UK hate crime: White man charged for calling white men “honkies”
posted at 1:15 pm on July 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The “it’s okay when we say it to each other” defense? Denied.
Jonathan Wicks was taken to court for calling the men ‘honky wannabe cops’…
He said: ‘I was outside the Oracle Shopping Centre and as a joke started pushing and rattling one of the bicycles that was locked up outside, as I’d had a few drinks.
‘The security guards told me to move on and that’s when I made the comment – I didn’t think about it, I just said it as a joke…
He said last night: ‘I admit I was being a bit cheeky, but I never meant to be offensive or racist at all.
‘Honky is a word that a lot of my black friends use to describe a white person, so I suppose that’s why I was charged with racial abuse. But it’s ridiculous that I was taken to court over it.
On his lawyer’s advice, he pleaded guilty to one count of attempted theft of a bicycle and one count of using “threatening, abusive or insulting words of behavior which was racially aggravated.” I knew they were headed towards a pure thoughtcrime model of hate crimes; I didn’t realize they were already there. Question for lawyers and law students: Would the “fighting words” exception to the First Amendment protect this statute in the U.S.? Per Scalia’s opinion in R.A.V. v. St. Paul, the answer pretty clearly is no — at least as the statute is currently written, encompassing not just threats but insults, abuse, and other emotional owies:
[T]he reason why fighting words are categorically excluded from the protection of the First Amendment is not that their content communicates any particular idea, but that their content embodies a particularly intolerable (and socially unnecessary) mode of expressing whatever idea the speaker wishes to convey. St. Paul has not singled out an especially offensive mode of expression – it has not, for example, selected for prohibition only those fighting words that communicate ideas in a threatening (as opposed to a merely obnoxious) manner. Rather, it has proscribed fighting words of whatever manner that communicate messages of racial, gender, or religious intolerance. Selectivity of this sort creates the possibility that the city is seeking to handicap the expression of particular ideas. That possibility would alone be enough to render the ordinance presumptively invalid…
What if the statute was rewritten to limit it exclusively to threats that are “racially aggravated”? Wicks would be off the hook in that case, but presumably the statute would still be unconstitutional because it’s targeting viewpoint, i.e. “messages of racial … intolerance.” Or would it? Elsewhere in the opinion, Scalia says, “What we have here, it must be emphasized, is not a prohibition of fighting words that are directed at certain persons or groups (which would be facially valid if it met the requirements of the Equal Protection Clause)…” I take that to mean that the statute would be constitutional if it was rewritten to ban threats not on the basis of their racial or gender viewpoint but whether they’re directed at minorities or women — which of course would have the practical effect of targeting based on viewpoint even though formally the law would apply to threats of all stripes. What am I missing?
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Thank God I live in a country where a guy can say ‘Nappy Headed Ho’s’ and still not lose his dignity.
cntrlfrk on July 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Stupid crackers.
JammieWearingFool on July 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM
who has ever taken offense at “Honkies”? I never have, I don’t even understand it… if that’s the only slur you can come up with, then use it all you want…
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in America you can’t even write the word ****** you know the word I mean…
Kaptain Amerika on July 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM
That part was good.
Vigilante on July 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Makes me want to put a loop of the Richard Pryor SNL psychiatrist sketch up on a big screen in Downtown London.
bbz123 on July 3, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Sure you can. If you’re black.
fourstringfuror on July 3, 2008 at 1:24 PM
My Suid Afrikaner roommate used the phrase “psycho honkie” all the time. It wasn’t racist, but it was somewhat derogatory. With good reason, most of the time!
fourstringfuror on July 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM
http://www.clipstr.com/videos/ClassicSNLSkitRichardPryorAndChevyChase/
bbz123 on July 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM
That reminded me of this, one of the funniest satires ***ever***.
White Like Me
SlimyBill on July 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Stupid tea drinking limeys.
peacenprosperity on July 3, 2008 at 1:33 PM
So I guess chanting “Kill Whitey!!” is strictly forbidden. Does the UK plan to ban Black Sheep?
Chris Farley is laughing from beyong the grave.
Vote Sauron 08 on July 3, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Hate crime laws have only one purpose, to destroy free speech.
Maxx on July 3, 2008 at 1:33 PM
I got called Irish trash once. I burst out laughing and the guy got even more pissed.
peacenprosperity on July 3, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Good thing he didn’t call them cracka ass crackers.
HawaiiLwyr on July 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM
When it comes to devising a racial slur, “honkey” was a dismal failure. Outside of the Jeffersons and Good Times did anyone ever really use the word?
GogglesPisano on July 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Look Brit
governmentsocial engineers are walking a tightrope and need a finely tuned balance in their laws. Their progressive nanny-statism has eliminated almost all reasons for maintaining their renown as a people with a stiff upper lip and if they don’t balance this with thuggish policies that prevent it from evolving to quivering upper lip — like coming down hard on name calling — they’ll become a laughingstock.Dusty on July 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM
If they were really offended, shouldn’t they have just popped him in the nose?
When did the French take over the island?
Rogue Traveler on July 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Honky comes from bohunk and hunky, derogatory terms for Bohemian, Hungarian, and Polish immigrants that came into use around the turn of the century. According to Robert Hendrickson, author of the Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins, black workers in Chicago meat-packing plants picked up the term from white workers and began applying it indiscriminately to all Caucasians. Probably thought they all looked alike.
Another probable etymon for honky, cited by David Dalby in his “African Element in American English” (to be found in my Rappin’ and Stylin’ Out: Communication in Urban Black America) is the Wolof term honq, “red, pink,” a term frequently used in to describe white men in African languages.
misterpeasea on July 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Pyscho Honkie! Wow, was this an American or other?
I think Pyscho Enviromental Wacked Out Tree Hugging Nazi works well up here.
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Don’t forget ‘Sanford and Son’. One of my favorites.
Sometimes it’s good watch these old shows to see how much the PC world has destroyed us.
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cntrlfrk on July 3, 2008 at 1:47 PM
I live on Staten Island.
Before the Bridge.
“coo-shjeen!”
Okay, come get me.
But if you send Curtis Sliwa, it will end in tears.
TC@LeatherPenguin on July 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM
So when a black guy calls another black guy the “N” word
it’s a hate crime in the UK ? ?
Texyank on July 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM
I always liked being called…….. pasty!
… certain cool insult, if you really think about it.
Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM
“All we need is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction. Everybody just gotta keep f*****n’ everybody ’til they’re all the same color.” Jay Bulworth
Ropera on July 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Excuse me while I kiss the ground of the good old USA.
Dude, you are slayin’ me.
baldilocks on July 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
These sorts of laws are actually drawn up by the EU and then the British government enact the legislation in Parliment.
In its first annual report, the European Agency for Fundamental Rights, based in Vienna, noted happily that “the United Kingdom possesses the most efficient system of anti-discrimination legislation in all the EU,” and that with “95 punishments in 2006 – 2007, it has meted out more punishments than all the member States put together.”
aengus on July 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM
If hate/thought crime goes much farther, it will soon be illegal to self-defend against or put a stop to criminal activity by any minority
White people will be the first in history to enslave themselves.
Grafted on July 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM
My roommate is/was South African. I don’t know if that’s where he picked it up, but it sure was funny.
fourstringfuror on July 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Baldi, I’m right next to ya kissing the ground or asphalt.
Texyank on July 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I wouldn’t give them that much credit. I’m going with the former – blanket racism, indiscriminately applied.
fourstringfuror on July 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Cheeky honkys and honky security guards never turn out well.
Hening on July 3, 2008 at 2:16 PM
It could just as easily lead to civil wars or at least civil disturbances.
“You can press a spring only that much, and the human psyche is very resilient you know. You can press it, you can press it, but don’t forget it is still accumulating a power to rebound. It is like a spring and it always goes to overshoot.”
– Vladimir Bukovsky
aengus on July 3, 2008 at 2:18 PM
So.. the guy was white like Frank Black..
not black like Barry White?
DaveC on July 3, 2008 at 2:19 PM
I agree. Brilliant. It makes fun of both white racism and black paranoia.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on July 3, 2008 at 2:21 PM
and I always thought it came from George Jefferson.
abinitioadinfinitum on July 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM
What next? The Rolling Stones won’t be allowed to sing Honky Tonk Women?
Bigfoot on July 3, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Now that’s funny.
So where does ‘cracker’ come from? And I never understood why that was applied to anglos in Florida/Georgia.
Texas Gal on July 3, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Now that’s stupid.
Geronimo on July 3, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Double you. Tee. Eff.
spmat on July 3, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Is giving a traffic cop the finger against the law? Ever since the cops started cracking down on my morning commute, its become a bit of a hobby.
AbaddonsReign on July 3, 2008 at 4:04 PM
what will the BNP do with this?
right4life on July 3, 2008 at 4:13 PM
The Brits need to throw the nosy dogooder nannies from their backs. This is just way out of hand. Basically being impolite is a crime in the UK.
ronsfi on July 3, 2008 at 4:38 PM
From the headlines.
- The Cat
MirCat on July 3, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Those jive turkeys.
SoulGlo on July 3, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Back in the dark ages when CB radios were still listened to, I once heard a truck driver tell about the roots of “Honky”. According to the driver, the last thing that a drunk black guy would hear as he crossed the road was “Hoooonk”.
I guess that relating this story makes me a racist under the rules of today.
Special Forces Grunt on July 3, 2008 at 5:59 PM
I don’t know but I don’t support them. Vladimir Bukovsky is a patron of the UKIP and a former Soviet Dissident.
When I mentioned the possibility of civil disturbance I just mean anti-government action. Bukovsky warns of an EU dictatorship.
aengus on July 3, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Just to clarify – I’m against violence.
But there are a lot of violent thugs in Britain and considering the law of unintended consequences who knows what could happen.
aengus on July 3, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Sticks ‘n’ stones…
whitetop on July 3, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Pool cues and gin will get you five to ten
But words will get you twenty.
- The Cat
P.S. Needs work
MirCat on July 3, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Stupid Kraut, Hiene, Jerry, Hun, oh, pardon they are lymies.
Johan Klaus on July 3, 2008 at 8:08 PM
You guys are looking at this the wrong way! This is an opportunity to hit on English chicks with no consequences! She’ll have to say “YES” every time otherwise if she says “NO” it’s a hate crime!
(sarc)
My exit question, how are the Brit’s going to regulate hate speech at their soccer games? Are the jails big enough?
I can’t believe this even is an issue. If someone says something stupid I can always ignore it. What a bunch of sissies.
VikingGoneWild on July 3, 2008 at 8:41 PM
The real stupidity about punishing, so called, hate crime, is that any punishment will only cause the offender to hate more. Especially if he/she is locked up in prison with a whole bunch of the source of hatred.
OldEnglish on July 3, 2008 at 8:58 PM
“…though formally the law would apply to threats of all stripes. What am I missing?”
You are missing two front teeth if I catch up to you, honkie!
Heh, just kidding. I’m just celebrating America, where honkie is not a hate crime.
Kevin M on July 3, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Maybe the security guards were more incensed by the term “wannabe cops” than they were by the word “honky”.
jackmac on July 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
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