McCain: I’ll balance the budget by cleaning up entitlement programs
posted at 9:29 am on July 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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John McCain will send a message to fiscal conservatives this week: he’ll take on entitlement programs in his first term. Pledging to balance the budget in four years, McCain will cut waste and begin overhauling Social Security and Medicare, a bold vision that presents an opportunity and a risk for the Republican. George Bush saw his second term run aground on the shoals of Social Security reform:
McCain is making the pledge at the beginning of a week when both presidential candidates plan to devote their events to the economy, the top issue in poll after poll as voters struggle to keep their jobs and fill their gas tanks. …
McCain’s emphasis on balancing the budget is likely to excite conservatives, who have remained skeptical of his candidacy, and provoke derision from Democrats, who will argue that it’s a warmed-over version of proposals that President Bush failed to enact.
The Democrats shrug off McCain’s pledge as unrealistic. He has a $400 billion gap to close, as the CBO predicts that kind of deficit in 2013 under current budget plans. Can McCain possibly do that with a combination of entitlement reforms and surgical excision of waste? McCain believes he can, and points to the essential problem in a speech he will deliver this morning:
This Congress and this Administration have failed to meet their responsibilities to manage the government. Government has grown by 60 percent in the last eight years. That is simply inexcusable. When I’m president, I will order a stem to stern review of government, modernize how it does business and save billions of dollars. I will veto every single bill with wasteful spending. We aren’t going to continue mortgaging this country’s future for things Americans don’t want or need.
My opponent has a very different record on this issue. He has sought millions upon millions of dollars in earmarks since his election to the Senate. In 2007 alone, Senator Obama requested nearly $100 million for earmark projects. I have never asked for a single earmark in my entire career. He supported the $300 billion pork laden agricultural subsidy bill. I opposed it. He voted for an energy bill stuffed with give-aways to oil companies at a time of record profits. I voted against it.
We grew spending by over 35% from 2000, when we had a $2.0 trillion budget. Some of that went to the war effort, but plenty of it came in other discretionary spending. And, as McCain tells Politico, the real spending problem isn’t in discretionary programs but in entitlements. The explosion of spending threatens to overwhelm the federal budget over the next few decades, but already accounts for 58% of federal spending.
In real terms, we have increased entitlement spending by 759% over the last 43 years. In 2007 dollars, we spent $582 billion in 1965, and in 2007 that has transformed into a $2.5 trillion boondoggle. What’s worse, the rate of increase has speeded up. We have added more than a half-trillion dollars over the last five years. It took 43 years to add a half-trillion 2007 dollars to discretionary spending.
McCain at least puts entitlements on the table as a problem in the bloated federal budget. Barack Obama has only mentioned entitlements in terms of expanding them, adding new taxes as a way to redistribute capital through the federal government. A real agent of change would offer solutions rather than the hair of the dog.
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It’s a mixed bag. Some have more recently just won, in Washington state??
Also, regular people like I say so. I guess I’m a libertarian/conservative work-in-progress kind of person, and I find McCain completely disingenuous on the topic. Now you might say polls show it’s a winner for him. You may be right. But that wouldn’t have much to do with whether it was a conservative position or not. And that’s what much of this argument is about. Not whether McCain should do x or y to win, but whether his actions are conservative.
Imo, even if one decides McCain’s positions aren’t conservative, that’s not absolutely a reason not to vote for him.
JiangxiDad on July 7, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Hot Topic.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I might be more inclined to get all giddy if Mr. McCain had not proposed giving illegals Social Security benefits.
SouthernGent on July 7, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Name one place where the citizens think it is an asset.
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Actually it does reduce emissions, and they learned from the SO2 that it can be done more effectively, with at least leveling the playing field for those who achieve. Not saying I agree, just pointing out a statement about cap and trade.
Try this link.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:28 PM
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Cap and Trade from McCains financial advisor, Steve Forbes:
All of which should make congress pause before doing real economic damage in the name of saving us from Al Gore’s hallucinations. One of the most damaging proposals is a cap-and-trade system to limit greenhouse gas emissions. The idea is that each year the government will mandate an overall amount of permissible emissions. This cap will gradually be reduced, which, in turn, will pressure businesses to reduce their output of greenhouse gases. A company, such as a utility plant, that cuts back its emissions could sell its credits to an outfit that wants to build a facility that would emit the gases.
Apart from the fact there’s no proof carbon dioxide has any impact on global temperatures, a cap-and-trade system will create an economic disaster. The government–i.e., politics–will decide how quotas are allocated. Already a bevy of companies like DuPont and Duke Energy are proffering ideas on how to do this–ideas that just happen to have particular benefits for them. The artificial scarcity cap-and-trade creates will increase the cost of energy and electricity, making U.S. companies less competitive at a time of intensifying global competition. The EU has had a cap-and-trade system since 2005, and it has already boosted power prices between 5% and 10%.
Fraud will become a fact of life. Plants in developing countries that claim they’ve reduced emissions are selling credits, but in many cases the reductions are fictions.
Moreover, a cap-and-trade program doesn’t work. In 2006 emissions in EU countries participating in the cap-and-trade program went up while U.S. emissions went down. In other words, free-market pricing leads to fewer outputs of carbon. EU bureaucrats are busily revising their scheme. It turns out they set their cap too high. But revamping the project has raised a storm of protest from European industrialists–they fear the extra costs will force them to move facilities elsewhere.
So, while technically correct that C&T is not a tax per se, you can see that it would hardly be considered and economic boon.
Passing on the cost of energy through this scheme, though not a “tax” on paper, effectively equates to one, yes?
catmman on July 7, 2008 at 6:28 PM
The team that broke the color barrier.
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 6:29 PM
So the more than fifty percent of our citizens that want to stop illegal immigration are on the fringe?
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 6:29 PM
VokMagic:
In 2006 I voted for Hostettler here in Indiana. He got beat my more than 30 points by a blue dog Democrat. Hostettler was something of a paleo. He was not a big supporter of the war and he based his entire campaign on immigration. After all the pundits swore it would help him. It did not.
My point is that overall this issue has not worked out for conservatives the way some people said it would. I am not saying that we do not need to secure the border or anything else. But the tenor of the debate certainly did not help Republicans in any way. And the people who did not support the hardline approach were not damaged the way some people thought they would be either.
So the idea that McCain has no credibility on the issue is not really true. He is running for President and Tancredo is history.
Terrye on July 7, 2008 at 6:32 PM
In lowering the SO2 standards, the world has taken on our initial cap and trade from 1990 clean air act.
Sulfer Dioxide was reduced substantially, btw, that was fought tooth and nail, but now it is proved to be very successful.
I don’t know about the CO2 stuff, I am unconvinced, but the capt and trade program was successful.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Righto.
And I’d be more inclined to take McCain seriously on the budget if he had half a clue about cap and trade, taxes, commerce, ANWR, and global warming. Not to mention his self-admitted ignorance on economics. So Morrissey’s gentle spin on this subject only looks like pure shilling for a candidate who knows less than most commenters on this blog.
Redhead Infidel on July 7, 2008 at 6:34 PM
I should have said that Cap and Trade doesn’t require that emissions be cut, (although they could be by reducing our production by cutting energy use, and thereby reducing our GNP and national wealth).
And the reason emissions don’t have to be cut is because the offending “polluter” has the option to pay someone else who is not deemed to be polluting that much.
Now who pays whom? Who decides? It’s all political. So far, Al Gore has reportedly reaped $100 million from carbon credits his “company” sells.
An actual Kyoto cap on emissions is bad enough. But cap and trade adds insult to injury.
If you want to offer reasons to support John McCain, this and his amnesty plan last year are by far the worst.
If I had to bet, I would say McCain will walk away from cap and trade before long.
JiangxiDad on July 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Funny, he say cap and trade does not work, but it did with the SO2 problem…
Greater minds then us…
I think it worked (and still does) great with SO2, a real pollutant, I just don’t get the CO2 effect.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Speaking for yourself I presume?
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 6:37 PM
When the Republicans pushed the liberal Bob Dole on the conservatives, that did not work either.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 6:38 PM
That would be my bet, the standards may be placed for “real” pollutants to save face.
I just don’t get the CO2 connection.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:38 PM
right2bright
Don’t you think you should find out about it then? The WSJ called McCains global warming plans the biggest expansion in the Federal government since the New deal.
But I suppose they are just another “anti McCain site”, which is your way of dismissing anything you don’t want to hear.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Terrye:
Here’s a Utah politician who just won big time on an anti illegal immigration platform:
“Rep. Cannon’s Defeat in Utah Marks Victory for Immigration Control”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27220
JiangxiDad on July 7, 2008 at 6:40 PM
NotsoBright:
No, not pushing an agenda, like you the hack; rather articulating principles and sticking to them. Big difference.
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 6:41 PM
If my company tried a swindle like Gore is doing, I would probably go to jail.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 6:42 PM
The WSJ;
And remember that McCains also wants to increase the US population by 30% at the same time that he wants it’s CO2 emissions to drop by 30%.
Better buy a bicycle.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Entitlements must be reformed. Not to do so is nothing short of criminal.
I do trust John McCain on this. When he was yelling for years that we need more troops, he was right.
Ending the status quo on spending and stopping the gravy train is absolutely necessary. Half the country will require frontal lobotomies to get it done, but, hey, I wouldn’t mind wielding the scalpel, myself. Can’t decide if I should take on Durbin first or go for Pelosi and Reid all at the same time.
I think I hear Fred whispering in John’s ear, don’t you?
redneck hippie on July 7, 2008 at 6:45 PM
What do you mean Gringo! They are not doing Juan and me any good at all! They are both mucho stupido as they are just riling you nativist Gringos up! They are both hereby FIRED!!!
VinyFoxy on July 7, 2008 at 6:45 PM
I lost count on all your contradictions and red herrings that any further arguments by you are mute and inconsequential.
BTW, congratulations. I had just decided to vote for Senor Juan McVain but you have convinced me to stay home.
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 6:45 PM
I can find no reference in political history that giving the election to an opposing party so they can fail has any justification.
It is the strangest scenario that I have ever read. I wonder who would think of such a thing.
I know, I will lose the first game of a three games series to lull my opponent to sleep. Maybe this is better, we let the lions kill the first three guys, so by time they get to us they will be know they have won…sorry I can’t think of any analogy to support such a stupid concept, let the other win so we can win…just weird.
Don’t they realize that every misstep will be analyzed, and the blame will be placed on the previous party? So that guarantees them 4 years, and the election. So now they have 8 years.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Hostettler lost by 22 points, and here is the reason why.
It was the money.
VolMagic on July 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:37 PM
We are talking of the economic impact.
And your comparing apples to oranges. Sulfur dioxide is not a beneficial environemtal gas, it is indeed, a pollutant. CO2 is a completely differen monster.
And you see the effect from Europe? You said that wherever it is tried it has been beneficial. This is not true.
catmman on July 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM
fixed
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Are you just driving by, and decided to throw out insults? That helps…
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Better quit breathing.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Later MCVAINophiles. Enjoy losing. Georgia’s gonna Obama…..
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 6:48 PM
More WSJ:
The Warner-Lieberman bill was identical to an earlier global warming bill, the McCain-Lieberman bill.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 6:49 PM
I’ve said this in forums battleing libs 6 months ago…..GW stepped into a dem’crat IED set 40+ yrs ago..ie SS, Medicare, Medicare Mandated untouchable spending bills…never reviewable as at least the farm bill is….just auto. spending increases…..
McCain got Gravita’s……….the least downside risk
sbark on July 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Then you, the presumptive nominee and the gang of 14 shouldn’t have pissed on conservatives who are were the republican bases; whether you like our principles or not.
DEWEY WINS!
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM
By sending your illegals to the U.S., you are advocating murder.
So all of the illegal will have to stop breathing.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM
“What’s this?” thought John McCain. “I can feel nothing warmer at all! That is terrible. Am I stupid? Am I a flat-earther? Am I a denier? Have I not fit to be President? That would be the most dreadful thing that could happen to me. “Oh, it is very hot!” McCain said aloud. “It has my highest approbation.” And McCain nodded in a contented way, and gazed outside, for he would not say that he felt no Global Warming. The whole entourage that he had with him looked and looked, and felt no warming, any more than the rest; but, like John McCain, they said, “It is so warm!” and counseled him to always say that he felt so very warm when he was out in public. “It is so warm, hot even!” went from mouth to mouth. On all sides there seemed to be general warming, and John McCain gave Al Gore the title of Imperial Master of Global Warming Science.
So John McCain went in procession, and every one in the streets said, “How incomparable warm it is! What a warm day it is!” No one would let it be perceived that he could not feel warming, for that would have shown that he was not fit for his office, or was very stupid or a flat-earther or a denier. No day of John McCain’s had ever been as warm as this one.
“But I’m freezing my ass off out here!” a little child cried out at last. “Just hear what that innocent says!” said the father: and one whispered to another what the child had said. “But it is cold out here!” said the whole people at length. That touched John McCain, for it seemed to him that they were right; but the thought within himself was, “I must go through with feeling all the Global Warming. I do not dare to do otherwise” And so he held himself a little higher, and his aides held on tighter than ever, and proclaimed the Global Warming which did not exist at all.
MB4 on July 7, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Well you tell me. I have read extensively, most of the papers by Timothy Ball, and Richard Lindzen and just a couple of others others (Stephen Schneider, Crispin Tickell, and Lowell Point).
Maybe you could add to them, they are probably not as versed as you.
You correct them (Ball and Lindzen) and you will have my admiration and respect.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Radicals aren’t always wrong.
VolMagic on July 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM
The emperor has no clothes.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM
LOL. Hans Christian Andersen voted for Barry Goldwater!
RushBaby on July 7, 2008 at 6:59 PM
What is this a conservative round up?
Good Lord people… get a grip.
You have 2 choices… figure it out or don’t freaking vote.
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 7:02 PM
No, No Gringo! Not murder! Just some home improvement. We upper class in Mexico just want to get rid of some of our lower class rif and raf that’s all. They are just too expensive and you Gringos got plenty of extra pesos for their schools and hospitals and jails anyway.
VinyFoxy on July 7, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Most just do not want another Bob Dole pushed on them.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 7:04 PM
We were talking Cap and Trade.
And you are correct, at first it was a success ( Europe), then it began to fail, free market makes the cap and trade work, controlled socialists markets do not.
There is no “world wide” system that will work because so many of the economies are controlled so differently.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 7:04 PM
What kind of dictator are you anyway, you forgot about Mexican Restaurants.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM
What kind of damn choice is that? Being hung by a soft rope or a stiff one? One bastard goes in another one comes out! I prefer to fight!
Tuco on July 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM
So you just want to hogtie the U.S. economy?
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM
That is priceless, quoting Mario Salvo as a solution. The conservatives going to the radical free speech movement of the 60’s for guidance.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 7:12 PM
John and Tuco…
Well well why don’t you talk to the GOP, and ask them WHY so many came out and Said “OH PICK ME, I wanna be the President!”
Hey my Person didn’t make it either, but I am not going to let B.H.O. take over my country. And that is what you all have to think about.
Stop arguing, get at least somewhere in the middle and agree. Start a Petition if Mccain goes for amnesty then he should be kicked out of office. As you should ALL do with your Elected Officials!
You choose them to be your voice…. If they don’t want to be, then maybe it is time to show them who is the Boss! Which is US, the American People!
I am sorry but this irks me. I don’t want this to go the Way of Carter again… And I am sure NONE of you want higher anything, gas, taxes, food. It is time to stand up… make what we have left as a nominee either work with us, or show him that he is not the ruler and we are not going to take it.
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM
Rather then throw out barbs at people who are posting, why don’t you take a stab and actualy post something of worth.
You guys (like Branch ritchy and others) just throw barbs without any real substance.
At least pundits like MB4 will post something that others can debate, you just throw darts.
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 7:15 PM
The irony being the same as saying he would appoint justices of the kind that find McCain-Feingold to be insupportable. After all, McCain’s name
iswas on this abomination, and still has the name of his close adviser and friend, Joe Lieberman.JiangxiDad on July 7, 2008 at 7:16 PM
You go girl!
JiangxiDad on July 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Idiot!
sabbott on July 7, 2008 at 7:22 PM
right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 7:12 PM
Actually, I was quoting Anonymous who was paraphrasing Salvo. And, like I said, radicals aren’t always wrong. But, since you don’t like that one, how about this:
That, perhaps, better sums up what I was getting at.
VolMagic on July 7, 2008 at 7:23 PM
right2bright
First, you are the one who said “I don’t know about the CO2 stuff”. Forgive me for making the mistake of believing anything you said.
Second, I’m amused that you mocked VolMagic for quoting somebody on the left while you yourself cite people like Tickell. Apart from not being a scientist, he’s very left-wing.
Last, I’m referring to the economics of the matter, not the science of global warming. McCains global warming plans call for very big government, very expensive government.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Hey, I think your sudden interest in posts of “real substance” is just great. Any chance that you’ll ever make a response of real substance to my remarks earlier on McCains lack of a record on fiscal conservatism?
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Thanks
But I am so tired of the bitching back and forth over BULLSHIT!
Lets get over it people.. Start a damn petition about Amnesty! If McCain goes thru with it.. kick his ASS out of Office!
Anyone else think I am wrong with this senerio… please tell me!
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 7:27 PM
ugh my post aren’t showing up again.
Ed.. are the Hot Air Gods mad at me again?
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Let’s see what happens after the conventions……….
Seven Percent Solution on July 7, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Indeed. It just brings out the idiots, yes I did say idiots, who hate McCain so much that they just slam him at every chance. JUAN MCSHAMNESTY!!!!
I just like to read the stupid, yes I did say stupid, comments and laugh my ass off.
carbon_footprint on July 7, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Nope the Internets lines just freeze up in Alaska.
carbon_footprint on July 7, 2008 at 7:41 PM
I went to Talkeetna and got a Sunburn at 78 degrees this weekend, and now it is 58 and rainy. But nope, not global cooling right now.
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 7:45 PM
And, just to be clear, how is the sentiment expressed in the quote qualitatively different from the quote at the top of AoSHQ?
VolMagic on July 7, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Juan McBernie – out of touch elitist.
Elites look at working-class anxiety over illegal immigration and see only nativism. What elites don’t, or won’t, see is that the working classes are pressed harder by the presence of illegal immigrants, in ways that typically don’t affect academics, media types or affluent suburbanites.
- Rod Dreher
MB4 on July 7, 2008 at 7:48 PM
You and Gilda should hang out. She’s into the whole “gales of derisive laughter” thing, too.
Redhead Infidel on July 7, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Can’t we all come together?
If not because of the right thing but to make sure the wrong doesn’t get elected?
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 7:56 PM
That’s known as groupthink. This isn’t the Republican National Committee official blog. This is supposed to be a conservative blog. Can you please stop advocating the silencing of ideas? Thanks.
fossten on July 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM
No.. either eat it or suck this thing called a moose nugget.
If you don’t like my ideas, which are valid then lets get Fred to head a petition on Amnesty (like that is going to happen) or the fact people can sign in Newt (which would be another big mistake).
So where do you go from here….
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Very mature. Shouldn’t you be on the Dr. Seuss blog?
fossten on July 7, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Aren’t you the same reject that constantly gives me crap about alternative energy and ANWR even thought you have never been there?
Hmmmm maybe it is you that should stop and think about the upcoming future. I hope you aren’t independently wealthy or even middle class. God help you for the gift of the Obamessiah is close at hand.
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 8:07 PM
No, I’m not. But feel free to research if you don’t believe me.
Aren’t you the one who just a few minutes ago advocated “coming together,” and now you call me a reject? You keep practicing what you preach and stay classy.
So you’ve gone from groupthink to name calling to fearmongering in three consecutive posts. That’s pretty emotional.
Don’t you worry about me. I’m getting prepared as we speak. I hope you don’t have all your money in those ever-so-unreliable Federal Reserve Notes.
fossten on July 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM
McCain is the wrong, just as much as Obama.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 8:12 PM
As an afterthought, the independently wealthy (I’m assuming you mean a certain definition of the phrase) don’t pay income taxes. In case you didn’t know.
fossten on July 7, 2008 at 8:14 PM
You attacked me first… I am just returning the favor. If you want to be rude and immature then you should start by making yourself a better bumpkin and not think others around are so fair minded.
Us Alaska chicks are known to kick ass and I don’t back down. Welcome to the real world buddy. God help you if you ever met a alpha female that is worse then myself.
I never said he wasn’t, but he isn’t Obama. But did you happen to read my 7:13 post? And if not, please go back and look and tell me your thoughts. Bad, good or indifferent… it doesn’t hurt to express an opinion in which could help and not hinder.
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM
You obviously do not know anyone wealthy.
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Please show me where I attacked you. I said that what you were advocating was groupthink and the suppression of ideas. You responded by telling me to suck a moose nugget. Please feel free to review the transcript, Miss Kettle.
Oh, we’re buds now? Sorry, not impressed. All I see is a scared female emo poster who has no ability to debate an issue on the merits, but only lashes out in an emotional appeal and personal attacks. But hey, we all now know that you want to get the last word, as you’ve admitted it. We also know that you debate in a very immature fashion.
Again, you were the one whining for all of us to come together, but you don’t hesitate to lash out with personal attacks the moment someone addresses you. I’ll bet even in Alaska they call that hypocrisy.
fossten on July 7, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Your 7:13
I’d much rather start a petition to kick McCain out as the GOP nominee. That is a thousand times more feasible than trying to impeach a sitting President.
Yes, now is the time to show them who’s boss. And we don’t do that by rubber-stamping the choices they present to us. If we don’t want socialism then we need to elect somebody other than Obama or McCain.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Lets dump McCain and nominate Palin. Or DeMint. Or a DeMint/Palin ticket. I’ll work for rather than against that ticket.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Good Freaking GOD! Are you so damn dense that you have to keep insinuating crap?
How about this. I don’t want Obama… as you don’t want Obama.. and the fact that most of the other don’t WANT OBAMA!
We have McCain… either way around it. No one seems to like it right now.. yet WTF are the people who voted for him? I don’t see them on this forum and haven’t! I voted for Romney when they took FRED! off in my State… as much as I swallowed at that pill. Yet here we are, pissed off at the world and we have McCain or Obama.
I don’t like McCain’s amnesty crap. I don’t like his offshore spin, it is making me nervous. I also don’t care for a lot of things he has done… BUT… He sure as hell is NOT OBAMA!
emotional… not really. Trying to make a point to someone who obviously doesn’t give a crap about anything but their little friend finder site on their name, is worthless.
You may not like it, but this is life and you get what you are handed.
So what are you going to do Fossten? Sit over in the corner like a child? Vote (heck I will let you whine about it if you want)?
Ugh… people like you and everyone else who complains about McCain aren’t any better then the liberal complaining about Bush.
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 8:31 PM
I think that would work out.. now how to do it is the problem.
I am off to my outside geo job. You have a good night.
upinak on July 7, 2008 at 8:33 PM
You people piss me off. All this talk about perfect coladas and moose nuggets, but you never post recipes.
RushBaby on July 7, 2008 at 8:35 PM
As I say, it would be a lot easier to get rid of McCain now than after he’s elected. To say nothing of Obama if he’s elected.
How to do it? If the GOP voters demand it, how can they not get it? We are the party. Call your state GOP and demand they dump McCain and support the DeMint/Palin ticket.
If we act together we can do it.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM
……… getting more popcorn.
Seven Percent Solution on July 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM
If it didn’t work during the primaries why would it work now?
dedalus on July 7, 2008 at 8:58 PM
If you take income from your business or investments you pay taxes. If your deductions are too high, you pay AMT. If you don’t pay the taxes the IRS will contact you.
Obama intends to raise 15% rate on investments and dividends. It will affect millions of people of varying income levels.
dedalus on July 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Because during the primaries opposition to McCain was divided among several different candidates. And the shortened primary process meant that many people never found out anything about the candidates. Greater knowledge plus greater unity = greater likelyhood of success.
If the inertia of Republicans can be overcome. By my calculations the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy has less inertia than the GOP.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 9:17 PM
So all of the illegal will have to stop breathing.
Johan Klaus on July 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM
LOL balance and symmetry.
maverick muse on July 7, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Robert’s Rules of Orders:
I second that motion.
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM
With all respect to upinak, I would like to see McCain figure out what the hell his political policy actually is. I don’t think he knows himself. I’m also very concerned with his ANWR stance and since his was the deciding vote against it in 2002, I blame him personally. He did that just to spite President Bush, the shitty little bastard. And look how that little temper tantrum worked out for our nation. He is not, nor has he ever been, Presidential material.
The Republican Party better not anoint McCain until he consistently starts acting like a damn Republican.
He owes President Bush and us Republicans an apology.
TexasJew on July 7, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Dumb and dumber anonymous college grad pencil pusher figured that “solution” against the evil establishment aka American society and culture. Even if transfered to industrialization, the lame brain college twit omits the machinist from the picture. Sack the blue collar highly skilled tradesman in preference for a smart-assed inexperienced book learnt college grad ready to break what he doesn’t appreciate because he’s too proud to admit his own inabilities. On the final level: Kill the odious machine, just not YOUR machine; KILL THEIR MACHINE.
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maverick muse on July 7, 2008 at 9:33 PM
In support of the recall of McCain as the “presumptive nominee” of the dwindling republic parrty, I offer the following:
McCain has no clue about economics a la his swallowing of “a carbon footprint” and “Weather! as the hoax of “Global Climate Change.”
McCain thought the “Gang of 14″ was a good idea.
McCain voted twice against the Bush tax cuts on the notion of class envy.
McCain gave Associate Supreme Court Justice the “moveon.org” treatment by dismissing him (and then McCain having to eat his words and vote for him) before this honorable and talented jurist even testified before the judiciary committee.
McCain calling for the Surge was the only good advice he gave the president and, I commend him for having that vision, stuck to his guns.
Conversely, he wants open borders and sucks up to La Raza.
Other than Gen. Petraeus and the coalition forces executing Petreus’ plan to as close to perfection as possible, how will the war be managed differently from Obama? I am serious.
And if we as Americans go all wimpy and fear our lives are over because who is president (we will have an opportunity in 2010 to make a President Obama’s agenda useless if we work hard to elect principled conservatives “down ballot”) then we deserve no better than the cow fart hoax believing / amnesty loving / free speech restricting senator from AZ.
Branch Rickey on July 7, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Our lowering of Sulfur Dioxide is part of the blame for Global Warming. Sulfur Dioxide reflected the Suns rays. It was BAD for us as we were going to Freeze because of it. So much for freezing, stupid environmentalist.
WoosterOh on July 7, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Most of us agree that McCain, left to his own, inevitably strays into lost cause arena. But the idea that McCain loves company can be honed. As a composer, he sucks! But MAYBE he cares enough about the responsibility factor as POTUS that he is willing to assume the conductor’s podium and emmulate Reagan’s executive style–it will all depend on his TEAM. McCain as team leader instead of composer/solo-performer could do a good job, GIVEN A GREAT TEAM. And the GOP has great talent to gather together for this ‘08 ultimate presidency/cabinet TEAM. Republican conservatives need to ally. Garner the best man/woman per position ASAP and get crackin’! Prove unity; quit belly aching and no blow hard rhetoric. The less McCain says, the better. The more any president focuses on coordinating the team instead of being a one-man-band, the better off America is.
maverick muse on July 7, 2008 at 9:45 PM
The hell we are!
Darksean on July 7, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Bravo! Well done, MB4!
Makes the point perfectly. The Senator is stuck, whether he believes it or not, pretending that ‘global warming’ (or at least, ‘climate change’) is real and caused by CO2. But this conflicts with the evident need to burn more American fossil fuel. What to do?
Obvious answer: Admit that there is no ‘global warming’. It’s been cancelled.
MrLynn on July 7, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Catmman, have you got a link?
MrLynn on July 7, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Conservatives don’t have a machine. The liberals have two of them. And some of us would like to kill at least one of them.
flenser on July 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Obvious answer: Admit that there is no ‘global warming’. It’s been cancelled.–MrLynn on July 7, 2008 at 9:57 PM
That man made nightmare dissipates in the light of day.
maverick muse on July 7, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I’ll say, again, how is that any different then:
“Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats”
-Mencken
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VolMagic on July 7, 2008 at 10:16 PM
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