Should Susan Atkins die at home or in prison?
posted at 11:50 am on July 3, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Few if any murders carry the horrifying cachet of the Manson murders in 1969. The deaths of seven people on two nights at the end of a tumultuous decade combined all of the political and cultural baggage of the era — drugs, counterculture, celebrity, cults, and pure evil in the form of the perpetrators, especially Charles Manson himself. Combining mass murder and serial murder, the Manson Family has played on the imaginations of Americans for almost 40 years, while its members routinely apply for parole and get rejected.
Now one of them faces death, although much different in nature than the deaths she herself inflicted on her victims. Susan Atkins, probably the most committed of all the Tate/LaBianca murderers to Manson himself, has terminal brain cancer and is not expected to live out the year. She wants to be released so that she can die at home, presumably with family and friends. Matthew Schmalz asks in Newsweek whether mercy or retribution should take precedence (via Shaun Mullen):
Justice or mercy? That is the pressing question in what seems to be a coda in the story of the 1969 Manson family murders. At issue is the request by Susan Atkins, now 60, for compassionate release from prison on the grounds of terminal illness.
Apart from Charles Manson himself, Atkins was the public face of the Manson family during the Tate-LaBianca murder trial. She had bragged about mercilessly stabbing the pregnant Sharon Tate and laughed when details of the murders were presented in court. When she received a death sentence, the verdict seemed particularly appropriate. When her punishment was later changed to life imprisonment with possibility parole, it seemed to be a gross distortion of the justice process. If there was an example of unmerited mercy in the criminal justice system, surely this was it.
I have to admit to an-almost lifelong fascination with the Manson case. I grew up in Southern California and read Helter Skelter at 13, just seven years after the murders, and it was the only book that ever scared me — and I used to read everything Stephen King wrote. The bloodthirsty nature of the defendants, especially Atkins, was brought to life by Vincent Bugliosi. Now I oppose the death penalty, but these defendants certainly were the poster children for its imposition, and Atkins only slightly less than Manson himself.
It was Atkins who killed the pregnant actress Sharon Tate, telling her first that she had no mercy for Tate or her unborn child, which makes her plea for mercy now more than a little ghastly. Most people feel that she got more than her allotted measure of mercy from the Supreme Court decision that threw out their death-penalty sentences.
In view of her illness, though, the issue is worth discussing. Prisons have three purposes in modern times: rehabilitation, justice, and public safety in keeping dangerous criminals from harming any more innocents. Are any of these purposes served by keeping Atkins in prison until she draws her last breath?
To hear Schmalz tell it, Atkins has already been rehabilitated. She has served her sentence as a model prisoner since the mid-1970s, and has posed no danger to herself or others. Schmalz tends to over-credit the Christian conversion of Atkins — it’s an oft-used ruse by prisoners looking for parole — but let’s assume he’s right and she’s rehabilitated. That would also indicate that we no longer need to worry that Atkins will resume murdering people in their homes to start race wars on behalf of Manson.
That still leaves justice, however, and it’s pretty hard to argue that Atkins has paid that measure yet. Atkins was convicted of eight murders, which means she’s served just over 4.5 years for every life she took. Atkins is both a serial and mass murderer, having committed the eight murders in three separate incidents. Is 37 years really enough to provide justice for these acts?
And while I oppose the death penalty, I fully support life without parole, although Atkins is eligible for parole thanks to the way the death sentences got dismissed. Life without parole pretty clearly means that we expect the worst offenders to die in prison, not in the comfort of their homes. Atkins qualifies as the worst of offenders, and she should not see the light of a free day.
Addendum: I want to make one more point about Christian forgiveness, in line with Schmalz’ essay. We believe in redemption, of course, but redemption does not exempt people from the temporal consequences of their actions. Merely going to the confessional, for instance, does not mean a murderer should not receive their just punishment. Christians hope and pray for the redemption of all souls, including that of Atkins (and Manson, for that matter) — but that essentially remains between Atkins and God and has little to do with the question of release.
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What home? Barker Ranch? She is with her “Family” and she can die a slow painful death at home in jail with the “Family” she chose to be with!
Bicyea on July 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM
I am sure Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn would love to let her stay with them.
Dig It!
AndrewsDad on July 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM
You’re kidding right? She is going straight to Medicaid and is going to get the State to pay for her anyways.
Tim Burton on July 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM
In prison, alone, and buried in an unmarked grave…….. and her name should never be spoken of again.
Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Chalk my vote down for prison. As an agnostic, I believe whatever conversion she may (or may not) have had is a subject known only to her and her god (as it should be), and should not be an issue between her and the rest of society.
IMHO, though, I believe she should die in the same manner in which she killed Sharon Tate and her unborn baby, but that option was taken off the table long ago.
Vic on July 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM
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bobeast on July 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Too bad, so sad. Die in prison. Next.
Dave Rywall on July 3, 2008 at 12:45 PM
How about if Atkin’s brain were surgically removed? All of it, that is, except for the portion the maintains the autonomic functions (heartbeat, breathing).
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CyberCipher on July 3, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Actually, Ed, I think that Miss Atkins should be sent to Oregon to “die with dignity”. Sarcasm aside, Miss Atkins should NOT, I mean NOT be released from prison for any reason. So what, she is dying?! The point of life without parole is that one should die in PRISON. Not sent home just because one may have terminal cancer or any other illness. I do not care that she may have been on drugs or some other excuse. Let her die in prison. No retribution but mercy for those who were killed by her and her cohorts.
righty64 on July 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
From what I understand, Karla Faye had a successful prison ministry that she wished to continue. She asked to be allowed to continue her ministry because she and just about everyone else including Governor Bush felt that it was doing God’s work. Continuing her ministry required her to be alive. Governor Bush stated that this decision was the most difficult decision that he ever made. Governor Bush chose justice and Karla Faye agreed that it was justice.
Linh_My on July 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Prison. Alone. Afraid.
Sue on July 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Susan Atkins made her own bed: now let her lie in it…in a prison cell. Sharon Tate didn’t get to see her relatives “one last time.”
And
…is absolutely right. Susan Atkins has already received a generous portion of mercy here on earth. And if she is truly ‘born again’, then the location of her death should make no difference to her.
landlines on July 3, 2008 at 12:47 PM
The state will pay for her anyway. Do you think she will be covered by insurance or that her friends and family will pay out of pocket for the treatment????
PRISON
HawaiiLwyr on July 3, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Hey, I’m the hardass when it comes to crime around here and I say release her if she meets the qualifications.
A prisoner is eligible to apply for compassion release if they are going to die within six months and the family, not the state, will assume all the medical expenses.
She will not die in prison. She isn’t in prison now but in a community hospital near the prison. The prison cannot provide the medical treatment required under the law. So, if she is going to die soon and her husband will pick up the bill, release her. It will save the state money and manpower.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Prison.
JimK on July 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM
I wish she showed some mercy when her victims were begging her not to kill them. Justice must be served, or its not justice at all.
justinok on July 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM
The comments have pointed to mercy only from or to Atkins. Atkins showed no mercy to Sharon Tate or her child. Atkins showed no mercy to any of the other in the house that night as they were tortured. At this point, where is the mercy shown to the families of the Manson murders? The families of the victims have had to live with those horrific memories for decades. And what mercy is shown to those people who also were innocent victims of that night with the release of Atkins?
Every time “mercy” is pleaded for unrepentant murderers, the survivors suffer again.
My vote: justice and mercy for the survivors. Atkins: reap totally, in this life, what you’ve sown.
And I hope that you truly have repented.
Amendment X on July 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM
It should be left up to the victims – and by that I mean the survivors of the people she killed. Those are the people who suffered the most.
Jane on July 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM
One, you can’t be granted compassion release unless you can demonstrate the state will not be responsible for you medical bills. Two, her husband is an atty and graduated from Harvard Law, so he may have some bucks, obviously knows the requirements, and that if doesn’t pay would be sued.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
You must be softening a little Ed. It’s not even worth discussing. She should rot in her cell.
JeffB. on July 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Solitary confinement without drugs for her illness.
Steve McCullough on July 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Uh, it has nothing to do with mercy or the crimes, etc. The only issues are:
Would she be a danger to the public if released? Nope.
Is she going to die within six months? According to her docs she will.
Will the family assume all her costs? Appears so and they will have to provide proof.
If she is eligible under the law and is not granted compassion release, her husband will just go to the courts and get a court order.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Uhm. What about, you know, punishment? Deterrence?
misterpeasea on July 3, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Ed, why oppose a death penatly for people such as this?
1. the Death Penatly is cost effective.
2. It makes those who do these types think twice
3. They can hurt no one else
4. If the majority want it, don’t their wishes need to be held?
5. It will end something, that should have never started.
People have died for less. I don’t see how the Death Penalty is anything more then a helper.
Call me cold… it is ok.
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 12:58 PM
No one deserves mercy, otherwise it wouldn’t be mercy.
The fact that any of us our forgiven our own sins is mercy not justice.
But that’s from God, not man. Here, where we get as far away from God as we possibly can, we need justice.
Another vote for prison here.
I slightly disagree. If forgiveness has to be asked for, then what was Jesus doing as He was dying? “Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.”
Jesus was right. They didn’t know what they were doing and thus couldn’t even begin to ask for forgiveness, but Jesus was offering anyway and even took it a step further by asking God on their behalf.
I think complete forgiveness requires the offending party ask for forgiveness, but I don’t see how, judging from Christ’s example, that forgiveness can’t be given unless asked.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 12:58 PM
If she really became a Christian, send her a priest (if she’s Catholic) or a minister of her faith to reconcile herself to God, and allow family members to visit her if they so desire, but she should die in prison. She didn’t show any mercy to an innocent Sharon Tate and her baby, why should she receive mercy? If God chooses to have mercy on her, that will be in the afterlife.
Steve Z on July 3, 2008 at 12:59 PM
She should rot in prison, period.
Nahanni on July 3, 2008 at 12:59 PM
I agree.
a capella on July 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Is dying in prison of terminal brain cancer any worse than dying of old age in prison? Dying of a shiv to the gut?
For cripe’s sake, what part of “life in prison” don’t some people understand?
But, up to me, I would have had her sittin’ in Ole Sparky’s lap decades ago.
As far as Christian redemption, that’s what Christ is for, no? It is the role of Christ to forgive her, not the role of the justice system.
ynot4tony2 on July 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Ed, you have some squishy thinking rattling around in that brain of yours.
Life in prison.
faraway on July 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
By the time her lawyer hubby gets the appeals going, she’ll have died in prison.
Let him waste his money.
And let her waste away.
(The Devil will know if she repented or not.)
profitsbeard on July 3, 2008 at 1:02 PM
You can yell that she should rot/die in prison but the bottom line is that she will die in a private room in a community hospital on the California taxpayer’s dime with armed guards outside her room which is also on the California taxpayer’s dime. I hate debates not based on actual facts.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
We disagree on the death penalty, Ed, but I agree that justice demands that Atkins stay in prison until she dies. The people she and her “family” killed received no mercy, and in fact endured unimaginable terror and degradation right up to the end.
Some things are beyond mercy, and Atkins’ crimes are among them.
irishspy on July 3, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Not at all. I’m sure he is prepared to challenge it, has a writ already written, and it will get priority by the California Court of Appeal.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:05 PM
And some of those prisons have small hospitals in them. or Duty Stations with Doctors and Nurses. Which you didn’t state and is true.
If she is fatal, and they can’t do anything, she will die in a prison still.
Husband or not, let her rot!
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM
1) Although I have deep respect for others faith, enlightenment gained while confined by the strict rules of an institution has always seemed like it needed an asterisk to me. Not just for convicts though. I think the Dalai Lama is a pretty cool guy but despite being exiled he has lived a pretty cushy, stress free life, try getting enlightened while putting food on the table and paying a mortgage.
2) Reading about these people and their evolution in prison has to elicit some foregiveness or even symapathy but the truth is that they dodged the ultimate and literal bullet for committing horrble crimes and have already received a break by having the time to redeem themselves to the extent they have.
3) It’s pretty clear that there were other victims whose fate remain mysteries to their families. The family members in prison were charlies main assassins although it is likely others also were directly involved who walked free. Maybe if years ago these people told where the other bodies were and brought to justice other killers there would be more consideration of her request now.
4) If she is coherent and knows she is dying, a truly repentent person would be clearing their minds and setting the record straight. There are undiscovered bodies and she isn’t talking. She is not truly repentent. If she is incoherent what does it matter where she dies?
She should die while serving her sentence.
peacenprosperity on July 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Won’t cost him a dime. Well, maybe the xeroxing, binding, and service by mail. Okay, a $100 bucks.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Send her home. But have her write up an essay on her travels.
Saw an interview on TV, this is a very different woman.
pat on July 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Oh great. Someone here wants her released.
Actually, contrary to what common sense would tell you, it’s not. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. That’s just not an argument in favor of the death penalty.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM
If you’re talking about deterrence as applies to Atkins, et al,
it seems to have worked, and probably fits under the public safety category.. If you’re talking about it as an example to others not to commit the same kinds of horrors, it doesn’t seem to have worked, has it?
a capella on July 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM
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That’s nice. But she is currently in a community hospital near Chowchilla which is true and which you didn’t state. If the prison infirmary felt they were qualified to treat her, she would be there. She is not.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM
You think that changes the debate?
Hardly.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM
I have to be Angel’s advocate here, going against the consensus: Home. Let her out to live free her last year.
Let her see the outside world which has changed so much since 1969. She will pay her debt to justice with her life; in prison,her every need is cared for. On her own outside, the friends and family she knew will have grown old or died. She would be a stranger in her own country. How would she survive? Get a job? Depend on family who would probably shun her?
Where she dies isn’t as important as where she lives: a ward of the state in prison, or “free”-having to fend for herself. As she waits to die.
Unlike Ed, I have no problems with the death penalty. I believe that as a society with laws, we can choose to punish whomever however we wish for breaking our laws.
Atkins only has this option now because her original sentence was commuted. She should have faced her fate then.
Doug on July 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM
a one time cost of 30K and a burial (1500.00 to 2000.00) or a cremation (1200.00) **Alaska pricing for burial or cremation** is still cheaper in the long run for tax payers and the victims who also have to pay their taxes.
Or you can’t pay the 45K a year until they die, and have them eat, sleep and watch cable TV and go to college your dime.
I would go for the Death Penalty, especially if it is a Serial killer or Serial Rapiest.
As I said i am cold on this matter. But I have my reasons.
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Apparently she has a possibly wealthy and highly educated husband who is actively fighting for her. She won’t be shunned. She’ll be embraced by loved ones who will comfort her and hold her hand until she draws her last breath.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Prison
aikidoka on July 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
From my understanding, she was only placed in jail because CA had banned the death penalty. Life in prison should mean what it says, for the rest of your life. She showed no mercy to her victims, and should expect the same from the state.
Think_b4_speaking on July 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Well I hope the families get their wishes and throw her back in.
She doesn’t deserve crap.
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:14 PM
I want the law followed. I see no benefit to the state not to grant her release and a significant benefit if she is. Nor, do I see that she can be denied release if she is eligible. Since, you are neither a taxpayer nor citizen of California, you can stuff it. And contrary to popular belief, the dp is cost effective.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:14 PM
ask Roman Polanski
max1 on July 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM
You’re not naming all of the costs. I’m not trying to argue. I’ve stated a fact.
Taxpayers spend more money on the death penalty than they do life in prison. Don’t believe me, feel free to look it up.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Prison. No sympathy.
mojo on July 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM
You think that changes the debate?
Hardly.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM
If you think your whining that she should not be granted release when she is eligible makes any difference to anyone who has any say in the matter you are delusional.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM
If she were in great health, this question would not even arise.
ss396 on July 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
God gave her a chance. She blew it.
Rot in cell, rot in hell.
macummings on July 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Which is?
I’m going to assume you mean a taxpayer in California, though last I checked, Americans were specifically citizens of specific states. And I know my tax dollars are going to your messed up state whether I like it or not.
That’s not true, but if that’s what you believe, our real benefit would be in killing her.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Actually I have looked it up.
And not adding the cost of appeals or other court and judicial issues, the death penalty is cost effective. You must thinking the whole process… I am thinking long term.
I understand you are a Christian, and that it is God’s mercy. But sometimes there is a line… and this line was broken. This woman deserved to die for what she did. And the State of California, in its assinine thinking, let her sit in prison.
She doesn’t deserve it. The Families don’t deserve it.
As you and I can agree to disagree on this issue. I still value your opinion.
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Prison.
Next question…
D2Boston on July 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Reminder to self: Don’t argue with idiots.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM
I’m not about to argue over California statutes with you, Blake. I haven’t read them, so it would be daft for me to do so. Assuming that you’re correct, and I have no reason to believe that you aren’t, and she is both eligible and meets the requirements then yes, she will be released.
But, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, Ed, I don’t think the question here was “will she be released?” but rather “should she be released?”
On the first, I claim ignorance of the law. On the second, my answer remains a firm “no.”
Misha I on July 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Yes, I am. I don’t know why you’d think otherwise. The appeals come with the death penalty. They can’t really be separated.
Please don’t mistake me. I fully support the death penalty and am glad to live in a state that still accepts it.
My understanding of the Bible agrees with that as well.
This is a comments blog. If you’ve come to believe it’s anything more than that, then you’re the one who is delusional. I’m simply stating an opinion. If you’re trying to change the world, or just Atkins’ world, then go somewhere else.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:25 PM
He’s not in the country right now, he’s on the lam after drugging and sodomizing a 13 year old.
peacenprosperity on July 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Maybe you should think beyond laws sometimes and think of the harm and damage of what the situation became.
You are but a small number…. remember that!
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM
This is ridiculous anyway. Under her initially sentence, she would have been killed in prison anyway.
And what is life in prison if it doesn’t include death?
If California releases her, then they should be more honest and change it to, “most of your life.”
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM
These reports put out about cost are by opponents to the death penalty. They are biases and wrong.
Really? I thought it was the USSC that abolished the death penalty resulting in a commutation to life? And since Calif. didn’t have lwop back then (and I’m not aware of any states that did) the only sentence was life with parole. You can blame the Ex Post Facto Clause of the US Const. for that, too.
But the law says she is eligible.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:28 PM
add
1. punishment
2. deterrence
When the punishment is not set in stone, we change the equation. There is now a variable that may be weighed by the fool deciding to commit murder.
Murder is the un fixable crime
We cannot afford to trivialize murder. Otherwise we may pay the ransom for her relase with the blood of the next victim
What a shame. I hope she has found God and I hope she gets comfort from family and friends, but inside, serving the sentence
We have too many nut cases and it takes very little to establish a comfort level for killing. At least from what I see of this decadent world
entagor on July 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM
And you make no sense. No matter how much thinking you pretend to do, it doesn’t change the fact that the law allows for compassion release and Atkins appears eligible.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Blake
As of 2001, CA inmates sentenced to life without parole were not eligible for “recall of sentence”. Do you have a link to the current law?
Defense Guy on July 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Prison. She escaped her rightful punishment and was allowed to live an additional 35 years, that’s more mercy than she deserved.
Socratease on July 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Blake I think you are being the idiot here.
No one but you wants this woman released. Why for? Do tell?
Sometimes the LAW is WRONG. And you KNOW IT! So get over IT!
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Ahhhh…
No, the SCOTUS did not overturn their death sentences. The SCOTUS struck down all capital punishment as cruel and unusual which had the effect of automatically commuting all death sentences to life in prison.
She should die in her cell and proceed straight to hell.
RC2 on July 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM
It’s not cost effective because people are allowed to stay on death row for decades before sentence is carried out. Hello?
What costs more – keeping someone on death row for 20 years then killing him, or killing him after just a few years (if that long).
Oh, and this murderous person should rot in her cell.
She failed to show mercy when it was within her power to do so, now her turn to feel what her victims did is here.
catmman on July 3, 2008 at 1:32 PM
She should be mocked for asking.
ApartforHaShem on July 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM
I don’t doubt that there are biases, but playing a game of “I’m right; no, I’m right” is stupid and useless.
Either provide proof, or drop it.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Are you under the impression that I disagree with you?
For the record, I don’t.
I’d prefer the death penalty be carried out immediately after sentencing. It would work better as a deterrent (rather than waiting so long that the horrific crime is already forgotten and replaced with children’s books) that way and would cost significantly less money.
Esthier on July 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM
I’m so glad that Ted Bundy was executed. I’m glad that Timothy McVeigh was executed. We are spared a lifetime of sympathetic prison interviews, televised parole hearings, TV movies, and other reminders that these monsters are enjoying the life they so eagerly denied to their victims. I fervently wish that all of the Manson family had been executed too. It sickens me to know that these animals still live.
rockmom on July 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Moonbats of Califonia. And their insanity is spreading…
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Prison. No quarter given in 1969, no quarter given in 2008…
liquidflorian on July 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Let her rot in prison.
GarandFan on July 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM
She should have been dead a long time ago. Since they wouldn’t do that my vote is she be alone and afraid. See ya.
Bogeyfre on July 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Like Ed, I first read Helter Skelter as a teenager…it scared the hell out of me (made the mistake of reading up to about halfway through the book right before bedtime) and it’s actually what changed me from anti- to pro-death penalty. Sharon Tate, Paul Richard Polanski, Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, Steven Parent, Woytek Frykowski, Leno LaBianca and Rosemary LaBianca received no mercy from her, so she has no right to expect any from the state. Sharon’s mother (who is the person who pushed in California for victim-impact statements in parole hearings) is probably turning over in her grave at the thought that anyone could possibly even consider letting her out.
Alia on July 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
That she’s still alive is itself a travesty, and the fact that her death sentence was reduced to life, is starkest testament to the unjust, immoral nature of our judicial system.
I frankly stagger at the fact that any rational being can look at the Manson-Atkins case, and flatly declare they are against capital punishment in all instances.
clark smith on July 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM
And you are an idiot. And you don’t speak for everyone. If you don’t like the law change it. And once again she is eligible under the law and you have yet to give a sound legal argument that she is not. Get over it.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:49 PM
We should withdraw all meds and keep her in prison…
Please print the description of what she did to Sharon Tate.
originalpechanga on July 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM
If we can make exceptions and bend the rules for those who deserve leniency, we can also do likewise for those who clearly do not.
Susan Atkins, you’ve had decades of life and been afforded opportunities for happiness (such as getting married) that you denied your victims for all eternity.
Stay in Jail, do not collect $200, Go straight to and Rot in Hell…
dmh0667 on July 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM
When you’re right, you’re right. +1 to Dave Rywall. Happy to finally have a chance to say that.
joewm315 on July 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about. And since Atkins death sentence was reduced to life and not lwop, it is irrelevant.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Blake
Do you have a link to the law? As I said earlier, I found a link to the 2001 version of the law which says she is not eligible, and so I’d like to see what you are referring to.
Defense Guy on July 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM
In any case, if you have a link to the current law, that would be cool. Apparently my google-fu is weak.
Defense Guy on July 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM
No. You prove it. You’re the proponent. And make sure you check the facts and biases of the sources you provide. Otherwise, you drop it.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Punishment, dude.
Sigh. How in the entire material world did you miss this one?
Punishment.
pabarge on July 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
I guess he doesn’t have a link.
But then I can’t “speak” for the majority! LMFAO
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Let me guess, only one year in the debate club? If you’ve got a sound argument, then give a link or quote something published. Why call names over differences of opinion if you honestly believe (or know) that you are correct?
Rogue Traveler on July 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
She has family and friends?
Throw them in jail with her.
pabarge on July 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Isn’t God the final judge?
If there is any mercy to be had/given, let God decide if he will have mercy on her soul. For her earthly body, no mercy is warranted. While I won’t argue for the death penalty for her, neither will I argue for her release.
If she was given “life”, that means that she was sentenced to die in prison unless paroled. Does it really make a difference how her death comes about? I mean, its going to happen, does the means being cancer make a difference? The only way I would consider an early release would be due to an advanced case of Alzheimer’s.
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Geministorm on July 3, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Blake, you are usually pretty level headed. I am not sure why you think this woman should go free. I asked you why and yet you have not answered it.
Do you have a relative in prison? Are you related to this woman. I don’t understand but then again I really don’t care.
I am talking about the majority here. If you haven’t read the rest of the comments, then it is your oversight, not mine. Maybe you should stop and think about it as how it would feel if you were the relative of these victims. Would you want her removed?
Maybe you have never had to deal with something like this. And I hope you never do.
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Here you go:
click here
pabarge on July 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Blake is right about her sentence though, I got that part wrong. It is life and not life without parole. Likely a mistake on California’s part. It would appear as if she is eligible, but she can be denied if the board feels she still presents a danger to society. She tried to assert she was a political prisoner in 2002 because she had been denied parole so many times, which doesn’t sound all that remorseful to me.
I’ve been wrong before, but I bet they don’t let her out.
Defense Guy on July 3, 2008 at 2:04 PM
People who insult others get insulted back. Rule One of the Debate Club. Oh, and you’re an idiot.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 2:10 PM
… or eligible for compassion release. That is the law so don’t pretend it is not.
You’re too stupid to respond to anymore.
How was it a mistake? You want to explain that? And no, I don’t have a link. A couple of months ago I researched the issue but I don’t remember how I went about it. Sorry.
Blake on July 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM
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