On the cusp of the “most spectacular” victory against Al-Qaeda
posted at 10:50 am on July 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Did you know that the US and Iraq will shortly conclude “one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror”? You wouldn’t if you read American newspapers or watched American television. The Times of London reports on the approaching end of al-Qaeda in Iraq as the forces of Nouri al-Maliki and the US close the trap on 1,200 AQ terrorists in Mosul:
After being forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the past two years, Al-Qaeda’s dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant “last stand” in the northern city of Mosul.
A huge operation to crush the 1,200 fighters who remained from a terrorist force once estimated at more than 12,000 began on May 10.
Operation Lion’s Roar, in which the Iraqi army combined forces with the Americans’ 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, has already resulted in the death of Abu Khalaf, the Al-Qaeda leader, and the capture of more than 1,000 suspects.
How significant will victory in Mosul be? The American commander in the region, Gen. Mark Hertling, calls it “the irreversible point”. It will deprive AQ of an urban base and put them at the mercy of tribal leaders in the countryside. For the terrorists, that means certain death — which will likely force them to find a way out of Iraq without further incident.
Maliki has declared that the terrorist siege of Baghdad and Iraq has collapsed. He blamed unnamed foreign nations for funding the terrorist wave against his nation, and hailed the new Iraqi Army for its tenacity against the radicals of all stripes. While he kept his praise to the Iraqis, the unspoken truth is that the IA could never have survived it without the Bush administration’s shift in strategy and tactics in January 2007, and without George Bush’s tenacity in insisting that we stay and finish the job in Iraq.
And what have we won? AQ has sustained an unmitigated defeat in Iraq. They have lost tens of thousands of recruits and fighters, men that would have otherwise volunteered for other missions in which they didn’t have to face the American military. They have lost their supposedly divine endorsement; why would Allah have called them to action, just to see them destroyed by the infidels? The sheer bloodthirstiness of their actions in Iraq have exposed them as drug-driven demons, not righteous jihadists.
The Times of London has this right: the victory in Mosul gives the West the most spectacular victory of the war. Too bad the American media missed it. (via Instapundit)
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Gen. Patraeus for President in 2012?
jgapinoy on July 6, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Agreed.
jencab on July 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM
MB4 in 5..4..3..2
a capella on July 6, 2008 at 10:57 AM
What are you talking about? Hismessiahness, Obama was the one who did it when he took office in 2009 providing a badly needed course correction. [sic]
Skywise on July 6, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Well, our winning does nothing really to help Obama’s children, now does it?
bbz123 on July 6, 2008 at 10:59 AM
We must kill all 1200 sadly, as the courts have provided that we can’t keep them.
Congrats to the Supremes…..
So, the MSM won’t print/broadcast a victory for our families and friends who are doing the job we asked them to do?
Amazing….
originalpechanga on July 6, 2008 at 11:00 AM
When you talk to people you can really tell who still listens to he drive-by media and who doesn’t.
To paraphrase T. Leary:
Tune out
Turn off
Drop your cable provider
The media has become another front in the war.
Mojave Mark on July 6, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Our media despises the very thought of victory.
flipflop on July 6, 2008 at 11:02 AM
They did not miss it – They are ignoring it.
ordi on July 6, 2008 at 11:02 AM
I was watching that vacuous windbag John Kerry tell us in his most senatorial voice that the US is less safe today than it was five years ago and Bob Scheifer host of “Face the Nation” let him prattle on without challenge. Like two contestants on so you think you can dance. I am a Canadian and even I know that the efforts of the US military in Iraq and their continued support of the mission in Afganistan have made the world a hell of a lost safer. Geez.
Brian Mallard on July 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Defeating Al-Qaeda on the battlefield – any field of battle – was a critical part in showing the fraudulence of their ideological appeal – that war of ideas – for young Muslims.
After all, part of that appeal was, as has often been pointed out, that they were the “strong horse” carrying Islam back to its glory days of its world caliphate.
They shoot horses, don’t they?
SteveMG on July 6, 2008 at 11:09 AM
This warms my heat.
Greatly.
wise_man on July 6, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Maybe it’s time to simply do a “bootleg” around the perfidious MSM… and I’ve got an idea.
How about a Ticker Tape Parade in Manhattan for General Petraeus??
Pres. Bush should arrange/authorize/require the parade and McCain should make sure he’s in town for same.
Life is So Grand!!©
Shivas Irons on July 6, 2008 at 11:12 AM
I heard that Patraeus has refused to even consider entering politics. I wonder why.
Terrye on July 6, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Why wait? There’s still time to put him on the ticket.
Think about it: Pretty much the only thing McCain has going for him is his stance on the Iraq – and Patraeus trumps him royally on that score.
I don’t have a clue how Patraeus stands on immigration or drilling in Anwar. But what are the odds it could be worse?
logis on July 6, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Obama and the like will simply insist that all we have done is kill all the hornets we stirred up by going in there in the first place. And they will continue to blame President Bush for the casualties suffered, which, they say, would not have been inflicted had we simply left the terrorists alone.
jackmac on July 6, 2008 at 11:16 AM
The administration is wisely letting Malaki give public credit to the IA, Iraqi citizens, and the fledgling govenment. But, the world knows who trained the IA, bought time for security development, and gave the Iraqi govenment a hand up. It can’t be hidden by the media, because the results speak for themselves. All the Kerrys, Reids, Murthas and Pelosis can’t spin that
a capella on July 6, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Thanks Ed. I had forgotten to make this great news explicit to my kids, and make it clear who we have to thank. I just did!
JiangxiDad on July 6, 2008 at 11:17 AM
When they turn up lame, yeah.
logis on July 6, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Obviously, Madonna’s divorce is much more interesting news than our troops kicking the bejebus out of a bunch of terrorists.. duh.
The only thing missing is another scenario like 24/7 gavel-to-gavel trial coverage of O.J. ventilating another young blond’s neckline to make Americans completely forget where Iraq even is on a map.
UncleOlaf on July 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Brian:
That is why I stopped watching the Sunday News programs. They just prattle on.
Terrye on July 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM
McCain’s strength is his military experience. Making a general his VP wouldn’t add anything to the ticket.
McCain/Palin ‘08!
jgapinoy on July 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Er… Can we translate this and drop it in leaflets all around Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan too? PLEASE?
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on July 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM
” Oh say can you see…..”
Johan Klaus on July 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I hope Senator McCain gives a little straight talk real soon and spreads the word, with a very direct thank you for President Bush.
JiangxiDad on July 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I’ve said it before, i’ll say it again. If Obama wins he, and the liberals, will take credit for victory in Iraq.
Believe it.
madne0 on July 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I wrote my congressman to suggest that we throw a parade when the last of the surge brigades comes home this month. Also, that we do it for every 4-5 brigades we bring home in the future.
Kafir on July 6, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Silly Kafir. Since when did congresscritters learn to read?
wccawa on July 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Kafir:I wrote my congressman to suggest that we throw a parade when the last of the surge brigades comes home this month. Also, that we do it for every 4-5 brigades we bring home in the future.
Good idea; I’ll write mine as well.
I don’t think I’ll waste any stamps, or emails, on Babs Boxer or DiFi… but I think I will send them a picture of the recent reinlistment in Iraq… that got to hurt’em, eh?
Hell, do you think Murtha might enjoy that picture? And how would he caption it??
Shivas Irons on July 6, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I really hate the U.S. MSM. What ever happened to “all the news fit to print”? Great news, too back we have to get it from a foriegn newspaper.
Hog Wild on July 6, 2008 at 11:32 AM
All volunteer, all powerful, all wonderful…..
Johan Klaus on July 6, 2008 at 11:33 AM
The “Democrats leadership” and “Moveon.org” must be included in the Al Qaeda butt kicking in Iraq. Much credit has to be given to our U.S. military being led by Gen. Patraeus.
byteshredder on July 6, 2008 at 11:39 AM
just love having to get war news from foreign sources…
trailortrash on July 6, 2008 at 11:42 AM
We must kill all 1200 sadly…
Ummm, I vote “gladly”.
catmman on July 6, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Kill them and then feed them to pigs.
SouthernGent on July 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM
MSM: “This is a sad day, when the last pure freedom fighters in the world have been annihilated by a brutal imperialist force working with, well… other… …”
*in hands, simulating cough*
“freedom fighters.”
Mephistefales on July 6, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Hey American press!
PRINT THIS (if you dare)
as the good troopers in 3rd ACR say: AI-EE-YAH!
Limerick on July 6, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Murtha, war hero, purple heart.
” In the first incident, his right cheek was lacerated, and in the second, he was lacerated above his left eye. Neither injury required evacuation,” the Post-Gazette reported. Hell, Murtha was probably punched in the face for lying about a fellow marine.
Johan Klaus on July 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM
This article was linked in the Quote of the Day post earlier. To repeat what I commented there,
MrLynn on July 6, 2008 at 11:59 AM
That’s beautiful! “Putting holes where holes belong.” I love it!
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Catmman
Seconded with authority
History will remember Dubya, contrary to what the liberals squawk, as a liberator of two nations.
Defector01 on July 6, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Afghanistan is where the Dems want to fight, or so they claim right now, but it is less important strategically than Iraq has been. The next big prize, besides Iran, is Afghanistan’s neighbor – Pakistan. Afghanistan can’t be completely pacified until radical Pakistan is dealt with. Well, it looks now like the Pakistani military is willing to take a more active role in that fight which is a sign of confidence that they think they can be successful with U.S. help. Staying the course and finishing the job (in Iraq), goes a long ways to inspire confidence in others (Pakistan).
Bacchus on July 6, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Sadly, you are right. I don’t just blame the media. I blame a complacent, apathetic public that never looks beyond, below, beneath, around, or above the MSM. Welcome to short attention span theater. A sad commentary.
Glynn on July 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Readers of Robert Spencer’s excellent series, Blogging the Qur’an, know the Muslim answer to this is that they weren’t devote enough.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Absolutely. When the Iraqi attack began, very few trusted us to stay the course, thus the reluctance to bet on us and have us turn our backs on them once committed. The victory in Iraq will have many positive effects on troublesome spots down the road, because we aren’t the weak horse we appeared in Somalia, Viet Nam( I know, it was political, not military), and the first Gulf War when we hung them out to dry. Finishing this thing allows other countries to trust our word once again.
a capella on July 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I read this article last night. The first few comments, now at the bottom of the comments list, were quite pathetic.
aikidoka on July 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Don’t be too hard on the American people. They are busy making a living and raising their families to spend time digging for the truth.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Somebody better notify Garrison Keillor. Judging from his column* today, the prairie home complainer doesn’t seem to be aware of all this.
*(Caution: The word ‘column’ is used indiscreetly in this context.)
whitetop on July 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Don’t expect MB4 to show up here.. he’s been defeated just as his fellow losers have.
.
.
Now.
Just for old times.
Let us go way, way back to September for a prediction from the Messiah’s Banal 4th™ brigade troop (otherwise known as MB4):
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I’m telling you, nothing pleases me more about these
AppeasementAss kissing,pacifismpale faces,globalismgoat herding pricks and losers, than to see these many victories over AQ in Iraq..
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And to:
Also to:
I’m not minimizing your predictions, I’m just highlighting the fact that this was mine, also, way back in September:
Now you know why I haven’t frequented this site much.. precisely because of pricks like MB4 and (other such commentators and contributors).
They are not worth my valuable time even if I was paid in gold.
We, with a sound rational mind, know the truth and it sets us free to comment or not… that and I have a very long memory (and organized bookmarks).
P.S.
MB4, you might want to revisit our entire debate that started here:
Mcguyver on July 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM
I blame the media and public education.
Johan Klaus on July 6, 2008 at 12:14 PM
“[E]very lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face—that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight and surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand—the ultimatum. And what then?” —Ronald Reagan
Mcguyver on July 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Leave the condescending elitism toward your fellow Americans to the Left otherwise there won’t be a dimes worth of difference between us. Conservatives believe that the American people are smart and make good decisions for themselves. Don’t confuse ignorance due to a lack of unbiased information with stupidity.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2008 at 12:19 PM
And here I was thinking it stood for MoonBats 4ever!
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I think you’re being a bit hard on him. He is confrontational, likes attention, and has a wee superiority complex, which lessens the reception to what he says, but he does make some worthwhile observations which are a bit unpleasant for the rest. Most of us don’t find echo chambers too stimulating,..I enjoy reading other points of view, even if wrapped in a condenscending package.
a capella on July 6, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Some old soldiers dont want to play that game, he made it this far by not being an insider and kissing ass, I think he will be happy not playing.
Squid Shark on July 6, 2008 at 12:30 PM
condenscending=condescending.
a capella on July 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM
What do you call them when they are both?
Mcguyver on July 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Oh poor MB4, did I hurt you?
……
Crying, “you are a condescending elite”, when one is proven right usually is another stupid trick of the elites to avoid the issue that they are wrong!!
I don’t care what others call me when I’m right, screw them!
Mcguyver on July 6, 2008 at 12:35 PM
I only find one thing surprising in all this.
It’s not surprising that our MSM isn’t reporting it.
It’s not going to be surprising when the defeatists attempt to take credit for it; nor will it be surprising that many Americans forget their colossal flip-flop and let them get away with it.
And it’s not at all surprising that Bush (and McCain) turned out to be proven spectacularly right. It’s wonderful, but not really surprising.
The only surprising thing is that it’s becoming clear so quickly. I thought it’d be at least another 5-10 years before Bush was proven right.
God bless our fighting men for doing something that many thought – and many hoped – would be impossible. And add the Iraqi Army to that.
Watching the Left attempt to spin all this is going to be entertaining.
Professor Blather on July 6, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Okay, I haven’t been here much in recent months – but I’ll have to respectfully disagree with the above, unless MB4 has seriously changes his modus operandi.
If he actually voiced his own opinions, you might be right. But all I’ve ever seen him do is cut and paste long and usually irrelevant quotes from other people.
Googling a good Mark Twain quote and cutting and pasting it where its barely relevant never struck me as a “worthwhile observation.” It always seemed intellectually dishonest and mentally feeble.
Professor Blather on July 6, 2008 at 12:40 PM
The Dems have been against this war because they can’t do war. They have hated the idea that US armed forces have been brilliant and keeping our nation safe. Instead of praising what has been going on, they take the low road and try to template our forces as they did to them in Vietnam (stupid, looser, baby killers). I saw a great bumper sticker in CT yesterday on a NJ (plated) car. “Hey Senator Kerry, kiss my Marine ass”. How many other Democratic senator names could be placed in that spot?
If the Democrats win this coming presidential election, this will become their victory, just like all the benefits the USA enjoyed that Clinton claimed under a Republican House. The Democrats will then put our military in harms way for their own self centered goals. The media will help them erase the history of their supporting the enemies of our country and working against the men and women in uniform of the USA.
Hening on July 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Though I agree the Flypaper Strategy has reduced jihadi stockpiles, the fact is al Qaeda in Iraq is just one example of jihad warfare. Unforutnately that means something like al Qaeda can be reconstitued at any time so long as people follow the Quran and Sunnah. But Islam means peace and it’s my fault for using the word jihad. Yadda, yadda…
Afghanistan, Algeria, Pakistan, and Somalia are erupting as we speak, for example(s).
Beagle on July 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Absolutely.
Because they ‘got us out.’ They were warned that leaving early would be dangerous to the people left behind. Their response? “lets leave them to their own destiny.” They were against ‘the surge’ which ultimately worked. While good news for Iraq and bad news for the terrorists, a US presence in the area keeps the possibility of terrorists coming back, down. Their response? “lets leave, it’s time to go.”
I watched the sunday morning shows, and someone made the point that the soviets didn’t take over western europe because we were there. That the north koreans didn’t attack the south because we were there. Having US troops in places that are dangerous … over years … makes these places less prone to violence. But the democrats’ answer to every question is “lets leave.”
wise_man on July 6, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Understood,..that is part of the superior intellect game he likes to play in order to irritate, and I agree it downgrades what he does have to offer. He did make some decent observations on foreign policy thread a night or two ago, interspersed between the running flame wars with a few commenters. but, he’s been here a lot longer than I, and seems to have earned whatever reputation he’s aiming for.
a capella on July 6, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Anyone out there have the latest on the CHRISTIE BRINKLEY divorce??? How about the rumors about A-ROD and MADONNA, any news on that??? We all know MSM has to keep their priorities in order… Lends credence to the old saying, “what if they gave a war, and nobody came”?
pueblo1032 on July 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM
MB4 will show up with some interesting and amusing quote or witty comment – all strategically illiterate or off-point – more than likely. I like many of his comments, as they’re humorous.
The real drama is what AllahP will say. Let me take a stab.
“Yet McCain faces those 57% in the latest Gallup survey who would rather enjoy a free trip to Kauai than keep US forces in Iraq for longer than 16 months, depending on the stock market. And the 18% of Hillary primary voters who said they’d be taking a look at McCain, who, howevewr, when asked about Iraq thought it was hot there in the summer time”.
AllahP clearly supports and understands and is thrilled by the achievements on the battlefield – I’m just hoping he throws off the shackles of simplified reductionist survey-driven political analysis. Sometimes people voting for president take into account the whole person, and vote for character rather than on narrow issue grounds (make that the majority, most of the time).
IceCold on July 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Democrats.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2008 at 1:05 PM
And yet the Dims still insist that Iraq is still a disaster. We need to stay in Iraq, especially if it is secured, if only to contain Iran. Iraq needs us there–a free and prosperous society on the doorstep of Iran will be intolerable to them, and they will do everything they can to disrupt Iraq.
Obambi needs to be defeated if only for the sake of our strategic position in the middle east.
BryanS on July 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM
American media didn’t miss it, they are deliberately ignoring it to keep Iraq a non-issue for the time being.
Neo on July 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Exactly. Dot bingo on the real drama!
….
Touche!
Mcguyver on July 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Great posting!!
Donald Douglas on July 6, 2008 at 1:18 PM
All it will take is one suicide bomber killing one Iraqi police officer, then the MSM will do a story from Mosul.
Breaking news: Al-Qaeda has beat back the the so-called Operation Lion`s Roar.
ThePrez on July 6, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Estimated at more than 12,000? Estimated by whom? I am curious. The highest estimate of AQI that I was ever privy to was “several hundred to one of two thousand”.
MB4 on July 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Happened before the days of foot tapping he hit his face on the stall divider trying to pass a note.
Wade on July 6, 2008 at 1:56 PM
MB4: just another Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Traitor Democratic Nutbag (TM); nothing to see here, move one…
Dale in Atlanta on July 6, 2008 at 1:58 PM
We (Arabs fighting side by side with the west against extremist Arabs) have defeated one of the most brutal enemies of Freedom the world has ever had to deal with in the central front of the War on Terror and what do we get from democrats,you know,the party that helped send our Soldiers there in the first place:
“The war is lost”
“biggest foreign policy disaster in history”
“Quagmire”
“redeploy to Okinawa”
“Get out of Iraq now!”
“Stop the occupation”
“Bush lied”
“The Sunni,Shia,and Kurds will never work together or achieve political reconciliation”
“The surge will fail,it’s more of the same”
“We can’t stop the bloodshed,they have been killing each other for thousands of years”
“Free Tibet,Save Darfur,Screw Iraq-vote democrat 08″
and a treasonous media black out of our success in freeing 25 million people from one of the most brutal,genocidal,terrorist dictators in history.
It makes me sick to my stomach to see Obama or any democrat
talking about using military force after the way they have sold out this country and stabbed the American Soldier in the back during Vietnam and now Iraq for political gain.
Baxter Greene on July 6, 2008 at 2:02 PM
What is good for Iraq is bad for the Democrats.
EJDolbow on July 6, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Must be hard being MSM/Dem. They have stood on their hind legs bellowing about the evils that Republicans will do for so long now. How much of their soothsaying has actually come to pass?
Remember these?
The repugs are gonna bring back the draft!
Bush will be impeached for war crimes!
This war will break our military!
800,000 dead Iraq civs in just the first three years!
Whacked-out U.S. military on atrocity spree!
It’s a civil war!
We’re just making more terrorist!
The surge cannot work!
War is bad for children and other living things. It’s the children!
And so much more, stated as fact or inevitable.
How did these clowns get congress? Could it be by repeating the above list, and other lies and half-truths until the weak-brained among us got in line?
They didn’t end the war and they sure as hell aint gonna impeach the President.
Anyway; on this Fourth of July weekend I’d like to take an opportunity to thank our President and the military for a job well done. Magnificent Bastards!
The Dems can take credit if they want. I don’t much care what they say at this point. They have no credibility.
dingbat on July 6, 2008 at 2:08 PM
[MB4 on July 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM]
It’s possible the terrorist force and Al Qaeda in Iraq were not intended by the author to be identical in meaning. If I had written it in the same fashion and meant the two to be describe the exact same group I would have said “the terrorist force” instead of “a terrorist force”, the latter being a larger whole of which AQI is a subset.
Think of terrorist force as AQI and it’s allies.
Dusty on July 6, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Defeating Al Qaeda is only half of the battle.
Defeating the worthless, gelded traitors in the absolutely worthless Democrat Party is the other half.
Because as long as Democrats hold power in this country, our enemies will have a chance.
NoDonkey on July 6, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Oh yeah, good for us, the US just removed – secretly – the last of Saddam Hussein’s WMD program:
Another loss for the Democrats… and MB4.. [sniff, sniff]
Mcguyver on July 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM
When we win in Iraq, the Democrats will take credit for it, rewrite history to say they supported it all along, and Obama will turn himself inside out to say he supported the surge, which only worked because of the Democrats.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, the Democrats took credit for it, rewrote history to say that they supported the Cold War all along, and Clinton turned himself inside out to say he supported the Cold War, which only worked because of the Democrats.
Democrats are opportunists who hop on the strong horse as soon as it has won the race and say they were for it all along. Kinda like the way Hillary’s cattle futures deal worked.
Tantor on July 6, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Looks like the jihad could use a few good men.
Maybe Bush is considering closing Gitmo because he knows these guys will go back to jihad, and then our military will kill them. End of jihad, end of SCOTUS shenanigans, at least for a while.
PattyJ on July 6, 2008 at 2:31 PM
“The Times of London has this right: the victory in Mosul gives the West the most spectacular victory of the war. Too bad the American media missed it.”
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The victory in Mosul gives the United States and Iraq a spectacular victory. The nations of the West -much of which populations have been brainwashed to oppose Operation Iraqi Freedom and condemn the United States- are more precisely merely spectacularly ungrateful and blithely ignorant beneficiaries.
DavePa on July 6, 2008 at 2:43 PM
That’s one of the reasons I have absolutely no respect for them at all.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM
I read above that the Iraqis would not be successful without us.
I find that thinking to be repugnant.
I remember the first assemblage of the Iraqi security force was more like the keystone cops than warriors with the big difference being that the keystone cops werent slaughtered at a horrific rate.
From bombings of recruitment stations to the highjacking and execution of busloads of recruits, none of these brutal attacks scared the Iraqis from their crusade.
Now, times have changed and the seesaw has tipped and the ruthless enemy is being eradicated.
Many may ignore the heroism of the many Iraqis that are fighting along side of our finest, but it wont be me God damn it!
Sonosam on July 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Mcguyver on July 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Thanks for the link that proves SH didn’t need to get yellowcake from Niger because he had 550 metric tons already in Iraq. Another neocon/conservative pre-war disinformation meme debunked. Joe Wilson thanks you.
Chimpy on July 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM
They wouldn’t be. Saddam owned them. I also doubt the sectarian carnage would have stopped without our forces.
I haven’t seen any HA posters denigrate the courage of Iraqis. Your description of the early failures just reinforces the point that they didn’t know how to organize an effective, relatively trustworthy military and police force. They couldn’t have done that without us. That isn’t a putdown to their courage and initiative,..they needed help and we provided it.
The Iraqi community is brave. They showed that with the blue fingers after the first election. No one here says otherwise. Don’t be so touchy.
a capella on July 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Here I am!
Oh, I just saw that. Been busy with other things, but it’s nice to know that I was missed. Well not really but my spiritual adviser said that I should be diplomatic every now and then. I must say that I never even heard of “strategically illiterate” though. Did Rush or Sean invent that or maybe Hugh? Shouldn’t that be “strategically unsound” or something like that? I think that Rush would probably say it was “unsound strategerey”.
“Off point”? Was this suppose to be a thread on Juan and Al’s
Idiot Lemming’s DelightApocalyptic Global Warming of something? Or Juan and Teddy’sSellout of AmericaComprehensive Immigration Reform? Or Juan and Russ’sTrash the First AmendmentComprehensive Campaign Reform? Nah, probably not as I don’t think that we have those here.MB4 on July 6, 2008 at 3:56 PM
W freed 2 countries all right, including one that had defeated every superpower attempt to conquer it in modern times, Afghanistan.
Petraeus is a great general, and the US military is the best and bravest there is, but there is only one CiC, and he is the guy who has to decide which general to listen to.
Petraeus and the troops should march down Pennsylvania Avenue, and stand at attention in front of the White House, while W pulls the cord that unfurls a huge “Mission Accomplished” banner!
Let the sound of exploding moonbat craniums echo thourghout the land!
drunyan8315 on July 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Drunyan, I like your idea very much.
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A Victory Parade down Pennsylvania Avenue, from the White House-where Dubya gives a good Thank You and Well Done speech to the troops-to Capitol Hill. Marching soldiers in their combat uniforms, M-16s with fixed bayonets glinting in the sun, American and Regimental flags flying, military bands playing patriotic music, the American people cheering their troops …
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Yeah! All those exploding leftist craniums, all those superannuated Democrat senators and congressmen having hot flashes, all those leftist TV “journalists” tongue-tied in their rage …
DavePa on July 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM
[DavePa on July 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM]
I hope they can get a battleship or two up the Potomac so I can hear them fire their guns, maybe to a rendition of the 1812 Overture.
Dusty on July 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM
On the cusp of the “most spectacular” victory against Al-Qaeda…!
Just where would this be ladies and gents…?
PPP…or [no] Plan [no] Place [no] Planet…!
“…How significant will victory in Mosul be? The American commander in the region, Gen. Mark Hertling, calls it “the irreversible point”. It will deprive AQ of an urban base and put them at the mercy of tribal leaders in the countryside. For the terrorists, that means certain death — which will likely force them to find a way out of Iraq without further incident.
Thanks General Mark… in your dreams!
An old soldier sends from Wisconsin…!
Dear General Mark, folks here in the very bosom of the world’s whole place of God creation don’t really give a real big [bowel] movement, or not, if you believe in us or not…!
We’re just sittin’ here like birds in the wilderness hopin’ before hell freezes over and back… if God, if he doesn’t dump on us one more time before he has the chance to get us all back home…!
Lookin’ for leadership…!
jgoch@countryspeed.com
J_Gocht on July 6, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Holy, Mary and Jesus, Ed..
I personally can’t believe this is a “break through”…?
History itself, devolves both your thoughts and your postings.
Olde Newt, his own self… would bring you down to country speed…!
J_Gocht on July 6, 2008 at 5:37 PM
MB4 doesn’t even have to be here to be well fed.
snaggletoothie on July 6, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Oh Mcguyver, for shame, for shame, you are at your tap, tap, tap stalking again I see. Haven’t seen you for a long time so I thought that you were cured of that. Guess not. Maybe you just got arrested for stalking someone in real life and that’s what accounted for your absence by my door. Did you get out early? I suppose you must have. I sure hope that you are not violating any of the terms of your parole.
MB4 on July 6, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Black armbands all around at the DNC, boohooing for their beloved terrorists.
Victory will not be complete until the Democrat Party leadership is either locked up or six feet under.
We need another General Sherman – this time, marching through Massachusetts and Illinois.
Although how quickly will the gelded pacifists of the Democrat Party surrender during the next Civil War? In one second or two?
As fast as Obambi can change positions, he will surrender.
NoDonkey on July 6, 2008 at 6:13 PM
lol.
McGooey, you are
so delusionalsuch a silly. You couldn’t hurt my kid sister even if you were having a good day.MB4 on July 6, 2008 at 6:15 PM
So you are going to get military leadership from Obama?
Johan Klaus on July 6, 2008 at 6:19 PM
You must really get over your grudge. It would be for your own good. It’s not healthy for you. I’m trying to help you.
MB4 on July 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM
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