Video: 1,215 troops re-enlist in Baghdad on Independence Day

posted at 3:46 pm on July 4, 2008 by Allahpundit

Petraeus: “You and your comrades here have been described as America’s new greatest generation, and, in my view, you have more than earned that description. It is the greatest of honors to soldier here with you.”

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MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 12:18 AM

This seems like a more consistent attitude.

baldilocks on July 5, 2008 at 12:21 AM

Perhaps. I’m just not seeing that the area will run out of Taliban.

baldilocks on July 5, 2008 at 12:11 AM

Which brings Pakistan into the equation. If our only real goal is to kill Taliban, we do that fine and I’ll bet you a steak dinner we’ll be doing it regularly in Pakistan before too long. We’ll just keep exerting steady pressure. Any efforts we demonstrate at trying to build a responsible government in Afghanistan are a window dressing diversion for the dreamers. Just an opinion.

a capella on July 5, 2008 at 12:22 AM

FeralCat on July 5, 2008 at 12:21 AM

Mongoose!….(damn keyboard screwed up again)…

Limerick on July 5, 2008 at 12:22 AM

aengus on July 5, 2008 at 12:14 AM

If you call reading Ibn Warraq’s Why I’m Not a Muslim, Daniel Pipes’, Robert Spencer’s and Brigitte Gabrielle’s work ‘study.’

baldilocks on July 5, 2008 at 12:26 AM

If the country called they would be there.

Limerick on July 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM

Oh ye of much faith. The recruiters are calling and the Army has to keep “adjusting” the standards just to met quotas to keep a very small Army. The same troops are going back over and over and over again and who knows how long it will go on.

1% go. 99% shop. That’s about it.

The Greatest Shopping Generation!

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 12:26 AM

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Yeah, you’re right. I do have ‘much’ faith in them. Too much for some it seems.

Limerick on July 5, 2008 at 12:28 AM

Oh yeah and there’s

The Looming Tower

and The Persian Puzzle. /showing off

baldilocks on July 5, 2008 at 12:29 AM

Back up there a little. I myself mentioned the Sunni/Shiite split as reason for leaving Iraq. Let them war against each other in full savagery without US troops catching stray bullets and holding them away from each other like a boxing referee.

aengus on July 4, 2008 at 11:52 PM

On supporting this war – it’s won already. What’s our remaining goal(s)?

WMD – check
Odai/Qusay – check
Saddam Hussein – check
Zarqawi – check
Elections – check

Democracy? They have a new constitution – not based on our values, but theirs – namely shariah. Under this set-up, Chaldeans and Assyrian Christians are fleeing to (of all places) Syria (while the US plans to take in 7000 Iraqi Muslim refugees). Which of them – Shia or Sunni – are pro-US? Shia? They are mainly supporting Iran and Hizbullah. Sunni? They are either supporting Saddam’s Baathists, or Zarqawi’s al Qaeda. Kurds? Sure, they are the most grateful of the lot, but we aren’t supporting a separate Kurdistan. So which of the people who we are trying to support actually deserves it?

And once again – what’s our mission _now_? Resolving whether Mohammed’s rightful successor was Umar or Ali? If there is a civil war between pro-Hizbullah Shia and pro-Ikhwan Sunni, whose side should we pick? Should we even stop such a fight, were it to break out?

Remember the 80’s war between Iran and Iraq? Did we end up any worse off due to millions of fanatics on both sides getting killed? Remember the 60’s proxy war between Egypt and Saudi Arabia in Yemen? Was that agood or bad thing for Infidels?

Bottom line – if there is an internecine war between Infidel hating Muslims and Infidel hating Muslims, why is that a bad thing for Infidels? If two or more of our enemies are busy destroying each other, why should we even bother stopping them?

Want to know my exit strategy for Iraq? Exit is the strategy. What will result is a civil war between Shia and Sunni. Initially, it’ll be in Iraq. Then, inshallah, it’ll spread to Saudi Arabia, where the Shia in al Hasa province can rebel. Let all that Saudi cash that funds madrassahs and CAIR in the US be diverted towards containing their restive Shia, and in the meantime, let Iran’s cash flow to their science project and Hizbullah be diverted towards encouraging Shia rebellions in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bahrein. Once we have these 2 US hating groups at each others throats, we can then keep arming at a low level either side so that neither gains the upper hand.

Note that we do not have a dog in this fight. The only dog we have is that fight itself.

Feed that dog.
– InfidelPride (JihadWatch)

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 12:32 AM

Hi Aengus,

Regarding the below comment:

But a fairly moderate Iraqi polity could have been created by installing Allawi or Chalabi as the ruler of Iraq. This is the position that was favoured by Donald Rumsfeld and John Bolton, who were overruled.

Most people do not consider this. They are required to support the conservative position whatever that is.

aengus on July 4, 2008 at 11:10 PM

From our previous communications as well as some independent research on the subject, backed up by the comments of a Brit author talking about a book she just wrote defending America (sorry, forgot the name of the book) in which she remarks that terms like “liberal” and “conservative” don’t translate well across the Atlantic.
I have to point out that President Bush’s positions, imho, do not represent the “conservative” view. If anything, Rumsfeld and Bolton would.

At best he a “moderate”, as was his Father and, even more so, Nixon. The barrage of poor legislation and expansion of the Federal gov’t under Nixon is almost as bad as what happened under Carter.

The Bush’s have been right of center, but only slightly.

I’m speaking of their administrations taken in total. Not policy by policy. Some things would hit left of center, some right, some very right. But even those pronouncements would be viewed differently if they were made by someone on the left vs. someone, like myself, who calls himself a conservative.

I need to get a few winks before I get up to work in… damn, 5 hrs, so I won’t be checking back in tonight.

Have fun figuring out the ME solution.

TheCulturalist on July 5, 2008 at 12:36 AM

Yeah, you’re right. I do have ‘much’ faith in them. Too much for some it seems.

Limerick on July 5, 2008 at 12:28 AM

In the 1% or in the 99% ?

I can see the 1%, but am having a lot of trouble with that pesky 99%.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM

All of them MB. All of them.

Your strategy is what exactly? The same strategy that got us to 9/11 in the first place, that is what it is. We weren’t there before that. Your Sunni and Shia factions had everything in place to create the world of chaos that you envision as the path to victory. They didn’t do anything of the kind. What your chaos brought was war. War on our own doorstep.

Sorry, that isn’t a method that I’m willing to try again, and from that video of the re-enlistments neither are 1,215 of our sons and daughters.

Limerick on July 5, 2008 at 12:51 AM

My heart swells with pride,and my eyes well with tears knowing that these young Americans continue to stand up, when our great nation needs them. God bless America and those who love her.

gzelmiami on July 5, 2008 at 1:10 AM

1215 of America’s best
What an amazing day for them and all of us knowing our country is well defended by those who recognize this countries heart and soul are worthy and worth defending.
God Bless them all.

shakespeare101 on July 5, 2008 at 1:18 AM

Your strategy is what exactly? The same strategy that got us to 9/11 in the first place, that is what it is.

How did my strategy get us into 9/11?

What if we have another 9/11? Our borders are wide open and the Bush Admin has issued visa to middle easterners, including a lot of saudis (most of the 9/11 terrorists were saudi), like there has been a fire sale, while “we” are still in Iraq? How will you explain that? I don’t think Iraqi-centerism makes us safer.

Your Sunni and Shia factions had everything in place to create the world of chaos that you envision as the path to victory. They didn’t do anything of the kind. What your chaos brought was war.

The Sunni Iraq/Shiite Iran war didn’t serve us so badly as I recall. Now with Shiites largely in control of Iraq, Iraq and Iran are natural allies.

War on our own doorstep.

I don’t think that OBL ever even visited Iraq, let alone launched any operations from there. Before 2003 there was no significant AQ or AQI presence in Iraq. Iraq is a small potato that is getting almost all the oven in the WOT. We need a new chef.

Sorry, that isn’t a method that I’m willing to try again, and from that video of the re-enlistments neither are 1,215 of our sons and daughters.

Limerick on July 5, 2008 at 12:51 AM

1,215 is an exceedingly small number.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 1:26 AM

and in the meantime, let Iran’s cash flow to their science project and Hizbullah be diverted towards encouraging Shia rebellions in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bahrein. Once we have these 2 US hating groups at each others throats, we can then keep arming at a low level either side so that neither gains the upper hand
MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 12:32 AM

Iran’s science project will create similar science projects in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria et al. So, we end up with half a dozen additional Muslim countries with the bomb and crazies running loose in all of them who could care less about the MAD theory. Plus, Hezbollah’s eyes are fixed firmly on Israel right now. The problem won’t go away by ignoring it.

a capella on July 5, 2008 at 1:30 AM

Iran’s science project will create similar science projects

As was said – let Iran’s cash flow to their science project and Hizbullah be diverted

The problem won’t go away by ignoring it.

a capella on July 5, 2008 at 1:30 AM

Who is ignoring it? Not me as I do not think that Iraq is the Center of the Universe nor do I go around proclaiming, “Islam is a Great Religion of Peace”.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 2:02 AM

Well I has gots to go now. Watch some fireworks and then draw up more diabolical plans to spread more lies about Islam and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory which is just around the next corner.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 2:05 AM

gzelmiami on July 5, 2008 at 1:10 AM

Mine too. God bless them all

bnelson44 on July 5, 2008 at 2:11 AM

Yeah but didn’t Bush or someone tell people to “go shopping” or something repulsive like that after Sept. 11?–aengus on July 4, 2008 at 9:20 PM

If memory serves, Bush told Americans not to be afraid to live our lives, to go to work and school and about our daily affairs. His point was for us to not be afraid of each other or our situation, and to refute the efforts of terrorists who would cripple and murder us.

maverick muse on July 5, 2008 at 4:17 AM

Anyone claiming that Iraq is a piece of cake hasn’t been there within the military. Having so few at home supporting their work, and so few of their contemporaries appreciating their service and sacrifice is no piece of cake. Wearing 50lbs. of gear in 120 degree daily heat with monsterous spiders everywhere and not knowing who the enemy is on the streets is no piece of cake. Being accused of murder in the line of duty and being prosecuted having the government spend 5 million dollars against you is no piece of cake. Being required to testify against terrorists given their future day in American court is no piece of cake, particularly as soldiers’ identities and their families security would suffer a risk factor for the rest of their lives from terror networks.

A tacky ingrate throws pot shots in the guise of superiority at the expense of our active patriots re-enlisting in Iraq. A cheap scab would be proud of hurting those interests he would usurp while scamming a numbers game.

Rather, thank God for these fine men and women re-enlisting, trained and experienced and ready to see things through with their General AGAIN for America.

maverick muse on July 5, 2008 at 4:44 AM

I have the video to include comments by both the top NCO in Iraq and Gen Petraeus, as well as the soldiers taking the oath and singing a hearty “God Bless America” and “The Army Goes Rolling Along”.

Good stuff.

Amy Proctor on July 5, 2008 at 6:44 AM

What if we have another 9/11? Our borders are wide open and the Bush Admin has issued visa to middle easterners, including a lot of saudis (most of the 9/11 terrorists were saudi), like there has been a fire sale, while “we” are still in Iraq? How will you explain that? I don’t think Iraqi-centerism makes us safer.
MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 1:26 AM

Yep.

We have Middle Easterners crossing the border illegally.

We have millions of people overstaying their Visas and living here illegally.

We have further
evidence that terrorists are crossing our borders.

And what is the response of the DC political elites?

To offer another round of amnesty and “pathway to USA citizenship” talk.

We have big problems in our own backyard.

ColtsFan on July 5, 2008 at 11:03 AM

then draw up more diabolical plans to spread more lies about Islam

No one said that you were or anyone else was spreading lies about Islam, MB4. I just said that those who think that our efforts in Iraq are futile because of Islam should think that our efforts in Afghanistan are futile for the same reason.

baldilocks on July 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Amy Proctor on July 5, 2008 at 6:44 AM

Amy, for some reason your link doesn’t work. This link works (at least it did when I tried it outside of HotAir)Let’s see if it works if I embed it here:

http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2008/7/4/gen-petraeus-to-re-enlist-over-a-thousand-troops-in-iraq-on.html

bnelson44 on July 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Shock and Awe at these amazing patriots
Humility for my own meager contributions
Gratitude for the sacrifice
Thanks to God for creating men such as these

I have been re reading Rebels and Redcoats, the American Revolution in words of those who fought it. The same good men of yore exist today. This is the wealth of America

entagor on July 5, 2008 at 12:34 PM

General Patraeus mentions the message that such an event delivers to friend and foe alike. I put virtually every Democrat and liberal politician in this category as, even before invasion, they sought to question the motives of the troops and undermine the gargantuan effort required to liberate Iraq from a tyrant.

On this Fourth of July Weekend, I give God thanks for such men and women as serve this nation. I also pray that this nation will soon be freed of the cancer that is the Democrat Party.

highhopes on July 5, 2008 at 12:58 PM

As a mid-level U.S. soldier in Bosnia (95′-96′) I was very worried about the quality of new troops we were receiving. They were undisciplined, unskilled and for some reason, arrogant about it. I thought that if the sh!t really hit the fan we were in big trouble. However, my biggest fear was that we had lost the dedication to the US and all it stands for. On both assessments, I am glad to say, I was wrong. I salute these men and women and in particular the Privates that entered service back then for they are the Sergeants and officers leading these troops today and they are doing one hell of a job!

Esprit de Corps.

Claypigeon on July 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Semper Fi.

Johan Klaus on July 5, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Claypigeon on July 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Those were the Clinton years, after all.

I joined right before Reagan was elected. He cleaned house big time. I heard stories when I was in Memphis that not too many months before, recruits were growing pot right in the barracks. That changed. So did peoples attitudes. He restored the budget that Carter gutted and people actually started to make some decent pay.

Clinton built his budget surplus on the backs of the military. It’s no wonder that anyone who enlisted under his watch would have an attitude. I think the reenlistment of that generation of troops says more about President Bush and his performance as Commander in Chief than people (the media) will ever be willing to give him credit for.

The biggest thing about this mass reenlistment is the stark contrast it provides to the get-out-at-all-costs crowd. They just don’t get it. Mostly, I am sad for them. Some of them actually think they are true patriots. But, if they don’t understand what this represents, they aren’t the person they believe themselves to be.

TheCulturalist on July 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Oh, and you know what would have been really cool? If they could have had 1776 troops re-up. That would have been awesome with a capital AWE.

TheCulturalist on July 5, 2008 at 5:21 PM

i don’t post often, but i am motivated in this case to say one simple thing: mb4 is an ass of the highest order. and, yes, sometimes 5th graders have the simplest, most direct, and best way of expression.

simply put, dude wants to present this image of sophistication, erudition and high-minded word play and mind games. when in fact he actually presents the image of a lonely, desperate and sad little thing.

yes, an ass, for sure.

cheers!

truecon on July 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM

mb4 is an ass of the highest order

blah, blah, blah

yes, an ass, for sure.

truecon on July 5, 2008 at 6:32 PM

That’s what you resort to when you’re losing the debate — [childish] name-calling and ad hominem attacks.
– Michelle Malkin

You really must try to do better next time.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 7:28 PM

This moved me to tears. If I wore a hat, it would be off for these brave soldiers.

Christine on July 5, 2008 at 7:29 PM

..and on July the fourth, it’s astounding.

Christine on July 5, 2008 at 7:31 PM

You really must try to do better next time.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Dude, you suck! You’re a ‘tard!

Can’t you see it? Can’t you feel it?

wccawa on July 5, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Dude, you suck! You’re a ‘tard!

You sound so early grade school.

Can’t you see it? Can’t you feel it?

wccawa on July 5, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Some like it hot and some sweat when the heat is on
Some feel the heat and decide that they can’t go on
– Power Station

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
– Mark Twain

Buck up. I’m not your momma, it’s not my MOS to make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 10:40 PM

1,215 is an exceedingly small number.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 1:26 AM

And what logic do you base this upon? It seems to me quite a high number of re-enlistments for a single day out of the year. And also considering you usually re-enlist at or near your original enlistment date. I guess you’ve never served because you don’t sound like you know military issues.

MechEng5by5 on July 5, 2008 at 11:16 PM

My son USMC, my grandson USAF. Come and take it.

Johan Klaus on July 5, 2008 at 11:47 PM

That’s what you resort to when you’re losing the debate — [childish] name-calling and ad hominem attacks.
– Michelle Malkin

You really must try to do better next time.

ad hominem would only apply if i were debating your ‘point’ and switched to attacking you. but i have no real issue with what you initially said (although, it was irrelevant and silly on its face and should have simply been ignored).

instead, i am making a statement on the merits that you are an ass. this is my opinion and my impression of you. and i make this statement so that you can hopefully learn from it and adjust your behavior. maybe, most likely even, you will instead fall back on your insecurities and resolve them the way you clearly do, by acting like even more of an ass. so be it. but i always try to help those who need it the best i can. and you clearly need it more than most.

anyway, i hope you have someone to hug you and tell you that you are a smart person and that you do have value so that you don’t have to go on the internet to try to prove it to yourself on a daily basis. if not, the rest of us will just have to carry on and carry you. certainly a small cross in the grand scheme of things.

anyway, this argument is tired, and so are you, and, actually, so am i. time for bed.

cheers!

truecon on July 6, 2008 at 1:28 AM

I guess you’ve never served because you don’t sound like you know military issues.

MechEng5by5 on July 5, 2008 at 11:16 PM

He’s wrong on the re-enlistment numbers and you are dead wrong on his service.

Entelechy on July 6, 2008 at 1:57 AM

Asses should be indignant.

Entelechy on July 6, 2008 at 2:00 AM

What a great way to tell their fellow citizens that they see the merit in what they are doing in Iraq. May God bless them for their willingness to serve.

I recognize that some such as MB4 love to provoke reaction from reasonable posters, I use my scroll wheel very effectively.

Pat in NC on July 6, 2008 at 9:47 AM

1,215 is an exceedingly small number.

MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 1:26 AM

What in hell do you know about reenlistments in the Army, or anything else for that matter? Your incessant jaw jacking initially was amusing but now it’s become disgusting.

rplat on July 6, 2008 at 11:50 AM

To think that there’s a possibility, no matter how slim, that Hussein could be their CiC, literally sickens me.

Akzed on July 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Why did you people let an insignificant and clearly uneducated troll ruin what should have been a beautiful thread?

Ban him or ignore him. But don’t let him do what he did here. He is insignificant; this kind of thread is not.

Go watch the video again, then share your thoughts on the topic. I’d like to read them.

It’s a pretty damn cool video, don’t you think?

Professor Blather on July 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM

This moved me to tears. If I wore a hat, it would be off for these brave soldiers.

Christine on July 5, 2008 at 7:29 PM

There’s the post I was looking for.

Amen, sister.

Professor Blather on July 6, 2008 at 5:27 PM

He’s wrong on the re-enlistment numbers and you are dead wrong on his service.

Entelechy on July 6, 2008 at 1:57 AM

I don’t give a damn if I am dead wrong on his service. All I know is what he posted made him come off like an ignorant soldier-basher.
_
I served too, so I guess that means I have absolute moral authority as well…no?

MechEng5by5 on July 6, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Want to know my exit strategy for Iraq? Exit is the strategy. What will result is a civil war between Shia and Sunni. Initially, it’ll be in Iraq. Then, inshallah, it’ll spread to Saudi Arabia…
MB4 on July 5, 2008 at 12:32 AM

And that is the strategy of a simple minded man.
Let’s start a civil war, and then everything will fall into place. AQ getting stronger? Naw, the civil war will take care of it, is AQ about wiped out, naw, the civil war would have done it in weeks.
My, My…
If you all honor MB4 service, then you have to honor, Murtha’s, Kerry’s, Clark’s, and many others…serving doesn’t make you a patriot (look up Arnold, Benedict), and it certainly doesn’t make you a political analyst (civil war will solve the problem, HAHAHAHA!).
Reminds me of a priest who moved from a congregation after 20 years of service. He was the priest with the robe, the collar, he gave the sermon every week, he drew attention to himself, he is the one who held “court”, everyone knew he was the priest and served, he made sure of that. But every week for 40 years a lady took care of the alter, ironing, polishing the chalice, keeping it perfect. Who do you think was the real person who served the church? Who really served God?
Was it the person who officially served, and made sure everyone knew? Or the woman who served from the heart, without anyone noticing.
Well some people use their moniker and quotes, to state they are the patriots…but who really is the patriot?

right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 8:47 AM

It’s a pretty damn cool video, don’t you think?

Professor Blather on July 6, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Yes!
It is not the service, it is the willingness to serve your country that is at heart.
My brothers did not serve in VietNam (1y, then 4f), that did not make them less of a patriot.
You are serving now, most of us are not, that does not make us less of patriots.
As we retire, or go about our daily job, we are blessed by people who want to serve in the military. We hold them in high esteem (as long as they fulfill their duty), but without the support (moral and money) of the everyday man and women, without the heartfelt gratitude, their service would be fruitless.
The ones that see gratitude and a future in that video are the supporters, the ones that see a small insignificant minority are defeatists.

right2bright on July 7, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Professor Blather on July 6, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Nice to see you around, I hope you are doing WELL at your school, Sir. **Salutes**

As for the video… I saw it via an email this weekend. It was something to behold. This video shows people who are and will be the leaders of this coming era. Democrats better run!

Whether we, as a grouping of individuals or not want to be a part of it, it make me proud to be a Soldier and an American!

upinak on July 7, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Thank god for our troops, and I am sure that GWB is happy to have them … without their support his 23 percent approval rating might not even clear 15 percent.

Monkei on July 7, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Monkei on July 7, 2008 at 5:42 PM

I would like to drop kick you off this forum.

Unamerican POS!

upinak on July 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM

I would like to drop kick you off this forum.

Unamerican POS!

Whats wrong, don’t believe in the bill of rights? Amazing, people don’t agree with people like you and they are unamerican … what part of the deep south are you from?

Monkei on July 7, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Whats wrong, don’t believe in the bill of rights?

Is upinak the government?

baldilocks on July 7, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Monkei on July 7, 2008 at 9:29 PM

You are a unamerican liberal wacked out hippie troll. And south? Good Lord Almighty on a Cross… South LMFAO HAHAHHAHAHHAAA! Everyone is a “Southerner” to me… dipstick.

baldilocks on July 7, 2008 at 10:13 PM

I had no clue I was the gubmet! Just doing my part.. Sir.

upinak on July 7, 2008 at 11:06 PM