HerrMorgenholz on July 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Don’t even pretend your argument is based on sense. Life without parole means what it says, regardless of circumstances. You can’t circumvent the law based on an abstract concept.
I don’t condemn anyone to hell. God alone will judge. And I am quite secure in my status as a real man. Nice try.

You have got the right to forgive someone for what they do to someone else?

Johan Klaus on July 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM

The same as you have the right to condemn.

But I feel safe in saying that your Salvation demands forgiveness.

HerrMorgenholz on July 4, 2008 at 11:22 PM

You have got the right to forgive someone for what they do to someone else?

forgiveness is in order in any given situation. I’m not going to argue the Hitler or Osama question. But I feel safe in saying that your Salvation demands forgiveness.

HerrMorgenholz on July 4, 2008 at 11:22 PM
No one should die a prisoner, no matter their crimes. Forgiveness is not just a word. It’s an act.

HerrMorgenholz on July 4, 2008 at 6:44 PM

You made the argument.

Your brand of “whatever feels good” law wouldn’t pass muster even on “Judge Wopner’s Animal Court”.

joewm315 on July 5, 2008 at 6:14 AM

Huh? I think whatever feels good goes? Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Unfortunately they were your words. Lots of tough talk about “rotting in jail” and “burning in hell”, etc, etc in here. Real men have more sense.

So keeping her in the hospital is costing to much, so we should let her out. Good argument.

Why not do the same with ALL criminals in prison. If we’re simply speaking about economics here. Just send all the crooks home and let their families pay for them. It might work.

She served her sentence? No, she didn’t. Life in prison is just that. “Well, you see, she’s not ‘in prison’ she’s in a hospital so let’s just let her go…” Absurd.

Frankly, if cost from the state was such an issue FOR the state, they would have gassed these maniacs long ago.

And forgiveness? No one has said she shouldn’t be forgiven or that forgiveness isn’t warranted. Some people do have a hard time with it, but nevertheless. However equating forgiveness with releasing her is idiotic.

Did that make them more susceptible to Manson’s programming? There were a lot more girls in the Family whose self-esteem and will were probably stronger. Why didn’t they become murderers as well?

No one should die a prisoner, no matter their crimes. Forgiveness is not just a word. It’s an act.

HerrMorgenholz on July 4, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Her victim isn’t around to forgive her. You can forgive her if you want, but since she didn’t slit you upen it doesn’t really matter.
Your brand of “whatever feels good” law wouldn’t pass muster even on “Judge Wopner’s Animal Court”.

No one should die a prisoner, no matter their crimes. Forgiveness is not just a word. It’s an act.

HerrMorgenholz on July 4, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Not even Hitler?

Have you ever read a full description of what she did to Sharon Tate during that grissly murder? “She murdered Sharon Tate” is so sanitized. But the non-sanitized version would make most people sick to their stomach.

But I suppose even psychopaths should be treated humanely. Therefore, loosen (but not by much) the cuffs chaining her to the bed and make sure she has sufficient painkillers.

Beyond that, I simply do not care what happens to Susan Atkinson.

May God have mercy on her soul.

No one should die a prisoner, no matter their crimes. Forgiveness is not just a word. It’s an act.

HerrMorgenholz on July 4, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Forgiveness is more of an act for the benefit of the forgiver than the forgiven… except with God’s forgiveness of sin through Christ.

There’s something called consequences… even Jesus said, “Have you not heard, ‘He who kills by the sword shall die by the sword?’” People also forget that He was present with God the Father when He established, “Eye for an eye”.
Forgiveness is different than “mercy”. Mercy is not giving you what you deserve… while forgiveness does not require “letting one off the hook of consequences”.

Letting her out? She’s been in this hospital room since March and whether her release is denied or not, she will remain in this hospital room until she dies. Granting her release will only relieve the state of the medical costs and the costs of assigning two guards outside her hospital room door 24/7. The only tantrum throwing children are those refusing to address the actual facts.

Blake on July 4, 2008 at 9:00 AM

It is money well spent to have those guards there 24/7 and her restrained in some fashion to the bed (I am assuming that as a prisoner of the state she is in some way restrained to her bed). Why, because it is a continual reminder to her and her family that she is not free, that she still is prisoner, and that she will die a prisoner for the actions she freely committed. She has only herself to blame for her situation and those guards and any shackles serve as a visible reminder of this fact. She should also ponder the fact that the State of California is giving one of their prisoners medical care that most free people outside of the Western world, and many within it, would have no access to if they came down with a similar condition. Talk about, in the words of St. Paul, heaping hot coals on one’s head.

It is always money well spent to remind inmates that they are in prison as punishment for acts they freely committed, and that they should not do the crime if they cannot do the time. All of the time, screw parole!!

I’ve read a few posts mentioning how most people are in for substance abuse related crimes…..SO WHAT!?!?!?!? A felon is a felon is a felon.

/sorry bad 4th duble pun