Obama: I’m willing to “refine my policies” on Iraq; Update: “Quagmire,” says ABC; Update: Why now? Update: Obama clarifies, “I intend to end this war”
posted at 4:09 pm on July 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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At long last, the ultimate flip-flop is at hand.
“I’ve always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed,” he said. “And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.”…
“My 16-month timeline, if you examine everything that I’ve said, was always premised on making sure that our troops were safe,” he said. “I said that based on the information that we had received from our commanders that one to two brigades a month could be pulled out safely, from a logistical perspective. My guiding approach continues to be that we’ve got to make sure that our troops are safe and that Iraq is stable.”
He added, “I’m going to continue to gather information to find out whether those conditions still hold.”
I’m not going to rub his face in it. The important thing is to make the right decision and he’s nearer to that now than he’s ever been. Yeah, it’s almost certainly for cynical political reasons, but so long as the progress continues and public opinion improves, those cynical political reasons will continue to steer him right. It’s true, too, what Axelrod said earlier about Obama having consistently left himself some wiggle room on Iraq: As far back as last July he was using the line about being as careful getting out as we were careless getting in, and even his awful proposal from January 2007 to have all combat troops out by March 31, 2008 called for temporarily suspending the withdrawal if the Iraqi government met all 13 of Bush’s benchmarks. None of which is to say that he wasn’t completely wrong about the surge or that he’s not light years less confidence-inspiring than McCain is on this issue, but I don’t want to punish good behavior, especially when so few of the people on his side are even willing to entertain the notion of rethinking our commitment in light of the security gains.
The one truly new and startling element of what he said here is the boldfaced part about Iraqi stability, which I can’t remember ever factoring heavily into his rhetoric. Neither can Michael Crowley of TNR, who’s evidently been researching Obama’s Iraq plan in some detail for an upcoming article. The importance of stability did pop up in last year’s speech on Iraq in Iowa, but mainly in the context of negotiations with Iran and other other countries around it. The strongest language I can find in the speech about using troops to maintain stability comes in an aside about withdrawing from more secure areas before we withdraw from less secure ones. Exit question: How’s he going to explain this to the nutroots?
Update: Heart-ache at DU. “ARE YOU KIDDING???”
Update: The heart-ache spreads. ABC says it’s a game-changer:
His comments Wednesday, saying that he will “continue to refine” his plan to withdraw combat troops from Iraq inside of 16 months, seems likely to leave the campaign on the defensive on this issue for days or weeks…
There will be only one relevant question now out of Obama’s trip now: Do you stand by your plan? Obama is unlikely to give a direct, yes-or-no answer — and that’s where Sen. John McCain and his allies can and will pounce…
Obama’s migration to the political center has been well-documented, and is already a frame McCain is building around his candidacy. But Iraq — this is qualitatively different, an issue that lives on a higher plane, since opposing the war was the rationale for his candidacy in the first place.
They also point to the statement on withdrawal at Obama’s website, which sounds considerably less nuanced than what he said today.
Update: Why would he say this now? What does he gain from it politically? Iraq’s receded as an issue vis-a-vis the economy. The latest poll shows 64% want the next president to withdraw most troops within a few months of taking office, a three percent increase since March. Scroll down at the link to the last poll taken before that and you’ll find 56% want troops out in the next year or two regardless of what it would mean for Iraq’s stability. That is to say, Obama’s now theoretically to the right of most of the public. Why?
Conceivably he’s worried that the progress will continue for the next few months and popular opinion will start to move significantly shortly before Election Day, in which case he’ll be caught flat-footed if he doesn’t get out in front of it. Also conceivably, he figures he’s got McCain beat on enough other issues that he might as well neutralize this one by mimicking him. It’s not like the left is going to stay home and throw away universal health care; most of them, I suspect, will simply shrug this off as a political gambit to be abandoned once Obama’s elected. But like I said last week, it’s hard to see things in Iraq improving so dramatically and public opinion shifting so dynamically that Obama would actually suffer for his dovishness at the polls. If he sticks to his withdrawal line, realistically the worst that can happen is the issue becomes a wash. In which case, why would he do this? Could the Messiah actually be having a genuine change of opinion based on the facts or does election-year demonization not allow that possibility? And if it is genuine, then, er, why doesn’t he just keep it to himself until after Election Day?
Update: A climbdown — or is it?
In a second, quickly-scheduled press availability, the Senator insists his position on Iraq has not changed.
“I intend to end this war… That position has not changed. I have not equivocated on that position. I am not searching for maneuvering room with respect to that position.”
Though he also says:
“I have always reserved the right to do what’s best for America’s national interest… I would be a poor commander-in-chief if I didn’t take facts on the ground into account.”
Update: More clarification: “I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring out troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades per month… This is the same position that I had four months ago.”
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Flapjack is busy these days.
loganthompson on July 3, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Obama may just refine his Iraq policy as easily as Ginsburg, Breyer, Stevens, and Souter would refine the Constitution, and that’s saying something.
RBMN on July 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM
First line in every BO explanation of a flip-flop: “I’ve always said…”
jgapinoy on July 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Clinton has been whispering in her ear. Whispering the things that Bush MADE her understand.
- The Cat
MirCat on July 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM
I think he will avoid it at all costs. This will be interesting to say the least.
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Obama is not going to explain anything. How dare you insist that he do so?
Seriously, how many votes do the netloons represent? Obama can *afford* to suppress that vote a little if he picks up some fraction of the larger pie who are *just now* starting to pay attention.
Obama needed the netloons to ace out Hillary, he needs to throw them all under his bus to ace out McCain.
Mew
acat on July 3, 2008 at 4:13 PM
We were talking about this on Ed’s webshow I sent
this in
Sep 12, 2007
William Amos on July 3, 2008 at 4:14 PM
New blockbuster movie coming out this summer:
Flip Flop II: Son of the Waffler
shick on July 3, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Obama is as consistent on Iraq
as McCain is on immigration reform.
Mexico aside, considering that Obama would welcome FARC into the USA whereas McCain would support the legitimate Columbian President, that makes a distinction between the two on immigration reform.
Considering that McCain supports border security and has no problem using the National Guard to help the Border Patrol, and Obama wants nothing to be done except to dismiss all guards, there is a huge distinction between the two on how to secure the border.
Considering that McCain has been absolutely consistent on Iraq as key to our national security and that Obama has been absolutely consistent in denying Iraq any American support whatsoever, there is a huge distinction between the two, regardless of any lip service Obama tries around July 4th “read my lips, I am refined.”
maverick muse on July 3, 2008 at 4:15 PM
I love Barry Waffles!
lorien1973 on July 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM
If this is Thursday, then somethings got to go under the bus.
RBMN on July 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM
So is Obama willing to commit to unblocking all Congressional roadblocks to refining oil, too?
landlines on July 3, 2008 at 4:17 PM
well, by simply telling them he is going to withdraw immediately…he is the ultimate politician now…And it scares me that much more.
SoCalInfidel on July 3, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Maintain stability?
He was arguing before that preventing genocide in Iraq wasn’t sufficient reason to stay there.
It may or may not be (depending on the costs in lives lost for us).
Forgive me for reaching a bit, Senator, but I’d say genocide creates instability. Y’know, people fleeing the country, mass exodus of citizenry, collapse of a country.
That sort of thing.
SteveMG on July 3, 2008 at 4:19 PM
When Hussein prefaces his remark with, “I’ve always said…” what you should hear is, “I just figured out…”
Akzed on July 3, 2008 at 4:19 PM
“I’ve always said that
the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stabilityOceania is at war with East Asia. That assessment has not changed,”Nosferightu on July 3, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Umm, who’s to say he won’t change his position yet again?
geckomon on July 3, 2008 at 4:20 PM
By Monday he’ll have an ad out saying he singlehandedly ordered the invasion from the Illinois statehouse.
Chuck Schick on July 3, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I’ve been telling my friendly dem apologists that Uhhbama would do exactly this for a year now.
They are crafting the Obama position for 2009 and beyond to be:
We are cleaning up Bush’s mess in Iraq.
and
We are cleaning up Afghanistan because Bush underfunded and understaffed Afghanistan because he was fighting his illegal war in Iraq.
By this time next year, the lemmings will be cheering for the wars they’ve been protesting against for 5 years.
cntrlfrk on July 3, 2008 at 4:21 PM
There are gonna be some mad left winger at the Dem convention in Denver….
Nessuno on July 3, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Btw here is David axelrod on CNN saying Obama always supported Columbia and was never for tlaking to FARC
William Amos on July 3, 2008 at 4:21 PM
How’s he going to explain this to the nutroots?
They, like Gaddafi, allow Obama to say whatever it takes to get elected. They take note of the conservatives’ reaction rather than their own to better advance their turn-out. Nutroots will enjoy Obama’s Egyptian style “Clearance Sale” for victory as Gaddafi advises his fellow Muslims to relax and let it go, KNOWING the end result will be what the bobama nuts want.
maverick muse on July 3, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Crock. Large. Hot. Steaming.
Is saying you love your wife while you are paying the hooker the right thing to do also?
Limerick on July 3, 2008 at 4:22 PM
good analogy!
upinak on July 3, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Hey anti-war liberals he will spit in your faces but he’s still accepting donations..
Chakra Hammer on July 3, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Uh, wrong. The important thing is to keep him out of that office so his changing positions won’t matter.
TheBigOldDog on July 3, 2008 at 4:26 PM
“I’ve always said and let me be clear about this… I love my wife, but I was just having sex with the hooker”
Skywise on July 3, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Snort! Perhaps, this new look may put a sharp drop in those small contributions he’s been enjoying. Or, at least the large ones won’t have to be broken down into small ones any more.
a capella on July 3, 2008 at 4:31 PM
While this is “good news” in the sense that he appears to be closer to accepting victory instead of forcing defeat, we apparently know nothing about this man at all, or what he will do in office. As much as I dislike McCain’s policies, I have a pretty good idea of what I’m getting if he is in office.
VolMagic on July 3, 2008 at 4:32 PM
The man has NO intention of stabilizing Iraq. The Shiites remember Gulf I. They remember the promises of support. The moment we move the first brigade out they’ll start breaking down into factions again. By the time the last one leaves we will have made ten times the terrorists then were there when we crossed the border in the first place.
Don’t think that South Vietnam isn’t a lesson on the duplicity of the American soul. The world learned it well and Obama is about to show the world again that we can’t be trusted. It is a PERFECT way to prevent any futher commitment of American troops ANYWHERE because nobody will want us……AND RIGHTLY SO.
Limerick on July 3, 2008 at 4:32 PM
………. notice the word “after”?
If this A##-Clown get’s into office, we are in real and serious trouble.
Seven Percent Solution on July 3, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Iraq was highly unstable when Obama wanted to pull out immediately. Stability was never a concern before. Now that Iraq IS STABLIZING, we can pull out even sooner, right? Oh no, I guess Bush was correct all along. McCain has so many winning points to make, he can only lose if he steps all over himself.
jerseyman on July 3, 2008 at 4:33 PM
On-my-soap-box on July 3, 2008 at 4:34 PM
I love the that the DUer discuss flip-flopping like they would, say, fundraising. They expect and pretty much demand tactical flipflopping. Quite funny.
DaveS on July 3, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Strike and quote buttons are next to each other but you get the picture!
On-my-soap-box on July 3, 2008 at 4:35 PM
I know this isn’t the main thrust of the purpose of this thread, but this statement really irks me! They are not your children, Senator. They are the greatest fighting force in the world. And the trajectory of the U.S. foreign policy shouldn’t arise out of a desire to “keep them safe.” Armies of the world aren’t built for safe zones, they are built for war; and ours are the best at it, and have been for centuries. As far as the flip flop goes, of course he did, he has to. Call it whatever you want, massage, nuance, revisiting, repackaging, refining, it all means the same thing: he is the same kind of politician as any other politician out there. He will say and do anything to get elected. He is not different. He is not new. He is simply young. But under that youthful look lies the decaying lifeless remains of Liberalism, whose stench is covered up only by the fragrance of gallons of sympathetic press coverage.
Weight of Glory on July 3, 2008 at 4:35 PM
This was inevitable. Given the rapidly changing situation in Iraq it’d be foolish of him to stick with his original position. How changing positions in reaction to changing facts is “flip-flopping” is beyond me though.
Interesting timing though, it’s almost as if he read this article
crr6 on July 3, 2008 at 4:36 PM
I said a LONG time ago that he would do this. Well not him exactly, but the Dem nominee as it was not known at the time who that would be exactly.
Iraq was always the way to win the base and the nomination, but any Dem was going to NOT pull out as it is WON battle. They will want to take credit for the victory, a victory they did everything possible to sabotage.
Voidseeker on July 3, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Yes, hence my point that McCain is light years better than him on this. But he’s still likelier to win than McCain is, so whatever can be done to reorient him towards victory now is all to the good.
Allahpundit on July 3, 2008 at 4:38 PM
“I’m willing to refine my policies on Iraq.”
Translation:
Someone on my staff advised that perhaps since the general consensus is that the surge is working and Petraeus wasn’t lying, I needed to change my position on the Iraq thing. But the second a suicide bomb goes off in Baghdad, I’ll be calling for withdrawal 20 minutes later. Because I’m incapable of sticking to a decision for more than one news cycle.
mjk on July 3, 2008 at 4:38 PM
I would really like to see some pictures of people that believe this yo-yo because they certainly must be unique organisms. The dolt has no principles and lacks the courage of his convictions. He’ll obviously be anything you want him to be and say anything you want him to say. Where in the world did the Democrats find this phony?
rplat on July 3, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Agreed. At least he doesn’t willfully suspend his belief.
AlexB on July 3, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Sorry THIS is the Axelrod video clip I posted the wrong one
Obama has always backed Columbia
William Amos on July 3, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Can we please just let him finish his waffle.
jackmac on July 3, 2008 at 4:40 PM
refine here, refine there.. Pretty soon he’ll embrace drilling in ANWR and for the 1st time in years there will be a push for more all new ‘refineries’. It’s called Change!
poor Nutroots, the price of oil will soon be going down as their brains heatup & liquify upon hearing this news thereby replenishing the world’s finite source of fossil fuels. Everyone wins!
saus on July 3, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Let the popping begin..
saus on July 3, 2008 at 4:43 PM
It had to happen over 4th of July. If you all didn’t see this coming you were blind. No one is paying attention, so it’ll go un-noticed. But if he doesn’t, he just looks stupid.
lorien1973 on July 3, 2008 at 4:44 PM
“Refine my Policies”
Translation: “I’m about to throw the entire Lunatic Left under the bus.”
franksalterego on July 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Good to hear but is this the end of his Triple Lindy or has he started another?
Geronimo on July 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Yeah, but it’ll just be lip service. I mean he still has to get in bed at night with Michelle.
- The Cat
MirCat on July 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM
CNN has it also Obama’s Iraq delemma
William Amos on July 3, 2008 at 4:52 PM
ABC is not calling it a quagmire.
You can do better than that. Iraq is a quagmire to Obama.
WoosterOh on July 3, 2008 at 4:52 PM
This is going to have a significant effect on his fund raising. He’s slowly becoming a younger, blacker McCain.
I love that DU thread!
pedestrian on July 3, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Hasn’t Obama always been pro-Afghanistan/Pakistan involvement? That will probably be the battlefield in 2009+
bnelson44 on July 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM
The Hazards of believing in nothing and wanting the job of POTUS for the power only.
If you believe in nothing you are very easily moved off your previous stances.
EJDolbow on July 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Whadda’ya’ wanna’ bet?
The “Refined Policy” will almost exactly coincide with the Bush/McCain Policy.
For which, he will then take credit.
franksalterego on July 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM
The Iraqis were afraid to trust us in the early stages of this war because we crapped out on promises to support the Shia in Gulf War I. We had to prove we were the strong horse and would stay the course in spite of the donks in Congress. Yeah, sectarianism will run rampant,..and it will probably start soon after Obama wins the election and before we even start withdrawal. Just talking about it will set them off. I hope the Iraqi army is professional enough to not fragment, but doubt it.
a capella on July 3, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Geez, AP, maybe you oughta follow the example of that twerp who quit (didn’t he?) from Mav’s campaign because his widdle heart couldn’t BEAR the thought of running against this pathetic cowardly non-entity from Chicago. You don’t seem to understand politics or governance. The guy’s cowardice and emptiness are direct evidence of his ability to carry out a president’s duties. “Tactical” maneuvering’s not the point at all. You really oughta make a concerted effort to grow beyond the Beltway/NYT mentality when it comes to Iraq – it’s made your Iraq posts mostly unreadable for a long time.
Fortunately, in addition to all his other screaming flaws, this absence of confidence and guts will likely dawn on enough people that he’ll get nowhere near the WH.
As for those excusing Obama’s cowardice and “inartful” malleability, uh, no, it’s obviously not true that “all politicians are like that”. Did Bush give up on Iraq when the Beltway and most of the political class and public (and some bloggers, ahemm) were beclowning themselves with panic and hysteria? Nope. He calmly shifted gears and achieved success. Did Mav join the cowardly hysteria. Nope.
You can lay out the same pattern on many different issues. Bush & Co. have screwed up their share of things and Bush himself has a few bizarre views (rule of law/immigration), and Mav even more so, but there’s been no overnight reversals of basic positions on huge issues. Obama’s Iraq “views” have done two complete 180s since 2003. The 527 ads on this guy should be both the easiest and the most devastating and hilarious take-downs of an amateur lightweight we’ve ever seen.
The difference between Bush or McCain and the Clintons and Obamas is fundamental and huge. There is very little to any poll-driven behavior on important issues by the former, and little BUT that sort of behavior by the latter. Combine that with basically dumb/disastrous instincts on most matters by the latter, and you have a clear choice. Not a great one, maybe, but a clear one.
IceCold on July 3, 2008 at 4:54 PM
From the DU Comments:
Wow. Just wow. The levels at which this is wrong, as well as undercuts the very idea of an Obama presidency which this commenter seems to desire, is staggering. Just don’t question their patriotism/whether they support the troops etc.
Wineaholic on July 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Gotta love it!
bnelson44 on July 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Obama is finding out that running for President, and being President is hard work. His dream as a kid was how he could make the world feel good, not he sees he actually has to make tough choices.
WoosterOh on July 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Barry’s been “refining” a lot of his policies, hasn’t he? Like the ban on guns that he supported before he opposed it; or the right to gay marriage that he opposed before he supported it; or NAFTA, which he opposed before he supported it; or the death penalty that he opposed before he supported it . . . . when is he going to tell us that the surge was his idea all along? The man has more positions than the Kama Sutra.
AZCoyote on July 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Obama is not a flip flopper and he does not drive a bus.
Obama is running a fast moving merry-go-round.
faraway on July 3, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Bambi may have been trying to time this to come out just before a long week-end, but he picked the worst weekend to pull this crap.
What he basically is admitting is he had doubted the ability of the US Military to achieve the goal it had been given. How’s that for a topic for friends and family to chat about under the fireworks?
pedestrian on July 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM
My favorite from the DU comments,
They are going nuts over there.
Where’s my popcorn?
ChrisM on July 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM
I gotta say, flip-flopper is making this race very entertaining.
But to be honest, he’d be a terrible politician not to flipflop on this issue. He knows that he no longer needs the radical left, so, the lightworking Machiavelli that he is, he’s moved on.
jimmy the notable on July 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM
I’ll leave it to stouter souls then mine to swim in those waters.
Limerick on July 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM
My favorite comment from the DU thread:
“…I have faith that Obama will get us out of there as safely and quickly as possible.”
Sums up the Cult of Barry right there.
StoutRepublican on July 3, 2008 at 5:00 PM
A bizarre comment from DU, who thinks we are actively committing crimes in Iraq:
jimmy the notable on July 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Even Drudge put it above the fold.
bnelson44 on July 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM
McCain really needs to start running ads and making speeches calling for Obama to debate himself.
rockmom on July 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Coming-up next, ‘Bambi: I’m willing to “refine my policies” on…uh..uh…Refining & Drilling the Continental US! Oil! Black gold!’
Earlg on July 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
And he choise a holiday weekend to release this tid bit.
bnelson44 on July 3, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Ahhh.. the “modalities of withdrawal”…comes to fruition.
I would love to have the chance to ask BO how many men/women are in a brigade. I would expect a symphony of ?uhhhs?
Nelsa on July 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Not sure I follow you. ABC is calling Obama’s flip-flopping on Iraq a “quagmire.” That’s what I meant in the headline.
Don’t read them, then. I’ll never understand people saying, “Your posts suck,” and yet they continue to read them. If I take anything short of a pollyanna-ish line on Iraq or give Obama even the tiniest bit of credit for possibly adjusting his position based on the facts, I get compared to the New York Times. Perfect.
You want to know the terrible truth here? Most of the Iraq polls of public opinion are still solidly in favor of withdrawal. Obama really doesn’t gain much politically from saying what he said here, especially now that Iraq’s receded as an issue vis-a-vis the economy.
Allahpundit on July 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
From the same guy, a fan of “dude” Lebowski by his picture, who thinks that actively working with the Iraqi government and protecting their citizens from insurgents constitutes a war against Iraq…go figure:
jimmy the notable on July 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Limerick on July 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM
I’ve got my Haz-Mat gear on, and a really big set of tongs to grab comments with.
ChrisM on July 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
posted at 4:09 pm on July 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
At long last, the ultimate flip-flop is at hand.
LOL. What an effing clown.
There is officially not a single reason to vote for Obambi for President, other than if you’re a racist who wants “black President”.
Wait, I forgot – he’s still pro-infanticide. So, there is that. When he comes out pro-life (in 5, 4, 3 …) for the Saddleback Church vote and Rick Warren, it will be complete.
Jaibones on July 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Bad thing is, there may be a push for Hillary, that will piss off the African Americans.
This is getting good.
WoosterOh on July 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
AP, ignore the jokers in the thread.
Buckiteer on July 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
LOL!
CP on July 3, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Do all you Denver people have your fire insurance payed up?
ChrisM on July 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
That is true. That is until the US population starts paying attention again… say around the time he goes to Iraq and Petraeus makes his status report in a few weeks.
bnelson44 on July 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
AP,
When I say the headline, I thought ABC was calling Iraq a quagmire. I could not be the only one. There is no way from that headline people could get that ABC is calling Iraq Obamas quagmire.
No biggie.
WoosterOh on July 3, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Obama could have done this properly. He could have opposed the war by emphasizing the facts on the ground. Then, when he conveniently “changed his mind” for the general, he could say, “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” Unfortunately, Obama worked so hard as portraying Clinton as the Iraq waffler that he didn’t leave himself any plausible deniability as to his hypocrisy.
calbear on July 3, 2008 at 5:12 PM
can’t wait to hear the Obamapologists spin this one…
pseudonominus on July 3, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Obama’s campaign manager David Plouffe said the 16-month pullout was a “rock solid commitment” Of course that depends on how you define “rock solid.”
The one most accurate was Samantha Power who got tossed aside for telling a U.K. audience that Obama’s plan was a “best case scenario.”
seanhackbarth on July 3, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Haha!!! The Messiah’s visage is cracking — he’s all about political gamesmanship, nothing more.
Richard Romano on July 3, 2008 at 5:19 PM
I think the reality that he could actually be in charge, and thus held accountable, is settling in. Its easy to criticize and second guess the guy in charge when you know you don’t have to be responsible for the results of your own lack of leadership and ideas (just ask France). Its quite another thing when you may actually end up being in charge…
The world looks different when you’re sitting in the “big chair”.
taznar on July 3, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Obama was inartful in his debates with Hillary, I guess. His true thoughts were more nuanced than that. And we should recognize these larger truths, knowing the post-partisan candidate that he is. And if you don’t buy that, you’re clearly a racist.
Matticus Finch on July 3, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Still I’m not buying any of it. This man has had a minimum of two decades to ‘find-the-light’. Now we are going to say that suddenly he is a deep thinker? He has been presented with information which his character and intellect can’t ignore? Why he is just a wayward child then. A bit of example was all the poor thing needed. Everything will be just fine now.
BTW, does anyone know what happened to the cookie jar?
Limerick on July 3, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Obama is getting slamed on the “Experience” issue when compared to McCain. Add to that the polls show that the American people do want to win the WOT but are uncertain about Iraq.
Obama has made it a strategy to win as big as he can. He is targetting Red states to win an election landslide. He is confident that the left wont abandon him so he slides right on issues.
God bless Ralph Nader and the GOP should fight to get him on every state ballot.
William Amos on July 3, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Second look at Ron Paul! (For all the nutroots, I mean)
rockmom on July 3, 2008 at 5:35 PM
She got tossed aside for calling Hillary a “monster”.
Buy Danish on July 3, 2008 at 5:37 PM
This was obvious and I am not surprised at the timing. Run far left to get monies behind him for the nomination. Once the he has the nomination when change to the middle to prepare for the election. Black Richard Nixon.
Wade on July 3, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Et Tu Bambi
ronsfi on July 3, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Barack Obama
” This isn’t the me I know”
galtg on July 3, 2008 at 5:48 PM
No, it’s much simpler than that- he knows that if he looks weak on national security matters he’ll lose the election. Had the dreams of the Dems and their MSM allies come true, Iraq would’ve shown no sign of improvement and he could continue his surrender advocacy. But now it makes him look weak.
Once elected he could do whatever he likes as CIC; he’d be under no obligation to stick to whatever he stated in a campaign speech. The fact is that we don’t know what Obama would do; he’s had about 3 different positions since he started his campaign.
I doubt Obama even knows what his actual policy is- but you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be dependant on what is most likely to win votes rather than any kind of principle.
Hollowpoint on July 3, 2008 at 5:49 PM
This is getting ridiculous. Will the Donks do again what they do best? Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Stay tuned…
ronsfi on July 3, 2008 at 5:49 PM
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