strangers then I’d rather go to sadism club) count me in for at least a month.

Branch Rickey on July 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Steve Z on July 8, 2008 at 3:25 PM

The biggest problem in the house is that the number of memebers has not changed since the early 1900’s. the house was designed by the founders to increase with an increase in population. In the early 1900’s we had 100 million people we now have 300 million. That means our vote is worth 2/3 less then it was in 1900.

the reason it has not increased? Is because the house has control over it and does not wan to share its power. We need to triple the house seats. and peg it to population like the founder wanted it too.

We can do this by ratifing the first amendment in the bill of rights. It was never ratified however, there is no tmie limit on it so if 2/3rds of the states ratifies it it becomes the law of the land. it states:

After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.”

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I think they forgot to mention the 15 point margin of error. They could be below 0%!

trs on July 8, 2008 at 3:34 PM

I doubt that, but regardless, I have to say ‘And?’

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 3:30 PM

and do you remember the problems that were started the last time we had a 4 term president. problems like social security that we as a nation are still dealing with.

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:35 PM

and do you remember the problems that were started the last time we had a 4 term president. problems like social security that we as a nation are still dealing with.

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:35 PM

I sure do. But that’s the point, isn’t it. If the people elected someone 4 times, they are executing the will of the people – it’s representative. I don’t have to agree with the outcome, but just because I don’t agree doesn’t mean I should automatically torque the process.

And for those who would like to create term limits for Congress, I’d hope they would review JQA and his long-term battle with the gag order. His longevity, and his perseverance preserved the right to petition the government and preserve a Constitutional right. Quite literally, if term limits were in place, that right would now be breached significantly.

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 3:40 PM

good points. i’m on the fence with term limits. I would rather see an increase in house seats to give the people more power.

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM

No argument from me.

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2008 at 3:46 PM

If not for term limits Bush would have never been reelected and we would be in Clinton’s 4th term.

unseen on July 8, 2008 at 3:26 PM

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I seriously doubt it. Perot got far less support his second try, not to mention a third or fourth, and Perot is the only reason Billy got in (both times) – that was the true meaning of ‘triangulation’. Why do you think Billy gave Perot’s wife the SS remittance business – just for grins?

Think_b4_speaking on July 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM

I’m surprised this congress registered 9%.

Vote the rotten bums out…all of them!

byteshredder on July 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM

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